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Today in the midst of his retirement I say Top 5; however, once the broohaha settles I'll probably answer Top 10.
Statistically I'd have to put him 2nd or 3rd, because it's really hard to rank someone with 1 Superbowl ring, based solely on statistics, higher than a guy with 3. It's just one statistic that really throws a kink in the way you rank players.
But, if you put it all together (including off field character) I'd rank him tied for 1st with Montana. Both men really made football look "good" while they were making it look exciting. Their characters are impeccable, just like Jordan's. I think we all like watching pro sports played by players with class, and who aren't overly indulged by the media, but I think we all enjoy it even more when those players are bad***es! Favre was one of them!
I was never much of a Packer fan, but I'll be the first to admit football was great, for a time, just being able to see him on one side of the ball and Reggie White on the other!!
I'd have to say, against current retired QBs, Favre's in the top ten, easy, on his numbers, his longevity, and he does have a ring, to go with the career.
There's others, in the party, Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Elway as well....you also have some QB's who were around before the Super Bowl days, like Otto Graham, among others. I've give him somewhere in the top 10....and oh ya, Marino....still can't figure out what went wrong there.
"...and oh ya, Marino....still can't figure out what went wrong there."
That's easy, for the majority of his career they had a defense ranked in the lower half of the league and never had a running game. Here are the running backs that Miami had during Marino's 17 years: J.J. Johnson, Abdul-Jabbar, Parmalee, Higgs, Sammie Smith, Hampton, Stradford, Nathen, Bennett and Franklin. Defenses didn't play to stop the run too often. That's why Marino's numbers were so great IMO. He was almost always playing against defenses geared to stop the pass, but was still extremely effective.
that's where the illustration, regarding a Good QB, a Great QB, and a Super Bowl winner and come out in the wash. Marino, Farve, and Elway all had numbers out the kazoo....literal term.
For good QBs, you could have say, plunkett, Neil Lomax, Jay Harbaugh, Bernie Kosar, even toss in Boomer.
On the greats, Montana, was Super Bowl time, but he also during the season could light it up with Rice. Or Otto Graham, with a number of NFL Championships, in the old days.
Elway, for all his passing ,didn't get over the hump, until he got a running game to take the heat off. You can have the best passers, heck, look at Warren Moon, in the days of the Oilers, it was a passing offense, with little running. They'd hit a team in the playoffs, or just get stupid, and go right into the wall.
Marino, as it showed, illustrated the same problem. Prolific passing ability, but that will take you only so far.
On the other side of the coin, you can also say, you don't need a strong QB, to have a Super Bowl team. Guys like Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, and others, illustrated that painfully....the first two, the system was in place, with Gibbs, just water, and let the QB flourish. Dilfer, for that matter, had a simpler job....don't do anything stupid. The Defense would take care of anything else that came along.
"On the other side of the coin, you can also say, you don't need a strong QB, to have a Super Bowl team.."
This is a very true statement. I have always said that TEAMS, not QB's, win Super Bowls. There are quite a few guys walking around with Super Bowl rings that were average QB's.