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Mitchell Report Biased?
Which of the following best describes your feeling regarding the likelihood that George Mitchell's role as a Director of the Red Sox may have impacted his findings in the report?
Featured by: CriticalFanatic at 12/13/07 4:23PM
| Closed on 01/02/08 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | MLB | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Team Breakout:
26 Fans 
35%a. Report is completely unbiased
19%b. Bad call to choose Mitchell but not biased
35%c. Mitchell subconsciously biased
12%d. Mitchell consciously biased

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#5 | 357 days ago

+5 thumbs upMitchell had the least help on this report from where he needed it most.  The players, the union and the lab that analyzes the tests for MLB.  Without that the report can identify the problem but not make a true statement about the reaches of it.  And I am pretty sure MLB had identified the problem already. 
  
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#1 | 357 days ago

In my view, no person employed by one team can possibly be unbiased when looking into this issue.  I have no doubt that he tried his best, but it really taints my perspective on the report that he was chosen by Selig.  The right thing to do in his position would have been to turn down the role.  The right thing to do in Selig's position, at this point, is to step down.  He's an embarrassment.

 

There is a New York  bias (in the negative direction) because one of the sources is from New York.  This is a really unfair to me.  It is important that this be noted because the report will mistakenly suggest that those not in the report are not guilty.  I think that that is far from the truth (Sosa, Pudge Rodriguez?); the burden of proof and the liability involved with naming someone is very high.  I suspect that at least four times the number of players "outed" exist. 

 

The whole game is tainted and it's time to just admit that.  Who's guilty and who is not is not knowable now or ever.  The report is most pathetic in terms of biases in its conclusion that "we can't fix the past so let's move on."  Brilliant.  Could we have had someone outside of baseball entirely say that, please?  The other sports are likely just as tainted with; it was always unrealistic to think that just olympians and cyclists cheat.

 

There are only three winners in my view:

a.  Jason Giambi - the biggest winner for having the balls to be honest

b.  Jose Canseco - also unfairly villified given that he has spoken the truth, although rightfully villified for benefiting financially from this

c.  Barry Bonds - yes he's a jerk, yes he's a perjurer, but. . . he's just one of hundreds

Mitchell subconsciously biased  
#2 | 357 days ago

+1 thumbs up Total joke w no Sox on it. Every team is stacked with roids and you can't seem to nail one of them, lame.
Mitchell consciously biased  
#3 | 357 days ago

+2 thumbs upI think the whole report is crap and lacks any substance and far too few names.
Mitchell subconsciously biased  
#4 | 357 days ago

+1 thumbs up

Number four on my list of "winners" today: Eric Gagne, who should not stop go, should not collect $100, and should run immediately to the bank to deposit the first installment on his new $10M contract. 

 

Ok, maybe he should run by his lawyer's office first to make sure the contract is airproof.

Mitchell subconsciously biased  
#5 | 357 days ago

+5 thumbs upMitchell had the least help on this report from where he needed it most.  The players, the union and the lab that analyzes the tests for MLB.  Without that the report can identify the problem but not make a true statement about the reaches of it.  And I am pretty sure MLB had identified the problem already. 
#6 | 357 days ago

i just finished reading major portions of the report.  mitchell was not on a "find the players" mission, but rather used several sources to identify who came up through these sources.  he didn't have that many people to work with who he could force to talk.  as such, this is nothing more than a "case study" that steroids are rampant based largely on two people's testimony.  honestly, i find it to be pretty weak for something this long in the making, and it's kind of pathetic to me that one old man had to do all this work.  my clients pay my firm several hundred thousand dollars for consulting engagements. . . a third party consulting firm could have done an exhaustive search for a couple of 3-5 million bucks that would have been more complete and not such a "sample".

 

use steroids and you can get burned.  i understand that.  clemens et al are guilty.  but there are hundreds of nameless, faceless people who got by because their distributor hasn't been found yet.  i won't villify all these guys yet; i think that we're going to get a lot more talking coming out of these people as days go on.  lots of people who have admitted steroids or even been fined by mlb are not even in this report (e.g., caminiti, alex sanchez, juan rincon, palmeiro, matt lawton, felix heredia, to name a few).  Nothing on McGwire.  This is just a random sampling, not anything near an exhaustive list.   Mitchell didn't fail to come up with the whole list, though. .. . that wasn't his goal.  The problem is that now we've got levels of cheaters: it's a huge frigging mess and everyone's guilty until proven innocent at this point.

Mitchell subconsciously biased  
#7 | 357 days ago

KSbengals wrote:
 Total joke w no Sox on it. Every team is stacked with roids and you can't seem to nail one of them, lame.
+4 thumbs upIt has nothing to do with being biased. Mitchell didn't actually do any investigating for it to be biased. He simply took a list of names given to him by two snitches and called it the findings of his "investigation". The two snitches were a Met clubhouse attendant, and a Yankees clubhouse attendant, hence why you have mostly Yankee and Met players and not much else. Heck the Yankee snitch is already saying he made up his list to avoid prosecution.
Report is completely unbiased  
#8 | 357 days ago

Gazzo wrote:
It has nothing to do with being biased. Mitchell didn't actually do any investigating for it to be biased. He simply took a list of names given to him by two snitches and called it the findings of his "investigation". The two snitches were a Met clubhouse attendant, and a Yankees clubhouse attendant, hence why you have mostly Yankee and Met players and not much else. Heck the Yankee snitch is already saying he made up his list to avoid prosecution.

 Good point, I was thinking it would get picked apart because he can't even name people on his own team, when everyone is doing them, but he is just going with the two snitches.

Mitchell consciously biased  
#9 | 357 days ago

KSbengals wrote:

 Good point, I was thinking it would get picked apart because he can't even name people on his own team, when everyone is doing them, but he is just going with the two snitches.

+1 thumbs upYea basically he went with the snitches and threw in Bonds and the Giambis for good measure.
Report is completely unbiased  
#10 | 356 days ago

+2 thumbs upWhat bias?  Where is it?  What would be his motivation?  There are a lot of former and current A's and Yankees in there, but there are a few Red Sox as well.  Most of this report is just hearsay based on what two people said, so you'd have to ask them if they were biased.
Report is completely unbiased  
#11 | 356 days ago

ToughGuy13 wrote:
What bias?  Where is it?  What would be his motivation?  There are a lot of former and current A's and Yankees in there, but there are a few Red Sox as well.  Most of this report is just hearsay based on what two people said, so you'd have to ask them if they were biased.
+1 thumbs up

  The informants gave the names they gave; they came forward to get reduced sentences.  This technique is used to gain information all the time.  Good grief, don't you people watch Law & Order?   Hearsay IS admissable as evidence in many cases~!  As more people become known to the commission because they come forth or are "forced" to come forward they will also give up names in making a deal to ease their burden and many, many more names will come out from other teams.

   A former player, Dan Smith, spoke on local radio and said he thought only 5-10% of active players use enhancing drugs...hmm, 31 came out of this report from two witnesses---from primarily two teams.  That leaves what 28 mores teams....I'd say the use is likely to be more widespread that 5-10%...but that is just based on mathematical progression, not testimony.

   I still say Accountability is the primary issue; from top to bottom in order to protect the sport.  Nuts to the individual player!  If he never did it he now has recourse in the legal system to sue on the basis of libel---he'd make a fortune!!!!  If he's innocent, fight like hell!!!  If not, shut up and pray like the dickens!~

Report is completely unbiased  
#12 | 356 days ago

Michael wrote:

  The informants gave the names they gave; they came forward to get reduced sentences.  This technique is used to gain information all the time.  Good grief, don't you people watch Law & Order?   Hearsay IS admissable as evidence in many cases~!  As more people become known to the commission because they come forth or are "forced" to come forward they will also give up names in making a deal to ease their burden and many, many more names will come out from other teams.

   A former player, Dan Smith, spoke on local radio and said he thought only 5-10% of active players use enhancing drugs...hmm, 31 came out of this report from two witnesses---from primarily two teams.  That leaves what 28 mores teams....I'd say the use is likely to be more widespread that 5-10%...but that is just based on mathematical progression, not testimony.

   I still say Accountability is the primary issue; from top to bottom in order to protect the sport.  Nuts to the individual player!  If he never did it he now has recourse in the legal system to sue on the basis of libel---he'd make a fortune!!!!  If he's innocent, fight like hell!!!  If not, shut up and pray like the dickens!~

Whether the stuff is admissible in court is a non-issue. There is no criminal proceedings right now, so I don't know why you keep bringing that up. However, if there were a criminal proceeding, sure some of the stuff would be admissible, but the cases wouldn't even get past a Grand Jury. They have exactly SQUAT on 90% of these guys.
Report is completely unbiased  
#13 | 355 days ago

+2 thumbs upi agree JASON GIAMBI had the guts to bad some of the others dont
Mitchell subconsciously biased  

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