other organizations aren't trying to 'take a bite' out of UFC, UFC is trying to crush all the other orgs around and so far they've been pretty succesful ever since PRIDE fell

fighters aren't fighting too often..you just dont watch most of them i suspect, they regularly have around 3-4 months at minimum and fighters receive tipends for their training, the fight purse is just the big bonus, all those other "clown-ops" have been there for a long time, most before the UFC, so there not trying to live up to it...they're set

and Urijah does fight for Dana....WEC is part of the UFC it's just a lighter class....the only top fighter Dana doesn't have is Fedor, i suggest you look that name up on wikipedia if you wish to sound knowledgable on the topic of mma

well you've succesfully said multipe errors..half corrected them and now stand trying to defend your original argument when you know it's not true..
WEC fighters won't compete with UFC because than they would have to jump weight...they fight in the weight classes in the WEC because they don't want to do that...WEC is in no way competition with UFC

up there you mentioned some nonsense about grapplers and used chuck liddel as your example...firstly, most of the guys in mma have grappling backgrounds...secondly, chuck liddel didn't grapple because he was a spectacular grappler, he wrestled through highschool and college; you think grappling is a choice? no, if a grappler decides to grapple with you, then your in a grappling match unless you've got the skill to escape (which comes from grappling) secondly you claim to have watched since royce fought ken and aren't sure if those other mma orgs were around longer? i find it impossible to believe considering the popularity of pride in those early days that you purely watched UFC. and you later proved my theory with your assumptions on chuck and the fact that you went to WEC's website and copied something unrelated.

LLC is the same company that owns the UFC bud...the company UFC isn't the financial base...LLC owns both UFC and WEC, both are owned by fertita brothers and Dana white. so no i'm not getting it confused. you just couldn't figure out something very basic in your hour or so of combing the WEC website

I predict that the UFC will be bigger than ever, its boxing that will be in question...which is unfortunate.

yes you prove my point by talking about TUF HW's, those are athletes, for the most part those guys have no experience other than being athletes in their past, no one in their is from jackson's camp, you mean one guy who was at rashad's training camp...meaningless information, if nothing else they do have power though, their cardio is terrible and skill isn't great but they didn't canvase the US to find these guys, they just looked for really big 'athletes' and people whose name would draw viewers, so you only prove my point further; of course they couldv'e found better fighters for TUF 10, but they didn't pick based on skill this time they chose based on fame, size and 'athleticism' just look how that worked out
in this next paragraph i have no idea what your talking about...obviously you dont know this but mccain is actually a senator who once ran to be president..anyway he tried to get UFC shut down and called it human cock fighting..i dont care why your glad about it, and it isn't 'just starting' just because you just started watching
perhaps i spoke wrong in regards to the athlete thing, what i mean is not that being a top athlete is easy, i am making the point that being a fighter is not below being an athlete, if anything, it's way harder and i talked about wrestling because those guys aren't your 'brawlers' as you described them but guys who have already reached superhuman heights of hard training, they had great cardio, power agility or whatever you wanna bring up. also, since you brought it up, about 80% of american fighters in the UFC were all wrestlers so...maybe it doesnt garuntee it but it sure is a lot easier than from anywhere else

yes your the glorious rebel and i the demeaning idiot, obviously i am not going to silence you and since you obviously just scimmed through what i said because most of what you said in your reply had little to nothing to do with what i said but to remind you; this sport didn't suddenly become legitimate is the lesser of the two disagreements and more importantly fighters were never brawlers without cardio, power or agility and now are suddenly becoming your 'top notch athletes'; they always had those things and were never just brawlers and i'm not sure what you mean by top notch athletes but if you mean they are becoming like NFL and NBA, NHL players, they already were in better shape than most of those guys and were more dedicated to the sport and worked harder

if you think those guys would be more succesful in mma just refer back to your argument on TUF 10

your not even reading what i am saying..or i am giving the wrong impression here
either way, my disagreement again was not that the sport is recognized by your average guy as typical NBA, NFL type sports; it was simply with the way you made it seem as though it wasn't really a sport made up by athletes in the beginning, i am not really sure what that long rave was about but thats not what i'm getting at here.

I just BSed my information so...thats probably not accurate.
again you seem to have misread or i mistyped my intent here, I am not saying that only wrestlers do this, and that no one trains mma or whatever thats about, or that for some reason that wouldn't be a good thing, i was saying the early fighters were in fact great athletes and not JUST brawlers, that was my only point, you read to much into it.

ummm...ok, so everyone isn't intimidated? yes you were correct about jackson's thing, i never said i was always right and i appreciate it when i'm corrected like that, i don't know what the rest is about and again all that really isn't pertinent.

again, not trying to stop converts or other fans, i may have called you stupid in a bad mood if you will; however, the only disagreement i had is that you originally implied/wrote that the early fighters were just brawlers and not top notch athletes and that the sport itself has been on the brink of existance until it rapidly grew in popularity (which i never said was a bad thing) when there have always been a large group of real fans of the sport.

You keep bringing up side topics, i don't see why you keep bringing up all this rebel/ who is who and whats what, i know that stuff, dont think that just because I didn't know two guys were Jackson's camp that i know nothing, all your doing is stating common knowledge and attacking me personally- try either agreeing or disagreeing to the point i repeatedly write, not some other nonsense and give some reason why so this isn't just two idiots typing knowledge to see who is best on here, or just keep doing what your doing, it really doesn't make a difference, no one is 'intimidated' on here and your not a martyr or icon, i'm trying to engage you in an actual debate over this, repeatedly ignoring your attempts at personal attacks and you just keep coming with em. so it is apparant to me that your only goal here was to insult me and type as much common knowledge as you could to sound great.

i highly doubt it will focus more on GNP, you wouldn't walk in to any grappling dojo or gym and think, these guys are all equal because they've been training for 4-5 years so they must just cancel each other out for submissions

no, grapplers are not equal, its why grappling is in itself a sport, and these guys train and convert their grappling to mma so a couple punches won't just stop them dead in their tracks, lesnar hasn't faced anyone with great jiu-jitsu skills that would match up against his wrestling in my mind, but look at randy couture, randy did great in their fight because of his wrestling (up until he got knocked unconcious ON THE FEET) and stand-up will always be part of it, no matter what you do, if you can punch and kick a guy then your going to

and i'm not sure what you mean dragon, are you saying in boxing they get KO'd more than in mma by one lucky punch? thats not true, just look at the gloves, you gotta be rocked to be taken down by those things which is why it normally takes consecutive flash KO's to get a real one, in MMA people go out cold all the time
and i don't know what you mean by 'rocky mma edition' but i assume you mean an mma movie, and there are several

Each fighting skill is like Rock, Paper, and Scissor each gives you something different. If you are a MMA fighter and have good Wrestling Skill most are great fighters. I love boxing only downfall with boxing is the good fights are like $60.00 it takes a lot of skill to knock someone like you said but sometimes it can be done by mistake. Like the fight a few years ago dude got knockout when his face was implanted to the mat while the other guy was tapping and they fight ended in a draw. If the guy didn't get knockout he would of won the match But to me if you can make someone quit awake that means more but I guess to a fighter a win is a win. Brock I really don't know if he know anything more then Wrestling he knows a few other things but he is a wrestler. But we have years to see what Brock will be but his size and strength is such an advantage I don't think anyone can match that his hands are 4x biggest hands in MMA. You can also bring up that these guys never really fight Martial Artist like Samurai, Shaolin I don't think anyone in MMA can match someone from these fighting styles they are only trained to do one thing that is Kill. As for Rocky MMA style I know there are MMA movies out but any that give you a Rocky feel I don't see it. I seen Kickboxer all of them, Best of the Best, and a a lot of other movies but none are on the level Rocky its one of the best movies of all time.

Non of those Movies are Rocky Caliber, Karate Kid I really don't think it was that good really. Bruce Lee he is The Godfather of MMA so yeah. I love Enter the Dragon but you didn't even know how Bruce Lee died. The fight im talking about is a mid card fight I don't know the fighters but the fight ended with a double lose both fighters lose the fight. The fight ended when one fight who was place some kind of single arm face implant or in Wrestling Terms DDT I knocked plenty of people out with the same move if its put on right no one can get up maybe the most dangerous move you can do and it will always knock the person out or 9 time out of 10 But the guy he was brought down to the mat and knocked him out cold but the ref didn't know until it was time to award the fight to him. At the same time the other opponent was in some kind of hold causing him to tap the match was awarded to the guy who was face implanted but it was ruled a double lose because he was knocked out cold as well because the other athlete tapped so double lose. As for Brock no matter how you put it the guy is huge and he is strong he picked up a 500+lb man and flipped him over his shoulders that super super strong and his hands are super huge. Only fight I seen him lose was because of a rookie mistake if he didn't get his leg in the position he might of won that fight. I was not saying fighting it was a game like Rock, Paper, and Scissor it was meaning each has its own use and each can be successful and each for that matter can fail at the same time so really I said what you said just different.

since vera's win over frank mir he hasnt won against any top contenders in a looong time

also i wonder if there fight will be at LHW or HW because that should have an impact on it

swick/hardy should be a good fight although im not a big fan of hardy, i wanna see davis get his rematch with hardy

i don't think my confusion of bruce lee's death with that of his sons has any relation to whether or not his movie helped encourage the growth of MMA, the fight was a mid card, there is no such thing as a double lose, atleast not in the UFC or any top org i know of

yes, that was gray maynard's fight, his hands are no bigger than carwins and yes he is pretty stong..
rock, paper scissors implied that one style cancels out another, it doesn't imply what i said at all but i'll take your word on it

i definitely agree that MMA fighters have more intensity and heart than most football players which is why i generally resent this idea that their transforming from brutal brawlers with no cardio to great athletes like NBA and NFL players, when i think fighters have more heart, determination and conditioning than those guys do from the beginning
those games have benches, time outs and much less overall pressure than an MMA match not to mention if one guy is ever slumping he can lean on his team mates, on the mat you can only rely on yourself and there are no breaks or excuses out there