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What is the more superior baseball league since the additon of the American League?
 
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#6 | 72 days ago

 Yawn. We know you created the poll because you already have the answer set in your mind, and you're trolling for people to agree with you.

I won't debate the statistics about the ASG or World Series or even interleague play. We can all see the American League dominates the National League in these categories during what we may call "The Wild Card Era" (the shift to three divisions and a wild card that occurred after the strike ended and the 1995 season began).

For most of history the only criteria to judge on was the All-Star Game-- which was a meaningless exhibition game and is not played like a normal game would be-- and the World Series. Until 1969 the World Series was the only postseason series. After playing 154, then 162 games against teams in your own league, you go on to play at most seven against a team you never played before, except maybe in Spring Training. While odds are the superior team will win the majority of the time, there's just a lot of room for chance when you're deciding the outcome of a 162-game marathon in a four-to-seven-game sprint.

I would also look at the fact that the National League was far more competitive during most of the 20th century. There was parity in the NL; several teams have a real chance at contending for the pennant, whereas in the AL it was usually the Yankees and wow maybe this year another team can overtake the Yankees. It would have been much more interesting and fun being a fan of any given NL team than a fan of any AL team outside the Yankees, knowing that most years the outcome was all but pre-determined.

And there is, of course, the fact that only the National League has continued to play real baseball since 1973.

This is just how Yankees fans like to invoke that smug sense of superiority that their team is all the better because they had to compete in a superior league, which for the majority of the century-plus since both leagues have been playing is simply not true. I see rooting for the Yankees as being like rooting for Google or Microsoft.
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#1 | 73 days ago

 What kind of time frame are you looking at?  Just last year?  Since the AL was founded in 1901?  For specific decades only? 

The question needs to be clarified.
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#2 | 73 days ago

 The only "major" league that was "since the AL was born" was the Federal League in the 1910s. The National League was founded 25 years BEFORE the American League became a Major League. The American Association pre-dated the AL, but became a minor league before the end of the 19th Century. Branch Rickey, General Manager for the St. Louis Cardinals at the time, was the one that conceived the minor league farm system all teams use today. It lead to the significance of the International League, the Pacific Coast League and all of the other Class D, C, B & A leagues of the day. "D" became the Rookie Leagues, "C" became Class A, B - Class AA and the former Class A is now AAA.
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#3 | 72 days ago

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BDV4U wrote:
The only "major" league that was "since the AL was born" was the Federal League in the 1910s. The National League was founded 25 years BEFORE the American League became a Major League. The American Association pre-dated the AL, but became a minor league before the end of the 19th Century. Branch Rickey, General Manager for the St. Louis Cardinals at the time, was the one that conceived the minor league farm system all teams use today. It lead to the significance of the International League, the Pacific Coast League and all of the other Class D, C, B & A leagues of the day. "D" became the Rookie Leagues, "C" became Class A, B - Class AA and the former Class A is now AAA.

 

 

Are you serious, One game (the All-Star Game) or one league series (Inter league play) isn't the proper measuring tool for determining who is better. Try year after, year after, year. If you need more then one one year try 13 years to be exact including a Tie. Not just one game or one series Multiple years. We beat you every single year proof enough. As for Inter-league 6 years straight and the best measuring stick the World Series a Measuring stink 62 to 43. These figures are real figures and they show what League has been better. These numbers don't lie. People say you, can't use Inter-league or All- Star game as a measuring tool. But to me an All-Star Game is the best you have to offer and we kick you NL. best years after year. Means we beat the best players. How can you show how good your league is when your best players can't beat the AL 11 years without a win. If you need to make it simpler, that one decade of beating you with one tie. Though the record is 37-43 closer then 62-43.

As for Inter league play ,we always out win you. We beat you 9 out of 13 time and this is no just the Yankees beating the Met. But every AL team beating your NL team. Look it up, don't come up with something stupid to make you think the NL is better the stats prove that the AL better. So you can think your NL is better and the AL will just keep on beating the NL year after year.

AL even won the first World Series for heaven sake. You keep on bring up before 1901. What is baseball if you only compete with your selfs baseball would stink. But if you read your history books. Baseball was going really really bad in the 1910's to 1920's read it look it up. It was struggling. Until Babe Ruth hit his home runs with the Yankees. The Yankees and baseball exploded and it never stopped. SO if it was not for the AL, baseball might not even be played today thats a fact and its history. Back then there was only one athlete, more popular then Babe Ruth. His name was Gene Tunney he was a boxer. Mr Tunney he was the very first athlete to make have a Million Dollar purse. Though he paid part of the purse to become the first athlete to get One Million Dollars. Look this up this is fact. Stop with your NL being better bull and realize if it was not for the Yankees and the AL your team may not be playing today it might have gone the way of the Women League.

 Plus over the 108-109 year history of the REAL Major League Baseball has been Dominated by the AL in every which way. And this era we just out class you by far. The american  league so much better its not funny look at the records its true. Only decade you can call your own its before the 1910s. After that most of the time the AL won most of the World Series in each of the decades or at least tied them. 

 As the record tells you 62-43 and the Yankees only won 27. So 35 of those World Series were won by non Yankees American League teams which mean the league over all was better then your Non League, it is better then your National League and will always be better then your National League period follow the numbers, stats and read a book or watch with your own eyes  for heaven sake learn whats real rather then guessing.
 

 

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#4 | 72 days ago

 Well since the 'American League was born", which was roughly 30 years after the NL, the AL has won 62 WS Titles and the NL has won 43 WS Titles. I think that "stat" alone determines which "League" has been better!  Even if you subtracted the Yankees from that equation, the NL would only hold an 8 game advantage over the AL in World Series play. I said that part because NL supporters say that if it weren't for the Yankees, the AL would suck year in and year out- which is completely untrue!  So IMHO, Top to Bottom, the AL puts out a better "product" than the NL year after year!
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#5 | 72 days ago

 You two obviously didn't read the question as it was written. The only superior league since 1902 was the Federal League. All of the others either already existed or are minor leagues.

Denounce the National League all you want, but they are not even in this conversation because of the criteria of the question!
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#6 | 72 days ago

 Yawn. We know you created the poll because you already have the answer set in your mind, and you're trolling for people to agree with you.

I won't debate the statistics about the ASG or World Series or even interleague play. We can all see the American League dominates the National League in these categories during what we may call "The Wild Card Era" (the shift to three divisions and a wild card that occurred after the strike ended and the 1995 season began).

For most of history the only criteria to judge on was the All-Star Game-- which was a meaningless exhibition game and is not played like a normal game would be-- and the World Series. Until 1969 the World Series was the only postseason series. After playing 154, then 162 games against teams in your own league, you go on to play at most seven against a team you never played before, except maybe in Spring Training. While odds are the superior team will win the majority of the time, there's just a lot of room for chance when you're deciding the outcome of a 162-game marathon in a four-to-seven-game sprint.

I would also look at the fact that the National League was far more competitive during most of the 20th century. There was parity in the NL; several teams have a real chance at contending for the pennant, whereas in the AL it was usually the Yankees and wow maybe this year another team can overtake the Yankees. It would have been much more interesting and fun being a fan of any given NL team than a fan of any AL team outside the Yankees, knowing that most years the outcome was all but pre-determined.

And there is, of course, the fact that only the National League has continued to play real baseball since 1973.

This is just how Yankees fans like to invoke that smug sense of superiority that their team is all the better because they had to compete in a superior league, which for the majority of the century-plus since both leagues have been playing is simply not true. I see rooting for the Yankees as being like rooting for Google or Microsoft.
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#7 | 72 days ago

 BDV4U wrote:
You two obviously didn't read the question as it was written. The only superior league since 1902 was the Federal League. All of the others either already existed or are minor leagues.

Denounce the National League all you want, but they are not even in this conversation because of the criteria of the question!

SEMANTICS- LOL!        I think you KNOW what was meant by this question because of WHO created this poll!  Nice way to deflect though!      The question should have been worded, "Since the AL started, which League has been more superior- the National or American League"? 

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#8 | 72 days ago

 Even though the question was poorly written, it seems clear what he was asking. And I agree with jasonwrites that it was probaly a Yankees fan trying to lord it over it over the rest of us, like most arrogant NY fans do. Yes, we get it, the Yankees have won 27 championships, but he probaly wasnt even alive for at least 20 of them. 
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#9 | 72 days ago

 Babe Ruth, Napoleon Lajoie, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb,Sam Crawford, Lou Gehrig, Al Simmons, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey,Harry Heilman, Joe Jackson, Jimmy Foxx, Hank Greenberg, Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Al Kaline, Reggie Jackson, Yogi Berra, Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson, Harmon Killebrew, Carl Yastremski, Cal Ripken, Rickey Henderson, Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Lefty Grove, Bob Feller,Whitey Ford, Schoolboy Rowe, Hal Newhowser, Nolan Ryan, Jim Palmer, Roger Clemens...OK, it's the American League...27 World Series from the Yankees, 9 from the A's, 7 from the Red Sox, 4 from the Tigers, 3 from the ChiSox, the Twins, and the Orioles, 2 from the Indians and Blue Jays, and 1 from Royals and Angels. That's 65 World Series titles from the A.L. out of 107 WS ....it's the A.L.
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#10 | 72 days ago

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jasonwrites wrote:
Yawn. We know you created the poll because you already have the answer set in your mind, and you're trolling for people to agree with you.

I won't debate the statistics about the ASG or World Series or even interleague play. We can all see the American League dominates the National League in these categories during what we may call "The Wild Card Era" (the shift to three divisions and a wild card that occurred after the strike ended and the 1995 season began).

For most of history the only criteria to judge on was the All-Star Game-- which was a meaningless exhibition game and is not played like a normal game would be-- and the World Series. Until 1969 the World Series was the only postseason series. After playing 154, then 162 games against teams in your own league, you go on to play at most seven against a team you never played before, except maybe in Spring Training. While odds are the superior team will win the majority of the time, there's just a lot of room for chance when you're deciding the outcome of a 162-game marathon in a four-to-seven-game sprint.

I would also look at the fact that the National League was far more competitive during most of the 20th century. There was parity in the NL; several teams have a real chance at contending for the pennant, whereas in the AL it was usually the Yankees and wow maybe this year another team can overtake the Yankees. It would have been much more interesting and fun being a fan of any given NL team than a fan of any AL team outside the Yankees, knowing that most years the outcome was all but pre-determined.

And there is, of course, the fact that only the National League has continued to play real baseball since 1973.

This is just how Yankees fans like to invoke that smug sense of superiority that their team is all the better because they had to compete in a superior league, which for the majority of the century-plus since both leagues have been playing is simply not true. I see rooting for the Yankees as being like rooting for Google or Microsoft.
 I'm not saying it as Yankee fan. I'm saying as a Yankee fan who team plays in the American League. The fact is you compare who the Yankees have to play compared to who the Phillies have to pay or your Cubs, Rockies, Giants, and Cardinals. Yankees have to play better teams then what your league has to put up with. Top to Bottom the league is build better and here what I'm talking about. Teams in the American League have far far better hitters and  pitching is as good as your league, to me the bull pens are better in the AL. Tell me what teams are better then the Yankees, Tigers, Twins, Red Sox, and Angels in your league tell me. The top 5 teams in the AL are way better then your top 5 teams fact even our top 10 teams are better.. And the Yankees have to deal with them year after years. How many teams are better then even the Ray and Rangers to me even these secondary teams are better then most of the teams you have to deal with including your own teams besides the Phillies. Thats is a fact. Let the Phillies, Cubs, Rockies, Giants, and Cardinals deal with Yankees, Tigers, Twins, Red Sox,  Angels, Ray and Rangers every year. See how your teams would do period. They would have a far worst record then they do know period.
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#11 | 72 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
 I'm not saying it as Yankee fan. I'm saying as a Yankee fan who team plays in the American League. The fact is you compare who the Yankees have to play compared to who the Phillies have to pay or your Cubs, Rockies, Giants, and Cardinals. Yankees have to play better teams then what your league has to put up with. Top to Bottom the league is build better and here what I'm talking about. Teams in the American League have far far better hitters and  pitching is as good as your league, to me the bull pens are better in the AL. Tell me what teams are better then the Yankees, Tigers, Twins, Red Sox, and Angels in your league tell me. The top 5 teams in the AL are way better then your top 5 teams fact even our top 10 teams are better.. And the Yankees have to deal with them year after years. How many teams are better then even the Ray and Rangers to me even these secondary teams are better then most of the teams you have to deal with including your own teams besides the Phillies. Thats is a fact. Let the Phillies, Cubs, Rockies, Giants, and Cardinals deal with Yankees, Tigers, Twins, Red Sox,  Angels, Ray and Rangers every year. See how your teams would do period. They would have a far worst record then they do know period.
OK... 2009...

Top 10 teams.  No bias whatsoever.

1.  Yankees
2.  Phillies
3.  Dodgers
4.  Red Sox
5.  Angels
6.  Cardinals
7.  Rox
8.  Rangers
9.  Giants
10. Braves

In 2009, 4 of the top 10 teams were AL teams.
This is by no means indicative of the Leagues overall or for the 100+ years before 2009.

Not sure why I did this.  I'm sure you will tell me I am full of crap for putting the Phillies and Dodgers ahead of the Red Sox and Angels.
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#12 | 71 days ago

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Red Sox are better then the Dodgers lol. Angels are better then the Dodgers. Get a clue  Twins are better then the Dodgers, Tigers are better then the Dodgers.  Forget about the list to me the Red Sox are hands down the second best team and the Angels are the Third best team in baseball. Some one Twins are better then the Cardinals that is stupid. You can throw that list out the window. The twins are not on that list they made the playoffs. Your gonna put your Giants over the Twins is just stupid. I can say you really don't watch baseball.
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#13 | 71 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
Red Sox are better then the Dodgers lol. Angels are better then the Dodgers. Get a clue  Twins are better then the Dodgers, Tigers are better then the Dodgers.  Forget about the list to me the Red Sox are hands down the second best team and the Angels are the Third best team in baseball. Some one Twins are better then the Cardinals that is stupid. You can throw that list out the window. The twins are not on that list they made the playoffs. Your gonna put your Giants over the Twins is just stupid. I can say you really don't watch baseball.
If that was the case, how come the Dodgers had a better record? LOL
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#14 | 71 days ago

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If that was the case, how come the Dodgers had a better record? LOL
Look thats the AL and NL. Fact is people know the Yankees are the best team guess what. The Red Sox and Yankees went 9 and 9. They can match the Yankees for wins of course they have to be the second best team in baseball. Angels also. Fact ML31 put the Giants over the Twins. I don't see any Tigers is just stupid.You can't go on win loss but were they play. Does Dodgers have a better Record win/loss why yes. But are they really the third best team in Baseball are you kidding me. No way and Joe Torre is my Favorite Manager.
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#15 | 71 days ago

 I bow to your bias and irrelevance. I don't know what I was thinking - talking logically like I did! Can you ever forgive me?
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#16 | 71 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
Red Sox are better then the Dodgers lol. Angels are better then the Dodgers. Get a clue  Twins are better then the Dodgers, Tigers are better then the Dodgers.  Forget about the list to me the Red Sox are hands down the second best team and the Angels are the Third best team in baseball. Some one Twins are better then the Cardinals that is stupid. You can throw that list out the window. The twins are not on that list they made the playoffs. Your gonna put your Giants over the Twins is just stupid. I can say you really don't watch baseball.
That's right.  The Dodgers were the 3rd best team in the Majors last year.  This is completely unbiased as the "Doyers" are my most hated team in the Majors.  They are my rival and I hate that they are the 3rd best team.  The Twins are the 15th best team in the Majors.  They are simply not that good.  Yes, they won their division, but they won the worst division in the Majors.  I actually think Detroit is the superior team.  In spite of their overall wins and losses.  That is my evaluation.  Deal with it.

Let me guess...  Here is Dragon's top 10 in the Majors...

1.  Yankees
2.  Red Sox
3.  Angels
4.  Twins
5.  Tigers
6.  Rangers
7.  Mariners
8.  Rays
9.  A's
10. Jays

I'm sure you rank the Phils at #15.  Maybe 14.
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#17 | 71 days ago

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ML31 wrote:
That's right.  The Dodgers were the 3rd best team in the Majors last year.  This is completely unbiased as the "Doyers" are my most hated team in the Majors.  They are my rival and I hate that they are the 3rd best team.  The Twins are the 15th best team in the Majors.  They are simply not that good.  Yes, they won their division, but they won the worst division in the Majors.  I actually think Detroit is the superior team.  In spite of their overall wins and losses.  That is my evaluation.  Deal with it.

Let me guess...  Here is Dragon's top 10 in the Majors...

1.  Yankees
2.  Red Sox
3.  Angels
4.  Twins
5.  Tigers
6.  Rangers
7.  Mariners
8.  Rays
9.  A's
10. Jays

I'm sure you rank the Phils at #15.  Maybe 14.

 

The best teams are the teams that can score the runs right? “Exactly.” As for batting average the Giants are 25th the Angels are 1st , the Yankees are 2nd , the Twins are 3rd , Red Soc 4th and the Dodgers are 5th. Cardinals not even the Rockies made it even in the top 10.

The Giants finished dead last in OBP how can you be in the top 10 of anything if your offense stinks in On Base Percentage. DEAD DEAD DEAD Last in On Base Percentage. To three teams with the best On Base Percentage are the Yankees, the Red Sox again the best team in Runs scored are Yankees, Angels, Red Sox then Phillies. Your Giants finished 26 in the league. Rockies 6th , Dodgers 11th, and the Cardinals are 18th..


 

The American league has so many more power hitters its crazy, they are better extra base hitters. Offensively the American league is so much better its not ever close. People talk about you have to hit a pitcher 8th. But an American League Line up 1-7 is so much better then an National League lineup 1-7 its not funny. They will spank what ever pitching the National League has why we always win in the inter league play year after year.

Yankees I think scored like 9 runs on the National League best pitcher in a game. We ripped Santana apart.

Fact is if the Yankee played in the National league. Even the Red Sox, Angels, even teams like Tigers, Twins and some other teams. They would out hit you so bad if they played in the National League its not funny. Yankees had at some point a 9th hitter, Get this 9th hitter who was hitting over 300 and had over 20 home runs. No National league line up can do that. And other American league line up are just as deep. Angels have a deep line up. Red Sox do. To me only team that has a line up on those teams levels in the National League are the Phillies and thats it, Why they made the World Series two times in a raw. Not the Rockies not the Cardinals, Not the Giant, and not even the Dodger. they can't even hit there way out of a wet paper bag.

That is why the American league is better because I think our pitching is equal but our hitting is not. Your pitching numbers are better. Why because your league has such weak lineups its stupid. American League teams will just smack the National league to death. Try to twist that around. What I say about our offense is so true just look at the numbers They are not ever close. I didn't say anything about our Bull Pen. American League Bull Pens are so much better its not funny.
 

The overall offensive numbers are Just better and that including our bad teams. Your going to say your pitchers have to hit. I don't think it would matter. American League teams are so powerful it isn't funny. The best teams in the AL will just destroy any kind of pitching you have. The American league pitchers will most likely just fool around with your easy line up like they always have What the National League can't even come close to which is why American League is far. People the American League a weak league the fact is the National League is the real weak league case closed.

 

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#18 | 71 days ago

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ML31 wrote:
That's right.  The Dodgers were the 3rd best team in the Majors last year.  This is completely unbiased as the "Doyers" are my most hated team in the Majors.  They are my rival and I hate that they are the 3rd best team.  The Twins are the 15th best team in the Majors.  They are simply not that good.  Yes, they won their division, but they won the worst division in the Majors.  I actually think Detroit is the superior team.  In spite of their overall wins and losses.  That is my evaluation.  Deal with it.

Let me guess...  Here is Dragon's top 10 in the Majors...

1.  Yankees
2.  Red Sox
3.  Angels
4.  Twins
5.  Tigers
6.  Rangers
7.  Mariners
8.  Rays
9.  A's
10. Jays

I'm sure you rank the Phils at #15.  Maybe 14.
American League Hitting Run Hits Base on Balls Strikeouts
Los Angeles Angels 883 1604 547 1054
New York Yankees 915 1604 663 1014
Minnesota Twins 817 1539 585 1021
Boston Red Sox 872 1495 659 1120
Baltimore Orioles 741 1508 517 1013
Toronto Blue Jays 798 1516 548 1028
Cleveland Indians 773 1468 582 1211
Tampa Bay Rays 803 1434 642 1229
Oakland Athletics 759 1464 527 1046
Detroit Tigers 743 1443 540 1114
Texas Rangers 784 1436 472 1253
Kansas City Royals 686 1432 457 1091
Seattle Mariners 640 1430 421 1093
Chicago White Sox 724 1410 534 1022
Total Numbers 10938 20783 7694 15309
Total Numbers Per Teams 781 1485 550 1094
National League Hitting Run Hits Base on Balls Strikeouts
Los Angeles Dodgers 780 1511 607 1068
New York Mets 671 1472 526 928
Florida Marlins 772 1493 568 1226
St. Louis Cardinals 730 1436 528 1041
Atlanta Braves 735 1459 602 1064
Milwaukee Brewers 785 1447 610 1231
Colorado Rockies 804 1408 660 1277
Houston Astros 643 1415 448 990
Washington Nationals 710 1416 617 1208
Philadelphia Phillies 820 1439 589 1155
San Francisco Giants 657 1411 392 1158
Chicago Cubs 707 1398 592 1185
Arizona Diamondbacks 720 1408 571 1298
Pittsburgh Pirates 636 1364 499 1142
Cincinnati Reds 673 1349 531 1129
San Diego Padres 638 1315 586 1182
Total Numbers 11481 22741 8926 18282
Total Numbers Per Teams 718 1421 558 1143
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American League Hitting 2 2 Base Hits 3 Base Hit Stolen Bases Caught Stealing
Los Angeles Angels 293 33 148 63
New York Yankees 325 21 111 28
Minnesota Twins 271 40 85 32
Boston Red Sox 335 25 126 39
Baltimore Orioles 307 19 76 37
Toronto Blue Jays 339 13 73 23
Cleveland Indians 314 28 84 31
Tampa Bay Rays 297 36 194 61
Oakland Athletics 307 21 133 48
Detroit Tigers 245 35 72 33
Texas Rangers 296 27 149 36
Kansas City Royals 276 51 88 29
Seattle Mariners 280 19 89 33
Chicago White Sox 246 20 113 49
Total Numbers 4131 388 1541 542
Total Numbers Per Teams 295 28 110 39
National League Hitting 2 2 Base Hits 3 Base Hit Stolen Bases Caught Stealing
Los Angeles Dodgers 278 39 116 48
New York Mets 295 49 122 44
Florida Marlins 296 25 75 35
St. Louis Cardinals 294 29 75 31
Atlanta Braves 300 20 58 26
Milwaukee Brewers 281 37 68 37
Colorado Rockies 300 50 106 55
Houston Astros 270 32 113 44
Washington Nationals 271 38 73 40
Philadelphia Phillies 312 35 119 28
San Francisco Giants 275 43 78 28
Chicago Cubs 293 29 56 34
Arizona Diamondbacks 307 45 102 40
Pittsburgh Pirates 289 34 90 32
Cincinnati Reds 280 25 96 40
San Diego Padres 265 31 82 29
Total Numbers 4606 561 1429 591
Total Numbers Per Teams 288 35 89 37
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#20 | 71 days ago

  
American League Hitting 3 Home Runs Runs Batted in Total Bases Average
Los Angeles Angels 173 841 2482 0.285
New York Yankees 244 881 2703 0.283
Minnesota Twins 172 770 2406 0.274
Boston Red Sox 212 822 2516 0.270
Baltimore Orioles 160 708 2333 0.268
Toronto Blue Jays 209 766 2508 0.266
Cleveland Indians 161 730 2321 0.264
Tampa Bay Rays 199 765 2400 0.263
Oakland Athletics 135 723 2218 0.262
Detroit Tigers 183 718 2307 0.260
Texas Rangers 224 748 2458 0.260
Kansas City Royals 144 657 2242 0.259
Seattle Mariners 160 613 2228 0.258
Chicago White Sox 184 695 2248 0.258
Total Numbers 2560 10437 33370 3.73
Total Numbers Per Teams 183 746 2384 0.266
National League Hitting 3 Home Runs Runs Batted in Total Bases Average
Los Angeles Dodgers 145 739 2302 0.270
New York Mets 95 631 2150 0.270
Florida Marlins 159 727 2316 0.268
St. Louis Cardinals 160 694 2268 0.263
Atlanta Braves 149 700 2246 0.263
Milwaukee Brewers 182 757 2348 0.263
Colorado Rockies 190 760 2378 0.261
Houston Astros 142 616 2175 0.260
Washington Nationals 156 685 2231 0.258
Philadelphia Phillies 224 788 2493 0.258
San Francisco Giants 122 612 2138 0.257
Chicago Cubs 161 678 2232 0.255
Arizona Diamondbacks 173 686 2324 0.253
Pittsburgh Pirates 125 612 2096 0.252
Cincinnati Reds 158 637 2153 0.247
San Diego Padres 141 605 2065 0.242
Total Numbers 2482 10927 35915 4.14
Total Numbers Per Teams 155 683 2245 0.259
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#21 | 71 days ago
American League Hitting 4 On Base% Slugging %
Los Angeles Angels 0.350 0.441
New York Yankees 0.362 0.478
Minnesota Twins 0.345 0.429
Boston Red Sox 0.352 0.454
Baltimore Orioles 0.332 0.415
Toronto Blue Jays 0.333 0.440
Cleveland Indians 0.339 0.417
Tampa Bay Rays 0.343 0.439
Oakland Athletics 0.328 0.397
Detroit Tigers 0.331 0.416
Texas Rangers 0.320 0.445
Kansas City Royals 0.318 0.405
Seattle Mariners 0.314 0.402
Chicago White Sox 0.329 0.411
Total Numbers 4.7 5.99
Total Numbers Per Teams 0.335 0.428
National League Hitting 4 On Base% Slugging %
Los Angeles Dodgers 0.346 0.412
New York Mets 0.335 0.394
Florida Marlins 0.340 0.416
St. Louis Cardinals 0.332 0.415
Atlanta Braves 0.339 0.405
Milwaukee Brewers 0.341 0.426
Colorado Rockies 0.343 0.441
Houston Astros 0.319 0.400
Washington Nationals 0.337 0.406
Philadelphia Phillies 0.334 0.447
San Francisco Giants 0.309 0.389
Chicago Cubs 0.332 0.407
Arizona Diamondbacks 0.324 0.418
Pittsburgh Pirates 0.318 0.387
Cincinnati Reds 0.318 0.394
San Diego Padres 0.321 0.381
Total Numbers 5.29 6.54
Total Numbers Per Teams 0.331 0.409
 
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#22 | 71 days ago

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That's right.  The Dodgers were the 3rd best team in the Majors last year.  This is completely unbiased as the "Doyers" are my most hated team in the Majors.  They are my rival and I hate that they are the 3rd best team.  The Twins are the 15th best team in the Majors.  They are simply not that good.  Yes, they won their division, but they won the worst division in the Majors.  I actually think Detroit is the superior team.  In spite of their overall wins and losses.  That is my evaluation.  Deal with it.

Let me guess...  Here is Dragon's top 10 in the Majors...

1.  Yankees
2.  Red Sox
3.  Angels
4.  Twins
5.  Tigers
6.  Rangers
7.  Mariners
8.  Rays
9.  A's
10. Jays

I'm sure you rank the Phils at #15.  Maybe 14.
To think im snubbing your Question

  1. Yankees

  2. Phillies They are to me the second best team in baseball

  3. Red Sox To me they are just a step below the Yankees but not as good as Phillie

  4. Angels To me they are just a step below the Red Sox get this they have more wins then the Dodgers

  5. Dodgers They are maybe the second best team in the NL but they are not anywhere near how good the Angels and Red Sox are.

  6. Tigers They are better then the Twins

  7. Twin. The power alone make them better then the Rockys they have better hitting stats also

  8. Rockies

  9. St. Louis Cardinals

  10. Texas Rangers

Thats my top 10. I can't put your ahead of the Tigers or Twins they can hit you Giants can't hit. Tigers almost made the playoffs. Braves also to me they are not good enough to be in the top 10

 
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#23 | 71 days ago

 You're talking offensive numbers? YOU HAVE THE FREAKIN' DH!!!!!

That's like comparing the New Orleans Saints against a college team! Boise State has racked up more points & yards in 11 games, but if they played head-to-head, an NFL team would get killed. Even the Browns would have a chance to win playing in the SEC.

Have the AL play REAL baseball, then talk to me about OFFENSE!
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#24 | 71 days ago

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The best teams are the teams that can score the runs right? “Exactly.” As for batting average the Giants are 25th the Angels are 1st , the Yankees are 2nd , the Twins are 3rd , Red Soc 4th and the Dodgers are 5th. Cardinals not even the Rockies made it even in the top 10.

The Giants finished dead last in OBP how can you be in the top 10 of anything if your offense stinks in On Base Percentage. DEAD DEAD DEAD Last in On Base Percentage. To three teams with the best On Base Percentage are the Yankees, the Red Sox again the best team in Runs scored are Yankees, Angels, Red Sox then Phillies. Your Giants finished 26 in the league. Rockies 6th , Dodgers 11th, and the Cardinals are 18th..


 

The American league has so many more power hitters its crazy, they are better extra base hitters. Offensively the American league is so much better its not ever close. People talk about you have to hit a pitcher 8th. But an American League Line up 1-7 is so much better then an National League lineup 1-7 its not funny. They will spank what ever pitching the National League has why we always win in the inter league play year after year.

Yankees I think scored like 9 runs on the National League best pitcher in a game. We ripped Santana apart.

Fact is if the Yankee played in the National league. Even the Red Sox, Angels, even teams like Tigers, Twins and some other teams. They would out hit you so bad if they played in the National League its not funny. Yankees had at some point a 9th hitter, Get this 9th hitter who was hitting over 300 and had over 20 home runs. No National league line up can do that. And other American league line up are just as deep. Angels have a deep line up. Red Sox do. To me only team that has a line up on those teams levels in the National League are the Phillies and thats it, Why they made the World Series two times in a raw. Not the Rockies not the Cardinals, Not the Giant, and not even the Dodger. they can't even hit there way out of a wet paper bag.

That is why the American league is better because I think our pitching is equal but our hitting is not. Your pitching numbers are better. Why because your league has such weak lineups its stupid. American League teams will just smack the National league to death. Try to twist that around. What I say about our offense is so true just look at the numbers They are not ever close. I didn't say anything about our Bull Pen. American League Bull Pens are so much better its not funny.
 

The overall offensive numbers are Just better and that including our bad teams. Your going to say your pitchers have to hit. I don't think it would matter. American League teams are so powerful it isn't funny. The best teams in the AL will just destroy any kind of pitching you have. The American league pitchers will most likely just fool around with your easy line up like they always have What the National League can't even come close to which is why American League is far. People the American League a weak league the fact is the National League is the real weak league case closed.

 

I wasn't ranking teams based only on offense, or OPB or extra base hits.  I was ranking them overall.  If I was ranking them by offense, the Giants would likely be on the very bottom of the list.   The fact that the Giants are the 9th best team in the league is a testimant to their pitching.  Which is right up there among the best pitching teams in all of MLB.  If you deny that then there is no other way to call it...  You are a fool when it come to MLB.

PS...  Santana is hardly the best pitcher in the NL.  In the Cy Young balloting, he didn't even receive ONE vote.  One would think that the best pitcher in the League would get at least 1 third place vote.
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#25 | 71 days ago

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To think im snubbing your Question

  1. Yankees

  2. Phillies They are to me the second best team in baseball

  3. Red Sox To me they are just a step below the Yankees but not as good as Phillie

  4. Angels To me they are just a step below the Red Sox get this they have more wins then the Dodgers

  5. Dodgers They are maybe the second best team in the NL but they are not anywhere near how good the Angels and Red Sox are.

  6. Tigers They are better then the Twins

  7. Twin. The power alone make them better then the Rockys they have better hitting stats also

  8. Rockies

  9. St. Louis Cardinals

  10. Texas Rangers

Thats my top 10. I can't put your ahead of the Tigers or Twins they can hit you Giants can't hit. Tigers almost made the playoffs. Braves also to me they are not good enough to be in the top 10

 
Wow.  I stand corrected.  You put 4 NL teams in your top 10.  I'm shocked!

I agree with you the Tigers were a better team than the Twins.  But saying they are both better than the Giants only because of offense is pretty narrow thinking.  The Giants pitching staff is so vastly superior to both teams, it trumps their offense.  The Giants have no hitting, yes, but as bad as it is, it can score a couple of runs off the inferior pitching those team put up.  And with the Giants superior pitching, they would win more than they lose.  The Giants won't win the 8-6 games.  But they will win the 3-1 games.
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#26 | 71 days ago

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You're talking offensive numbers? YOU HAVE THE FREAKIN' DH!!!!!

That's like comparing the New Orleans Saints against a college team! Boise State has racked up more points & yards in 11 games, but if they played head-to-head, an NFL team would get killed. Even the Browns would have a chance to win playing in the SEC.

Have the AL play REAL baseball, then talk to me about OFFENSE!
Not only is he discounting the DH, but he is completely ignoring pitching!  Which I find completely laughable.
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#27 | 71 days ago

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Not only is he discounting the DH, but he is completely ignoring pitching!  Which I find completely laughable.
Your Laughable dude. Yes we have a DH look the Yankees had no DH in Phillie we still won more games there. You watch the World Series. DH, Pitcher blah blah blah fact is that American League teams have better deeper line ups its a fact you do you even watch American League Games. I bet not. Your Laughable  
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#28 | 71 days ago

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I wasn't ranking teams based only on offense, or OPB or extra base hits.  I was ranking them overall.  If I was ranking them by offense, the Giants would likely be on the very bottom of the list.   The fact that the Giants are the 9th best team in the league is a testimant to their pitching.  Which is right up there among the best pitching teams in all of MLB.  If you deny that then there is no other way to call it...  You are a fool when it come to MLB.

PS...  Santana is hardly the best pitcher in the NL.  In the Cy Young balloting, he didn't even receive ONE vote.  One would think that the best pitcher in the League would get at least 1 third place vote.
They can't hit Giants can't hit. Which doesn't make a complete team. Santana is the best player he has won them in the AL. Its a joke your guy got it this years shows the award a joke. 9th best team that can't hit 
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#29 | 71 days ago

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They can't hit Giants can't hit. Which doesn't make a complete team. Santana is the best player he has won them in the AL. Its a joke your guy got it this years shows the award a joke. 9th best team that can't hit 
So, a team that can't hit can't win.  Interesting.  I wonder how the Giants won 86 games then.

Weird.
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#30 | 71 days ago

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So, a team that can't hit can't win.  Interesting.  I wonder how the Giants won 86 games then.

Weird.
I know a lot of teams that can Pitch but they don't hit. You don't hit its a fact is the reason why you didn't make the playoff. Baseball isn't just pitching look the Royals has a Cy Young winner does it mean anything. It would of ment more if they hit for the poor guy. You need both hitting and pitching in my book you don't have hitting so I can't put the Giants in the top 10 soon as they can hit they can be in top 10. This is my personal book
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#31 | 71 days ago

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So, a team that can't hit can't win.  Interesting.  I wonder how the Giants won 86 games then.

Weird.
Only way a not hitting team can win a World Series is to have 5 Aces. No teams have 5 aces. Most teams have a fair to bad back end why you need hitting to support the back end 
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#32 | 71 days ago

 In my honest opinion, the ONLY way to compare the AL against the NL is in head to head competition or "Interleague Play!              Interleague play was introduced in 1997 to pit the Al -vs- NL in head to head battles
Wins by League:
 YEAR  AL  NL
1997 97 117
1998 114 110
1999 116 135
2000 136 115
2001 132 120
2002 123 129
2003 115 137
2004 126 125
2005 136 116
2006 154 98
2007 137 115
2008 149 103
2009 137 114
Totals 1,673 1,534
: So here are the complete OVERALL records year by year since 1997- It's VERY OBVIOUS as to which "League" has been the more DOMINANT League!!!          
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#33 | 71 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
I know a lot of teams that can Pitch but they don't hit. You don't hit its a fact is the reason why you didn't make the playoff. Baseball isn't just pitching look the Royals has a Cy Young winner does it mean anything. It would of ment more if they hit for the poor guy. You need both hitting and pitching in my book you don't have hitting so I can't put the Giants in the top 10 soon as they can hit they can be in top 10. This is my personal book
I see.

So, when you rate the teams, you aren't ranking the teams, but rather their offense.

Now it makes more sense.

Still pretty short sighted but to each his own.
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#34 | 71 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
Only way a not hitting team can win a World Series is to have 5 Aces. No teams have 5 aces. Most teams have a fair to bad back end why you need hitting to support the back end 
The Yankees could buy 5 aces if they want.  Of course, they won with only three so I guess they don't need to.
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#35 | 71 days ago

 vindog wrote:
In my honest opinion, the ONLY way to compare the AL against the NL is in head to head competition or "Interleague Play!              Interleague play was introduced in 1997 to pit the Al -vs- NL in head to head battles
Wins by League:
 YEAR  AL  NL
1997 97 117
1998 114 110
1999 116 135
2000 136 115
2001 132 120
2002 123 129
2003 115 137
2004 126 125
2005 136 116
2006 154 98
2007 137 115
2008 149 103
2009 137 114
Totals 1,673 1,534
: So here are the complete OVERALL records year by year since 1997- It's VERY OBVIOUS as to which "League" has been the more DOMINANT League!!!          
Except...  IL play is hardly complete.  It is only a few teams and some teams play the same team 6 times every year.  The only way IL play could tell you something is if all teams played all other teams.  They don't.  Some play only 4.  Not a very strong sample.  Then throw in the fact that teams change yearly as does team strength.  And you see the folly of only using those results.
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#36 | 71 days ago

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ML31 wrote:
I see.

So, when you rate the teams, you aren't ranking the teams, but rather their offense.

Now it makes more sense.

Still pretty short sighted but to each his own.
Keys to a World Series. As you can see most of the teams that win have both good hitting and good pitching.You need both. Why your Giants never make the playoffs. You Giants aren't a complete package which is why they will never see a World Series until you get sluggers. Twins made the Playoff you didn't. Tigers Almost made the playoffs.

You need Pitching and Hitting. You have no kinda hitting so really. Until you get hitting you really can't win really fact. You can have all the good pitching you want but if the pitcher can't get runs scored for him why bother
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#37 | 71 days ago

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Except...  IL play is hardly complete.  It is only a few teams and some teams play the same team 6 times every year.  The only way IL play could tell you something is if all teams played all other teams.  They don't.  Some play only 4.  Not a very strong sample.  Then throw in the fact that teams change yearly as does team strength.  And you see the folly of only using those results.
OK smart guy! Since the FACTS of IL Play wasn't enough to satisfy this argument- then HOW do YOU suggest we compare the AL against the NL!   This is ridiculous to say the least! The ONLY way to compare one League against the other is by HEAD TO HEAD games- that is a FACT!  It just seems like you REFUSE to accept the FACTS even when they are right in your face! You ALWAYS find some way to spin the FACTS to achieve the desired result that YOU WANT!  Are you sure you weren't working in the Bush Administration? 
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#38 | 71 days ago

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The Yankees could buy 5 aces if they want.  Of course, they won with only three so I guess they don't need to.
Your calling AJ and a 37 year old man an Ace are you kidding to me we really just have one Ace 
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#39 | 71 days ago

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Not only is he discounting the DH, but he is completely ignoring pitching!  Which I find completely laughable.
Like I asked BDV4U how would the Yankees do in the NL. You out of your own mouth said they are the best team in Baseball. How many wins could they have a rough guess if the Yankees play in the NL by Non DH rules tell me. I bet they can still make the World Series.
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#40 | 71 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
Keys to a World Series. As you can see most of the teams that win have both good hitting and good pitching.You need both. Why your Giants never make the playoffs. You Giants aren't a complete package which is why they will never see a World Series until you get sluggers. Twins made the Playoff you didn't. Tigers Almost made the playoffs.

You need Pitching and Hitting. You have no kinda hitting so really. Until you get hitting you really can't win really fact. You can have all the good pitching you want but if the pitcher can't get runs scored for him why bother
Duh...  But that doesn't mean that a team with little to no offense and a SUPER pitching staff can't be among the top 10 teams.  As proved by the 2009 season.  The Giants failed to win the west because of a lack of offense.  But are still the 9th best team out there.

The Twins were OK, but slightly above mediocre.  Their pitching was sub par, as was the Tigers.  And their competition in the AL Central was the worst grouping of teams in the Majors.  Hence, their low rating in my book.

You don't like that.  Sue me.  My assessment is superior to yours because I include pitching and defense and a host of other factors you fail to consider.
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#41 | 71 days ago

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OK smart guy! Since the FACTS of IL Play wasn't enough to satisfy this argument- then HOW do YOU suggest we compare the AL against the NL!   This is ridiculous to say the least! The ONLY way to compare one League against the other is by HEAD TO HEAD games- that is a FACT!  It just seems like you REFUSE to accept the FACTS even when they are right in your face! You ALWAYS find some way to spin the FACTS to achieve the desired result that YOU WANT!  Are you sure you weren't working in the Bush Administration? 
What facts?  You mean tiny sample you provided?  What you did was watch two people dressed in yellow come out of a casino ahead and assumed that all people dressed in yellow can win there.  It's flawed reasoning, chief.  I am not as familiar with the names of these things but your reasoning is a falacy.  You presented facts, but drew conclusions from them they don't support.

It is very difficult to assess the two leagues.  It's horribly subjective.  My opinion is that they are, and have been, very very very close. 

I hate to bring this up but you went political....  You are the one who thought that the Senate couldn't pass anything unless it was by 2/3.  Seems to me it is in your best interest to keep your politics out of this.
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#42 | 71 days ago

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Your calling AJ and a 37 year old man an Ace are you kidding to me we really just have one Ace 
Well, they were aces for the Yankees.  They were the only ones who started any post season games.  Obviously the Yankees had no faith in the rest of their staff.
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#43 | 71 days ago

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Like I asked BDV4U how would the Yankees do in the NL. You out of your own mouth said they are the best team in Baseball. How many wins could they have a rough guess if the Yankees play in the NL by Non DH rules tell me. I bet they can still make the World Series.
How would the Yankees do in the NL?   I don't know.  Impossible to tell.  Probably still very good.  They bought..  er...  put together a very good team last year.
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Duh...  But that doesn't mean that a team with little to no offense and a SUPER pitching staff can't be among the top 10 teams.  As proved by the 2009 season.  The Giants failed to win the west because of a lack of offense.  But are still the 9th best team out there.

The Twins were OK, but slightly above mediocre.  Their pitching was sub par, as was the Tigers.  And their competition in the AL Central was the worst grouping of teams in the Majors.  Hence, their low rating in my book.

You don't like that.  Sue me.  My assessment is superior to yours because I include pitching and defense and a host of other factors you fail to consider.

You have Pittsburgh second worst team in Baseball, Astros Stink, and the Reds Stink. Only good team the Central has is the Cardinals. AL Central has the Tigers,Twins who are both better then the Cardinals. White Sox they are usually good but just had a down year. Fact is you have it wrong the NL Central are better. The AL Central is clearly better. Only spot I give you an Edge is maybe the West. AL East is clearly better.

 
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#45 | 71 days ago

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vindog wrote:
OK smart guy! Since the FACTS of IL Play wasn't enough to satisfy this argument- then HOW do YOU suggest we compare the AL against the NL!   This is ridiculous to say the least! The ONLY way to compare one League against the other is by HEAD TO HEAD games- that is a FACT!  It just seems like you REFUSE to accept the FACTS even when they are right in your face! You ALWAYS find some way to spin the FACTS to achieve the desired result that YOU WANT!  Are you sure you weren't working in the Bush Administration? 
I pulled out the works. They are real numbers and real facts. They still don't buy it. I bet they never even watch the AL at all. I watch the NL all the time. They say the IL play doesn't count. They say the All-Stars don't count. They even try to say the World Series don't count. Fact is the AL is shown to be better at winning these things. Shows the AL is Better.These people don't know anything about the numbers and thats a facts. 
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#46 | 71 days ago

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You have Pittsburgh second worst team in Baseball, Astros Stink, and the Reds Stink. Only good team the Central has is the Cardinals. AL Central has the Tigers,Twins who are both better then the Cardinals. White Sox they are usually good but just had a down year. Fact is you have it wrong the NL Central are better. The AL Central is clearly better. Only spot I give you an Edge is maybe the West. AL East is clearly better.

 
So?   The 2nd worst division in the majors is the NL Central.  As you said, the only top ten team there is the Cards.

They are clearly better than the Tigers and Twins and if they were in the AL Central would dominate those mediocre teams.  
I don't care what the White Sox were in 2007, or 2005.  I was rating them based on their 2009 performance.  An off year?  Maybe.  But I am rating them based on their "off year".

BTW...  When I rate the 6 divisions...  They are rated as follows..

For 2009 and 2009 ONLY.

1.  AL West.
2.  NL West.
3.  AL East.
4.  NL East.
5.  NL Central
6.  AL Central.

This is all teams in the division top to bottom.  Not just the top 2.  ALL teams.

The AL West may have been a tad over rated because they only have 4 teams.  But they are the only division where 75% of the division are top 15 teams.

The NL West is rough because it has 3 top 10 teams.  But then you get the #20 Padres and the #24 Snakes.  But still a rough division in spite of that.

Your AL East does have teams #1 and 4,  But the rest of the division is lower division quality.  The Rays are #17, Jays are #21 and the O's are the worst team in the AL at #29 overall.  That really bogs down the division.  And part of the reason the Yankees and BoSox won as many games as they did.
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#47 | 71 days ago

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I pulled out the works. They are real numbers and real facts. They still don't buy it. I bet they never even watch the AL at all. I watch the NL all the time. They say the IL play doesn't count. They say the All-Stars don't count. They even try to say the World Series don't count. Fact is the AL is shown to be better at winning these things. Shows the AL is Better.These people don't know anything about the numbers and thats a facts. 
No one is disputing the facts presented.  It is you and your brother in arms that is drawing the wrong conclusions from them.  You misinterpret what they mean.  Or, more appropriately, you are giving those numbers more power than they really have because it leads to a conclusion you want to reach.
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No one is disputing the facts presented.  It is you and your brother in arms that is drawing the wrong conclusions from them.  You misinterpret what they mean.  Or, more appropriately, you are giving those numbers more power than they really have because it leads to a conclusion you want to reach.
Fact is we beat you year after year head to head in the IL, Fact is we beat you all the time in the All Stars every single year. Fact is most of the time we beat you in the best head to head series ever thats the World Series. Plus the AL has better hitters then the NL, Fact we just have as good of pitching as the NL. That is why a lot of pitchers wanna go to the National League ask them why. It because you have weaker line up top to bottom. Because the AL has better Hitters its a lot harder to pitch in the AL. A lot of players couldn't even play in the AL i.e  Randy Johnson a few more. You know what happens usually when a Pitcher decides to come to the NL they get worst numbers period they have a harder time pitching fact. I seen it time after time on the Yankees for heaven sakes. And other AL teams. How many pitchers that pitched great in the NL. Come to the AL to become bust tons a few make it but its rare.  A lot of Hitters can't deal with the AL either its a harder place to play. You can twist all you want the facts. Fact is they are the facts and you can't twist that up they are set in stone. You ask every expert they will all tell you the AL is the most dominant league period. On the reverse an AL pitcher and hitter just tear it up in the NL examples CC, Roger Clemons, Andy Petite among others. Manny Ramirez had a rebirth in the AL. Matt Holliday comes to the AL he a bust he stinks in Oakland. Goes back to the NL tears things up proof enough.
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#49 | 71 days ago

 Funny, I counted 3 NL wins. The only dominate year was 2006!
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#50 | 71 days ago

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Fact is we beat you year after year head to head in the IL, Fact is we beat you all the time in the All Stars every single year. Fact is most of the time we beat you in the best head to head series ever thats the World Series. Plus the AL has better hitters then the NL, Fact we just have as good of pitching as the NL. That is why a lot of pitchers wanna go to the National League ask them why. It because you have weaker line up top to bottom. Because the AL has better Hitters its a lot harder to pitch in the AL. A lot of players couldn't even play in the AL i.e  Randy Johnson a few more. You know what happens usually when a Pitcher decides to come to the NL they get worst numbers period they have a harder time pitching fact. I seen it time after time on the Yankees for heaven sakes. And other AL teams. How many pitchers that pitched great in the NL. Come to the AL to become bust tons a few make it but its rare.  A lot of Hitters can't deal with the AL either its a harder place to play. You can twist all you want the facts. Fact is they are the facts and you can't twist that up they are set in stone. You ask every expert they will all tell you the AL is the most dominant league period. On the reverse an AL pitcher and hitter just tear it up in the NL examples CC, Roger Clemons, Andy Petite among others. Manny Ramirez had a rebirth in the AL. Matt Holliday comes to the AL he a bust he stinks in Oakland. Goes back to the NL tears things up proof enough.
Winning in IL play is minuscule because teams are not playing the entire league.  Only 3 or 4.  Winning the ASG is worthless because players shuffled in and out so often that winning is never the goal, but rather getting everyone in the game.  The World Series is hardly a test of the league on the whole because it is merely one team.  Which does not represent the entire league.

You presented facts but ignored what those facts truly mean.

Pitchers don't opt for the AL or NL.  They opt for the money.  Randy Johnson had great years in Seattle.  He proved it doesn't matter where he pitches.  Your own mercenary, Sabathia, he did well in both.  And both chased the money.  Not where they felt they could get better stats.

It's pretty easy to say, "You are just twisting the facts" when presented with reason.  It is what people say when they are presented with rational, sane arguments that make perfect sense.  I have seen it time and time again.
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#51 | 71 days ago

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Winning in IL play is minuscule because teams are not playing the entire league.  Only 3 or 4.  Winning the ASG is worthless because players shuffled in and out so often that winning is never the goal, but rather getting everyone in the game.  The World Series is hardly a test of the league on the whole because it is merely one team.  Which does not represent the entire league.

You presented facts but ignored what those facts truly mean.

Pitchers don't opt for the AL or NL.  They opt for the money.  Randy Johnson had great years in Seattle.  He proved it doesn't matter where he pitches.  Your own mercenary, Sabathia, he did well in both.  And both chased the money.  Not where they felt they could get better stats.

It's pretty easy to say, "You are just twisting the facts" when presented with reason.  It is what people say when they are presented with rational, sane arguments that make perfect sense.  I have seen it time and time again.
Randy Did better in the NL, CC did better in the NL fact look the numbers up. Randy played for the Yankees and stunk it up, so did a number of other pitcher. A few thieved like Beckett but thats rare. If you compare the ERA better an Pitcher who pitched in the AL and NL they are usually better in the NL because the National League aren't as good at hitting fact look the numbers up yourself or do I have to show you it myself. 'Period". I'm not twisting anything up if you look you can see what Im saying is fact do you need me to find everything. How come we win more World Series answer that its on a level playing field. AL won more World Series then the NL before the DH thing came into play. Answer this how would the Yankees do in the NL, How would the Red Sox do, How would the Angels Do. These teams have stronger line ups and like the NL they play good little ball. Answer this how would the Giants do in the American League, How would the Cardinals Do in the American league, how would the Rockies the Dodgers or any other team in the NL do in the American League.
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#52 | 71 days ago

 With the Cardinals pitching staff and Pujols hitting against inferior pitching in the AL, LaRussa could still have the DH on the bench and compete! Remember, he did very well as an AL manager and the extra bat would not be fair!
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#53 | 71 days ago

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BDV4U wrote:
With the Cardinals pitching staff and Pujols hitting against inferior pitching in the AL, LaRussa could still have the DH on the bench and compete! Remember, he did very well as an AL manager and the extra bat would not be fair!
Pitching in the American League isn't inferior. They just have better hitters in the American Leagues then they do in the National League. You have no hitting you place beyond the top 10 in every single offensive category look it up. Fact here I will give you the link
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?statType=1&box7=bal&compare.x=19&timeFrame=1&box11=sln&c_id=mlb&statSet1=null&readBoxes=true&groupByTeam=true&box4=bos&sitSplit=&checkBoxTotal=0&timeSubFrame=2009&box9=tor&box10=cle&section1=null&Submit=Submit&compare.y=11&baseballScope=mlb&prevPage1=1&&sortByStat=OBP


compared to what you call a weaker league look who hit better then yours. 
 Pitching just as good just strong lineups and your team would stink. I can promise you he Pujols wouldn't have the numbers he does in the AL
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#54 | 71 days ago

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What facts?  You mean tiny sample you provided?  What you did was watch two people dressed in yellow come out of a casino ahead and assumed that all people dressed in yellow can win there.  It's flawed reasoning, chief.  I am not as familiar with the names of these things but your reasoning is a falacy.  You presented facts, but drew conclusions from them they don't support.

It is very difficult to assess the two leagues.  It's horribly subjective.  My opinion is that they are, and have been, very very very close. 

I hate to bring this up but you went political....  You are the one who thought that the Senate couldn't pass anything unless it was by 2/3.  Seems to me it is in your best interest to keep your politics out of this.
Seriously Bro, you are freaking LOST!         The FACTS I gave you was a list of EVERY F^^&KING INTER-LEAGUE GAME EVER PLAYED!  What more do you want?????   THAT and ONLY THAT is the ONLY way to compare one team against another or "one League" against another.   Flawed reasoning on my part? LMMFAO   How about FLAWED acceptance of truth on yours!    And BTW, I admitted my misunderstanding of the Senatorial VOTE months ago on this site to YOU so just STFU you are becoming an annoying little piece of........ never mind- I'm sure you hear that all the time anyway!  I'm done with you
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#55 | 70 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
Randy Did better in the NL, CC did better in the NL fact look the numbers up. Randy played for the Yankees and stunk it up, so did a number of other pitcher. A few thieved like Beckett but thats rare. If you compare the ERA better an Pitcher who pitched in the AL and NL they are usually better in the NL because the National League aren't as good at hitting fact look the numbers up yourself or do I have to show you it myself. 'Period". I'm not twisting anything up if you look you can see what Im saying is fact do you need me to find everything. How come we win more World Series answer that its on a level playing field. AL won more World Series then the NL before the DH thing came into play. Answer this how would the Yankees do in the NL, How would the Red Sox do, How would the Angels Do. These teams have stronger line ups and like the NL they play good little ball. Answer this how would the Giants do in the American League, How would the Cardinals Do in the American league, how would the Rockies the Dodgers or any other team in the NL do in the American League.
Like most leftys, The Unit took a bit to learn how to pitch.  His final few years in Seattle he was right there on top of the world.  So don't give me that crap.  Sabathia another lefty who bloomed late, and his final couple of years in Cleveland showed he was great.  Had one partial season in the NL and returned to a league he felt more comfortable in. 
Once again, you made a flawed conclusion from a tiny strip of data.  CC was best in the NL?  He pitched there for a whopping 18 starts!  Good grief, you are so intent to show you are right you stretch and make up whatever you like, don't you?

You know, I have proved you wrong at so many many places that its just become too easy.  I could prove to you plenty of players who did better in one league over the other going both ways that it would render your entire argument impotent.  But you would just ignore it or say "you are twisting things around" or some other such hogwash.
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#56 | 70 days ago

 vindog wrote:
Seriously Bro, you are freaking LOST!         The FACTS I gave you was a list of EVERY F^^&KING INTER-LEAGUE GAME EVER PLAYED!  What more do you want?????   THAT and ONLY THAT is the ONLY way to compare one team against another or "one League" against another.   Flawed reasoning on my part? LMMFAO   How about FLAWED acceptance of truth on yours!    And BTW, I admitted my misunderstanding of the Senatorial VOTE months ago on this site to YOU so just STFU you are becoming an annoying little piece of........ never mind- I'm sure you hear that all the time anyway!  I'm done with you
???   Do you even read the posts that get responded to you?  I gave you the results of the IL schedule.  But I also gave you reasons why those results don't even begin to tell the full tale.  I don't know why I am doing it, but I will explain it to you YET AGAIN.  

IL play each year consists of a mere 15 or 18 games.  Usually against 4 maybe 5 different teams.  This is hardly enough to draw an entire substantial conclusion from.  This is basic.  You are missing it.  But...  You say you have the results from 12 years of IL play.  Guess what happened during those 12 years.  Players move around.  Divisional strength shifts.  What was one season is no longer the case the next.  Things change.  So you have used 12 years of single season data that is nearly unconnectible as a whole.  Yes, it is the only team individual teams face off in games that count towards something substantial.  But, sometimes the one set of data you get is just not enough to effectively formulate a workable hypothesis. 
What you have done is come to a conclusion and then went looking for data, no matter how thin, in an attempt to support your pre-made decision.

Your reasoning is just as flawed as watching two people dressed in yellow walk out as winners from a casino and conclude that the secret to winning in a casino is to wear yellow.  You never thought that there could possibly be other factors that you did not see.

I seem to have touched a nerve reminding you of one of the many political misconceptions you made those years ago.   I didn't want to go there but you had to make this political.  And I pulled that out of mothballs.  Keep politics out of it.  Your blind devotion to your political party is just as solid your blind devotion to the Yankees.   In both cases you are oblivious to the realities of the world around you.

The only people who have tossed out the insults to me are the handful of people I have used logic and reason to explain why their concepts were faulty.  Those people have a hard time admitting when they are wrong so they lash out.  Like you just did.

I sincerely hope you are through with me.  Your ignorance is astounding and rivaled only by your pal dragon.
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#57 | 70 days ago

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ML31 wrote:
Like most leftys, The Unit took a bit to learn how to pitch.  His final few years in Seattle he was right there on top of the world.  So don't give me that crap.  Sabathia another lefty who bloomed late, and his final couple of years in Cleveland showed he was great.  Had one partial season in the NL and returned to a league he felt more comfortable in. 
Once again, you made a flawed conclusion from a tiny strip of data.  CC was best in the NL?  He pitched there for a whopping 18 starts!  Good grief, you are so intent to show you are right you stretch and make up whatever you like, don't you?

You know, I have proved you wrong at so many many places that its just become too easy.  I could prove to you plenty of players who did better in one league over the other going both ways that it would render your entire argument impotent.  But you would just ignore it or say "you are twisting things around" or some other such hogwash.
Go ahead. CC wanted to be in the NL in off season because he wanted to hit. But Yankees out bid every so much he had no choice. But what I seen in with the Yankees most of the pitching failure came from the National League its a fact I watch them 162 plus times a year fact your calling my own eye false. You never proven me wrong in anything, You never gave me no kind proof at anything just words. I come up with evidence that can stand my arguments.  You can't seam to pick up your knowledge of the American League is poor. You think you proven me wrong but your just not picking up your wrong. Fact things I come up with is fact. Show me proof that your leagues is better I wanna see hard evidence like me and Vin has given you.  You can show the IL is a measuring stick why. Because every teams plays it. American League wins that every single year. As for All Stars every single team plays the exact same way an we still win every single time fact. Fact is more American League Hitters are in the Top 20 of most of the Areas in offense then the NL fact you can look this up yourself. Most of the Top 20 winning Pitchers are the American League look that up means we have better pitching. We lead in most of the Top 20 of most of the other Pitching Areas also you can check that out alright. American League in the Top twenty of most of the Fielding also check that out. From top to bottom the American League has better all around Pitchers, Closers, Hitters, Sluggers, players. period. Most of the American League with the combination of Pitching including bull pens and Offense are false  out better teams period. The Idea that you think your team is better then the Twins or the Idea the the Dodgers are better then the Angels and Red Sox just stupid. I watch all three teams play and all around the Angels and Red Sox are better. They have better pitchers. They have better hitters. They have even a better bull pen and they take on the Yankees and can some what match them. How can teams that match the Yankees in wins be worst then the Dodgers. Its just stupid. If the Yankees play the Dodger 19 times a year they would stop them out big time. Giants and Cardinals also so will the Red Sox and Angels for that matter. Look Also the top  players in almost every areas of the game are controlled by mostly by the AL, That includes Pitching, Closing, Relieving, Hitting  and of course slugging. You can Check this out your self http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=all&statType=3&timeFrame=1&Submit=Submit&c_id=mlb&subScope=pos&sitSplit=&venueID=&baseballScope=mlb&=&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=E
 
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#58 | 70 days ago

 ML31 wrote:
???   Do you even read the posts that get responded to you?  I gave you the results of the IL schedule.  But I also gave you reasons why those results don't even begin to tell the full tale.  I don't know why I am doing it, but I will explain it to you YET AGAIN.  

IL play each year consists of a mere 15 or 18 games.  Usually against 4 maybe 5 different teams.  This is hardly enough to draw an entire substantial conclusion from.  This is basic.  You are missing it.  But...  You say you have the results from 12 years of IL play.  Guess what happened during those 12 years.  Players move around.  Divisional strength shifts.  What was one season is no longer the case the next.  Things change.  So you have used 12 years of single season data that is nearly unconnectible as a whole.  Yes, it is the only team individual teams face off in games that count towards something substantial.  But, sometimes the one set of data you get is just not enough to effectively formulate a workable hypothesis. 
What you have done is come to a conclusion and then went looking for data, no matter how thin, in an attempt to support your pre-made decision.

Your reasoning is just as flawed as watching two people dressed in yellow walk out as winners from a casino and conclude that the secret to winning in a casino is to wear yellow.  You never thought that there could possibly be other factors that you did not see.

I seem to have touched a nerve reminding you of one of the many political misconceptions you made those years ago.   I didn't want to go there but you had to make this political.  And I pulled that out of mothballs.  Keep politics out of it.  Your blind devotion to your political party is just as solid your blind devotion to the Yankees.   In both cases you are oblivious to the realities of the world around you.

The only people who have tossed out the insults to me are the handful of people I have used logic and reason to explain why their concepts were faulty.  Those people have a hard time admitting when they are wrong so they lash out.  Like you just did.

I sincerely hope you are through with me.  Your ignorance is astounding and rivaled only by your pal dragon.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.........
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#59 | 70 days ago

 dragonzblade3232 wrote:
Pitching in the American League isn't inferior. They just have better hitters in the American Leagues then they do in the National League. You have no hitting you place beyond the top 10 in every single offensive category look it up. Fact here I will give you the link
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?statType=1&box7=bal&compare.x=19&timeFrame=1&box11=sln&c_id=mlb&statSet1=null&readBoxes=true&groupByTeam=true&box4=bos&sitSplit=&checkBoxTotal=0&timeSubFrame=2009&box9=tor&box10=cle&section1=null&Submit=Submit&compare.y=11&baseballScope=mlb&prevPage1=1&&sortByStat=OBP


compared to what you call a weaker league look who hit better then yours. 
 Pitching just as good just strong lineups and your team would stink. I can promise you he Pujols wouldn't have the numbers he does in the AL
I've coached a version of Coach-Pitch baseball since my son was 4 years old. Our 1st year, I was an assistant and didn't get much input at the beginning of the season. Our head coach and the coaches of other teams we played, all got out there and threw to THEIR OWN KIDS, like they were Nolan Ryan or Sandy Kofax. Needless to say, the kids didn't hit much! I came up with the radical idea of either pitching a straight ball underhanded, or getting on one knee, so that the 4-to-7 year olds can see the pitch and smack the living daylights out of it! When I went on to be my own head coach, and later run the organization I was coaching for, all of the other teams were furious with me because I unlocked the secret to success and made them look bad.

My point, you're asking? If you throw the ball where the batter can hit it, they will cream the sucker! THAT is American League pitching AND hitting. If you put a constant stream of pitchers, like Lincecum, Wainwright, Carpenter, Sabathia, Lackey, Halladay, etc., you'd have National League numbers in the American League! Add some defensive players and not play in a bandbox, such as Yankee Stadium-2009, you MIGHT have a game.

I know you're going to start barking your old and lame argument about All-Star Games and World Series. The fact is you take batting practice for 9 innings in 162 games off batting practice pitchers, you're bound to improve your average and power! Put that in your Greinke and smoke it.
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#60 | 70 days ago

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Go ahead. CC wanted to be in the NL in off season because he wanted to hit. But Yankees out bid every so much he had no choice. But what I seen in with the Yankees most of the pitching failure came from the National League its a fact I watch them 162 plus times a year fact your calling my own eye false. You never proven me wrong in anything, You never gave me no kind proof at anything just words. I come up with evidence that can stand my arguments.  You can't seam to pick up your knowledge of the American League is poor. You think you proven me wrong but your just not picking up your wrong. Fact things I come up with is fact. Show me proof that your leagues is better I wanna see hard evidence like me and Vin has given you.  You can show the IL is a measuring stick why. Because every teams plays it. American League wins that every single year. As for All Stars every single team plays the exact same way an we still win every single time fact. Fact is more American League Hitters are in the Top 20 of most of the Areas in offense then the NL fact you can look this up yourself. Most of the Top 20 winning Pitchers are the American League look that up means we have better pitching. We lead in most of the Top 20 of most of the other Pitching Areas also you can check that out alright. American League in the Top twenty of most of the Fielding also check that out. From top to bottom the American League has better all around Pitchers, Closers, Hitters, Sluggers, players. period. Most of the American League with the combination of Pitching including bull pens and Offense are false  out better teams period. The Idea that you think your team is better then the Twins or the Idea the the Dodgers are better then the Angels and Red Sox just stupid. I watch all three teams play and all around the Angels and Red Sox are better. They have better pitchers. They have better hitters. They have even a better bull pen and they take on the Yankees and can some what match them. How can teams that match the Yankees in wins be worst then the Dodgers. Its just stupid. If the Yankees play the Dodger 19 times a year they would stop them out big time. Giants and Cardinals also so will the Red Sox and Angels for that matter. Look Also the top  players in almost every areas of the game are controlled by mostly by the AL, That includes Pitching, Closing, Relieving, Hitting  and of course slugging. You can Check this out your self http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=all&statType=3&timeFrame=1&Submit=Submit&c_id=mlb&subScope=pos&sitSplit=&venueID=&baseballScope=mlb&=&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=E
 
CC had "no choice"?  Of course he had a choice.  And he chose to go for the money.  Nothing really wrong with that.  I just think it would be nice if players just told the truth and say at their press conference, "Yes.  I was very impressed with the number of zero's on the check the Yankees signed for me.  Yes, they made the best offer and I went there."

I prove you wrong all the time.  I just didn't offer up evidence in this case because I feel I would just be wasting my time with you.  You have ignored and ran away from everything I countered with.

Why would I show you proof "my" league was better?  I never argued that point.  In fact, I never even answered your poll question because the question was vague.  My claim is that the two leagues are very very even right now and have been for decades.

I asked this before and will ask it again.   Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
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#61 | 70 days ago

 vindog wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH.........
I guess you were lying when you said "I am done with you".

I knew you couldn't just let it go.
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