WAY WAY WAY fewer martial artists take steroids then WWE fighters, its WWE fighters money to LOOK big but do some research steroids in the ring will cause you to burn out, be inflexible, slow you down
and the few who do take them take them in lower doses and are mostly kicked out

and all due respect but your clearly an idiot, you havent said one thing that makes sense or shows you know much about MMA just another WWE fan (bobby lashley isnt good fighter and will not be fighting kimbo any time soon)

by traditional martial arts he doesnt mean shaolin monks he means guys who came up training karate, kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, judo etc. virtually any non western martial art and most wrestlers dont take them anyway although check hammer house i bet that place is full of roids, if your too old to perfrom, taking a drug wont make you good- the fact is you cant just take roids in mma and suddenly succeed in WWE all you need is ALOT of hardwork in the gym, steroids and acting lessons its a totally different formula for success besides the hardwork in the gym but mma fighters arent there to bench an extra hundred pounds by the end of training camp

Brock lesnar is no BS champ, yeah he was given title shot early but if he wasnt good he wouldnt have made it; tons of WWE fighters have tried to transition to mma brock is the only really successful one because hes very adaptable, athletic and (i know i ll get countless claims against this) a smart fighter, he knows how to put his strengths up against his opponents weaknesses without allowing them to utilize their strengths

and all this steroid mine fields blah blah steroids mma crap your talking is clearly just a random opinion you threw out there to try and sound like you know what your talking about but you dont..so go do some research first, if anyone is taking steroids its the big wrestling camps like militech systems and hammer house but militech systems guys pride themselves on integrity and steroids are not a great advantage in the ring, they limit alot of your abilities and cardio actually- there are tons of guys who take steroids, are huge, athletic and have alot of training in one discipline or another how to fight and notice these guys are stuck in tiny promotions and arent dominating? seem odd to you?

vince mcmahon would build some retarded over-hyped over-promoted train wreck of 2 minute fights of guys who just know how to throw their hands, hes interested purely in interesting idiots not about which fighter is the best (not to say dana white is always after letting the best fighter get a shot but if they keep winning then he certainly doesnt stop them)

this idea is just stupid, dana white for all his problems is a good business guy and made mma popular and would probably crush any attempt by vince mcmahon just like he crushed donald trump (i wasnt too happy about affliction going), pride, WEC, and eliteXC (he only had some part of this, it was also closed down due to some speculation of fight fixing post petruzelli vs kimbo)
now go back to some WWE trivia site where you can talk all about who is going to get slammed from 50 feet or thrown onto tacks or have a chair slam on their head this month

well you clearly heard bruce lee started mma in the west and just took your own turn on it..his style never used boxing or wrestling and he never combined these into his style
he created a style called jeet kune do which would more resemble his first martial art wing chun (a brutal chinese street fighting style) combined with elements similiar to an early judo and aikido
"tradition martial arts which i am one you dont fight for money. i will school you in anything dude"- my rough translation is your saying you are a traditional martial artist and that you will beat me anything, firstly if thats your only criteria then technically wrestling (in lower levels and non fake wrestling), judo, jiu jitsu , any street fighting martial art etc. are all traditional martial arts
and to the "i will school you in anything" this just looks like more evidence that your not but i wont make judgements through a site, this wasnt made to talk about who could kick whos ass its an opinion thread

bruce lee more introduced the idea of eastearn martial arts into the west and wasn't really responsible for combining them although you are correct about his working out and ideas on conditioning that were somewhat more western and were revolutionary, it would still be a while before mma or NHB as it was really called back in the day started up (in america, mma in japan was popular)

and because vince has close rates to UFC that means that he should open up his own MMA org??? for what?? your logic has no thought behind it...you then follow up with some nonsene (boxing gets higher PPV sales then WWE) say idiot after saying something unrelated to what i was talking about and try to insult me
so because they havent won in years they have to quit????!?! clearly your just a dumbass spectator at this point i can see
if you actually participated you would know love of the sport not will for titles or money or some crap keeps them in the game

and the fact that you say car wax and wax on and wax off (repetition one to many times with a word missing or two?) i take it your martial expierence comes from you watching martial arts movies, practicing a few crescent kicks and spinning back kicks in front of a mirror and then watch the ufc thinking you could fight there

would you care to try and insult me again? i called you an idiot and backed it up because you make it more and more apparant, my points are logical and make sense where you just go randomly and talk about stuff unrelated and say that it backs up your point (your a huge fan of mma because you like bruce lee??) ("a rare boxing match a good boxing match is more enjoyable then a alright mma fight. idiot." what??? your not even talking about anything related to what i said and theres so much more wrong with your sentences i wont go into)

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more random tangents, you were the one who brought up karate kid, and yes it is a martial art movie because it is about a kid becoming a skilled karate fighter...bruce lee NEVER learned karate, and yeah if you mean he throws punches and boxers throw punches then boxing is in his style, but his punches and defense, footwork etc. is nothing like boxing
theres only a couple hip tosses in wrestling that could be even remotely considered part of bruce lee
and it wasnt dana who called him father of mma in the west, hes been called that by the martial artists hes inspired for years

and my guy dana white?? where do you get all this? do you read what i write? or are you just writing in generics?
wrestling isnt grappling, he didnt take anything from french fencing and american boxing
he created a style that matched his philosophies both physical, mental and spiritual which is what JKD reflects

many do not consider JKD to be percursor to mma, thats not why hes the father of mma in the west, hes the father of mma in the west for introducing a new type of fighting (eastern style) and bringing it to the west, chute

the precuror to mma is widely accepted hybrid wrestling, which had submissions/pins and open palm strikes and then vale tudo which was more of a NHB type thing that spread and evolved into mma
but again this doesnt relate to what i was talking about...maybe address what i say rather then just changing the topic every time

i never said dana white didnt say it!!! are you kidding me? reply to what im writing instead of just talking BS
your right he combined western and eastearn forms, but not boxing and wrestling bud
most of all he took conditioning from the west and small things from various martial arts like savate etc. he watched these styles and allows there elements to work their way into JKD which is actually the least set in stone martial art, you just keep the concepts of fighting in mind and absorb whats useful to you, thats a basic run through of JKD but once again, not important reply to what i said if your gonna click that reply button
i know your saying karate kid wasnt a good movie because "they werent good" or whatever you were saying but its a movie
and i dont know bruce lee??!?! and you never said he did karate!?!?! yes you did and i disagreed with you

stop talking BS, thats not what i said,

IF YOUR GONNA GET ON HERE AND TALK LIKE A CHILD DONT BOTHER

reply to what im actually saying rather then making stuff up and going 'oh thats really sad you dont know bruce lee, i know bruce lee i'm a BA martial artist in fact i'm a UFC fighter and a marine and superman blah blah blah, i know everything about martial arts...' "you call more an idiot your one" i assume this is another failed sentence trying to call me an idiot, this isnt about JKD and i assure you i know more about it then you simply from what you ve said so far thats obvious, you can rewrite each one of your paragraphs and change your opinions every time after researching for half an hour but the fact is you ve already shown what you are

and to address a point earlier, you think vince mcmahon is gonna bring mma to NY?? Dana isnt just deciding not to bring it there, hes working really hard but its a big legal battle that a showman like mcmahon wont solve

now you ve shown yourself a WWE fan willing to talk alot without really saying anything, maybe you ll atleast attempt to address one of these points i ve brought up next time?

hapkido_warrior is right here dragonbladez, you seem to keep switching your story- stick to something
i dont really know juut ken do but i read your posts and you keep chaging your story

and you said shaolin monks are out to make a buck that just aint true man how many monks you see in the ufc

and karate kid was a sick movie about becoming a man and learning discipline and respect if you were a marine you would see that

you said one super form with boxing and wrestling...read your own words
although i recently was informed by someone very intelligent and knowledgable (no it wasnt you) that boxing is in fact a part of JKD style so i ll concede the point..that was never what this was about anyway,  his movie "game of death" was a movie and although he was a spectacular martial artist, that was a scripted movie; never use his movies as examples of how great a martial artist unless your referring to his speed, athleticism.

there are so many errors and things wrong with your next paragraph that i wont get into

but i assure you, dana has better legal/ and illegal influence in NY then vince mcmahon will ever get, Dana is famous for working with the people who criticize mma, hes very open and works well with these people, he busted his butt to get the opinion changed on mma from dog fighting to athlete

i dont even know what your saying in this paragraph, something with terrible grammer and some ridiculous BS, something about yourself and protein which is unrelated, tradition being broken by money (once again rough translations of whatever language your speaking) and you just said you wouldnt wanna be a stacker packer, and you talk about what counts as a PED- steroids and HGH are the topics here, protein, creatin, no-xplode etc. are all fine in my book

but very few mma fighters use HGH or steroids, its why looking at them most mma fighters dont look THAT jacked, most gym rats look a little bigger and stronger (even though they arent) because their concerned with looks, even brock (who i think DID take steroids) huge muscles look kind of floppy since he came to mma (an effect of dropping roids) which was the point..

where did all you WWE fans come from? you come into mma with no knowledge clearly..lemme guess you think bobby lashely and brock lesnar are the two best fighters on the planet and fedor is a nobody? REAL mma fans wont watch vince mcmahon's mma org (if he were ever foolish enough to make one) because it would be TOO flashy, no good fighters would go there (maybe some guys would drop strikeforce, but creating a whole new org and building up new fighters takes years and no one would care if some entertainer famous for having guys "hit" each other with chairs and slam each other on tacts runs it

dragon your pathetic...and im pretty sure your illiterate
if you can read, you need to work on comprehension a lot

and by the way..did you say up there you don't think bruce lee was actually a good fighter??? and you ve been trying to argue about how good bruce lee is and how i know nothing all along

even though i never said he wasnt good in fact i consider him one of the greatest martial artists of all time, and he was so good he didnt even need to compete he did demonstrations against champions and schooled them, had he been fighting in any tourny he would of destroyed

he was in movies because he died before mma took off

watch out john he will "spank you in sports knowledge"

he knows guys who teach wu tang clan who apparantly became fighters recently, i was under the impression they were rappers
 

i know who kareem abdul jabaar is...neither you or i had mentioned him previous to your reply...and you think bruce lee would have a tough time finishing a guy because hes 'big' and im a 'white cracker' now having seen your replies im going to guess your around 11/12 ish, seen a couple episodes of UFC unleashed and seen every WWE event ever, spend a lot of time on wikipedia but not really understanding what you read, and your probably the whitest kid on the planet

read what i said, he doesnt have wrestling...thats still a fact, i wrestled through highschool and was an alternate in college believe me i can spot wrestling techniques, he didnt start mma at all...he just got americans interested in a new form of fighting besides boxing, the reason i think you cant read and write is because your replies arent too what me and john are saying, and on top of that they dont even follow one train of thought, you just jump from one topic to the next (all of said topics are irrelevent to what has been said) his son wasnt killed....and he didnt die from aspirin he was hit from one of the paper fragments from a blank (a shot from a fake pistol, they actually shoot out paper at hundreds of miles per hour though, and can in rare occasions be dangerous)

ok that stuff about monks doing all that..pretty sure its not true, i havent seen any monks out there

and wu tang clan are not fighters, and whoever is teaching them probably isnt a monk, or he WAS a monk and left, believe me those guys just train and pray in the temple all day , what products do monks brand and liscense PLEASE link i am dying to see chinese monk endorsed laundry detergent

i dont care where the name wu tang clan comes from, there just a group of terrible rappers

jackie chan is actually more of a showman martial artist, he knows martial arts but hes not a great fighter more of a gymnast and stuntman, he grew up doing both but focused on the gymnast stuff

some of those rap groups/people you got up there are pretty good but soulja boy...more evidence that your a child to me and the only non rap group you know is beach boys? if you ve seen smoking aces (which im sure you ve seen every movie that youve seen an ad for) i bet you emulate the kid with the karate kid head band listening to rap with ADD who talks like a gangster, in fact you and him seem virtually identical, a role model pherhaps?

ok i didnt even read the last half in fear of arousing a migrane, but did you just tell me wrestling is overrated and i go for flash? i wrestled in high school and was an alternate in college (means i trained with the team everyday)
i dont know what you said about bruce lee dying by asprin again but i assure it was a blank that killed him, the detergent was a joke...obviously nothing is lost on your wise eyes, but i have yet to see a link to a monk endorsed anything. they have their own brands of knives? these are given (maybe payed for but no profit is made i have no doubt) to great students and the rest are all copies made by companies...not endorsed by the monks just made by companies..the monks dont care

i am not here to challenge you as a rap fan, i honestly couldnt care less and i dont really understand what you said in caps, again it makes no sense.

i dont think wu tang is bad because they are black, there are many great black martial artists, however wu tang clan does not fit into that category

ive seen most of that documentary, and yes he TRIED to include things from every martial art but to say it was MOSTLY made of boxing and wrestling isn't true
he may have a few of the complex rolls and hip tosses from wrestling from neutral but no tight-waist, referee's position etc. he doesnt use a wrestling stance, or any of the basic (and most useful) techniques, pherhaps concepts but no wrestling techniques other then some tosses, rolls that RESEMBLE wrestling techniques and are probably a hybrid of his judo and concepts

he died of coma, it was his son who died of shot you are correct although i still dont believe there was anything odd about it
i never said sifu was bad at martial arts, but hes not endorsed by the legit chinese monks and their temples
people may have left and started profit orgs based on themselves being monks (although if they leave and do this they are kicked out which is why sifu "escaped" from the chinese monk temples to come to america)
 

but this is still all off topic, the point is vince mcmahon will not make mma "real" and he will do nothing but bad for mma, its fans and its fighters

well there's no way to tell for sure what he would do, he could be the best or the worst thing to happen to mma in 20 years

and i agree respect before the match isnt important, more so after, i dont worry that he'll let it slide when its trash talk after the match, i worry that he would encourage them to trash-talk and get in the other guys face (i.e. ufc 100 brock lesnar) for the sake of bringing in PPV

but again i cant really tell, all i know of vince's business is the WWE and just from that, i would imagine he would do similiar things with mma, but he might switch gears entirely if he were to get in