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Who is better in 2010? The Indians or the Pirates?
My two favorite MLB teams are the Indians and the Pirates.

Both teams finished 2009 terribly after trading away their best players.

So who will have the best record in 2010, the Indians or the Pirates?
| Closed on 10/06/10 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | MLB | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Team Breakout:
30 Fans 
70%a. Cleveland Indians
30%b. Pittsburgh Pirates

  
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#1 | 1775 days ago

The Pirates just traded a mediocre bullpen pitcher, Jesse Chavez, for a top-tier 2B coming off injury, Iwamura, who hits around .300 and would be a perfect 2 hitter after McCuthcen.

Plus, the Pirates will bring up Tabata on June 1st and will have a top level outfield again.
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#2 | 1775 days ago
DckyJay (+)

im a pirates fan (kinda). they irritate me a lot. let's be honest here, no matter what they do, they always find a way to lose.
Cleveland Indians  
#3 | 1775 days ago

The Indians will find a way to bounce back.  Maybe not a great team next year, but will be above the Pirates.
Cleveland Indians  
#4 | 1775 days ago

 The Pirates are a joke. 

End of story.
Cleveland Indians  
#5 | 1774 days ago

BengalsFan1288 wrote:
The Pirates just traded a mediocre bullpen pitcher, Jesse Chavez, for a top-tier 2B coming off injury, Iwamura, who hits around .300 and would be a perfect 2 hitter after McCuthcen.

Plus, the Pirates will bring up Tabata on June 1st and will have a top level outfield again.
They traded a lousy reliever for a so-so second baseman.  They'll have a top level outfield if they don't trade McCutchen or Milledge when they bring up Tabata, which knowing the idiotic Pirates is exactly what they'll do.  This team makes me suicidal, and I refuse to pay for tickets to see them until they prove to me that they give a rat's ass about being contenders.
#6 | 1774 days ago

BengalsFan1288 wrote:
The Pirates just traded a mediocre bullpen pitcher, Jesse Chavez, for a top-tier 2B coming off injury, Iwamura, who hits around .300 and would be a perfect 2 hitter after McCuthcen.

Plus, the Pirates will bring up Tabata on June 1st and will have a top level outfield again.
Wow - chill out. ease up on the suicide references. Its just a game. I have fun every time me and my peeps go to any baseball game.

And this move looks great. Seems like the Morgan, McLouth, Sanchez, Wilson and the trade to bring in Delmon Young look like very positive.

And whats with the language? That's a big turn-off.
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#7 | 1774 days ago

It's just a game, but it's been SEVENTEEN years of complete and utter embarrassment, and until they prove that they actually care about winning, the Pirates don't deserve one red cent of my money.  I want to see a winning team, they've been an embarrassment to professional sports long enough.  I can spend my money on better things than Pirates tickets until they start putting a competitive team on the field every day of the season.  Until that day comes, I refuse to go to PNC Park.
#8 | 1774 days ago

Oh and for the record, if they're planning on using Delwyn Young, why are they trading for ANOTHER second baseman?  The trade for Iwamura was no different than the lousy trades the last 2 GMs pulled off over the last decade and a half.
#9 | 1774 days ago

kramer wrote:
They traded a lousy reliever for a so-so second baseman.  They'll have a top level outfield if they don't trade McCutchen or Milledge when they bring up Tabata, which knowing the idiotic Pirates is exactly what they'll do.  This team makes me suicidal, and I refuse to pay for tickets to see them until they prove to me that they give a rat's ass about being contenders.
 They want to be contenders.

They are just too stupid to accomplish it.

Stop kidding yourself.
Cleveland Indians  
#10 | 1774 days ago

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 They want to be contenders.

They are just too stupid to accomplish it.

Stop kidding yourself.
Did I not already say in this poll that they're idiots?
#11 | 1773 days ago

Hey, I don't really know but I've been a Pirates fan for over 50 years and you've just gotta believe.  Did you know that Bing Crosby used to be a part owner of the Pirates and Bob Hope was a part owner of the Indians?  Well, Bing always got the best of Bob in their "Road" movies, so that's one reason for thinking the Pirates will be having the Indians walk the plank in 2010. 
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#12 | 1773 days ago

machetto wrote:
Hey, I don't really know but I've been a Pirates fan for over 50 years and you've just gotta believe.  Did you know that Bing Crosby used to be a part owner of the Pirates and Bob Hope was a part owner of the Indians?  Well, Bing always got the best of Bob in their "Road" movies, so that's one reason for thinking the Pirates will be having the Indians walk the plank in 2010. 
You'll have to excuse me for not being very optimistic after the last 17 years.  I do believe...that they'll hit 20+ consecutive years of losing before Bob Nutting even hints that he gives a crap about winning.
#13 | 1773 days ago

 Dear Pirates,

Losing isn't always a bad thing when it becomes tradition.

Signed,
The Texas Rangers, San Diego Padres, Columbus Blue Jackets, Atlanta Thrashers, LA Clippers, Houston Texans, Charlotte Bobcats and the Memphis Grizzlies
Cleveland Indians  
#14 | 1773 days ago

You still won the World Series, so you have no reason to complain about that trade.
 
#15 | 1773 days ago

wickedklown975 wrote:
 Dear Pirates,

Losing isn't always a bad thing when it becomes tradition.

Signed,
The Texas Rangers, San Diego Padres, Columbus Blue Jackets, Atlanta Thrashers, LA Clippers, Houston Texans, Charlotte Bobcats and the Memphis Grizzlies
Yet none of those teams have had as many consecutive losing seasons as the Pirates.  The Rangers had a winning season this year, the Texans are a much improved team this year, the Blue Jackets just made the playoffs, the Thrashers just won their division 3 years ago, the Bobcats have only been around for 6 years now, the Clippers were in the playoffs as recently as 2006, the Padres were fighting for the NL Wild Card 2 years ago, and the Grizzlies were in the playoffs 3 straight years, most recently 2006.  They've ALL been better than the Pirates since the Pirates last had a winning season.
 
#16 | 1773 days ago

kramer wrote:
They traded a lousy reliever for a so-so second baseman.  They'll have a top level outfield if they don't trade McCutchen or Milledge when they bring up Tabata, which knowing the idiotic Pirates is exactly what they'll do.  This team makes me suicidal, and I refuse to pay for tickets to see them until they prove to me that they give a rat's ass about being contenders.
Agree on the  statement concerning Aki - as a Rays fan, let's just say it wasn't a great loss....
Cleveland Indians  
#17 | 1773 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

I have said on this site many times that the Pirates are an embarrassment beyond all speaking. This is Pittsburgh, home of the reigning champions in both the NFL and NHL. I don't want to hear about how those leagues have salary caps. That doesn't make all the difference. That doesn't excuse 17 consecutive losing seasons. Even the Expos/Nationals franchise has had more collective success over that stretch. I wish the ghost of Roberto Clemente would haunt Nutting every night.

That being said, the Pirates do have a lot of promising young talent-- of course, we'll have to see how much they actually hold on to. I think they will post a better record in 2010 only because the National League is overall weaker than the AL. They get to play a lot of games against the mediocre Reds and Astros in their division. They get six games against the Nationals. The Indians have to contend with the Tigers and Twins in their division, and of course have a half-dozen each against the Yankees and Red Sox. They also get to play the Royals a lot, but that series will probably split right along the cutting edge of ineptitude.
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#18 | 1773 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

Also, just curious-- if you're a Bengals fan, why do you root for the Indians over the Reds?
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#19 | 1773 days ago

I agree - I think its another example of how the Pirates actually used the Yankees. In the most recent examples, the Pirates gave up Damaso Marte (very good), Nady (a complete bust) and got back Tabata, Ohlendorff and several other pieces. On those exchanges alone, the Pirates have the upper hand on trades made with the Yankees.

Let people say the Pirates are Triple-A for the Yankees - the Pirates are getting the better of the Yankees management.
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#20 | 1773 days ago

machetto wrote:
Hey, I don't really know but I've been a Pirates fan for over 50 years and you've just gotta believe.  Did you know that Bing Crosby used to be a part owner of the Pirates and Bob Hope was a part owner of the Indians?  Well, Bing always got the best of Bob in their "Road" movies, so that's one reason for thinking the Pirates will be having the Indians walk the plank in 2010. 
That's AWESOME!

Thanks for giving that info - another great reason to love these 2 proud franchises.

I gave you RESPECT 
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#21 | 1773 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
Also, just curious-- if you're a Bengals fan, why do you root for the Indians over the Reds?
Because growing up with my Dad as a huge sports fan in Youngstown, Ohio, we support Northeastern Ohio teams - except the Browns - any team that ran off the great Paul Brown deserves to have its fan root for the team he went to next - the Bengals.

Who could love the Reds that had an owner like Marge Schott for so many years???
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#22 | 1773 days ago

wickedklown975 wrote:
 Dear Pirates,

Losing isn't always a bad thing when it becomes tradition.

Signed,
The Texas Rangers, San Diego Padres, Columbus Blue Jackets, Atlanta Thrashers, LA Clippers, Houston Texans, Charlotte Bobcats and the Memphis Grizzlies
I know.... those are more lifelong losing teams.
Cleveland Indians  
#23 | 1773 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

BengalsFan1288 wrote:
Because growing up with my Dad as a huge sports fan in Youngstown, Ohio, we support Northeastern Ohio teams - except the Browns - any team that ran off the great Paul Brown deserves to have its fan root for the team he went to next - the Bengals.

Who could love the Reds that had an owner like Marge Schott for so many years???
Ah, well that makes sense =) Schott was an idiot, but I'd have to say current Reds ownership is (slightly) smarter than the folks who run the Indians, not that either one is in great shape right now.
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#24 | 1773 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
I have said on this site many times that the Pirates are an embarrassment beyond all speaking. This is Pittsburgh, home of the reigning champions in both the NFL and NHL. I don't want to hear about how those leagues have salary caps. That doesn't make all the difference. That doesn't excuse 17 consecutive losing seasons. Even the Expos/Nationals franchise has had more collective success over that stretch. I wish the ghost of Roberto Clemente would haunt Nutting every night.

That being said, the Pirates do have a lot of promising young talent-- of course, we'll have to see how much they actually hold on to. I think they will post a better record in 2010 only because the National League is overall weaker than the AL. They get to play a lot of games against the mediocre Reds and Astros in their division. They get six games against the Nationals. The Indians have to contend with the Tigers and Twins in their division, and of course have a half-dozen each against the Yankees and Red Sox. They also get to play the Royals a lot, but that series will probably split right along the cutting edge of ineptitude.
Yet they've won a 3 or 4-game series in Houston (at most) 3 times this decade.
#25 | 1772 days ago

kramer wrote:
You'll have to excuse me for not being very optimistic after the last 17 years.  I do believe...that they'll hit 20+ consecutive years of losing before Bob Nutting even hints that he gives a crap about winning.
 There you go again, pretending the Pirates "don't care" about winning.

THEY CARE. THEY ARE JUST RETARDED.
Cleveland Indians  
#26 | 1771 days ago

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 There you go again, pretending the Pirates "don't care" about winning.

THEY CARE. THEY ARE JUST RETARDED.
Bob Nutting does not care.
 
#27 | 1770 days ago

kramer wrote:
Bob Nutting does not care.
 
 It would take some serious evidence to convince me of that Bryan
Cleveland Indians  
#28 | 1769 days ago

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 It would take some serious evidence to convince me of that Bryan
People still go to games.  Attendance in 2008 was actually UP for home games as opposed to 2007.  Nutting also owns a very popular ski resort.  He makes a good profit with the team and his ski resort.  In his mind, he's still making a profit, so why should he bother putting together a winning team.  THAT is why he doesn't care about winning.  He's being a very clever businessman, and only gives a crap about the money in his pocket.
 
#29 | 1749 days ago

I think the Pirates got the better end of the deal with the Chavez for Iwamura deal. The Rays didn't want to pick up Iwamura's option of $4mil+ and obviously have a player better than him to take his place (Zobrist).
Aki is a slightly above average fielder that shines on the double play pivot. He bats left handed but hits left handers quite well. Basically he was expendable because of Zobrist's breakout year and the Rays wanted to cut payroll.
The Pirates fans can fill me in on Chavez, but I have a feeling he will be hard pressed to be anything more than a spot/hot reliever.
Pittsburgh Pirates  
#30 | 1749 days ago

MarkTheShark wrote:
I think the Pirates got the better end of the deal with the Chavez for Iwamura deal. The Rays didn't want to pick up Iwamura's option of $4mil+ and obviously have a player better than him to take his place (Zobrist).
Aki is a slightly above average fielder that shines on the double play pivot. He bats left handed but hits left handers quite well. Basically he was expendable because of Zobrist's breakout year and the Rays wanted to cut payroll.
The Pirates fans can fill me in on Chavez, but I have a feeling he will be hard pressed to be anything more than a spot/hot reliever.
 Chavez is inconsistent, but from what I've seen from him, he's more lousy than good.  He made me nervous as hell on the mound even when the Pirates had a 4 or 5-run lead...and he did his best to blow said lead quite often.
#31 | 1748 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Pittsburgh vs Cleveland in the 2010 World Series - NOT!!!!

Pirates will trade a player as soon as they get decent. Indians have the upside in this duel.
Cleveland Indians  

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