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Link between MAN & GOD?

An atheist (non believer in GOD) professor of
Philosophy speaks to his Class on the problem
science has with a manifestation of God. He asks
one of his new students to stand and.....

 

Prof: You are a devotee of the concept of a
Manifestation of God, aren't you, son?

Student: Yes, sir.

 

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

 

Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

 

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.

 

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he
prayed to the Manifestation to heal him. Most of
us would attempt to help others who are ill. But He
didn't. How is this Manifestation of God good
then? Hmm?
(The student is silent.)

 

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again,
young fella. Is God good?

Student: Yes.

 

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this
world?
Student: Yes.

 

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did
make everything.
Correct?

Student: Yes.

 

Prof: So who created evil?
(The student does not answer.)

 

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred?
Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the
world, don't they?

Student: Yes, sir.

 

Prof: So, who created them?
(The student has no answer.)

 

Prof: Tell me, son. Do you believe in the
Manifestation of God?

Student: Yes, professor, I do.

 

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Have
you ever seen this manifestation of God?
Student: No, sir.

 

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your
Manifestation of God?
Student: No, sir.

 

Prof: Have you ever felt your Manifestation of God,
tasted your
Manifestation of God, smelt your Manifestation of
God
? Have you ever had any sensory perception
of the manifestation of God or God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

 

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

 

Prof: According to empirical, testable,
demonstrable protocol, science says your
Manifestation of God doesn't exist. What do you
say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

 

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science
has.

 

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.

 

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.

 

Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this
turn of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more
heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little
heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called
cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is
no heat, but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word
we use to describe the absence of heat.
We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is
not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is
there such a thing as darkness?

 

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of something. You can have low light,
normal light, bright light, flashing light.....But if you
have no light Constantly, you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If
it were you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn't you?

 

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young
man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical
premise is flawed.

 

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue there is life and then there is
death, a good God and a bad God. You are
viewing the concept of God as something finite,
something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses
electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,
much less fully understood either one.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence
of it.
Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your
students that they evolved from a monkey?

 

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary
process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with
your own eyes, sir?


Prof: No.

Student: Since no one has ever observed the
process of evolution at work and cannot even
prove that this process is an on-going endeavor,
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not
a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

 

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever
seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

 

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard
the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt
it?.....No one appears to have done so. So,
according to the established rules of empirical,
stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that
you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your
lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the
student, his face unfathomable.)

 

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

 

Student: That is it sir.. The link between man &
God is FAITH.

 

| Closed on 12/30/09 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | Locker Room | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
35 Fans 
14%a. Man should have blind faith in God!
3%b. Men should satisfy themselves whether they really believe that there is God!
20%c. If you have inner feelings of the presence of God, you believe in his existence!
63%d. Others

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TOP COMMENT * * * * * * * * * * * *
#13 | 1296 days ago

I hate reading these simplistic articles about atheism.  They always involve some unnamed atheist professor and an unnamed student who believes.  We never hear what he believes, but we all know he's a Christian, don't we?  Then they have sort of pseudo Socratic talk that backfires on the professor, while the class all agrees with and approves of the student.  It's tiresome and fake. 

I mean, if we cut open the professors head, we could all see his brain, it would make the professor correct, but he could be killed as well.  And his darkness and light argument is pure sophistry, meant to dazzle those who don't know any better. 

It's best to see these for what they are and ignore them.
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#1 | 1296 days ago

I believe in God 1000%, whether he can be sensed or not
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#2 | 1296 days ago

Very well said...
If you have inner feelings of the presence of God, you believe in his existence!  
#3 | 1296 days ago

Cool story , but thats all it is. There are planets that reach out further in other galaxies found lightyears beyond what the biblical record of existence is. I myself believe in some form of a god, but I'm not going to trust in the wisdom of an age old religion just because I cant explain everything on my own.
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#4 | 1296 days ago

Mike0513 wrote:
Cool story , but thats all it is. There are planets that reach out further in other galaxies found lightyears beyond what the biblical record of existence is. I myself believe in some form of a god, but I'm not going to trust in the wisdom of an age old religion just because I cant explain everything on my own.
That thing that you cannot explain and do not have words to describe is GOD!
#5 | 1296 days ago

customercare31 wrote:
That thing that you cannot explain and do not have words to describe is GOD!
Spare the preaching, please.

If I so choose to be Atheist and believe in Evolution over "God" and "His" creations, then I will, and some story - whether it be real or made up, doesn't matter - that I've read 20 times before doesn't change any of that.
#6 | 1296 days ago

   is GOD, tolerance is GOD,  being tolerant, compassionate is presence of god, but also we are humans, we have the temptations of senses to make us seek them pleasures of senses, at any cost, even being inhuman for getting them. Humans being social animals, have rules of laws, again made by wisdom of chosen few, legislated laws are for the living in society without being deviant to social laws, like the COC of the site, follow them or be prepared to get out of the community, but there are laws embedded in our minds by ancient wisdom of humanity which have to be followed, none to supervise the compliance except ones own conscious mind.
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#7 | 1296 days ago

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Spare the preaching, please.

If I so choose to be Atheist and believe in Evolution over "God" and "His" creations, then I will, and some story - whether it be real or made up, doesn't matter - that I've read 20 times before doesn't change any of that.
And who is preaching to you.  If you do not like something, you are just supposed to keep quiet and ignore.  You are not required to poke your nose in something good being spoken.  Your life is yours, your mind is yours, no one is telling you what to do - so please you just follow suit and shun from such ill tempered comments - I just fail to understand what you are trying to get at.  The polls are not created to be made fun of or to be taunted upon.  You may be a bit sarcastic, but not personal. 

You will be well advised to keep your thoughts to yourself and if you find you cannot take such polls, just stay away from them and all will be fine!  I hope you have got it right!
#8 | 1296 days ago

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Spare the preaching, please.

If I so choose to be Atheist and believe in Evolution over "God" and "His" creations, then I will, and some story - whether it be real or made up, doesn't matter - that I've read 20 times before doesn't change any of that.
 The star is sheriff badge...................................................? of country western spaghetti movie.?
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#9 | 1296 days ago

customercare31 wrote:
And who is preaching to you.  If you do not like something, you are just supposed to keep quiet and ignore.  You are not required to poke your nose in something good being spoken.  Your life is yours, your mind is yours, no one is telling you what to do - so please you just follow suit and shun from such ill tempered comments - I just fail to understand what you are trying to get at.  The polls are not created to be made fun of or to be taunted upon.  You may be a bit sarcastic, but not personal. 

You will be well advised to keep your thoughts to yourself and if you find you cannot take such polls, just stay away from them and all will be fine!  I hope you have got it right!
I was under the impression that you were preaching to another member of this site that had made the decision on his own that he does not trust an age old religion, and you tell him what it is his distrust is.

I'm a bit confused; you go from: "Your life is yours, your mind is yours, no one is telling you what to do" and then you tell me "to keep quiet and ignore"?

Is this poll only intended for pro-faith conversation, therefore can not have a discussion between the beliefs of Atheism/Evolution vs. God and His Creation?

I did absolutely no making fun of nor taunting in my post, and just simply wondered if those who comment in this thread must be "I God" and that is all that can be allowed.
#10 | 1296 days ago

dammit, you beat me to it
#11 | 1296 days ago

customercare31 wrote:
And who is preaching to you.  If you do not like something, you are just supposed to keep quiet and ignore.  You are not required to poke your nose in something good being spoken.  Your life is yours, your mind is yours, no one is telling you what to do - so please you just follow suit and shun from such ill tempered comments - I just fail to understand what you are trying to get at.  The polls are not created to be made fun of or to be taunted upon.  You may be a bit sarcastic, but not personal. 

You will be well advised to keep your thoughts to yourself and if you find you cannot take such polls, just stay away from them and all will be fine!  I hope you have got it right!
Faith is something i feel we should never lose
#12 | 1296 days ago

I believe.
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#13 | 1296 days ago

I hate reading these simplistic articles about atheism.  They always involve some unnamed atheist professor and an unnamed student who believes.  We never hear what he believes, but we all know he's a Christian, don't we?  Then they have sort of pseudo Socratic talk that backfires on the professor, while the class all agrees with and approves of the student.  It's tiresome and fake. 

I mean, if we cut open the professors head, we could all see his brain, it would make the professor correct, but he could be killed as well.  And his darkness and light argument is pure sophistry, meant to dazzle those who don't know any better. 

It's best to see these for what they are and ignore them.
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#14 | 1296 days ago
vindog (+)

GOD is a Mythical Being made up by MAN for the use of CONTROLLING other MEN!  And RELIGION (The Bible, Koran, etc) is the TOOL used to CONTROL other Men using the EMOTION of FEAR as the adhesive to bond it all with!
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#15 | 1295 days ago

I hear scientists say that there are infinite alternate realities and dimensions. What if in one of those alternate realities there is an all powerful God who created everything?
#16 | 1295 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

pizzlewizzle wrote:
I hear scientists say that there are infinite alternate realities and dimensions. What if in one of those alternate realities there is an all powerful God who created everything?
There are no IF's.  GOD is real and I put my faith and hope in him everyday.
Man should have blind faith in God!  
#17 | 1295 days ago

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
#18 | 1295 days ago

Go and look at the stars at night and really think about how you exist in the universe, that amazing universe you can see is really what you are - that is why you can see it! It is a very cool spiritual experience - and it is true!)
#19 | 1295 days ago

God was not created by man (human).  It is in a way a name given to Mother Nature who has her own mythical ways and no science, mind you, no science has till date found out her ways of functioning.  They all come to a dead end somewhere or the other.  This is where the realm of God starts. 

Science says this was made in this way, that was evolved from this or that, and so on and so forth.  But still, the question remains unanswered - whatever came first (stars, matter, atmosphere, universe, black hole, etc. etc.), how did it come and from where did it come and/or who created it.  I hope you all are getting at what I am trying to point at. NO SCIENCE HAS THE ANSWER TO THIS!  They all finally meet with a dead end.  GOD is that DEAD END.

Man may have used God and his name and forms for his own mean gains - but that does not in any way prove that GOD is not existing.  I myself, to be honest, get this feeling many a times that Science has proved a lot, but that dead end makes me go back into my shell and makes me blindly believe that some supernatural power, that created all and controls all, is GOD.  That's all!

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
#20 | 1295 days ago

Chief_aka_James wrote:
I was under the impression that you were preaching to another member of this site that had made the decision on his own that he does not trust an age old religion, and you tell him what it is his distrust is.

I'm a bit confused; you go from: "Your life is yours, your mind is yours, no one is telling you what to do" and then you tell me "to keep quiet and ignore"?

Is this poll only intended for pro-faith conversation, therefore can not have a discussion between the beliefs of Atheism/Evolution vs. God and His Creation?

I did absolutely no making fun of nor taunting in my post, and just simply wondered if those who comment in this thread must be "I God" and that is all that can be allowed.
i WANT TO PUT A FULL STOP TO THIS ARGUMENT RIGHT HERE AND NOW.  NO COMMENTS PLEASE! 

Let the misunderstandings between either of us clear on their own - by just maintaining humble silence.
#21 | 1295 days ago

Long ago, maybe around 35 years or so, I had heard a song "I WANT TO KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS  TO KNOW - - - - - - "

In some latter para, these words are found - "WHO MADE THE SUN, WHO MADE THE MOON, WHO MADE THE STARS OF THIS UNIVERSE?"

And in the last stanza, the song says - "GOD MADE  - - - - , GOD MADE - - - - , BUT WHO MADE GOD?"

See if any of you can lay your hands on this lyric - it is worth hearing.  I suddenly remember Mooser who had a penchant for old musical titles and he would have definitely given us the link where to get it.

Anyway, If we search, wee too will find it, I am sure.  Happy hunting!
#22 | 1295 days ago

We didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved with them. moving further and further apart - exponentially distant genetic cousins, like cows and dolphins, in an enormous "family tree," for lack of a better term. Humans evolving from monkeys is like saying the earth is flat, nobody in their right minds would teach that anymore. Now what if God did that? I am no way spiritual at all but I think the best case for God is evolution, and yet there will always be resistance to faith in that from those with the strongest religious convictions.
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#23 | 1295 days ago

I have a strong faith and I beleive that there is God
#24 | 1295 days ago

marcus_nyce wrote:
We didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved with them. moving further and further apart - exponentially distant genetic cousins, like cows and dolphins, in an enormous "family tree," for lack of a better term. Humans evolving from monkeys is like saying the earth is flat, nobody in their right minds would teach that anymore. Now what if God did that? I am no way spiritual at all but I think the best case for God is evolution, and yet there will always be resistance to faith in that from those with the strongest religious convictions.
This is WHAT HAD MADE THE WORLD A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE IN - Dont you agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#25 | 1295 days ago

To "Let Go," does not mean to stop caring,
  it means I can't do it for someone else.
To "Let Go," is not to cut myself off,
  it's the realization I can't control another.
To "Let Go," is not to enable,
  but to allow learning from natural consequences.
To "Let Go," is to admit powerlessness,
  which means the outcome is not in my hands - but in God's.
To "Let Go" is not to try to change or blame another,
  it's to make the most of myself.
To "Let Go," is not to care for,
  but to care about.
To "Let Go," is not to fix,
  but to be supportive.
To "Let Go," is not to judge,
  but to allow another to be the human being they choose to be.
To "Let Go," is not to be in the middle arranging all the outcomes,
  but to allow others to affect their own destinies.
To "Let Go," is not to be protective,
  it's to permit another to face reality - regardless of how painful it might be.
To "Let Go," is not to deny,
  but to accept.
To "Let Go," is not to nag, scold, or argue,
  but instead - to search out my own shortcomings and correct them.
To "Let Go," is not to adjust everything to my desires,
  but to take each day as it comes and cherish myself in it.
To "Let Go," is not to regret the past,
  but grow and live for the future.
To "Let Go," is to fear less and live more.
  Let Go and Let God -anonymous
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#26 | 1295 days ago

vindog wrote:
GOD is a Mythical Being made up by MAN for the use of CONTROLLING other MEN!  And RELIGION (The Bible, Koran, etc) is the TOOL used to CONTROL other Men using the EMOTION of FEAR as the adhesive to bond it all with!
It's not a religion to me, it's a relationship.  I wasn't pressured into anything or told to be afraid of God.  I choose to worship God out of my own free will and no one can take that away from me.  You likewise have free will to believe what you believe, and that is the wonderful thing about life!
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#27 | 1295 days ago

customercare31 wrote:
This is WHAT HAD MADE THE WORLD A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE IN - Dont you agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely. I wish more folks thought that tho...
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#28 | 1295 days ago

All cannot be like you - nor can they think like you!  You seem to be something exceptional and extraordinary!
#29 | 1291 days ago
normski77 (+)

im not religious im afraid
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#30 | 1291 days ago

GREAT ONE,THANKS FOR SHARE.
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