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Penny For Your Thoughts (Edited 12/09/09 01:28PM by )
The Cardinals signed Brad Penny for $7.5M for 2010 to be their #3 starter, behind Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter.

Good? Bad? Ugly?
| Closed on 04/05/10 at 01:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | MLB, St. Louis Cardinals, NL Central | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Teams:  St. Louis Cardinals
Team Breakout:
33 Fans 
12%a. Great Move!
45%b. Decent Move
18%c. 'Salright
3%d. Not Happy
3%e. Bad Move
0%f. WHAT?!?
3%g. Are You Nuts?
0%h. I wanted him for my team
12%i. Paid too much!
3%j. Other

  
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#1 | 1262 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Certainly a Dave Duncan Project, but not worth $7.5M!
Paid too much!  
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#2 | 1262 days ago
vindog (+)

OMG- the Cardinals are on a spending spree!  How can anybody even compete if these teams keep spending money? It's just NOT FAIR  WE NEED A SALARY CAP now!
Decent Move  

#3 | 1262 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Yeah, it pushed they WAY over the $100M mark. Good thing they have 3.4M paid attendance to pay for it! LOL
Paid too much!  

#4 | 1262 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
BDV4U wrote:
Yeah, it pushed they WAY over the $100M mark. Good thing they have 3.4M paid attendance to pay for it! LOL
Obviously my post was made to be sarcastic- LOL!   But, if it were the Yankees signing Penny to that contract, you guys would be all over them for spending more money and "trying to buy a Championship"- and that is a FACT!  Funny that 2 of the Top 3 Starters in the Cardinals rotation (now)- Carpenter and Penny are "store bought" players, just like the Yankees with Sabathia and Burnett- hmmmmmmm    Are the Cardinals trying to "buy" a Championship????
Decent Move  

#5 | 1262 days ago

 vindog wrote:
Obviously my post was made to be sarcastic- LOL!   But, if it were the Yankees signing Penny to that contract, you guys would be all over them for spending more money and "trying to buy a Championship"- and that is a FACT!  Funny that 2 of the Top 3 Starters in the Cardinals rotation (now)- Carpenter and Penny are "store bought" players, just like the Yankees with Sabathia and Burnett- hmmmmmmm    Are the Cardinals trying to "buy" a Championship????
The answer to that would be "Yes"....    IF they follow this up with a brinks truck to Holliday and then Bay as well.  And IF it brought their payroll $50 million over their nearest competitor.
'Salright  
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#6 | 1262 days ago

 I read the Giants made 4 different offers.  I guess none were as high as the $7.5 million from the Cards.  Oh well....
'Salright  

#7 | 1262 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

Actually, I don't think $7.5M is that much for Penny, considering the Rockies paid Jason Marquis $9.83M last season and if he accepted arbitration, it would shoot up to 11-12 next year-- and they're two pitchers on roughly the same level. The Cardinals will indeed make an aggressive play to keep Holliday if they're smart, but obviously they wouldn't go after Bay if that's the case.
Decent Move  

#8 | 1261 days ago
BDV4U (+)

vindog wrote:
Obviously my post was made to be sarcastic- LOL!   But, if it were the Yankees signing Penny to that contract, you guys would be all over them for spending more money and "trying to buy a Championship"- and that is a FACT!  Funny that 2 of the Top 3 Starters in the Cardinals rotation (now)- Carpenter and Penny are "store bought" players, just like the Yankees with Sabathia and Burnett- hmmmmmmm    Are the Cardinals trying to "buy" a Championship????
Wainwright came over in the Eli Marrero trade with the Braves, so he's not really home-grown, either.

Don't get me wrong, Dave Duncan will make Brad worth every Penny (pun intended)! Jeff Weaver was toast before coming to St. Louis and went back to being a nobody after he chased the money to Seattle. Same goes for Jason Marquis and Jeff Suppan. John Smoltz & Joel Pinero are the latest washouts looking to cash in on their mild success with the Cardinals. Personally, I hope they can re-sign them at a REASONABLE price and have a solid staff for 2010.

Now if they start trading prospects for Roy Hallady, then you can start calling for Bill DeWitt Jr's head & wallet - because that would indicate they are selling the farm to buy a title!
Paid too much!  

#9 | 1261 days ago

 Considering the Yankees just coughed up 11.75 million on a 1 year contract for Andy Pettite, I'd say the Cardinals made a decent move in getting Brad Penny for just over 7 million.  Penny has a power arm but has problems with consistency.  If he can keep his head on straight then I see no reason why Dave Duncan cant maximize Penny's potential and have him be the 2010 Joel Pineiro
Decent Move  

#10 | 1261 days ago

 vindog wrote:
Obviously my post was made to be sarcastic- LOL!   But, if it were the Yankees signing Penny to that contract, you guys would be all over them for spending more money and "trying to buy a Championship"- and that is a FACT!  Funny that 2 of the Top 3 Starters in the Cardinals rotation (now)- Carpenter and Penny are "store bought" players, just like the Yankees with Sabathia and Burnett- hmmmmmmm    Are the Cardinals trying to "buy" a Championship????

Last time I checked the Cardinals didnt sign a Mark Teixeira for 180 million or Chris Carpenter and Brad Penny for a combined 200 million dollars so no, I dont think the Cardinals are anywhere close to trying to "buy" a championship. 

Decent Move  

#11 | 1261 days ago

 Paid way too much.....
Not Happy  

#12 | 1261 days ago

 Scott wrote:
Considering the Yankees just coughed up 11.75 million on a 1 year contract for Andy Pettite, I'd say the Cardinals made a decent move in getting Brad Penny for just over 7 million.  Penny has a power arm but has problems with consistency.  If he can keep his head on straight then I see no reason why Dave Duncan cant maximize Penny's potential and have him be the 2010 Joel Pineiro
Yep.  Penny is just as reliable as Pettitte.  And now he's $4million cheaper! 
'Salright  

#13 | 1261 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Scott wrote:
Considering the Yankees just coughed up 11.75 million on a 1 year contract for Andy Pettite, I'd say the Cardinals made a decent move in getting Brad Penny for just over 7 million.  Penny has a power arm but has problems with consistency.  If he can keep his head on straight then I see no reason why Dave Duncan cant maximize Penny's potential and have him be the 2010 Joel Pineiro
I would like to see Joel Pineiro be the 2010 Joel Pineiro
Paid too much!  

#14 | 1261 days ago

 BDV4U wrote:
I would like to see Joel Pineiro be the 2010 Joel Pineiro
Not going to happen unless he takes a substantial paycut. Cardinals got Carpenter, Wainwright, Lohse and Penny as the top 4 and more then likely will get Smoltz to be the 5th guy for alot less then what Pineiro will command. Outside of Lackey and Washburn, Pineiro is the best available pitcher in a week free agent position and he'll probably cash in big time somewhere else, following the footsteps of Braden Looper, Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver
Decent Move  

#15 | 1261 days ago

 I wasn't blown away by the move, but I'm coming around on the price tag seeing that it's hard to find solid pitching in general in baseball.  And compared to some others out there, we may have gotten a pretty good deal!
'Salright  

#16 | 1260 days ago

 vindog wrote:
Obviously my post was made to be sarcastic- LOL!   But, if it were the Yankees signing Penny to that contract, you guys would be all over them for spending more money and "trying to buy a Championship"- and that is a FACT!  Funny that 2 of the Top 3 Starters in the Cardinals rotation (now)- Carpenter and Penny are "store bought" players, just like the Yankees with Sabathia and Burnett- hmmmmmmm    Are the Cardinals trying to "buy" a Championship????
Really??  Really??  I kinda like how you're stirring up things..but this buying a championship idea doesn't hold much water.  Carpenter's been a Card for a good while now and we just picked up Penny on the cheap comparatively to most teams who "buy championships".  If we were trying to buy a championship, we'd actually pay Holliday and keep him in the uniform, or we'd try to use our Toronto-to-St. Louis pipeline to get Halladay, or we'd go after a big name.  Maybe you could say we're thrift shopping for a championship!  HA, now that's more like it!
'Salright  

#17 | 1260 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Scott wrote:
Not going to happen unless he takes a substantial paycut. Cardinals got Carpenter, Wainwright, Lohse and Penny as the top 4 and more then likely will get Smoltz to be the 5th guy for alot less then what Pineiro will command. Outside of Lackey and Washburn, Pineiro is the best available pitcher in a week free agent position and he'll probably cash in big time somewhere else, following the footsteps of Braden Looper, Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver
You nailed it on the head with your last line - "following the footsteps of Braden Looper, Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver"! Them, and several others, resurrected their careers under Dave Duncan only to chase the money and fall flat on their faces (add Jason Marquis).

Easy, JL, Vin really IS being sarcastic. There's a Giants fan on Yankee threads trying to talk common sense about revenue sharing and salary caps. Because I also support rational thinking, Mr. Dog is adding a bit of humor to the mix!
Paid too much!  

#18 | 1260 days ago

 BDV4U wrote:
You nailed it on the head with your last line - "following the footsteps of Braden Looper, Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver"! Them, and several others, resurrected their careers under Dave Duncan only to chase the money and fall flat on their faces (add Jason Marquis).

Easy, JL, Vin really IS being sarcastic. There's a Giants fan on Yankee threads trying to talk common sense about revenue sharing and salary caps. Because I also support rational thinking, Mr. Dog is adding a bit of humor to the mix!

I cant fault Jason Marquis for leaving the Cardinals.  He wasnt one of LaRussa or Duncan's favorites and he had his spot in the rotation taken by Jeff Weaver during the pennant chase and the World Series run in 2006.  I dont see him ever coming back here as long as LaRussa and Duncan are in charge

Decent Move  

#19 | 1260 days ago

 Pales in comparison when it's 11.75 for a fourth starter, huh?
Decent Move  

#20 | 1260 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Scott wrote:

I cant fault Jason Marquis for leaving the Cardinals.  He wasnt one of LaRussa or Duncan's favorites and he had his spot in the rotation taken by Jeff Weaver during the pennant chase and the World Series run in 2006.  I dont see him ever coming back here as long as LaRussa and Duncan are in charge

He quickly learned in Colorado, it wasn't just LaRussa/Duncan that kept him off playoff rosters and skipped his starts. LOL

You're right - these other pitchers probably won't return. If success was their motivation, not money, they would take whatever St. Louis had to offer and have decent careers.
Paid too much!  

#21 | 1260 days ago

 BDV4U wrote:
He quickly learned in Colorado, it wasn't just LaRussa/Duncan that kept him off playoff rosters and skipped his starts. LOL

You're right - these other pitchers probably won't return. If success was their motivation, not money, they would take whatever St. Louis had to offer and have decent careers.
You mean when players SAY they go to various teams because "It was my best chance to win" they don't really mean it?  I'm crushed!

I thought Alex Rodriguez took the huge Rangers offer because he felt the Rangers had a great core of players and were poised to become champions!  That it had nothing to do with the money!

And Mike Hamption took Rox money because he was so very impressed with the Denver school system!

Don't tell me that they only went for the bucks!!!
'Salright  

#22 | 1260 days ago

 ML31 wrote:
You mean when players SAY they go to various teams because "It was my best chance to win" they don't really mean it?  I'm crushed!

I thought Alex Rodriguez took the huge Rangers offer because he felt the Rangers had a great core of players and were poised to become champions!  That it had nothing to do with the money!

And Mike Hamption took Rox money because he was so very impressed with the Denver school system!

Don't tell me that they only went for the bucks!!!
I'm usually pretty good at this, don't make fun of me if I'm wrong....That was sarcasm, right?
Decent Move  

#23 | 1260 days ago

 Chief_aka_James wrote:
I'm usually pretty good at this, don't make fun of me if I'm wrong....That was sarcasm, right?
I was responding to BDV4U and yes, it was indeed sarcasm.
'Salright  

#24 | 1260 days ago

 ML31 wrote:
I was responding to BDV4U and yes, it was indeed sarcasm.
You're obviously not as good as I am at this sarcasm thing, ML.
Decent Move  

#25 | 1260 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Chief_aka_James wrote:
You're obviously not as good as I am at this sarcasm thing, ML.
It's from all the fighting with Yankees fans like Dragon & Vindog. He's probably just punch-drunk from all the clutch-n-grab rounds he's had in the ring against those 2.
Paid too much!  

#26 | 1258 days ago
BDV4U (+)

True - you haven't won one yet! LOL
Paid too much!  

#27 | 1230 days ago

 I thought it was an ok acquisiton for one year, he was an alright pitcher in the NL and thats what the cardinals need. They back end rotation guys to come in and let Duncan take him under his wing. The most pressing issue this off-season was to bring back Matt Holliday and show Albert Pujols that you're willing to spend the big bucks to put guys around him, cuz in the end he's the biggest off season objective that thay have while he is there. If i'm in the cardinals organization I'm going full court press on pujols to sign a new contract because i wouldn't want him to get even a whiff of the bags of money that the yankees or the sox would be throwin at him if and when he is a free agent.
'Salright  

#28 | 1230 days ago

 Decent move
Decent Move  

#29 | 1230 days ago

 ajgeorges21 wrote:
I thought it was an ok acquisiton for one year, he was an alright pitcher in the NL and thats what the cardinals need. They back end rotation guys to come in and let Duncan take him under his wing. The most pressing issue this off-season was to bring back Matt Holliday and show Albert Pujols that you're willing to spend the big bucks to put guys around him, cuz in the end he's the biggest off season objective that thay have while he is there. If i'm in the cardinals organization I'm going full court press on pujols to sign a new contract because i wouldn't want him to get even a whiff of the bags of money that the yankees or the sox would be throwin at him if and when he is a free agent.

He will probably end up making less money then if he went out on the free agent market, but there is no doubt in my mind that Albert Pujols will finish his career in a Cardinal uniform

Decent Move  
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#30 | 1195 days ago

 Penny isn't a bad #3 or 4 starter and working with Dave Duncan will be a big plus if he can stay healthy.
Decent Move  


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