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September 11, 2001

Do you believe the Government is withholding information about Sept 11? Or, do you think they have lied to us about what happened on September 11th?

 

 

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24%a. The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful
35%b. They have withheld information
1%c. They have lied to us
0%d. The U.S. actually played a part in September 11th
12%e. Other
17%f. B and C
9%g. B, C, and D
0%h. C and D
1%i. B and D

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#115 | 2617 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

If you are going to insult my country can you at least have the common decency of using spell check before you post?  Also is it too much for you to make sure that the caps lock button isn't on?  Also, not really sure why there is quotation marks around 'attacked' that usually implies that what happened wasn't really attacked.  We were attacked, go to Pearl Harbor and you'll still see the remains of blown up ships.  So let us review what you should do prior to hitting submit comment to your next post:

1.  Check for spelling
2.  Make sure your caps lock is not on.
3.  Research your history to make sure your assumptions are accurate.
4.  Don't over use the quotation marks, it makes you look like an idiot.
5.  Don't be an arrogant elitist jerk speaking lightly about the many lives laid to waste on one of the most horrific days in our countries history. 
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
  
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#1 | 2618 days ago
rootman54 (+)

Im almost as far as going to say B C and D.  I dont think we will ever know what really happened.
B and C  
#2 | 2618 days ago

rootman54 wrote:
Im almost as far as going to say B C and D.  I dont think we will ever know what really happened.

You already do know what happened.

The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#3 | 2618 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Gazzo wrote:

You already do know what happened.

You havent got the slightest clue what really happened.
B, C, and D  
#4 | 2618 days ago

i would imagine they know something they aren't telling us, but i think they've told us the key info.
They have withheld information  
#5 | 2618 days ago

they cannot tell us everything, i don't think i want to know everything. but help me if they did play an active role in it, that would be beyond words.
B and C  
#6 | 2618 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

hummus wrote:
they cannot tell us everything, i don't think i want to know everything. but help me if they did play an active role in it, that would be beyond words.

There is compelling evidence that indicates that not only have we been lied to about it from day one, but George Bush knew about it, and that the United States actually played a part in the attacks. There is overwhelming indisputable evidence that indicates this, believe me I dont want to believe this any more than the average Joe, but it is what it is.

 

   There is so much that just doesnt smell right about the whole thing, its crazy. Just for the record, I don't know wither way for sure. I do know that we have been lied to about it though, this is not even in question.

B, C, and D  
#7 | 2618 days ago
rootman54 (+)

Ive seen a movie from loosechange911.  Thats some pretty hard evidence thee, and whats sad is that most people dont even want to think it could have happened.  But hey, government can be corrupt.

B and C  
#8 | 2618 days ago

Well...this must be quite a conspiracy then.  If there is "overwhelming, indisputable evidence," then that means every major U.S. news outlet and every international news outlet is ignoring this profound evidence (if they aren't, than go ahead and post a source).  Pretty impressive that all of these people are involved in this massive coverup and nothing has been leaked.  Dude, the government has a hard time keeping the line moving at the DMV and you are going to tell me they could pull this off?!?

 

Regardless, if you feel that your own government was even partly involved with the killing of over 3,000 of your countrymen (and women), and you still choose to live in this country despite the fact that "big brother" may snuff you out at any moment...YOU ARE A FREAKING MORON!

Other  
#9 | 2618 days ago

i would think if they were corrupt enough to pull something like this off then the people that know about it wouldnt have been around long enough to leak any credible information
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#10 | 2618 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Shrugging Atlas wrote:

Well...this must be quite a conspiracy then.  If there is "overwhelming, indisputable evidence," then that means every major U.S. news outlet and every international news outlet is ignoring this profound evidence (if they aren't, than go ahead and post a source).  Pretty impressive that all of these people are involved in this massive coverup and nothing has been leaked.  Dude, the government has a hard time keeping the line moving at the DMV and you are going to tell me they could pull this off?!?

 

Regardless, if you feel that your own government was even partly involved with the killing of over 3,000 of your countrymen (and women), and you still choose to live in this country despite the fact that "big brother" may snuff you out at any moment...YOU ARE A FREAKING MORON!

Im far from a moron, my friend. But sometimes I wish I were.

 

There is way too much here for me to type, and I dont feel like typing it out right now. Just believe me when I say I have seen things that can't be easily explained. There is no doubt in my mind that if you were exposed to the same material is me, it would change your point of view drastically.  Ill just give you the tip of the iceberg: Keep in mind, Im just leaving it open for debate, Im honestly not sure what to believe anymore...

 

1) The towers look like the collapsed controlled demolition style, and firefighters have testified that when around the building they heard explosives.

 

2) If you advance frame by frame on the plane crashing into the buildings, it appears as though the plane is not a commercial airliner at all, but has something strapped to its belly.

 

3) The hole that was put into the Pentagon is not consistent with the damage that should have been made by a 757.

 

4) There is a video clip that shows an explosion near the base of the North Tower that is completely unrelated to the collapse of the towers. This video clip was only shown once, and never shown again.

 

5) The Pentagon is the most secure building in the United Stated, the nervous system for the entire United States Military and yet there supposedly is only minor footage of what happened there on 9-11. Also the only other footage was said to have been confiscated by Federal Agents shortly after 9-11.

 

6) Physisists have vehemently opposed the explanations to the collapse of the towers, claiming a steel frame reinforced building should not have collapsed due to a fire of that magnitude.

 

7) If you advance frame by frame on the impact of the planes into the towers, it appears as if there is an ignition just prior to the plane hitting the towers.

 

 Much, much, more....

 

This is the first few of many, but since day 1 I personally always thought it strange that all the men on the planes would allow 4 hijackers with boxcutters to take over the plane and accomplish their mission. They claimed to have a bomb? Ok but who would really believe that they were able to smuggle a bomb on board through airport security?

B, C, and D  
#11 | 2618 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

(Edited by bayareabeast2)
Shrugging Atlas wrote:

Well...this must be quite a conspiracy then.  If there is "overwhelming, indisputable evidence," then that means every major U.S. news outlet and every international news outlet is ignoring this profound evidence (if they aren't, than go ahead and post a source).  Pretty impressive that all of these people are involved in this massive coverup and nothing has been leaked.  Dude, the government has a hard time keeping the line moving at the DMV and you are going to tell me they could pull this off?!?

 

Regardless, if you feel that your own government was even partly involved with the killing of over 3,000 of your countrymen (and women), and you still choose to live in this country despite the fact that "big brother" may snuff you out at any moment...YOU ARE A FREAKING MORON!

And the other thing is, im not afraid of anything. If me trying to open the eyes of my fellow Americans costs me my life, I consider that an honorable death.

 

Once again, Im not saying the Government necessary was involved, I honestly don't know... but what I will say,Im absolutely certain there are inconsistincies and that we have been lied to a great deal about the incident... which brings up another question? Why would they lie to us? What are they hiding?

B, C, and D  
#12 | 2618 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Im far from a moron, my friend. But sometimes I wish I were.

 

There is way too much here for me to type, and I dont feel like typing it out right now. Just believe me when I say I have seen things that can't be easily explained. There is no doubt in my mind that if you were exposed to the same material is me, it would change your point of view drastically.  Ill just give you the tip of the iceberg: Keep in mind, Im just leaving it open for debate, Im honestly not sure what to believe anymore...

 

1) The towers look like the collapsed controlled demolition style, and firefighters have testified that when around the building they heard explosives.

 

2) If you advance frame by frame on the plane crashing into the buildings, it appears as though the plane is not a commercial airliner at all, but has something strapped to its belly.

 

3) The hole that was put into the Pentagon is not consistent with the damage that should have been made by a 757.

 

4) There is a video clip that shows an explosion near the base of the North Tower that is completely unrelated to the collapse of the towers. This video clip was only shown once, and never shown again.

 

5) The Pentagon is the most secure building in the United Stated, the nervous system for the entire United States Military and yet there supposedly is only minor footage of what happened there on 9-11. Also the only other footage was said to have been confiscated by Federal Agents shortly after 9-11.

 

6) Physisists have vehemently opposed the explanations to the collapse of the towers, claiming a steel frame reinforced building should not have collapsed due to a fire of that magnitude.

 

7) If you advance frame by frame on the impact of the planes into the towers, it appears as if there is an ignition just prior to the plane hitting the towers.

 

 Much, much, more....

 

This is the first few of many, but since day 1 I personally always thought it strange that all the men on the planes would allow 4 hijackers with boxcutters to take over the plane and accomplish their mission. They claimed to have a bomb? Ok but who would really believe that they were able to smuggle a bomb on board through airport security?

wow dude, you couldnt link a single reputable news site for any of that info? he technically didnt call you a moron, he just said if you believe that the govt is that bad then why do you still live here... and on your last  paragraph, conventional wisdom about terrorist hijacking airplanes up to that point was that they were just going to use you as trade bait, so the key is not to single yourself out by fighting and be used to make an example of as your chances of being freed in a hostage situation up to that point would be better than having them make an example of you
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#13 | 2618 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

shasta wrote:
wow dude, you couldnt link a single reputable news site for any of that info? he technically didnt call you a moron, he just said if you believe that the govt is that bad then why do you still live here... and on your last  paragraph, conventional wisdom about terrorist hijacking airplanes up to that point was that they were just going to use you as trade bait, so the key is not to single yourself out by fighting and be used to make an example of as your chances of being freed in a hostage situation up to that point would be better than having them make an example of you

I know he didnt call me a moron. But I do think the Government is highly corrupt, and yes I do live here. I never said this isnt the greatest country in the world, but anyone who believes the Government doesnt lie through their teeth is either ignorant or stupid.

 

 

B, C, and D  
#14 | 2618 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
You havent got the slightest clue what really happened.
Let me give you a hand...

Some anti-American psychos flew a couple huge planes into a couple of huge buildings, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans.

I'm pretty sure it's on video, for those of us (you) who are a little slower than the rest...

The reason I say that the government has withheld some information is because I believe that the intelligence agencies know some things that are imperative to the apprehension of the criminals here, but if that information were to be released, it would make them far more difficult to catch. As far as the actual events, what we know to be true is indeed the truth.

To the moron(s) who think the US played a part in 9-11. Please give me one good reason why the US would benefit from this. Just one is all I ask. And don't regurgitate the BS that you already put out there, because that's all unfounded, unproven and undocumented.

Give me facts. Or just shut up, since you clearly have none, and you're nothing but an Iranian wannabe American, who would love to find something wrong with the country that has given you everything you have.
They have withheld information  
#15 | 2618 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I know he didnt call me a moron. But I do think the Government is highly corrupt, and yes I do live here. I never said this isnt the greatest country in the world, but anyone who believes the Government doesnt lie through their teeth is either ignorant or stupid.

 

 

oh they definitly lie, but this is one instance where i dont see the lie, i was watching when the second plane hit, i saw the replay over and over and i dont see what you are talking about it looked like something strapped underneath, or an explosion precontact. secondly i believe that this particular give the feds too much credit in what lengths it would go, and then not enough credit on how far it would then have to go to cover up such a conspiracy...if they are capable enough to do the first then they are more then capable of covering it up, i say they are incapable of either
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#16 | 2618 days ago

*sniff sniff*

I smell a set up...
They have withheld information  
#17 | 2618 days ago

Why is it so hard to believe that we were hit by terrorists?  I would go into further detail but I am tired of fighting with every conspiracy theorist that comes on to this site.  It's pointless.  Just look at what I said to every other post on the same subject it's the same here.  Plain and simple no one can prove a motive in wanting to do this, and btw, the WTC wasn't the only place hit.
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#18 | 2618 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
Let me give you a hand...

Some anti-American psychos flew a couple huge planes into a couple of huge buildings, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans.

I'm pretty sure it's on video, for those of us (you) who are a little slower than the rest...

The reason I say that the government has withheld some information is because I believe that the intelligence agencies know some things that are imperative to the apprehension of the criminals here, but if that information were to be released, it would make them far more difficult to catch. As far as the actual events, what we know to be true is indeed the truth.

To the moron(s) who think the US played a part in 9-11. Please give me one good reason why the US would benefit from this. Just one is all I ask. And don't regurgitate the BS that you already put out there, because that's all unfounded, unproven and undocumented.

Give me facts. Or just shut up, since you clearly have none, and you're nothing but an Iranian wannabe American, who would love to find something wrong with the country that has given you everything you have.

You are so wrong, and not even worth responding to, you're a waste of time and space, but Im gonna go ahead and respond anyways. Why would I want to find something wrong with this country? I love this country and would give my life for it.

 

 You think some low ranking clown like you would know if there was a conspiracy? Sure we can all see that planes flew into the building, but does that mean 100% where they originated or who was in control of them?

 

The United States launched two wars on the basis of the 9-11 attacks, in Afghanistan and in Iraq. I am unable to show you the documentary that a friend of mine showed me the other night, but I may be able to post the source on here for you to see, and at the very least you can see that it sparks controversy and is provocative.

 

The fact that you are trying to make this an issue of race shows what an ignorant, little, piece of crap you really are.

 

And finally, Heres a little phrase for someone who thinks they are ingenius but really is not all that intellectually: "ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE"

For the final time, I will say that I dont know for sure what happened, because Im not gonna sit here and claim that I know for sure. I am just merely pointing out that there are strange discreprencies here, and unexplained occurences. I will search for the documentary that I viewed, so that you can see it and we can see on even ground.

 

This is one case where I actually hope you are right.

B, C, and D  
#19 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
Let me give you a hand...

Some anti-American psychos flew a couple huge planes into a couple of huge buildings, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans.

I'm pretty sure it's on video, for those of us (you) who are a little slower than the rest...

The reason I say that the government has withheld some information is because I believe that the intelligence agencies know some things that are imperative to the apprehension of the criminals here, but if that information were to be released, it would make them far more difficult to catch. As far as the actual events, what we know to be true is indeed the truth.

To the moron(s) who think the US played a part in 9-11. Please give me one good reason why the US would benefit from this. Just one is all I ask. And don't regurgitate the BS that you already put out there, because that's all unfounded, unproven and undocumented.

Give me facts. Or just shut up, since you clearly have none, and you're nothing but an Iranian wannabe American, who would love to find something wrong with the country that has given you everything you have.

Pat I got news for you. You're nowhere near as smart as you think you are. You're the one who needs to shutup, and your attacks on me that come straight out of left field are getting tiresome, stick to the argument objectively without trying to provoke me for a change.

 

I guarantee you wouldnt talk to me like that in person, big boy.

B, C, and D  
#20 | 2617 days ago

LMAO... oh yeah... ummm... I didn't really have anything to say I just found the last post REALLY FREAKIN FUNNY.
They have withheld information  
#21 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
LMAO... oh yeah... ummm... I didn't really have anything to say I just found the last post REALLY FREAKIN FUNNY.

And I find you and your pitiful existence funny.

 

Here we go again, Im getting tag teamed by the faniq couple! You guys are so lame, for real. I created a poll, state some things I have seen that seemed unusual to me, and heres the jerkoff that has something to prove trying to impress his girlfriend then she comes out of the bushes and joins him.

 

Stick to the topic, or leave.

B, C, and D  
#22 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

You are so wrong, and not even worth responding to, you're a waste of time and space, but Im gonna go ahead and respond anyways. Why would I want to find something wrong with this country? I love this country and would give my life for it.

 

 You think some low ranking clown like you would know if there was a conspiracy? Sure we can all see that planes flew into the building, but does that mean 100% where they originated or who was in control of them?

 

The United States launched two wars on the basis of the 9-11 attacks, in Afghanistan and in Iraq. I am unable to show you the documentary that a friend of mine showed me the other night, but I may be able to post the source on here for you to see, and at the very least you can see that it sparks controversy and is provocative.

 

The fact that you are trying to make this an issue of race shows what an ignorant, little, piece of crap you really are.

 

And finally, Heres a little phrase for someone who thinks they are ingenius but really is not all that intellectually: "ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE"

For the final time, I will say that I dont know for sure what happened, because Im not gonna sit here and claim that I know for sure. I am just merely pointing out that there are strange discreprencies here, and unexplained occurences. I will search for the documentary that I viewed, so that you can see it and we can see on even ground.

 

This is one case where I actually hope you are right.

What's your security clearance?  Is it top secret, or higher?  Or are you just speculating that you know more than everyone else though really you are using even less information that even I had while I was in the military with a secret clearance and access to the SIPPER Net.  In any case you are as well informed as the next guy who's brain washed by their own blind hate for common sense.  Your desire to see things out side the box has only distorted your views to the point that you live in a fantasy world.  Sure conspiracy theories are great for writing novels but in the real world hold no water, and are so flawed they stay theories for the next one thousand years.  Only to later be found on some website on urban myths.
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#23 | 2617 days ago

 Anyone who picks choice A should go stick their head back in the sand. While no one here can have any facts, and it's all opinion, asking for facts is pretty funny, as neither side can provide them. As for my opinion, I believe with the intelligence we have, there is no way that could go down without the US knowing about it. The reason they allowed it to happen is for support for the war they needed to do, to protect the oil, the bombings created the typical American response, kill first, ask questions later.
B, C, and D  
#24 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

And I find you and your pitiful existence funny.

 

Here we go again, Im getting tag teamed by the faniq couple! You guys are so lame, for real. I created a poll, state some things I have seen that seemed unusual to me, and heres the jerkoff that has something to prove trying to impress his girlfriend then she comes out of the bushes and joins him.

 

Stick to the topic, or leave.

LMAO... or what?

Nice that you say that America is the "greatest country in the world"... but what would you do if go into Iran??? Or was that just you talking out your @$$ like usual???

Hmmm...
They have withheld information  
#25 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Nate wrote:
What's your security clearance?  Is it top secret, or higher?  Or are you just speculating that you know more than everyone else though really you are using even less information that even I had while I was in the military with a secret clearance and access to the SIPPER Net.  In any case you are as well informed as the next guy who's brain washed by their own blind hate for common sense.  Your desire to see things out side the box has only distorted your views to the point that you live in a fantasy world.  Sure conspiracy theories are great for writing novels but in the real world hold no water, and are so flawed they stay theories for the next one thousand years.  Only to later be found on some website on urban myths.

I dont remember saying I think I know more than anyone else about this issue, just stating some things that need to be addressed, that I might add you and everyone else are unable to do.

B, C, and D  
#26 | 2617 days ago

KSbengals wrote:
 Anyone who picks choice A should go stick their head back in the sand. While no one here can have any facts, and it's all opinion, asking for facts is pretty funny, as neither side can provide them. As for my opinion, I believe with the intelligence we have, there is no way that could go down without the US knowing about it. The reason they allowed it to happen is for support for the war they needed to do, to protect the oil, the bombings created the typical American response, kill first, ask questions later.
So because my opinion differs from yours I need to get my head check, but you on the other hand no that everyone here has opinions, but yours is right?  That doesn't really make any sense.  In any case there are facts, did the government have an involvement in this, the answer is either yes they did, which makes them traders, or no they didn't.  It's not a damn opinion that the WTC and Pentagon was hit, it's not an opinion that 9/11 did happen, it isn't an opinion that someone was involved, these are facts. 
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#27 | 2617 days ago

Hundreds of air traffic controllers working at that time and we have no idea where the planes came from?  Come on, lets use our heads here.
Other  
#28 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
LMAO... or what?

Nice that you say that America is the "greatest country in the world"... but what would you do if go into Iran??? Or was that just you talking out your @$$ like usual???

Hmmm...

 What are you talking about? Are you talking about the time I told you that if there was an unprovoked assault on either of these countries that I would join the military?

 

Am I wrong for that?

 

B, C, and D  
#29 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

 What are you talking about? Are you talking about the time I told you that if there was an unprovoked assault on either of these countries that I would join the military?

 

Am I wrong for that?

 

No... you said that if we invaded Iran that you would go join their military and fight against the United States.

Yes... you are wrong for that. I'm Irish... if we needed to invade Ireland because it was swarming with terrorist I would say... go get the bad guys!!!
They have withheld information  
#30 | 2617 days ago

BTW... Ryan has had that headline for like a week...
They have withheld information  
#31 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I dont remember saying I think I know more than anyone else about this issue, just stating some things that need to be addressed, that I might add you and everyone else are unable to do.

Maybe I didn't address those things because I believe it is a load of crock and don't deserve an ounce of my time.  I do find it funny out of the thousands of people actually on the ground at the world trade center that survived, or the people on the planes that past that day, none of them mentioned once that there was a controlled detonation (by the way pretty loud, I have seen quite a few and C4 leaves a great smell in the air).  Nor did anyone say that there was something strapped to there plane.  If you have ever flown you would know you do see your plane before you load.  I am sure someone would say, hmm that looks like a bomb.  Nothing was ever mentioned out of the ordinary.  Well other than some jets flying into the world trade center, and a few cell phone calls that weren't supposed to be made in mid flight about the plane being hijacked.
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#32 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

(Edited by bayareabeast2)
Natasha wrote:
No... you said that if we invaded Iran that you would go join their military and fight against the United States.

Yes... you are wrong for that. I'm Irish... if we needed to invade Ireland because it was swarming with terrorist I would say... go get the bad guys!!!

Ok now I remember that. First of all, no terrorist attacks have been linked to Iran, and if the cause for attacking Iran was just and honorable, I would condone it. I was talking about an unprovoked assault, I do have half of my family who currently still resides in Tehran. I was thinking about them. (Not that one man would make a difference in any war, but what would my family think of me). This is what I was talking about.

 

Of course I agree with the "Lets go get the bad guys mentality". I agree with the invasion of the Taliban and Iraq, both. I believe ousting Saddam from power, while tragically costing the lives of thousand of people, was absolutely necessary and potentially did more good than harm.

B, C, and D  
#33 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
So because my opinion differs from yours I need to get my head check, but you on the other hand no that everyone here has opinions, but yours is right?  That doesn't really make any sense.  In any case there are facts, did the government have an involvement in this, the answer is either yes they did, which makes them traders, or no they didn't.  It's not a damn opinion that the WTC and Pentagon was hit, it's not an opinion that 9/11 did happen, it isn't an opinion that someone was involved, these are facts. 

 No opinion can be right or wrong, you simply state what you think. My comment about getting your head out of the sand is based on the overall government, that if you think our government doesn't with hold information, then your a fool. Again, fool, as in my opinion, I think your wrong, but you might be right and I'm the fool.

 

 I believe everything is corrupt, from the oil companies lining the pockets of so many people, that our government would allow this to happen, to gain the support to go protect the oil. I might be wrong, maybe every politician is really in politics because they really care about you and me.

B, C, and D  
#34 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Nate wrote:
Maybe I didn't address those things because I believe it is a load of crock and don't deserve an ounce of my time.  I do find it funny out of the thousands of people actually on the ground at the world trade center that survived, or the people on the planes that past that day, none of them mentioned once that there was a controlled detonation (by the way pretty loud, I have seen quite a few and C4 leaves a great smell in the air).  Nor did anyone say that there was something strapped to there plane.  If you have ever flown you would know you do see your plane before you load.  I am sure someone would say, hmm that looks like a bomb.  Nothing was ever mentioned out of the ordinary.  Well other than some jets flying into the world trade center, and a few cell phone calls that weren't supposed to be made in mid flight about the plane being hijacked.
I just watched a two hour documentary the other night that you need to see. Then we will see what you have to say. I agreed with what you are saying 100%, until I watched this. I will find the source, and post it on here asap. People need to see this, at the very least it is interesting.
B, C, and D  
#35 | 2617 days ago

KSbengals wrote:

 No opinion can be right or wrong, you simply state what you think. My comment about getting your head out of the sand is based on the overall government, that if you think our government doesn't with hold information, then your a fool. Again, fool, as in my opinion, I think your wrong, but you might be right and I'm the fool.

 

 I believe everything is corrupt, from the oil companies lining the pockets of so many people, that our government would allow this to happen, to gain the support to go protect the oil. I might be wrong, maybe every politician is really in politics because they really care about you and me.

I don't believe the government is always forthcoming no government is, but I don't see how Sep 11 helped anyone in our government in anyway.  The amount of oil coming to our country hasn't exactly increased, and OPEC is charging us more per barrel not less.  So the story doesn't add up.  I am a skeptic usually, which is why this whole conspiracy theory is getting my ridicule, because it's so far fetched and asinine that it would never work.  To think that President Bush is an idiot and then to think he was able to pay some Arabic guy money to hijack a plane and kill himself so that we would enter his country and kill his his people, get our sworn enemy Osama Bin Laden to agree to say he did it, so that he would lose his only safe haven in the world and we would track him endlessly so we can have his head on a platter like a modern day John the Baptist is about as absurd a belief as I ever heard.
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#36 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Nate wrote:
I don't believe the government is always forthcoming no government is, but I don't see how Sep 11 helped anyone in our government in anyway.  The amount of oil coming to our country hasn't exactly increased, and OPEC is charging us more per barrel not less.  So the story doesn't add up.  I am a skeptic usually, which is why this whole conspiracy theory is getting my ridicule, because it's so far fetched and asinine that it would never work.  To think that President Bush is an idiot and then to think he was able to pay some Arabic guy money to hijack a plane and kill himself so that we would enter his country and kill his his people, get our sworn enemy Osama Bin Laden to agree to say he did it, so that he would lose his only safe haven in the world and we would track him endlessly so we can have his head on a platter like a modern day John the Baptist is about as absurd a belief as I ever heard.

The argument you have just presented is merely ONE possible way the whole thing could have gone down.

 

On the basis of the Sept 11 attacks, Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, did he not?

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#37 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
I don't believe the government is always forthcoming no government is, but I don't see how Sep 11 helped anyone in our government in anyway.  The amount of oil coming to our country hasn't exactly increased, and OPEC is charging us more per barrel not less.  So the story doesn't add up.  I am a skeptic usually, which is why this whole conspiracy theory is getting my ridicule, because it's so far fetched and asinine that it would never work.  To think that President Bush is an idiot and then to think he was able to pay some Arabic guy money to hijack a plane and kill himself so that we would enter his country and kill his his people, get our sworn enemy Osama Bin Laden to agree to say he did it, so that he would lose his only safe haven in the world and we would track him endlessly so we can have his head on a platter like a modern day John the Baptist is about as absurd a belief as I ever heard.

 I don't think Bush had anything to do with it, like hiring someone to fly the plane. What I believe, with all the intelligence we have, and we can monitor everyone and everything. I just can't believe that all these known terrorist could all fly at the same time, and we don't know something is going on. The government just let it happen, knowing they would gain the support for the war.

 

 The oil prices are has high as they are, because they aren't being monitored by the government, because the more that can be charged, the more the oil companies pay off politicians with. Why do you think stuff like electric cars have never taken off? My answer, oil companies pay to much money to block it.

B, C, and D  
#38 | 2617 days ago

(Edited by Nate)
bayareabeast2 wrote:

The argument you have just presented is merely ONE possible way the whole thing could have gone down.

 

On the basis of the Sept 11 attacks, Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, did he not?

The result of September 11th doesn't necessarily become the motive.  Just like the long standing relationship with the Bin Laden family has had with the US Government doesn't mean we have been long standing friends with Bin Laden.  I am sure Charles Manson's parents had friends that didn't have any association with their family.  I could link anyone to anything I desire, just by association to something else.  It's all speculative.  What is it the rule of 10?  Where everyone is connected through at least 10 people, with the government that number is significantly reduced though because of the number of world wide acquaintances our country has.
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#39 | 2617 days ago

KSbengals wrote:

 I don't think Bush had anything to do with it, like hiring someone to fly the plane. What I believe, with all the intelligence we have, and we can monitor everyone and everything. I just can't believe that all these known terrorist could all fly at the same time, and we don't know something is going on. The government just let it happen, knowing they would gain the support for the war.

 

 The oil prices are has high as they are, because they aren't being monitored by the government, because the more that can be charged, the more the oil companies pay off politicians with. Why do you think stuff like electric cars have never taken off? My answer, oil companies pay to much money to block it.

I don't think they were "known" terrorists at the time.  They became known when their cover was blown with the airplanes.  Also remember all the holes that our national security had prior to this?  Don't think our enemies knew about those before the general public did.  This didn't happen on the spur of the moment this was planned for a long time.
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#40 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
I just watched a two hour documentary the other night that you need to see. Then we will see what you have to say. I agreed with what you are saying 100%, until I watched this. I will find the source, and post it on here asap. People need to see this, at the very least it is interesting.
Who made it?? Michael Moore?
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#41 | 2617 days ago

The collapse of the World Trade Center was a surprise to many structural engineersWhile no skyscraper had ever before completely collapsed due to fire or other local damage, three skyscrapers collapsed on September 11, 2001. The challenge for engineers was then to explain how the local damage caused by the airplanes (or, in the case of WTC 7, falling debris) was able to occasion a global progressive collapse. After an intensive three-year investigation, the National Institute of Standards and Technology published an account that has been largely accepted in the engineering community. The official collapse mechanism refers only to the aircraft impacts and the subsequent fires, which are taken to have caused sufficient structural damage to occasion the collapses. Conspiracy theorists emphasize that the only precedents for global collapse before 9/11 are controlled demolitions, and demand a more thorough investigation of this possibility.

The controlled demolition hypothesis plays a central, albeit not essential, role in the 9/11 conspiracy theories Jeff King and Jim Hoffman were early defenders of the controlled demolition hypothesis and published their observations onlineDavid Ray Griffin included the theory in his book The New Pearl Harbor. It received its most notable proponent to date in early 2006, when Steven E. Jones, a physicist at Brigham Young University, argued that a "gravity driven collapse" without demolition charges would defy the laws of physics.

There is a range of opinion about the most likely sort and amount of explosives, the way they were distributed, and how they were successfully brought into the building. Some conspiracy theorists propose a regular controlled demolition, in which the role of the demolition charges would have been to remove the main structural supports in order to let gravity and the weight of the building do the rest. Steven Jones believes that the molten metal found underground weeks after 9/11 proves that jet fuel could not have been the only incendiary used that day, and that thermite (thermate), perhaps in combination with other devices, was likely involved. Critics often argue that the difficulty of preparing the building for demolition without being noticed makes controlled demolition implausible. Proponents sometimes cite reports of what they believe are unusual power outages, maintenance work and emergency drills in the weeks leading up to September 11, 2001

There is widespread agreement, however, about the significance of the controlled demolition hypothesis, even among those who do not endorse it specifically or conspiracy theories in general.

#42 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
I don't think they were "known" terrorists at the time.  They became known when their cover was blown with the airplanes.  Also remember all the holes that our national security had prior to this?  Don't think our enemies knew about those before the general public did.  This didn't happen on the spur of the moment this was planned for a long time.
 The planned for a long time to me supports my reasoning, imo, the fact that we couldn't get any information on this with all the bribes, and payoffs to people to sell out others, not to mention we can monitor everyone we choose too. Also, if I remember correctly, there were a lot of known terrorist that were involved, but I could be very wrong on that.
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#43 | 2617 days ago

KSbengals wrote:
 The planned for a long time to me supports my reasoning, imo, the fact that we couldn't get any information on this with all the bribes, and payoffs to people to sell out others, not to mention we can monitor everyone we choose too. Also, if I remember correctly, there were a lot of known terrorist that were involved, but I could be very wrong on that.
To be looking for someone you have to suspect something.  I don't think anyone had a clue it was going to happen.
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#44 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
Who made it?? Michael Moore?
Someone a lot smarter than you, but thats not saying much I guess.
B, C, and D  
#45 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
To be looking for someone you have to suspect something.  I don't think anyone had a clue it was going to happen.
 Shouldn't we expect everyone of everything, just to be safe?
B, C, and D  
#46 | 2617 days ago

KSbengals wrote:
 Shouldn't we expect everyone of everything, just to be safe?
I agree, too bad we weren't doing that before though huh?
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#47 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
Someone a lot smarter than you, but thats not saying much I guess.
Well... considering I outscored you on an IQ test... you are only putting yourself down!!

OH, but I guess you forgot about that.... how many points higher than you was I anyway?? Was it 8... or 10?? Hmmm...
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#48 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

I found this,which supports the video I saw...

 

 

Claims that the Pentagon was hit by something significantly smaller than a Boeing 757(typically a missile or smaller aircraft) have been raised by some conspiracy theorists based on photographs in which there appears to be a lack of expected debris or pieces of a commercial aircraft within the immediate impact area, and what some believe is a lack of damage to the building and the lawn. Conspiracy theorists say the first person to suggest that a missile hit the Pentagon was Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in an interview on October 12, 2001 which helped set up this claim. Subsequently, Thierry Messan in his book 9/11 gave this claim much more visibility. He also advanced the idea with his website Hunt the Boeing! and the popular internet videos Loosew Change and "911 Change Of Loose.". A likely cause of these ideas, some say, was the initial scarcity of documentation of the attack. At first the only evidence available consisted of long distance photographs and video footage taken after the attack, eyewitness testimony from individuals at the scene, and five video frames captured by a security camera which were released on March 8 2002. A large amount of evidence was later released after the Zacarias Massaoui trial and several Freedom Of Information Act requests.

Debris from Flight 77 scattered near the Pentagon.
Debris from Flight 77 scattered near the Pentagon.

Suspicions were additionally fueled by a lack of video footage of the impact of the jetliner, since many assume that the Pentagon must be subject to intense camera surveillance for security reasons. In addition to the Pentagon's own security cameras, these people also noted that security camera footage from a nearby Citgo gas station and from the Virginia Department of Transportation was swiftly confiscated by the US government. On May 16th 2006, the security camera footage was released as part of a Judicial Watch's FOIA request However, due to a low number of frames per second, the videos do not clearly show the impact of the plane, only the approach of the plane (at an angle) and the explosion cloud, thus keeping the "no Boeing" theory popular. In addition to the security cam footage, the Citgo footage was released on September 15, 2006, but did not show the attacks. The Doubletree hotel, located nearby in Crystal City, Virginia also had a security camera video, and on December 4th, 2006 the FBI released the video in response to a freedom of information lawsuit filed by Scott Bingham No plane can be seen entering the Pentagon since the camera was mounted on a lower point on the Doubletree Hotel and an elevated highway obstructs the view of the Pentagon

A few conspiracy theorists also consider pilot Charles Burlingame as a "prime suspect" in the conspiracy. In response to these accusations and the Loose Change video, his sister, Debra, remarked "The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred.... They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world. They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars."

The Pentagon "no Boeing" theory constitutes a controversial issue, even among conspiracy theorists, many of whom have said that this claim is "disproved" by hundreds of eyewitnesses and physical evidence, suggesting it is disinformation to create a supposedly easily discredited straw man argument. Several researchers have argued that the wings would cause less damage than the plane's main body, that photographs of large amounts of wreckage and debris matching a 757 have become available, that the appearance of the size of the hole is typically misrepresented; and that the actual fuselage diameter of 12 feet is a much more relevant dimension for the deepest parts of the hole than the overall 44-foot height of the 757's tail. They also emphasize reports from numerous eyewitnesses, including commuters on nearby roads nearby apartment buildings, and other surrounding locations. Many witnesses saw the aircraft close up as it approached the Pentagon and described it as an American Airlines Boeing 757. The evidence is too compelling to be dismissed.

B, C, and D  
#49 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
Well... considering I outscored you on an IQ test... you are only putting yourself down!!

OH, but I guess you forgot about that.... how many points higher than you was I anyway?? Was it 8... or 10?? Hmmm...

Lets see here, you picked the test, I scored a 131 on it, and Im supposed to believe you have an iq of 140?

 

The more plausible explanation to me is that you chose a test, took it many times, filtered out your mistakes until you knew the answers, and finally hit a 140.

 

Im not ashamed to have an iq of 130. Thats in the "gifted" range.

B, C, and D  
#50 | 2617 days ago

(Edited by Natasha)
bayareabeast2 wrote:

Lets see here, you picked the test, I scored a 131 on it, and Im supposed to believe you have an iq of 140?

 

The more plausible explanation to me is that you chose a test, took it many times, filtered out your mistakes until you knew the answers, and finally hit a 140.

 

Im not ashamed to have an iq of 130. Thats in the "gifted" range.

right... since I was on IM with you for hours... and I was secretly taking an IQ test with over a hundred questions until I perfected my score... riiiiiigt. Your explanation is perfectly logical to me...
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#51 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
To be looking for someone you have to suspect something.  I don't think anyone had a clue it was going to happen.
A-Q did try to knock the building down with a truck bomb a few years prior...Remember the blind cleric who was up on charges?  I can't believe the government didn't see the Towers as a target after that.
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#52 | 2617 days ago

JBrenn wrote:
A-Q did try to knock the building down with a truck bomb a few years prior...Remember the blind cleric who was up on charges?  I can't believe the government didn't see the Towers as a target after that.
Yeah, and almost 10 years later to the day someone did.  See how Americans are getting now, they want it to stop.  We must have too many pot smokers here because people have the shortest memories.
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#53 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

(Edited by bayareabeast2)
Natasha wrote:
right... since I was on IM with you for hours... and I was secretly taking an IQ test with over a hundred questions until I perfected my score... riiiiiigt. Your explanation is perfectly logical to me...

 You dont have to admit anything on here, but just ask yourself: Is he right?

 

We both know I am. When I offered to choose the test, you refused. 140 is genius. I legitimately scored a 131. I dont think you're a genius, matter of fact I know you're not.

 

You "completed" the test way too quickly, I suspected BS from the beginning, I just didnt say anything.

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#54 | 2617 days ago

I've seen the documentary that beast is talking about. It was kind of like watching the X-Files, a lot of fancy ideas but not much substance. I kept expecting Michael Moore to pop his head into it and start spewing his anti-american rhetoric at me again.
B and C  
#55 | 2617 days ago

Wahtever details the government has withheld from us would be because of national security issues and maybe to avoid looking foolish due to the lack of communication between the different intelligence agencies. Quite likely, had Clinton not dismantled our intelligence agencies to the point of incompetence, this entire oredeal may have been avoided.
B and C  
#56 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

 You dont have to admit anything on here, but just ask yourself: Is he right?

 

We both know I am. When I offered to choose the test, you refused. 140 is genius. I legitimately scored a 131. I dont think you're a genius, matter of fact I know you're not.

 

You "completed" the test way too quickly, I suspected BS from the beginning, I just didnt say anything.

you both realize that online IQ test are highly inaccurate right?
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#57 | 2617 days ago

(Edited by Natasha)
bayareabeast2 wrote:

 You dont have to admit anything on here, but just ask yourself: Is he right?

 

We both know I am. When I offered to choose the test, you refused. 140 is genius. I legitimately scored a 131. I dont think you're a genius, matter of fact I know you're not.

 

You "completed" the test way too quickly, I suspected BS from the beginning, I just didnt say anything.

I didn't get a 140... nor did you get a 131... you got a 12something and I got like a 136... I'm sure I still have both of our results in my gmail account.

But anyways... I don't claim to be a genius... I did however graduate from college with honors at 20... after testing out of 6 classes... so I'm no dummy. In fact, I'm a lot smarter than people give me credit for because I'm a "cute girl"... you on the other hand are in your upper 20's and are a "gambler"... who bet and won with MY picks for a solid 4 months... and are a student besides that... you talk big Nima... but you don't add up.
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#58 | 2617 days ago

(Edited by Natasha)
shasta wrote:
you both realize that online IQ test are highly inaccurate right?
I don't really care what I scored... the point I was making when we took the test was that he isn't as smart as he claims. He calls himself a genius and tells everyone that he's SOOO much smarter than they are, So while we were on YIM he said he was smarter than me and I said...  lets take an IQ test, googled IQ Test and we took the first free one. It took him over an hour... I would bet anything he was trying to find a way to cheat although he SAID he was busy watching a game. I finished it and he hadn't gotten through half of it for one reason or another.

Anyways... the point is... he's full of it. I might not be a genius but I'm a hell of a lot smarter than that fool. So yeah, I'm not really worried about how accurate they are because I'm not the one who has to go around trying to convince everyone of my intelligence.
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#59 | 2617 days ago

Are you trying to tell me that with the amount of people that hate this administration so much...nobody would have leaked this information or provided a credible source???  There are some people here with their "head in the sand" and it isn't the people who think we were attacked by Islamofascists that hijacked planes and rammed them into buildings.

 

My thought to leave this pitiful debate is this: All of this ridiculous conjecture and phony conspiracy rhetoric is a tool by the "hate-America" crowd to divert people's eyes from the real threat to all Western Civilization.  Once again, that threat is Islamofascism.  It is sad to see so many people buying into it.

Other  
#60 | 2617 days ago

(Edited by KSbengals)
Natasha wrote:
I don't really care what I scored... the point I was making when we took the test was that he isn't as smart as he claims. He calls himself a genius and tells everyone that he's SOOO much smarter than they are, So while we were on YIM he said he was smarter than me and I said...  lets take an IQ test, googled IQ Test and we took the first free one. It took him over an hour... I would bet anything he was trying to find a way to cheat although he SAID he was busy watching a game. I finished it and he hadn't gotten through half of it for one reason or another.

Anyways... the point is... he's full of it. I might not be a genius but I'm a hell of a lot smarter than that fool. So yeah, I'm not really worried about how accurate they are because I'm not the one who has to go around trying to convince everyone of my intelligence.

 People who try and convince others how smart they are, aren't very smart to start with.

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#61 | 2617 days ago
Anthonyg7575 (+)

(Edited by Anthonyg7575)
Natasha wrote:
right... since I was on IM with you for hours... and I was secretly taking an IQ test with over a hundred questions until I perfected my score... riiiiiigt. Your explanation is perfectly logical to me...
Sounds like another conspiracy theory. That can be for another poll.
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#62 | 2617 days ago

You want the truth?  You can't handle the truth!!
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#63 | 2617 days ago

Anthonyg7575 wrote:
Sounds like another conspiracy theory. That can be for another poll.
EVERYTHING is a conspiracy theory...
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#64 | 2617 days ago

I have no respect for anyone who thinks the US govt. flew planes into those towers. I'll leave it at that. That is just plain idiotic. Sorry, but it is.

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#65 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

You are so wrong, and not even worth responding to, you're a waste of time and space, but Im gonna go ahead and respond anyways. Why would I want to find something wrong with this country? I love this country and would give my life for it.

 

 You think some low ranking clown like you would know if there was a conspiracy? Sure we can all see that planes flew into the building, but does that mean 100% where they originated or who was in control of them?

 

The United States launched two wars on the basis of the 9-11 attacks, in Afghanistan and in Iraq. I am unable to show you the documentary that a friend of mine showed me the other night, but I may be able to post the source on here for you to see, and at the very least you can see that it sparks controversy and is provocative.

 

The fact that you are trying to make this an issue of race shows what an ignorant, little, piece of crap you really are.

 

And finally, Heres a little phrase for someone who thinks they are ingenius but really is not all that intellectually: "ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE"

For the final time, I will say that I dont know for sure what happened, because Im not gonna sit here and claim that I know for sure. I am just merely pointing out that there are strange discreprencies here, and unexplained occurences. I will search for the documentary that I viewed, so that you can see it and we can see on even ground.

 

This is one case where I actually hope you are right.

I'm wrong? Prove it. Never mind...you CAN'T. You have NO proof of anything that you claim here. Everyone else has proof, since we've all seen video evidence of these occurrences. You're the one who refuses to believe what you've seen with your own eyes.

You make fun of my rank (which you don't even know, btw), and yet your rank is...nothing at all. You have no clearance, no access whatsoever to classified materials, no valid sources whatsoever beyond whatever some psycho conspiracy theorist wants you to believe. And somehow, even though you're supposedly so intelligent, you still are gullible enough to fall for this ridiculous crap. Kinda makes me (and a lot of other people) question this intelligence that you claim to have so much of.

Once again...tell me how the US BENEFITS from those attacks. How did they benefit from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? It has swayed public opinion away from the former majority party (Republicans), and it has cost thousands of American lives, as well as a ton of money. How does that REALLY benefit anyone?

Absence of evidence may not mean evidence of absence, but what about the PRESENCE of evidence? You conveniently disregard all of the clear evidence before your eyes, and choose to believe in ridiculous theories that make no logical sense whatsoever.

You're right...you're NOT sure what happened. And your "strange discrepancies" aren't really true discrepancies. How many planes of that size have crashed into buildings like the Pentagon and the WTC? How do those scientists TRULY know exactly what the damage would be? They don't. They can do the calculations all they want, but the slightest variables can throw it off a lot, and that doesn't automatically mean there's something shady going on.

It's people like you who think you know so damn much that you overthink everything, and in the end, you end up knowing nothing. It's really sad. I hope that someday you can get your head screwed on straight, and stop being ridiculous about this, and pretty much everything else.
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#66 | 2617 days ago

(Edited by Flousc)
Shrugging Atlas wrote:

Are you trying to tell me that with the amount of people that hate this administration so much...nobody would have leaked this information or provided a credible source???  There are some people here with their "head in the sand" and it isn't the people who think we were attacked by Islamofascists that hijacked planes and rammed them into buildings.

 

My thought to leave this pitiful debate is this: All of this ridiculous conjecture and phony conspiracy rhetoric is a tool by the "hate-America" crowd to divert people's eyes from the real threat to all Western Civilization.  Once again, that threat is Islamofascism.  It is sad to see so many people buying into it.

Rosie already did, in her crazy ass mind and those people who listen to her. Oh yeah, and Michael Moore. Gotta love people who make those two feel like they and their words actually mean something because they actually listen to the garbage that comes out of their mouths. People that can't think for themselves are useless.
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#67 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
I didn't get a 140... nor did you get a 131... you got a 12something and I got like a 136... I'm sure I still have both of our results in my gmail account.

But anyways... I don't claim to be a genius... I did however graduate from college with honors at 20... after testing out of 6 classes... so I'm no dummy. In fact, I'm a lot smarter than people give me credit for because I'm a "cute girl"... you on the other hand are in your upper 20's and are a "gambler"... who bet and won with MY picks for a solid 4 months... and are a student besides that... you talk big Nima... but you don't add up.

???? You're either the biggest liar Ive ever known, or an absolute moron, or a combination of both.

 

I bet on your picks and won for 4 months????? Are you delusional??? You're an absolute imbecile. Most of the time, I was just tracking your college picks, and you were up and down. You think you are smarter than me? I balk at you. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think...You're the one who brought up that ridiculous IQ test in the first place.

 

It was your suggestion to take it, not mine.

B, C, and D  
#68 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
I'm wrong? Prove it. Never mind...you CAN'T. You have NO proof of anything that you claim here. Everyone else has proof, since we've all seen video evidence of these occurrences. You're the one who refuses to believe what you've seen with your own eyes.

You make fun of my rank (which you don't even know, btw), and yet your rank is...nothing at all. You have no clearance, no access whatsoever to classified materials, no valid sources whatsoever beyond whatever some psycho conspiracy theorist wants you to believe. And somehow, even though you're supposedly so intelligent, you still are gullible enough to fall for this ridiculous crap. Kinda makes me (and a lot of other people) question this intelligence that you claim to have so much of.

Once again...tell me how the US BENEFITS from those attacks. How did they benefit from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? It has swayed public opinion away from the former majority party (Republicans), and it has cost thousands of American lives, as well as a ton of money. How does that REALLY benefit anyone?

Absence of evidence may not mean evidence of absence, but what about the PRESENCE of evidence? You conveniently disregard all of the clear evidence before your eyes, and choose to believe in ridiculous theories that make no logical sense whatsoever.

You're right...you're NOT sure what happened. And your "strange discrepancies" aren't really true discrepancies. How many planes of that size have crashed into buildings like the Pentagon and the WTC? How do those scientists TRULY know exactly what the damage would be? They don't. They can do the calculations all they want, but the slightest variables can throw it off a lot, and that doesn't automatically mean there's something shady going on.

It's people like you who think you know so damn much that you overthink everything, and in the end, you end up knowing nothing. It's really sad. I hope that someday you can get your head screwed on straight, and stop being ridiculous about this, and pretty much everything else.

I dont know how many times I have to tell you that I don't believe it one way or another, just leaving it open for discussion.

 

FOR THE 5TH FING TIME, I DONT CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

B, C, and D  
#69 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
I didn't get a 140... nor did you get a 131... you got a 12something and I got like a 136... I'm sure I still have both of our results in my gmail account.

But anyways... I don't claim to be a genius... I did however graduate from college with honors at 20... after testing out of 6 classes... so I'm no dummy. In fact, I'm a lot smarter than people give me credit for because I'm a "cute girl"... you on the other hand are in your upper 20's and are a "gambler"... who bet and won with MY picks for a solid 4 months... and are a student besides that... you talk big Nima... but you don't add up.

I know how why gambling is relevant to any of this... would someone intelligent use that against me? I use it as side income, my knowledge of sports and card games, and I don't see how this has any bearing whatsoever on intelligence.

 

You on the other hand, are a pathological liar. You may be able to pull the blanket over everyone elses eyes, but I see right through you Natasha, and Im certain others do as well.

B, C, and D  
#70 | 2617 days ago

Pat wrote:
I'm wrong? Prove it. Never mind...you CAN'T. You have NO proof of anything that you claim here. Everyone else has proof, since we've all seen video evidence of these occurrences. You're the one who refuses to believe what you've seen with your own eyes.

You make fun of my rank (which you don't even know, btw), and yet your rank is...nothing at all. You have no clearance, no access whatsoever to classified materials, no valid sources whatsoever beyond whatever some psycho conspiracy theorist wants you to believe. And somehow, even though you're supposedly so intelligent, you still are gullible enough to fall for this ridiculous crap. Kinda makes me (and a lot of other people) question this intelligence that you claim to have so much of.

Once again...tell me how the US BENEFITS from those attacks. How did they benefit from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? It has swayed public opinion away from the former majority party (Republicans), and it has cost thousands of American lives, as well as a ton of money. How does that REALLY benefit anyone?

Absence of evidence may not mean evidence of absence, but what about the PRESENCE of evidence? You conveniently disregard all of the clear evidence before your eyes, and choose to believe in ridiculous theories that make no logical sense whatsoever.

You're right...you're NOT sure what happened. And your "strange discrepancies" aren't really true discrepancies. How many planes of that size have crashed into buildings like the Pentagon and the WTC? How do those scientists TRULY know exactly what the damage would be? They don't. They can do the calculations all they want, but the slightest variables can throw it off a lot, and that doesn't automatically mean there's something shady going on.

It's people like you who think you know so damn much that you overthink everything, and in the end, you end up knowing nothing. It's really sad. I hope that someday you can get your head screwed on straight, and stop being ridiculous about this, and pretty much everything else.
feel better? lol.

perhaps we should all take a break and go visit one of the sports movie polls
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#71 | 2617 days ago
rootman54 (+)

hummus wrote:
feel better? lol.

perhaps we should all take a break and go visit one of the sports movie polls
lol which one?
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#72 | 2617 days ago

rootman54 wrote:
lol which one?
mine of course ;p
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#73 | 2617 days ago
rootman54 (+)

hummus wrote:
mine of course ;p

http://www.faniq.com/poll_results.php?poll_id=109449

thats another one, just created, not by me though, it might be the best so far

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#74 | 2617 days ago

rootman54 wrote:

http://www.faniq.com/poll_results.php?poll_id=109449

thats another one, just created, not by me though, it might be the best so far

Mine's better.
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#75 | 2617 days ago
rootman54 (+)

Pat wrote: Well, it does have more thumbs up lol.  You should add the poll from Flousc to it
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#76 | 2617 days ago

rootman54 wrote:

http://www.faniq.com/poll_results.php?poll_id=109449

thats another one, just created, not by me though, it might be the best so far

actually mine was missing some pretty damn good movies, but I swear it didn't come up on the previous poll list ! :D
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#77 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I dont know how many times I have to tell you that I don't believe it one way or another, just leaving it open for discussion.

 

FOR THE 5TH FING TIME, I DONT CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

Based on your answer, the government withheld information, lied to us, and the U.S. actually played a part in September 11th.

And since YOU'RE the one who created the answer choices, I can only assume you chose the ones that directly reflect your opinions on the issue.

Looks to me like you flip flop worse than John Kerry. If you didn't really have an opinion on this one way or another, than a) why did you creat such an opinionated poll on it in the first place, and b) why are you telling everyone who disagrees with you that they have no idea what happened, when you have no clue yourself, nor do you have any clue what they do or don't know?

It looks to me like you really don't know a damn thing, but you want to just try to tell other people how dumb they are, even though you don't have a clue yourself.
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#78 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I know how why gambling is relevant to any of this... would someone intelligent use that against me? I use it as side income, my knowledge of sports and card games, and I don't see how this has any bearing whatsoever on intelligence.

 

You on the other hand, are a pathological liar. You may be able to pull the blanket over everyone elses eyes, but I see right through you Natasha, and Im certain others do as well.

Oh yeah?? What's your main income then?? Oh wait... it using a program to add people on myspace to your buddies gambling site!?!
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#79 | 2617 days ago
rootman54 (+)

(Edited by rootman54)
hummus wrote:
actually mine was missing some pretty damn good movies, but I swear it didn't come up on the previous poll list ! :D
Yours was made a very long time ago though wasnt it? I clicked on it from Pats poll to take it and it was closed, but yours at least had alot of movies unlike the first one I took today.  The first of about 4 lol
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#80 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
I didn't get a 140... nor did you get a 131... you got a 12something and I got like a 136... I'm sure I still have both of our results in my gmail account.

But anyways... I don't claim to be a genius... I did however graduate from college with honors at 20... after testing out of 6 classes... so I'm no dummy. In fact, I'm a lot smarter than people give me credit for because I'm a "cute girl"... you on the other hand are in your upper 20's and are a "gambler"... who bet and won with MY picks for a solid 4 months... and are a student besides that... you talk big Nima... but you don't add up.

The statement you made there is absolutely ludicrous, if you really believe I need anyones help to win at gambling, you should go have your head examined (which I would suggest anyways, regardless)

 

I cant believe you're nerve, and Im seriously laughing right now at your distorted perception of yourself. Who needs your help? Someone who sits here and doesn't know a damn thing about professional sports, ok so you were lucky from time to time on college and I made a few thousand one week, so what. My point is, you need to step back and take a serious look at what you are claiming... because your affirmations about me are clearly distorted by your anger.

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#81 | 2617 days ago

rootman54 wrote:
Yours was made a very long time ago though wasnt it? I clicked on it from Pats poll to take it and it was closed, but yours at least had alot of movies unlike the first one I took today.  The first of about 4 lol
lol, i would be curious to see what the first one was, mine was on Feb 21 this year so I doubt I was the first. Mine was missing some really good movies though, i think i was missing Rudy. It's all in good fun :)
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#82 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
Oh yeah?? What's your main income then?? Oh wait... it using a program to add people on myspace to your buddies gambling site!?!

The bottom line is I get by just fine supporting myself in one of the nicest areas in the world, and I don't need anyones help, and I am pursuing my educational goals in the meantime. Maybe I didnt graduate college at age 20, but I will at age 27. Im not complaining, ive lived it up enough in my 20's, I have no regrets. Better late than never.

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#83 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
Oh yeah?? What's your main income then?? Oh wait... it using a program to add people on myspace to your buddies gambling site!?!
I came up with a great idea, and I used it to make money. Plenty of people would like to say the same thing...
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#84 | 2617 days ago
rootman54 (+)

hummus wrote:
lol, i would be curious to see what the first one was, mine was on Feb 21 this year so I doubt I was the first. Mine was missing some really good movies though, i think i was missing Rudy. It's all in good fun :)

I was bored, I made one too! Its different though. Its multiple choice, and really nothing to do about movies lol

http://www.faniq.com/poll_results.php?poll_id=109481&rnum=33#new

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#85 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

The statement you made there is absolutely ludicrous, if you really believe I need anyones help to win at gambling, you should go have your head examined (which I would suggest anyways, regardless)

 

I cant believe you're nerve, and Im seriously laughing right now at your distorted perception of yourself. Who needs your help? Someone who sits here and doesn't know a damn thing about professional sports, ok so you were lucky from time to time on college and I made a few thousand one week, so what. My point is, you need to step back and take a serious look at what you are claiming... because your affirmations about me are clearly distorted by your anger.

So you're admitting that you used her picks...

Ha...you're so pathetic.
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#86 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
So you're admitting that you used her picks...

Ha...you're so pathetic.

I used her picks for a couple weeks on college basketball. Why not? I was betting several games, and the ones that her and I agreed on, I took. It was more getting a second opinion along with my own, than anything.

 

I wouldn't use the word pathetic if I was you, Pat. Ive made more money in my life than you probably will until you're 35. Shut your mouth fool.

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#87 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I used her picks for a couple weeks on college basketball. Why not? I was betting several games, and the ones that her and I agreed on, I took. It was more getting a second opinion along with my own, than anything.

 

I wouldn't use the word pathetic if I was you, Pat. Ive made more money in my life than you probably will until you're 35. Shut your mouth fool.

Obviously, you have no clue what you're talking about.

#1: I'm making less money now than I'll ever make in my life.
#2: You might want to take into account the medical, dental and other benefits that I receive (free housing, electrical, plumbing, food, clothing, etc).
#3: None of this has anything to do with 9-11, Mr. "Stick to the topic, or leave" (a direct quote from your comment, #21) ... way to go, champ.
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#88 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
Obviously, you have no clue what you're talking about.

#1: I'm making less money now than I'll ever make in my life.
#2: You might want to take into account the medical, dental and other benefits that I receive (free housing, electrical, plumbing, food, clothing, etc).
#3: None of this has anything to do with 9-11, Mr. "Stick to the topic, or leave" (a direct quote from your comment, #21) ... way to go, champ.

Good for you. If your lack of intelligence is unable to inform you that I was responding to your ridiculous comment, I dont know what else can be said. I can't really help you, Pat. Noone can. I know a good burger joint around here thats always hiring, once you get out of the military. Its called Burger King.

 

   Way to go, chump.

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#89 | 2617 days ago

(Edited by Natasha)
bayareabeast2 wrote:

Good for you. If your lack of intelligence is unable to inform you that I was responding to your ridiculous comment, I dont know what else can be said. I can't really help you, Pat. Noone can. I know a good burger joint around here thats always hiring, once you get out of the military. Its called Burger King.

 

   Way to go, chump.

I don't know anywhere that would hire an egotistical maniac with psychotic tendencies. Not that I'm saying that's you... but read it how you like... CHUMP.
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#90 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Good for you. If your lack of intelligence is unable to inform you that I was responding to your ridiculous comment, I dont know what else can be said. I can't really help you, Pat. Noone can. I know a good burger joint around here thats always hiring, once you get out of the military. Its called Burger King.

 

   Way to go, chump.

I'm sorry, I assumed that you would at least follow your own rules. I guess you're more of a hypocrite than I thought.

Say what you want, but just like your ridiculous theories about 9-11, your latest comments are ridiculous, unfounded and completely inaccurate. Keep up the good work!
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#91 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
I don't know anywhere that would hire an egotistical maniac with psychotic tendencies. Not that I'm saying that's you... but read it how you like... CHUMP.
You know me. You know Im not a bad person, feel free to try to slander me all you like... it doesnt bother me.
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#92 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

(Edited by bayareabeast2)
Pat wrote:
I'm sorry, I assumed that you would at least follow your own rules. I guess you're more of a hypocrite than I thought.

Say what you want, but just like your ridiculous theories about 9-11, your latest comments are ridiculous, unfounded and completely inaccurate. Keep up the good work!

Thanks, you too.

 

My freakin dog could have understood by now that I said Im not trying to make any claims here, just to play the devils advocate, and look at possible theories or whatever, if anything it just sparks an intelligent debate.  I never expected you to get that anyways, you only see and hear the things you want to see and hear.

 

And the fact that you are willing to make assertions about things without being fully exposed to all of the information is saddening. The truth of the matter is, you think you know it all, but in reality most of the time you don't know jack sh*t.

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#93 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Thanks, you too.

 

My freakin dog could have understood by now that I said Im not trying to make any claims here, just to play the devils advocate, and look at possible theories or whatever, if anything it just sparks an intelligent debate.  I never expected you to get that anyways, you only see and hear the things you want to see and hear.

 

And the fact that you are willing to make assertions about things without being fully exposed to all of the information is saddening. The truth of the matter is, you think you know it all, but in reality most of the time you don't know jack sh*t.

What part of this do you not understand? As Nate (and I) tried to explain to you earlier...I AM a LOT more exposed to the information than you are...and you still pretend that my opinion doesn't mean anything, and that your ridiculous documentaries (that you can't even provide a source for) are worth a damn thing. It's laughable, really. As well as your claims of your monetary gains, and my lack thereof, and all the other absurd BS that you spew. You are a joke, and that is how I take everything that you type here.
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#94 | 2617 days ago

I get this funny feeling that you guys disagree here!
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#95 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
What part of this do you not understand? As Nate (and I) tried to explain to you earlier...I AM a LOT more exposed to the information than you are...and you still pretend that my opinion doesn't mean anything, and that your ridiculous documentaries (that you can't even provide a source for) are worth a damn thing. It's laughable, really. As well as your claims of your monetary gains, and my lack thereof, and all the other absurd BS that you spew. You are a joke, and that is how I take everything that you type here.
You're an idiot Pat. You don't even qualify as a joke to me. You have such a distorted perception of yourself, its ridiculous.
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#96 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
You're an idiot Pat. You don't even qualify as a joke to me. You have such a distorted perception of yourself, its ridiculous.
Well...at least you stayed on topic.

You find a source for that BS documentary that you were talking about?
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#97 | 2617 days ago

desertrat wrote:
I get this funny feeling that you guys disagree here!
No... I think we all agree perfectly. Well... except one person...
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#98 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
Well...at least you stayed on topic.

You find a source for that BS documentary that you were talking about?

Let me ask you a serious question right now. All dislike that you and I have for one another temporarily set aside, give me an honest answer.

 

What kind of person declares something that they haven't seen as BS?

 

a) an ignorant fool

b) a closed minded schmuk

c) a delusional individual who thinks he knows everything there is to know

d) someone who is so insecure they are afraid to go against their initial argument

 

   Pick one of these, chump.

 

 

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#99 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Natasha wrote:
No... I think we all agree perfectly. Well... except one person...

Can you read the current outcome of the poll? Apparently a few people agreed with what I put.

 

I can see why you two are a couple. One of you is just as dumb as the other.

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#100 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Can you read the current outcome of the poll? Apparently a few people agreed with what I put.

 

I can see why you two are a couple. One of you is just as dumb as the other.

What about the 63% who answered either A or B so far?

I guess you conveniently disregard those...
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#101 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Can you read the current outcome of the poll? Apparently a few people agreed with what I put.

 

I can see why you two are a couple. One of you is just as dumb as the other.

With all due respect man...you are waffling pretty bad here.  For the first few posts you seemed convinced the government was involved.  Then, once Pat, Nate, and I provided opposition, you switched to a neutral "I don't know what happened" type of stance.  Now you are back to saying that people "agreed" with you, so you aren't neutral anymore.

 

Plus, when I brought up the poll results in your "plant life poll," you said that the FanIQ opinion didn't matter at all to you.  Now that they (kinda) agree with you, you are going to use the FanIQ results to support your argument?

 

Just some observations...

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#102 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I found this,which supports the video I saw...

 

 

Claims that the Pentagon was hit by something significantly smaller than a Boeing 757(typically a missile or smaller aircraft) have been raised by some conspiracy theorists based on photographs in which there appears to be a lack of expected debris or pieces of a commercial aircraft within the immediate impact area, and what some believe is a lack of damage to the building and the lawn. Conspiracy theorists say the first person to suggest that a missile hit the Pentagon was Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in an interview on October 12, 2001 which helped set up this claim. Subsequently, Thierry Messan in his book 9/11 gave this claim much more visibility. He also advanced the idea with his website Hunt the Boeing! and the popular internet videos Loosew Change and "911 Change Of Loose.". A likely cause of these ideas, some say, was the initial scarcity of documentation of the attack. At first the only evidence available consisted of long distance photographs and video footage taken after the attack, eyewitness testimony from individuals at the scene, and five video frames captured by a security camera which were released on March 8 2002. A large amount of evidence was later released after the Zacarias Massaoui trial and several Freedom Of Information Act requests.

Debris from Flight 77 scattered near the Pentagon.
Debris from Flight 77 scattered near the Pentagon.

Suspicions were additionally fueled by a lack of video footage of the impact of the jetliner, since many assume that the Pentagon must be subject to intense camera surveillance for security reasons. In addition to the Pentagon's own security cameras, these people also noted that security camera footage from a nearby Citgo gas station and from the Virginia Department of Transportation was swiftly confiscated by the US government. On May 16th 2006, the security camera footage was released as part of a Judicial Watch's FOIA request However, due to a low number of frames per second, the videos do not clearly show the impact of the plane, only the approach of the plane (at an angle) and the explosion cloud, thus keeping the "no Boeing" theory popular. In addition to the security cam footage, the Citgo footage was released on September 15, 2006, but did not show the attacks. The Doubletree hotel, located nearby in Crystal City, Virginia also had a security camera video, and on December 4th, 2006 the FBI released the video in response to a freedom of information lawsuit filed by Scott Bingham No plane can be seen entering the Pentagon since the camera was mounted on a lower point on the Doubletree Hotel and an elevated highway obstructs the view of the Pentagon

A few conspiracy theorists also consider pilot Charles Burlingame as a "prime suspect" in the conspiracy. In response to these accusations and the Loose Change video, his sister, Debra, remarked "The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred.... They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world. They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars."

The Pentagon "no Boeing" theory constitutes a controversial issue, even among conspiracy theorists, many of whom have said that this claim is "disproved" by hundreds of eyewitnesses and physical evidence, suggesting it is disinformation to create a supposedly easily discredited straw man argument. Several researchers have argued that the wings would cause less damage than the plane's main body, that photographs of large amounts of wreckage and debris matching a 757 have become available, that the appearance of the size of the hole is typically misrepresented; and that the actual fuselage diameter of 12 feet is a much more relevant dimension for the deepest parts of the hole than the overall 44-foot height of the 757's tail. They also emphasize reports from numerous eyewitnesses, including commuters on nearby roads nearby apartment buildings, and other surrounding locations. Many witnesses saw the aircraft close up as it approached the Pentagon and described it as an American Airlines Boeing 757. The evidence is too compelling to be dismissed.

Propaganda War- don't be a sucker.

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#103 | 2617 days ago

I don't believe the government has told us all there is to be told, I think there are things they are holding from us.  However, I don't think there was a giant conspiracy that we were in on.

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#104 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Shrugging Atlas wrote:

With all due respect man...you are waffling pretty bad here.  For the first few posts you seemed convinced the government was involved.  Then, once Pat, Nate, and I provided opposition, you switched to a neutral "I don't know what happened" type of stance.  Now you are back to saying that people "agreed" with you, so you aren't neutral anymore.

 

Plus, when I brought up the poll results in your "plant life poll," you said that the FanIQ opinion didn't matter at all to you.  Now that they (kinda) agree with you, you are going to use the FanIQ results to support your argument?

 

Just some observations...

What I am about to say is my honest, wholehearted stance on the entire issue, once and for all.

 

I do not know for sure who was responsible for the September 11th attacks. I would like to think that it really was the terrorists, and that the Government was not involved at all. My gut tells me it is more than that. The things I have seen and heard point to a conspiracy of some kind, to which magnitude I honestly do not know. I wish all of you could see this video I am talking about, because it totally changed my outlook on the subject 180 degrees, and Im pretty sure it would do the same for some others as well.

 

I am willing to admit that I don't know what really happened. I need to see more.

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#105 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Let me ask you a serious question right now. All dislike that you and I have for one another temporarily set aside, give me an honest answer.

 

What kind of person declares something that they haven't seen as BS?

 

a) an ignorant fool

b) a closed minded schmuk

c) a delusional individual who thinks he knows everything there is to know

d) someone who is so insecure they are afraid to go against their initial argument

 

   Pick one of these, chump.

 

 

For starters, I've probably seen this documentary. I know you might find this hard to believe, but you're not the only person who has seen this documentary. I've also seen Farenheit 911, but I'm not stupid enough to believe everything that idiot says.

To address your misguided evaluations of me:
a) Ingnorant means "lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact". There is no way, shape or form that you can logically say that you're more informed than me. Unless you're a complete moron...which is a distinct possibility.
b) I am completely open minded. I have repeatedly asked you to present facts, and you have repeatedly failed to do so. Facts and evidence are on my side. Until that changes, I have no reason to believe your ridiculous claims.
c) I don't think I know everything. Which is why I base my opinions on the proof and evidence that has been provided, through video, audio and other media.
d) I'm not insecure, but since my initial argument is right, I have no reason to argue against it. Why would I?

Ummm...feel free to pick one yourself.

Once again...give me SOME kind of proof...ANYTHING...and maybe I will have the slightest shred of respect for something you say. Until then, you're still a joke to me.
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#106 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
For starters, I've probably seen this documentary. I know you might find this hard to believe, but you're not the only person who has seen this documentary. I've also seen Farenheit 911, but I'm not stupid enough to believe everything that idiot says.

To address your misguided evaluations of me:
a) Ingnorant means "lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact". There is no way, shape or form that you can logically say that you're more informed than me. Unless you're a complete moron...which is a distinct possibility.
b) I am completely open minded. I have repeatedly asked you to present facts, and you have repeatedly failed to do so. Facts and evidence are on my side. Until that changes, I have no reason to believe your ridiculous claims.
c) I don't think I know everything. Which is why I base my opinions on the proof and evidence that has been provided, through video, audio and other media.
d) I'm not insecure, but since my initial argument is right, I have no reason to argue against it. Why would I?

Ummm...feel free to pick one yourself.

Once again...give me SOME kind of proof...ANYTHING...and maybe I will have the slightest shred of respect for something you say. Until then, you're still a joke to me.

I dont care about you or your opinion, Pat. You're every bit a joke to me, think whatever you like, I don't give a rats ass. I dont have the slightest respect for someone like you, who is so clearly so full of crap its absurd, and driven by some hidden agenda to promote his own image in the eyes of his girlfriend.

 

I will post the video on here, but it has nothing do with you or trying to gain anything from you. You are nothing to me, harsh as that may sound, its the truth.

 

That said, I think we can just put our disgust for one another aside, and if you are as open minded as you claim to be, I invite you to watch this documentary with an open mind, (as soon as I post it), and you can then evaluate it.

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#107 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I dont care about you or your opinion, Pat. You're every bit a joke to me, think whatever you like, I don't give a rats ass. I dont have the slightest respect for someone like you, who is so clearly so full of crap its absurd, and driven by some hidden agenda to promote his own image in the eyes of his girlfriend.

 

I will post the video on here, but it has nothing do with you or trying to gain anything from you. You are nothing to me, harsh as that may sound, its the truth.

 

That said, I think we can just put our disgust for one another aside, and if you are as open minded as you claim to be, I invite you to watch this documentary with an open mind, (as soon as I post it), and you can then evaluate it.

I'm still waiting for you to post it...whenever you're ready...

And if you really think that I do anything on here to impress Natasha...you're sadly mistaken. 90% of the time, she disagrees with me on political polls, so once again, you're way off.

I'd to know where I'm full of crap. Everything I've said has been based on facts and concrete evidence, while your theories are just that...theories, and they're based on...well...nothing, from what I can tell so far. Like I said...still waiting...
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#108 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
You havent got the slightest clue what really happened.

Actually I know exactly what happened. Some terrorists flew a plane into each of the twin towers, one into the Pentagon and crashed one in Shanksville, PA.

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#109 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Im far from a moron, my friend. But sometimes I wish I were.

 

There is way too much here for me to type, and I dont feel like typing it out right now. Just believe me when I say I have seen things that can't be easily explained. There is no doubt in my mind that if you were exposed to the same material is me, it would change your point of view drastically.  Ill just give you the tip of the iceberg: Keep in mind, Im just leaving it open for debate, Im honestly not sure what to believe anymore...

 

1) The towers look like the collapsed controlled demolition style, and firefighters have testified that when around the building they heard explosives.

 

2) If you advance frame by frame on the plane crashing into the buildings, it appears as though the plane is not a commercial airliner at all, but has something strapped to its belly.

 

3) The hole that was put into the Pentagon is not consistent with the damage that should have been made by a 757.

 

4) There is a video clip that shows an explosion near the base of the North Tower that is completely unrelated to the collapse of the towers. This video clip was only shown once, and never shown again.

 

5) The Pentagon is the most secure building in the United Stated, the nervous system for the entire United States Military and yet there supposedly is only minor footage of what happened there on 9-11. Also the only other footage was said to have been confiscated by Federal Agents shortly after 9-11.

 

6) Physisists have vehemently opposed the explanations to the collapse of the towers, claiming a steel frame reinforced building should not have collapsed due to a fire of that magnitude.

 

7) If you advance frame by frame on the impact of the planes into the towers, it appears as if there is an ignition just prior to the plane hitting the towers.

 

 Much, much, more....

 

This is the first few of many, but since day 1 I personally always thought it strange that all the men on the planes would allow 4 hijackers with boxcutters to take over the plane and accomplish their mission. They claimed to have a bomb? Ok but who would really believe that they were able to smuggle a bomb on board through airport security?

Your #1 about the building falling, how would that make it a conspiracy? The building fell that way because of how it was built. Apparently you don't have as many facts as you say.
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#110 | 2617 days ago

When I was in Jamaica on my honeymoon, they had a television station that played this "propaganda 9-11 conspiracy" crap all day long.  I've seen documentaries like the one bayareabeast2 is talking about (I might have seen that very one).  I would challenge him to "open his mind" and see that people making these documentaries have a separate anti-American agenda of their own.

 

Also, I couldn't help but notice his "Critical Thinking" headline...so...I would like to direct him and any others who believe in conspiracy garbage to look up the philosophical concept of Ockham's Razor and apply it here. 

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#111 | 2617 days ago
adamace (+)

i believe that our country looks out for the best interests of its people, and has better things to do with it's time than plan foolish attacks.

 

i believe that the controversy surrounded with this issue is due to the aftermath of the event concurrent with the War on Terror. People are bitter at the United States, including many of it's people. the loss of life was great, and many people want to point a finger at something. it's easier to point at the government and blame it, rather than support it and serve it.

 

for those who think that the government planned the attack, i think you were already looking for an excuse to hate the government, and this is your avenue.

 

as for bayareabeast, i think it's a waste of time to look for other explanations. to believe some documentary that some no-namers created is absurd. to base your opinion on their "findings" is even less intelligent.

 

and no, i don't need to battle you to see who's smarter. my IQ test resulted in a 133. decent for a dummy who also serves his country and might have to result to handing his resume over to a Burger King manager.

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#112 | 2617 days ago
EersFan (+)

I love liberal twits like BAB. Bush is a complete idiot, but helped pull off and coverup the the biggest attack on America. No, we haven't been told everything (we never are), but we've been told enough. We don't need to know everything. Believing idiotic college professors and propagandists is much easier and more fun than believing the truth. Islamofascists hate this country and want to kill us all. Thank God Bush had the guts to go after them.
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#113 | 2617 days ago

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

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#114 | 2617 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

That's so ridiculous it doesn't even deserve a response. Have a nice life!

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#115 | 2617 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

If you are going to insult my country can you at least have the common decency of using spell check before you post?  Also is it too much for you to make sure that the caps lock button isn't on?  Also, not really sure why there is quotation marks around 'attacked' that usually implies that what happened wasn't really attacked.  We were attacked, go to Pearl Harbor and you'll still see the remains of blown up ships.  So let us review what you should do prior to hitting submit comment to your next post:

1.  Check for spelling
2.  Make sure your caps lock is not on.
3.  Research your history to make sure your assumptions are accurate.
4.  Don't over use the quotation marks, it makes you look like an idiot.
5.  Don't be an arrogant elitist jerk speaking lightly about the many lives laid to waste on one of the most horrific days in our countries history. 
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#116 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
If you are going to insult my country can you at least have the common decency of using spell check before you post?  Also is it too much for you to make sure that the caps lock button isn't on?  Also, not really sure why there is quotation marks around 'attacked' that usually implies that what happened wasn't really attacked.  We were attacked, go to Pearl Harbor and you'll still see the remains of blown up ships.  So let us review what you should do prior to hitting submit comment to your next post:

1.  Check for spelling
2.  Make sure your caps lock is not on.
3.  Research your history to make sure your assumptions are accurate.
4.  Don't over use the quotation marks, it makes you look like an idiot.
5.  Don't be an arrogant elitist jerk speaking lightly about the many lives laid to waste on one of the most horrific days in our countries history. 

Nicely put Nate :)

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#117 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
If you are going to insult my country can you at least have the common decency of using spell check before you post?  Also is it too much for you to make sure that the caps lock button isn't on?  Also, not really sure why there is quotation marks around 'attacked' that usually implies that what happened wasn't really attacked.  We were attacked, go to Pearl Harbor and you'll still see the remains of blown up ships.  So let us review what you should do prior to hitting submit comment to your next post:

1.  Check for spelling
2.  Make sure your caps lock is not on.
3.  Research your history to make sure your assumptions are accurate.
4.  Don't over use the quotation marks, it makes you look like an idiot.
5.  Don't be an arrogant elitist jerk speaking lightly about the many lives laid to waste on one of the most horrific days in our countries history. 
I love how some people have a knack of being so helpful while telling someone to get bent.
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#118 | 2617 days ago

courtneyanne wrote:

Nicely put Nate :)

Iwish I could siskel and ebert him w/ 2 thumbs, but I guess I'll do that here.
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#119 | 2617 days ago

After having read ALL of the above I will simply say this- We are a passionate bunch aren't we!
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#120 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Gazzo wrote:
Your #1 about the building falling, how would that make it a conspiracy? The building fell that way because of how it was built. Apparently you don't have as many facts as you say.

Controlled demolition style means explosives were used.

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#121 | 2617 days ago

TerikaHarifa wrote:
After having read ALL of the above I will simply say this- We are a passionate bunch aren't we!
VERY!
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#122 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

adamace wrote:

i believe that our country looks out for the best interests of its people, and has better things to do with it's time than plan foolish attacks.

 

i believe that the controversy surrounded with this issue is due to the aftermath of the event concurrent with the War on Terror. People are bitter at the United States, including many of it's people. the loss of life was great, and many people want to point a finger at something. it's easier to point at the government and blame it, rather than support it and serve it.

 

for those who think that the government planned the attack, i think you were already looking for an excuse to hate the government, and this is your avenue.

 

as for bayareabeast, i think it's a waste of time to look for other explanations. to believe some documentary that some no-namers created is absurd. to base your opinion on their "findings" is even less intelligent.

 

and no, i don't need to battle you to see who's smarter. my IQ test resulted in a 133. decent for a dummy who also serves his country and might have to result to handing his resume over to a Burger King manager.

alright esse... hahaha, how do you spell essey? 133? Send me the link to the test you took, i want to take it too.

 

Or homeslizzle of a slizzice.

 

Some of the people here are ridiculously limp,gimp, and unpimp. Like that fool "cartera" who quite possible just posted the most luidcrous comment in faniq history.

 

  In some places in the world you could lit up sick for posting shi*s like that.

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#123 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Shrugging Atlas wrote:

When I was in Jamaica on my honeymoon, they had a television station that played this "propaganda 9-11 conspiracy" crap all day long.  I've seen documentaries like the one bayareabeast2 is talking about (I might have seen that very one).  I would challenge him to "open his mind" and see that people making these documentaries have a separate anti-American agenda of their own.

 

Also, I couldn't help but notice his "Critical Thinking" headline...so...I would like to direct him and any others who believe in conspiracy garbage to look up the philosophical concept of Ockham's Razor and apply it here. 

Jamaica Mahn!
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#124 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Shrugging Atlas wrote:

When I was in Jamaica on my honeymoon, they had a television station that played this "propaganda 9-11 conspiracy" crap all day long.  I've seen documentaries like the one bayareabeast2 is talking about (I might have seen that very one).  I would challenge him to "open his mind" and see that people making these documentaries have a separate anti-American agenda of their own.

 

Also, I couldn't help but notice his "Critical Thinking" headline...so...I would like to direct him and any others who believe in conspiracy garbage to look up the philosophical concept of Ockham's Razor and apply it here. 

The people for the most part who are creating these documentaries are driven by patriotism and a need to open their fellows Americans eyes. I havent seen the documentaries you are referring to, but the ones that Ive seen seemed to display genuine concern for the welfare of the American people and a striving need for truth.

 

That is a conspiracy theory in itself for someone who refers to it as "conspiracy garbage".

 

And shrugging atlas... Just because its a conspiracy it doesnt necessarily put it in the category of garbage, Im not trying to make a declaration about this particular one, but there are several conspiracy theories who no doubt have validity. Keep an open mind, and dont be so quick to jump the gun on something you dont really know.

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#125 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

alright esse... hahaha, how do you spell essey? 133? Send me the link to the test you took, i want to take it too.

 

Or homeslizzle of a slizzice.

 

Some of the people here are ridiculously limp,gimp, and unpimp. Like that fool "cartera" who quite possible just posted the most luidcrous comment in faniq history.

 

  In some places in the world you could lit up sick for posting shi*s like that.

I will now quote you (comment #18): "The fact that you are trying to make this an issue of race shows what an ignorant, little, piece of crap you really are."

No one describes you better than you, apparently.
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#126 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

(Edited by bayareabeast2)
Pat wrote:
I will now quote you (comment #18): "The fact that you are trying to make this an issue of race shows what an ignorant, little, piece of crap you really are."

No one describes you better than you, apparently.

Are you delirious? I wasnt trying to say anything about the fact that Adam is Mexican. I was honestly asking a question, I have a couple Mexican friends and I used to call them "ESSAY". I was wondering how thats spelled.

 

Nice try. If you think I was trying to be racist or something, you're even more of a moron than I thought. Im dead serious, fool.

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#127 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
I will now quote you (comment #18): "The fact that you are trying to make this an issue of race shows what an ignorant, little, piece of crap you really are."

No one describes you better than you, apparently.

you are seriously, seriously, bugging the hell out of me. you are like a gnat, that just refuses to go away. go bug someone else pat. your shi*s getting old.

 

If you think I was trying to be racist towards Adam, you have forfeited your title of Moron and now carry the title of retard.

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#128 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Are you delirious? I wasnt trying to say anything about the fact that Adam is Mexican. I was honestly asking a question, I have a couple Mexican friends and I used to call them "ESSAY". I was wondering how thats spelled.

 

Nice try. If you think I was trying to be racist or something, you're even more of a moron than I thought. Im dead serious, fool.

That's like asking Beaze how to spell the N word. Congrats, your ignorance knows no bounds.

Still waiting for that video you promised...or SOME sort of concrete evidence to back up your theories...got anything? Anything at all?
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#129 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

The people for the most part who are creating these documentaries are driven by patriotism and a need to open their fellows Americans eyes. I havent seen the documentaries you are referring to, but the ones that Ive seen seemed to display genuine concern for the welfare of the American people and a striving need for truth.

 

That is a conspiracy theory in itself for someone who refers to it as "conspiracy garbage".

 

And shrugging atlas... Just because its a conspiracy it doesnt necessarily put it in the category of garbage, Im not trying to make a declaration about this particular one, but there are several conspiracy theories who no doubt have validity. Keep an open mind, and dont be so quick to jump the gun on something you dont really know.

I don't like calling shows like that documentaries, they arrange certain facts so that they have the general affect that they want on the users mind so the display certain ideas more favorable than others.  These shows are more persuasive media than fair and non bias media.  The purpose here is to card stack certain facts while omitting other facts, to achieve the general goal of anti U.S. government propaganda.  Yes I would say the same thing had Clinton been in office and not Bush.
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#130 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
That's like asking Beaze how to spell the N word. Congrats, your ignorance knows no bounds.

Still waiting for that video you promised...or SOME sort of concrete evidence to back up your theories...got anything? Anything at all?

YOU ARE SO STUPID. ESSAY MEANS "HOMEY" IN SPANISH.

 

YOU HAVE TAKEN YOUR IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY TO ANOTHER LEVEL, YOU IDIOT.

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#131 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

(Edited by bayareabeast2)
Pat wrote:
That's like asking Beaze how to spell the N word. Congrats, your ignorance knows no bounds.

Still waiting for that video you promised...or SOME sort of concrete evidence to back up your theories...got anything? Anything at all?

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#132 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Lets just forget it. Everyone makes mistakes. An honest mistake on Pats part. No worries.
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#133 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

YOU ARE SO STUPID. ESSAY MEANS "HOMEY" IN SPANISH.

 

YOU HAVE TAKEN YOUR IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY TO ANOTHER LEVEL, YOU IDIOT.

Kinda similar to how some black people use the N word?
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#134 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
Lets just forget it. Everyone makes mistakes. An honest mistake on Pats part. No worries.
As long as we're apologizing for each other, I would like to say sorry, on Nima's behalf, for creating this ridiculous poll, and then acting like he had proof of something, when he really has none. And for ridiculing everyone else for believing the video and other obvious evidence that we have all seen. And for pretending to not be completely ignorant in...pretty much everything on this poll. Nima's sorry everyone...honest mistake. Let's all just move on...nothing to see here, folks.
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#135 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
As long as we're apologizing for each other, I would like to say sorry, on Nima's behalf, for creating this ridiculous poll, and then acting like he had proof of something, when he really has none. And for ridiculing everyone else for believing the video and other obvious evidence that we have all seen. And for pretending to not be completely ignorant in...pretty much everything on this poll. Nima's sorry everyone...honest mistake. Let's all just move on...nothing to see here, folks.

you are really a lost cause. From this point forward, I am not even gonna waste my time responding to your ridiculous posts. You're truly hopeless, Pat. I have to get the CD back from my sister, and when I do, Ill post the necessary info on here.

 

As far as you making a total ass out of yourself (again), I was trying to help you out, because I honestly felt sorry for you. You couldnt just let it go.... unbelievable.

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#136 | 2617 days ago

A hush falls over the crowd as we wait.... did Pat get "The Last Word"?
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#137 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

you are really a lost cause. From this point forward, I am not even gonna waste my time responding to your ridiculous posts. You're truly hopeless, Pat. I have to get the CD back from my sister, and when I do, Ill post the necessary info on here.

 

As far as you making a total ass out of yourself (again), I was trying to help you out, because I honestly felt sorry for you. You couldnt just let it go.... unbelievable.

Ok...I'll just wait for this CD that you speak of. In the mean time, if you'd like to, you could always read up for yourself, and maybe get a clue.

Here, here and here might be a good place to start. Looks like Osama Bin Laden is ONE person who agrees with you, at least. Congrats on that one.
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#138 | 2617 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Anybody else hear that buzzing noise?
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#139 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
Anybody else hear that buzzing noise?
Must be the explosive device that was attached to the bottom of the airplane that crashed into one of the towers. The one that no one at the airport noticed before takeoff...
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#140 | 2617 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
Anybody else hear that buzzing noise?
maybe thats just the sound you hear because you dont have a brain :)
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#141 | 2617 days ago

Nate wrote:
What's your security clearance?  Is it top secret, or higher?  Or are you just speculating that you know more than everyone else though really you are using even less information that even I had while I was in the military with a secret clearance and access to the SIPPER Net.  In any case you are as well informed as the next guy who's brain washed by their own blind hate for common sense.  Your desire to see things out side the box has only distorted your views to the point that you live in a fantasy world.  Sure conspiracy theories are great for writing novels but in the real world hold no water, and are so flawed they stay theories for the next one thousand years.  Only to later be found on some website on urban myths.
ummm, yeah...having a Secret clearance and access to SIPR really gives you information not available to everyone else.  Come on, man...you aren't the only military person in here with a clearance and access to SIPR...but who knows.
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#142 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by Nate)
theshrewdone wrote:
ummm, yeah...having a Secret clearance and access to SIPR really gives you information not available to everyone else.  Come on, man...you aren't the only military person in here with a clearance and access to SIPR...but who knows.
Yeah I really wasn't talking about me, I was talking about Pat.  Though I did have access to the SIPR in Afghanistan, and well I did have access to information that evidently most didn't have.  Oh well, I am sure you have access to it too out at the Naval Base or Camp Pendleton in San Diego, I am assuming that's where you are.  My comments wasn't saying Pat knew more about 9/11, but in general he has access to a bit more information than what the media gives you.  Argue that if you want, but you would just be negating your B, C, and D answer.
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#143 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

On the documentary I saw, it was suggested that the planes that crashed into the towers were not commercial airliners at all. There is footage of people and reporters claiming that what they saw did not appear to a commercial airliner at ll. Obviously the first question that came into my mind was "Well then what happened to all the people and the real commercial airliners"?

 

Like I said, at the very least the documentary is provocative, and I saw it with my own two eyes, when you advance frame by frame, there really does appear to be something strapped to the belly of the plane, Im not sure if its a trick of the light or not, its really hard to tell.

 

Ive already detonated my sisters phone in an attempt to get the info on the documentary, which was a burnt cd disk.

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#144 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

On the documentary I saw, it was suggested that the planes that crashed into the towers were not commercial airliners at all. There is footage of people and reporters claiming that what they saw did not appear to a commercial airliner at ll. Obviously the first question that came into my mind was "Well then what happened to all the people and the real commercial airliners"?

 

Like I said, at the very least the documentary is provocative, and I saw it with my own two eyes, when you advance frame by frame, there really does appear to be something strapped to the belly of the plane, Im not sure if its a trick of the light or not, its really hard to tell.

 

Ive already detonated my sisters phone in an attempt to get the info on the documentary, which was a burnt cd disk.

You don't realize how many holes there are in this theory? It's not even reasonable at all...

You need to be able to watch stuff like that and listen carefully to every word they say. I'm sure that if you listened to it again, VERY carefully, you would notice that they never REALLY say anything...they merely suggest things. Lots of "documentaries" like that tip-toe around the truth, but use their own interpretation of a certain aspect of the truth, twist it, and then base their entire theory on this twisted perception.

For example...in Farenheit 9-11, Michael Moore made a comment that the Bush Family and their related companies have given over $25M to the Bin Laden family and their respective organizations over a certain period of time (about 20 years, if I remember correctly).

This statement was made in an obvious attempt to personally link George W. Bush to Osama Bin Laden, at least in the eyes of the viewers. But in all reality, it meant nothing. What it really meant was that some of the largest oil companies in America (the ones run by the Bush family, not even necessarily W himself) had done a few million dollars of business per year with some of the largest oil companies in the Middle East (the ones run by the Bin Laden family, most of whom have basically disowned Osama, and NONE of whom support him, neither financially nor ideallistically). So something that was intended to make people believe that George W Bush was in bed with Osama himself ACTUALLY meant virtually nothing.

People in those documentaries do that all the time. You need to watch them with some skepticism, and realize that the burden of proof is on THEM, and make them legitimately prove their point. All I've seen so far are suggestions, which are based on a foundation of stretched and twisted half-truths, at best.
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#145 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

On the documentary I saw, it was suggested that the planes that crashed into the towers were not commercial airliners at all. There is footage of people and reporters claiming that what they saw did not appear to a commercial airliner at ll. Obviously the first question that came into my mind was "Well then what happened to all the people and the real commercial airliners"?

 

Like I said, at the very least the documentary is provocative, and I saw it with my own two eyes, when you advance frame by frame, there really does appear to be something strapped to the belly of the plane, Im not sure if its a trick of the light or not, its really hard to tell.

 

Ive already detonated my sisters phone in an attempt to get the info on the documentary, which was a burnt cd disk.

Would you like a shovel to help you dig that hole of yours?

All your doing is making yourself sound really stupid.

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#146 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
You don't realize how many holes there are in this theory? It's not even reasonable at all...

You need to be able to watch stuff like that and listen carefully to every word they say. I'm sure that if you listened to it again, VERY carefully, you would notice that they never REALLY say anything...they merely suggest things. Lots of "documentaries" like that tip-toe around the truth, but use their own interpretation of a certain aspect of the truth, twist it, and then base their entire theory on this twisted perception.

For example...in Farenheit 9-11, Michael Moore made a comment that the Bush Family and their related companies have given over $25M to the Bin Laden family and their respective organizations over a certain period of time (about 20 years, if I remember correctly).

This statement was made in an obvious attempt to personally link George W. Bush to Osama Bin Laden, at least in the eyes of the viewers. But in all reality, it meant nothing. What it really meant was that some of the largest oil companies in America (the ones run by the Bush family, not even necessarily W himself) had done a few million dollars of business per year with some of the largest oil companies in the Middle East (the ones run by the Bin Laden family, most of whom have basically disowned Osama, and NONE of whom support him, neither financially nor ideallistically). So something that was intended to make people believe that George W Bush was in bed with Osama himself ACTUALLY meant virtually nothing.

People in those documentaries do that all the time. You need to watch them with some skepticism, and realize that the burden of proof is on THEM, and make them legitimately prove their point. All I've seen so far are suggestions, which are based on a foundation of stretched and twisted half-truths, at best.
I understand what you are saying. I have told you several times I am not trying to declare that the U.S. Staged the entire thing. Basically my whole intention was to provide an online version of the documentary to everyone on FANIQ, because I figured most people had not seen it. It does raise many questions, and there are scientific improbablities galore. I was also curious to see what other believed, what better way to do that than to create a poll? When I watched this, I wanted other people to be exposed to all of this as well, thats all. I have done my best to provide a version of what I saw on here, but unfortunately its not the same as actually watching the two hour documentary on film. Theres only so much I can provide on here.
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#147 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

The people for the most part who are creating these documentaries are driven by patriotism and a need to open their fellows Americans eyes. I havent seen the documentaries you are referring to, but the ones that Ive seen seemed to display genuine concern for the welfare of the American people and a striving need for truth.

 

That is a conspiracy theory in itself for someone who refers to it as "conspiracy garbage".

 

And shrugging atlas... Just because its a conspiracy it doesnt necessarily put it in the category of garbage, Im not trying to make a declaration about this particular one, but there are several conspiracy theories who no doubt have validity. Keep an open mind, and dont be so quick to jump the gun on something you dont really know.

No...conspiracy theories are garbage, plain and simple.  There is no way that enough people could keep a secret long enough for a conspiracy of that size to take hold. 
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#148 | 2616 days ago

If Michael Moore wanted to draw that connection of the Bin Ladens to the Bush family it could have easily been done with the Clintons, after all that administration okayed their continual contract work on US military bases in Saudi.  Osama's father owns a prominent construction company.
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#149 | 2616 days ago

I believe, but could be wrong, that the actual documentary that he is talking about is one of the listed below.  I encourage all to watch one...not to change your mind...no one's mind will be changed...no one is truly that open minded...that would mean that you are naive or wishy-washy...not an attack on anyone there (remembering Pat said he was "open-minded"), just saying most of us (yes, myself included) are very close minded.

Point I'm trying to make...watch one so when you get into a discussion/debate/argument with someone that believes like the 9/11 Truth Movement (that's what it's really called), you will already know what they believe and what information they are going off...and can better arm yourself to retaliate...or if you are a 9/11 Truth subscriber, then you will know where the evidence behind the movement came from.  The Documentaries:

1.)  Loose Change
2.)  9/11 - The Road to Tyranny (either this one or Loose Change talks about the "military  plane" theory)
3.)  Terrorstorm (newest of these)
4.)  What's the Truth - How Indeed did the Twin Towers Collapse (this one has the physicists)

I'm sure there are a bunch more...but those are the ones I have seen...some are good...some try to employ the "scare you into believing what I'm telling you" approach.  My recommendations would be either #1 or #4 if you were going to partake...less "aggressive"...less jumping to conclusions...but not as much hard evidence shown as #2 and #3.  So, there you have it.  Make some popcorn (to go with your POP) enjoy...then come back and yell at bayareabeast some more (and probably myself, now...yes!)
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#150 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
I believe, but could be wrong, that the actual documentary that he is talking about is one of the listed below.  I encourage all to watch one...not to change your mind...no one's mind will be changed...no one is truly that open minded...that would mean that you are naive or wishy-washy...not an attack on anyone there (remembering Pat said he was "open-minded"), just saying most of us (yes, myself included) are very close minded.

Point I'm trying to make...watch one so when you get into a discussion/debate/argument with someone that believes like the 9/11 Truth Movement (that's what it's really called), you will already know what they believe and what information they are going off...and can better arm yourself to retaliate...or if you are a 9/11 Truth subscriber, then you will know where the evidence behind the movement came from.  The Documentaries:

1.)  Loose Change
2.)  9/11 - The Road to Tyranny (either this one or Loose Change talks about the "military  plane" theory)
3.)  Terrorstorm (newest of these)
4.)  What's the Truth - How Indeed did the Twin Towers Collapse (this one has the physicists)

I'm sure there are a bunch more...but those are the ones I have seen...some are good...some try to employ the "scare you into believing what I'm telling you" approach.  My recommendations would be either #1 or #4 if you were going to partake...less "aggressive"...less jumping to conclusions...but not as much hard evidence shown as #2 and #3.  So, there you have it.  Make some popcorn (to go with your POP) enjoy...then come back and yell at bayareabeast some more (and probably myself, now...yes!)
I believe, but could be wrong, that the actual documentary that he is talking about is one of the listed below.  I encourage all to watch one...not to change your mind...no one's mind will be changed...no one is truly that open minded...that would mean that you are naive or wishy-washy...not an attack on anyone there (remembering Pat said he was "open-minded"), just saying most of us (yes, myself included) are very close minded.

That's one of the best quotes ever about open mindedness, I have been saying the exact same thing for years now.  A truly open minded person is this idiot who follows everyone around blindly, and even he is just looking for the next best thing.
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#151 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Shrugging Atlas wrote:

With all due respect man...you are waffling pretty bad here.  For the first few posts you seemed convinced the government was involved.  Then, once Pat, Nate, and I provided opposition, you switched to a neutral "I don't know what happened" type of stance.  Now you are back to saying that people "agreed" with you, so you aren't neutral anymore.

 

Plus, when I brought up the poll results in your "plant life poll," you said that the FanIQ opinion didn't matter at all to you.  Now that they (kinda) agree with you, you are going to use the FanIQ results to support your argument?

 

Just some observations...

I somehow overlooked this comment.

 

No, I dont care about the faniq majority vote, I was responding to Natashas comment that "Everyone agrees except for one person", which clearly was wrong. I wasn't trying to use the other votes to my advantage, by any means. To be honest I dont know why I have to point this out to you, you should have been able to see that for yourself and my reasons for posting what I did.

 

 

B, C, and D  
#152 | 2616 days ago

Another one worth the watch (regardless of which point of view you subscribe to) is Screw Loose Change...its goal is to debunk every point made in Loose Change.  Again, just more information that all of us should look at once.  Popular Mechanics did an article with the same goal in mind...can't remember what it was called, but I'm sure it's still on their web site.  Very well written and a fairly quick read...not as "fun" as a movie format, though...but it has a lot of the same counter points.
B, C, and D  
#153 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

The people for the most part who are creating these documentaries are driven by patriotism and a need to open their fellows Americans eyes. I havent seen the documentaries you are referring to, but the ones that Ive seen seemed to display genuine concern for the welfare of the American people and a striving need for truth.

 

That is a conspiracy theory in itself for someone who refers to it as "conspiracy garbage".

 

And shrugging atlas... Just because its a conspiracy it doesnt necessarily put it in the category of garbage, Im not trying to make a declaration about this particular one, but there are several conspiracy theories who no doubt have validity. Keep an open mind, and dont be so quick to jump the gun on something you dont really know.

Those people making those documentaries are about as genuine as a 3 dollar bill. Ever heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing?
B and C  
#154 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

theshrewdone wrote:
Another one worth the watch (regardless of which point of view you subscribe to) is Screw Loose Change...its goal is to debunk every point made in Loose Change.  Again, just more information that all of us should look at once.  Popular Mechanics did an article with the same goal in mind...can't remember what it was called, but I'm sure it's still on their web site.  Very well written and a fairly quick read...not as "fun" as a movie format, though...but it has a lot of the same counter points.

I think it might be loose change... Does that have different segments, one with a physicist talking for about half an hour or so about why it shouldnt be possible for the towers to collpase due to a fire of that magnitude?

 

If you saw it, what the hell is that thing that appears to be strapped to the belly of the plane? One of mnay questions it brings up...

B, C, and D  
#155 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

you are really a lost cause. From this point forward, I am not even gonna waste my time responding to your ridiculous posts. You're truly hopeless, Pat. I have to get the CD back from my sister, and when I do, Ill post the necessary info on here.

 

As far as you making a total ass out of yourself (again), I was trying to help you out, because I honestly felt sorry for you. You couldnt just let it go.... unbelievable.


What happened to this? Why is it not over yet?
B and C  
#156 | 2616 days ago

desertrat wrote:
Those people making those documentaries are about as genuine as a 3 dollar bill. Ever heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing?
Ever watched any of the ones I listed?  If you have, then fair point...you're opinion is your opinion, more power to you...but, if you haven't, you should give 'em a whirl before you bash every one of these guys out there. (now, if you're forming your opinion off Michael Moore, well, I understand your point entirely!)  Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (however you spell it) are probably the worst thing that could have happened to the 9/11 Truth Movement...but, you can't pick 'em all, I guess!
B, C, and D  
#157 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
I understand what you are saying. I have told you several times I am not trying to declare that the U.S. Staged the entire thing. Basically my whole intention was to provide an online version of the documentary to everyone on FANIQ, because I figured most people had not seen it. It does raise many questions, and there are scientific improbablities galore. I was also curious to see what other believed, what better way to do that than to create a poll? When I watched this, I wanted other people to be exposed to all of this as well, thats all. I have done my best to provide a version of what I saw on here, but unfortunately its not the same as actually watching the two hour documentary on film. Theres only so much I can provide on here.
Let's go over this again...

YOU created this poll.
YOU could have put ANYTHING as the answers.
YOU answered that:
  • The government withheld information,
  • The government lied to us, AND
  • The U.S. actually played a part in September 11th
You could have put ANYTHING you wanted as the answers to this question, as the poll creator, and that's what you put.

That could lead us to believe only one thing: That is honestly what you think.

After that, when someone stated the obvious (that we already know what happened), you proceeded to inform him that (and I quote, comment #3) "You havent got the slightest clue what really happened." In order for you to definitively make that statement, you either have to know what happened yourself, or you have to be a liar. I'm betting on the latter.

You say that there are scientific improbabilities galore, and on other polls you claim to be a man of science. But now, you are willing to argue against science, and go along with some ridiculous theory?

Don't forget...you still have yet to identify:
  • Factual evidence, whether video, audio or otherwise
  • A true motive
  • A legitimate source
  • A specific suspect
Your opposition has all of those things, and none of them require any sort of suspension of disbelief.

You clearly created this poll with nothing other than the intention to start a fight. Once someone steps up to your BS and challenges you in an intelligent manner, you back down (again) and change your tune (again).

When you have something legitimate to say, I'd be more than happy to listen. I've read all of your posts so far, and although I'm a little disappointed at myself for wasting so much time, it has kept me entertained, and I appreciate that at least a little bit.
They have withheld information  
#158 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
Ever watched any of the ones I listed?  If you have, then fair point...you're opinion is your opinion, more power to you...but, if you haven't, you should give 'em a whirl before you bash every one of these guys out there. (now, if you're forming your opinion off Michael Moore, well, I understand your point entirely!)  Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (however you spell it) are probably the worst thing that could have happened to the 9/11 Truth Movement...but, you can't pick 'em all, I guess!
Honestly, no. I don't watch every documentary out there, and we agree about Michael Moore 100%. He should be shot, what a piece of crap he is. False reporting and half truths are how he makes his living.
B and C  
#159 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

I think it might be loose change... Does that have different segments, one with a physicist talking for about half an hour or so about why it shouldnt be possible for the towers to collpase due to a fire of that magnitude?

 

If you saw it, what the hell is that thing that appears to be strapped to the belly of the plane? One of mnay questions it brings up...

They all touch on all the aspects at least once...honestly couldn't tell you if you watched Loose Change or not...it is the most famous of them all, though.

According to those who prescribe to the "bulge theory" it is a Bomb "thingy".  My word there, sorry...eludes me.  Same bulge found on military Bombers...that's where the question arises.  The "the government loves us" theory says the "illusion of a Bulge on the aircraft was created by the way the sun was reflecting off the plane at that angle".  I still don't know if I buy that it was the bomb "thingy" (again my wording there...can't remember what word they used...it's been a while)...but I don't buy that it is a reflection of light, either.
B, C, and D  
#160 | 2616 days ago
rootman54 (+)

theshrewdone wrote:
They all touch on all the aspects at least once...honestly couldn't tell you if you watched Loose Change or not...it is the most famous of them all, though.

According to those who prescribe to the "bulge theory" it is a Bomb "thingy".  My word there, sorry...eludes me.  Same bulge found on military Bombers...that's where the question arises.  The "the government loves us" theory says the "illusion of a Bulge on the aircraft was created by the way the sun was reflecting off the plane at that angle".  I still don't know if I buy that it was the bomb "thingy" (again my wording there...can't remember what word they used...it's been a while)...but I don't buy that it is a reflection of light, either.
Do you know a specific video with the thing on the belly of the plane, I know ive seen it before, but i just watched the 2nd loosechange one, and it wasnt there. Could it have been the first?
B and C  
#161 | 2616 days ago

rootman54 wrote:
Do you know a specific video with the thing on the belly of the plane, I know ive seen it before, but i just watched the 2nd loosechange one, and it wasnt there. Could it have been the first?
I saw the documentary, and the thing on the belly of the plane doesn't show up on any of the actual live footage of that day, Go figure, you don't think there are professional photoshop artists behind conspiracy theories do you?
B and C  
#162 | 2616 days ago
rootman54 (+)

desertrat wrote:
I saw the documentary, and the thing on the belly of the plane doesn't show up on any of the actual live footage of that day, Go figure, you don't think there are professional photoshop artists behind conspiracy theories do you?
There could be, you never know.  It doesnt really matter if there was anything there or not I guess, all the firefighters keep saying they heard more and more explosions.  I think the most baffling part of everything is that 2 of those planes are still listed as running today, and 2 are listed as destroyed, thats real interstng to me.
B and C  
#163 | 2616 days ago

rootman54 wrote:
There could be, you never know.  It doesnt really matter if there was anything there or not I guess, all the firefighters keep saying they heard more and more explosions.  I think the most baffling part of everything is that 2 of those planes are still listed as running today, and 2 are listed as destroyed, thats real interstng to me.
Do you have a source for ANY of this? Or is it just heresay/made up, like a lot of this other crap?
They have withheld information  
#164 | 2616 days ago

rootman54 wrote:
There could be, you never know.  It doesnt really matter if there was anything there or not I guess, all the firefighters keep saying they heard more and more explosions.  I think the most baffling part of everything is that 2 of those planes are still listed as running today, and 2 are listed as destroyed, thats real interstng to me.
What the firemen heard was the sound of each story falling onto the one below it.
B and C  
#165 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

Pat wrote:
Let's go over this again...

YOU created this poll.
YOU could have put ANYTHING as the answers.
YOU answered that:
  • The government withheld information,
  • The government lied to us, AND
  • The U.S. actually played a part in September 11th
You could have put ANYTHING you wanted as the answers to this question, as the poll creator, and that's what you put.

That could lead us to believe only one thing: That is honestly what you think.

After that, when someone stated the obvious (that we already know what happened), you proceeded to inform him that (and I quote, comment #3) "You havent got the slightest clue what really happened." In order for you to definitively make that statement, you either have to know what happened yourself, or you have to be a liar. I'm betting on the latter.

You say that there are scientific improbabilities galore, and on other polls you claim to be a man of science. But now, you are willing to argue against science, and go along with some ridiculous theory?

Don't forget...you still have yet to identify:
  • Factual evidence, whether video, audio or otherwise
  • A true motive
  • A legitimate source
  • A specific suspect
Your opposition has all of those things, and none of them require any sort of suspension of disbelief.

You clearly created this poll with nothing other than the intention to start a fight. Once someone steps up to your BS and challenges you in an intelligent manner, you back down (again) and change your tune (again).

When you have something legitimate to say, I'd be more than happy to listen. I've read all of your posts so far, and although I'm a little disappointed at myself for wasting so much time, it has kept me entertained, and I appreciate that at least a little bit.

Your post here is not entirely accurate.

 

How am I going against science here? As a matter of fact, science is the reason I have reconsidered. I find it odd that the Twin Towers Collapsed. I also find it odd there is no footage of a plane plunging into the Pentagon. I find it odd that there are firefighters who swear they heard explosives when they were near or in the towers. I find it odd that when you advance frame by frame there does appear to be something strapped to the belly of one of the planes. I find it odd that 4 men with boxcutters were able to hijack these planes in the first place. How many men were on these planes? The hijackers were outnumbered probably 25 to one by just the men, and they pulled this off? Didnt need the help of the documentary to find that one strange. I find George W Bushs statements post 9-11 to be odd.

 

The possible motive here was that Bush needed an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. DO you think he would have had the support of the American people without these attacks?

 

I did not intend to start a fight. You started a fight with me, Pat. Look at your post number 14. You clearly had some previous anger with me for some other polls or something, and attacked me and attempted to insult me. Its fine, I dont care, but Im just responding to your accusation that I created this poll to start a fight.

 

You say that I "backed down". No. Im trying to be smart about this, and admit that I truly am not certain about what happened. That is the truth. The truht is noone, only some people really know for sure, and none of them are us.

 

I understand how all of this sounds. But I also know that this Government is capable of great deception see (Roswell Incident 1947) or the (Philadelphia Experiment),  just to name a couple of many clandestine episodes the government has created in the past.

 

Three days ago I would have balked so hard at all of this a runner could have scored all the way from first. But the documentary made me question the entire thing.

B, C, and D  
#166 | 2616 days ago

Nate wrote:
Yeah I really wasn't talking about me, I was talking about Pat.  Though I did have access to the SIPR in Afghanistan, and well I did have access to information that evidently most didn't have.  Oh well, I am sure you have access to it too out at the Naval Base or Camp Pendleton in San Diego, I am assuming that's where you are.  My comments wasn't saying Pat knew more about 9/11, but in general he has access to a bit more information than what the media gives you.  Argue that if you want, but you would just be negating your B, C, and D answer.
Thought I was skipping that comment didn't ya?  hehehe.

But I agree completely...the media won't and probably can't (because they just don't have the info) give you all the info we in the military can (on any "sensitive" issue).  Now I'm not saying that military personnel have all the info, absolutely not...but certain clearances can lend a few more details from time to time, but that also lends to more responsibility and caution on our part...you don't want to turn into the next headline on CNN (or whichever) about "THE LATEST LEAK!!!"  Unfortunately, it seems, everything does get leaked over time...so it's more of a "I knew before you did" kind of thing.
B, C, and D  
#167 | 2616 days ago
rootman54 (+)

Pat wrote:
Do you have a source for ANY of this? Or is it just heresay/made up, like a lot of this other crap?
The video ive seen shows documents from whatever organization is in charge of aviation listings, something like that, at leats it looks like it. It was in loosechange, im not sure you watch and tell me.  I dont really believe half the things the government or conspirators say.
B and C  
#168 | 2616 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNskClIyGfY&mode=related&search=

 

Here, I'll help out all the conspiracy theorists with their evidence.  Here is one of those videos.  This is part one.  Parts 2 - 4 are on the side. 

Other  
#169 | 2616 days ago

rootman54 wrote:
Do you know a specific video with the thing on the belly of the plane, I know ive seen it before, but i just watched the 2nd loosechange one, and it wasnt there. Could it have been the first?
No, the only real difference between 1 and 2 is 2 has the latest and greatest as far as information and evidence...the physicists' evidence for instance.  As far as the bulge...I know I saw it on a documentary...but I honestly can't remember which one/two of the 4 it was on.
B, C, and D  
#170 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

theshrewdone wrote:
They all touch on all the aspects at least once...honestly couldn't tell you if you watched Loose Change or not...it is the most famous of them all, though.

According to those who prescribe to the "bulge theory" it is a Bomb "thingy".  My word there, sorry...eludes me.  Same bulge found on military Bombers...that's where the question arises.  The "the government loves us" theory says the "illusion of a Bulge on the aircraft was created by the way the sun was reflecting off the plane at that angle".  I still don't know if I buy that it was the bomb "thingy" (again my wording there...can't remember what word they used...it's been a while)...but I don't buy that it is a reflection of light, either.
Ok heres the thing, if you dont believe that it is a reflection of light, then it cant possibly be a commercial airliner. If thats true, that means there is indeed a conspiracy. So you are saying that you believe the conspiracy then?
B, C, and D  
#171 | 2616 days ago
adamace (+)

bayareabeast2 wrote:

YOU ARE SO STUPID. ESSAY MEANS "HOMEY" IN SPANISH.

 

YOU HAVE TAKEN YOUR IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY TO ANOTHER LEVEL, YOU IDIOT.

essay? hahahaha...you calling me a term paper?

i think it's spelled ese. i wouldn't know.

as far as the IQ thingy, i took the test once. doesn't mean anything to me since i have absolutely no need to prove anything to you. i wouldn't lie to you about it.

133......just a number, buddy.

9/11....that's another number too, and it was a terrorist attack. i don't have to take a test to know that.



The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#172 | 2616 days ago

Oh, forgot something...somebody had asked how we knew if a building can survive a plane crashing into it...how many times has it happened...etc.

Planes have crashed into skyscrapers hundreds of times (737-757...thousands if you count the little guys) and never has a steel reinforced building collapsed.  NEVER...wait, wait...twice now...in the same day...and another one just from catching on fire (again...the first time a steel reinforced building has EVER in world history collapsed due to a fire).  So, there you have that...and that info didn't come from a documentary (although I believe it's on most the newer ones now)...it came from FoxNews or 60 Minutes or something CRAZY like that!  Just an FYI...but you never know...there is a first time for everything...could be a crazy coincidence that both firsts happened on the same day.  It's possible, I like to keep an open mind!  Hahaha (i'm hilarious)...refer to post #149 &150 for my take on  an open mind...alright, maybe I am the only one laughing from that...if so, you guys need to keep an open mind!  I'll right...I'll stop, already!
B, C, and D  
#173 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Your post here is not entirely accurate.

 

How am I going against science here? As a matter of fact, science is the reason I have reconsidered. I find it odd that the Twin Towers Collapsed. I also find it odd there is no footage of a plane plunging into the Pentagon. I find it odd that there are firefighters who swear they heard explosives when they were near or in the towers. I find it odd that when you advance frame by frame there does appear to be something strapped to the belly of one of the planes. I find it odd that 4 men with boxcutters were able to hijack these planes in the first place. How many men were on these planes? The hijackers were outnumbered probably 25 to one by just the men, and they pulled this off? Didnt need the help of the documentary to find that one strange. I find George W Bushs statements post 9-11 to be odd.

 

The possible motive here was that Bush needed an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. DO you think he would have had the support of the American people without these attacks?

 

I did not intend to start a fight. You started a fight with me, Pat. Look at your post number 14. You clearly had some previous anger with me for some other polls or something, and attacked me and attempted to insult me. Its fine, I dont care, but Im just responding to your accusation that I created this poll to start a fight.

 

You say that I "backed down". No. Im trying to be smart about this, and admit that I truly am not certain about what happened. That is the truth. The truht is noone, only some people really know for sure, and none of them are us.

 

I understand how all of this sounds. But I also know that this Government is capable of great deception see (Roswell Incident 1947) or the (Philadelphia Experiment),  just to name a couple of many clandestine episodes the government has created in the past.

 

Three days ago I would have balked so hard at all of this a runner could have scored all the way from first. But the documentary made me question the entire thing.

In the event of a hijacking, the proper protocol has always been to cooperate with the hijackers, and give them pretty much whatever they want. There had never been an incident quite like this in the past, and normally, the hijackings resulted in a safe landing somewhere besides the scheduled destination, and the passengers nearly always ended up alive. Had the hijackers followed the typical hijacking habits, that's what would have happened. NO ONE could have predicted that they planned to fly the planes INTO a building. Everyone acts like it's common sense to just try to fight the hijackers...but before 9-11, that was simply not the case.

Also, it's interesting that most of the footage surrounding that flight DOESN'T show this mythical object strapped to the belly of the plane. This would require the full cooperation of EVERYONE, including the pilot (who would sense a difference in the plane's reaction to various movements, since things like that make a HUGE difference at high speeds). It would also require the cooperation of everyone at the airport. And dozens of people are present and involved in a plane taking off. ALL of them could have been held liable, if it was discovered that they let a plane take off with a foreign object like that attached to it. If it was noticeable from the videos, it would damn sure be noticeable from the ground during takeoff. If the planes were switched somehow, as you have suggested earlier, this would have taken cooperation from hundreds of air traffic controllers across the northeast. EVERY plane that takes off is tracked for the entire time it's in the air, by military, civilian DoD, and civilian organizations at all times. They would ALL have had to disregard whatever happened to the original plane, if that had happened.

There are more and more holes in the story, the more you really think about it, but just by that VERY basic reasoning that I just talked about, it is nearly impossible that such a huge event could have taken place and NONE of the thousands of people involved would leak something substantial. If it were really true, then these conspiracy theorists would have a LOT easier jobs, because there would be ACTUAL PROOF.

Maybe someday, you'll use the intelligence that you claim you have, and you won't just blindly listen to stuff like this. Instead of letting these videos open your eyes, open your OWN eyes beforehand, and actually analyze the facts. It doesn't take much to realize that this particular theory has more holes than your average colander.
They have withheld information  
#174 | 2616 days ago
adamace (+)

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

and you.......hahaha......MR. CAPS LOCK CARTERA.....you got a lotta nerve talkin that nonsense.

wish i could jump through your computer screen and ring your neck. then i'd press your caps lock button.

then i'd say the Pledge of Allegiance and sing the Star Spangled Banner while standing on your head.

HOW'S THAT FOR FOREIGN RELATIONS?
The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#175 | 2616 days ago

adamace wrote:
essay? hahahaha...you calling me a term paper?

i think it's spelled ese. i wouldn't know.

as far as the IQ thingy, i took the test once. doesn't mean anything to me since i have absolutely no need to prove anything to you. i wouldn't lie to you about it.

133......just a number, buddy.

9/11....that's another number too, and it was a terrorist attack. i don't have to take a test to know that.



I think we ALL agree it was a terrorist attack...the question being argued, although nobody wants to throw it out there...instead everyone wants to walk around this elephant in the room, is who were the terrorists that day?
B, C, and D  
#176 | 2616 days ago
rootman54 (+)

(Edited by rootman54)
theshrewdone wrote:
Oh, forgot something...somebody had asked how we knew if a building can survive a plane crashing into it...how many times has it happened...etc.

Planes have crashed into skyscrapers hundreds of times (737-757...thousands if you count the little guys) and never has a steel reinforced building collapsed.  NEVER...wait, wait...twice now...in the same day...and another one just from catching on fire (again...the first time a steel reinforced building has EVER in world history collapsed due to a fire).  So, there you have that...and that info didn't come from a documentary (although I believe it's on most the newer ones now)...it came from FoxNews or 60 Minutes or something CRAZY like that!  Just an FYI...but you never know...there is a first time for everything...could be a crazy coincidence that both firsts happened on the same day.  It's possible, I like to keep an open mind!  Hahaha (i'm hilarious)...refer to post #149 &150 for my take on  an open mind...alright, maybe I am the only one laughing from that...if so, you guys need to keep an open mind!  I'll right...I'll stop, already!
That was in the newer loosechange one lol.  I had to laugh at that, one of the buildings was built in the 40's and didnt fall, another in venezuela and burned almost 24 hrs, didnt fall, then the 3 that fell on 9/11 do so in almost freefall, aprox 10 sec. What great engineering we have.
B and C  
#177 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
Oh, forgot something...somebody had asked how we knew if a building can survive a plane crashing into it...how many times has it happened...etc.

Planes have crashed into skyscrapers hundreds of times (737-757...thousands if you count the little guys) and never has a steel reinforced building collapsed.  NEVER...wait, wait...twice now...in the same day...and another one just from catching on fire (again...the first time a steel reinforced building has EVER in world history collapsed due to a fire).  So, there you have that...and that info didn't come from a documentary (although I believe it's on most the newer ones now)...it came from FoxNews or 60 Minutes or something CRAZY like that!  Just an FYI...but you never know...there is a first time for everything...could be a crazy coincidence that both firsts happened on the same day.  It's possible, I like to keep an open mind!  Hahaha (i'm hilarious)...refer to post #149 &150 for my take on  an open mind...alright, maybe I am the only one laughing from that...if so, you guys need to keep an open mind!  I'll right...I'll stop, already!
The building collapsed just from fire?

You must have missed the video of a HUGE PLANE FLYING INTO IT...

I dunno...maybe that had SOMETHING to do with it...
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#178 | 2616 days ago
adamace (+)

theshrewdone wrote:
I think we ALL agree it was a terrorist attack...the question being argued, although nobody wants to throw it out there...instead everyone wants to walk around this elephant in the room, is who were the terrorists that day?
Osama and his homeboys.

the Taliban and its network of terror.
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#179 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:
Ok heres the thing, if you dont believe that it is a reflection of light, then it cant possibly be a commercial airliner. If thats true, that means there is indeed a conspiracy. So you are saying that you believe the conspiracy then?
I believe some of the "Conspiracy Theories" pertaining to that day...not all of them, by any means...but some...depends on the evidence pertaining to the individual issue.  There are way too many unanswered questions...and when the Official White House Report (I believe the real title is something like the 9/11 Report) uses itself as a reference to back up much of the statements it makes...well...that's ludicrous.  That's like me telling Pat...you want evidence?  Look at what I just said...that's the evidence! (And yes, Pat...you can find that report on the internet...I would look for a .gov or "loc"- library of congress - site so verify it's not something doctored by our many talented photoshop personnel enlisted in the conspiracy!)
B, C, and D  
#180 | 2616 days ago

Try this video for the Pentagon.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4HuOFwpEbA
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#181 | 2616 days ago
rootman54 (+)

I have a joke about Osama to lighten the mood...

Chelsea Clinton was departing her plane at the airport and came upon a
soldier and proceeded to talk to him. She asked him where he had been, to which he replied "Baghdad". She praised him for what he had done for the country and asked "Were you scared?"

He replied, "No, but I am scared about what I am facing as I return to the United States."

Chelsea asked, "What are you afraid of as you return to the United States?"

He looked seriously at her and said "I am afraid of three things: Osama, Obama and Yomama."

B and C  
#182 | 2616 days ago

Pat wrote:
The building collapsed just from fire?

You must have missed the video of a HUGE PLANE FLYING INTO IT...

I dunno...maybe that had SOMETHING to do with it...
Tower 7...the one that didn't get hit...come on, now...I'm not completely out of my mind!  Burning debris fell onto it from the other two and it caught on fire...later "collapsed from the fire".
B, C, and D  
#183 | 2616 days ago

Another joke, to make us all smile, i hope.

 

A Mafia Godfather finds out that his bookkeeper
has cheated him out of ten million bucks.

His bookkeeper is deaf.
That was the reason he got the job in the first place.

It was assumed that a deaf bookkeeper would not
hear anything that he might have to testify about in court.

When the Godfather goes to confront the bookkeeper
about his missing $10 million, he brings along his attorney,
who knows sign language.

The Godfather tells the lawyer "Ask him where the
10 million bucks he embezzled from me is.

The attorney, using sign language, asks the bookkeeper

The bookkeeper signs back: "I don't know what you
are talking about." The attorney tells the God father:
"He says he doesn't know what you're talking about."

The Godfather pulls out a pistol, puts it to the
bookkeeper's temple and says, "Ask him again!"

The attorney signs to the bookkeeper:
"He'll kill you if you don't tell him!"

The bookkeeper signs back: "OK! You win!
The money is in a brown briefcase, buried behind the shed
in my cousin Enzo's backyard in Queens!"

The Godfather asks the attorney: "Well, what'd he say?"

The attorney replies: "He says you don't have the
balls to pull the trigger."

Don't you just love lawyers?

B and C  
#184 | 2616 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

Excuse me??? Did you just claim that the United States deserved to be attacked??

I can't believe with all the fighting going on here that you guys failed to notice someone who said "The US got bombed, big deal."
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#185 | 2616 days ago

Natasha wrote:
Excuse me??? Did you just claim that the United States deserved to be attacked??

I can't believe with all the fighting going on here that you guys failed to notice someone who said "The US got bombed, big deal."
I noticed it, and commented immediately.
B and C  
#186 | 2616 days ago

Natasha wrote:
Excuse me??? Did you just claim that the United States deserved to be attacked??

I can't believe with all the fighting going on here that you guys failed to notice someone who said "The US got bombed, big deal."
yep...it got noticed, and honestly I thought desertrat's reply pretty much summed it up...Nate's was pretty good, too.
B, C, and D  
#187 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
Tower 7...the one that didn't get hit...come on, now...I'm not completely out of my mind!  Burning debris fell onto it from the other two and it caught on fire...later "collapsed from the fire".
How heavy would you estimate that burning debris to be?  Would it have been enough to damage the roof of the building?  What burns hotter a fire inside a building or fire outside of a building?  Is it possible that while jet fuel burns at 1500 degree that being inside of a building and spreading rapidly, and the insulation from the remaining walls cause a super heating phenomena which happens in most indoor fires?  Could also the fact that a 747 Jet hitting both of the buildings weakend the structures of all the buildings?  Remember these building are very close, people in building 2 felt it when building one was hit.  Is it possible, because tower 7 didn't fall at the same time the other towers fell that it might have suffered more structural damage after the two towers fell?  Since all the videos of conspiracy theories have offered no more than just a thousand questions I figured I would ask my own.
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#188 | 2616 days ago

Nate wrote:
How heavy would you estimate that burning debris to be?  Would it have been enough to damage the roof of the building?  What burns hotter a fire inside a building or fire outside of a building?  Is it possible that while jet fuel burns at 1500 degree that being inside of a building and spreading rapidly, and the insulation from the remaining walls cause a super heating phenomena which happens in most indoor fires?  Could also the fact that a 747 Jet hitting both of the buildings weakend the structures of all the buildings?  Remember these building are very close, people in building 2 felt it when building one was hit.  Is it possible, because tower 7 didn't fall at the same time the other towers fell that it might have suffered more structural damage after the two towers fell?  Since all the videos of conspiracy theories have offered no more than just a thousand questions I figured I would ask my own.
What if there's a meth lab on the 82nd floor, would the chemicals increase the temperature of the fire?
B and C  
#189 | 2616 days ago

Tower 7 may well have suffered damage from the earth shaking when several million tons of concrete and steel fell from as high as 1000 feet. I'm sure the shockwaves were felt for miles and would have sounded like multiple explosions. hmmm....
B and C  
#190 | 2616 days ago

desertrat wrote:
What if there's a meth lab on the 82nd floor, would the chemicals increase the temperature of the fire?
And for a second there I thought we were on the same page.
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#191 | 2616 days ago

Nate wrote:
And for a second there I thought we were on the same page.
We are, I'm just tired of this debate. 90% of us pretty much think the same thing here but the 10% has been very vocal.
B and C  
#192 | 2616 days ago

desertrat wrote:
Tower 7 may well have suffered damage from the earth shaking when several million tons of concrete and steel fell from as high as 1000 feet. I'm sure the shockwaves were felt for miles and would have sounded like multiple explosions. hmmm....
You know in the Oklahoma City bombings people a city over felt there window shake from it.
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#193 | 2616 days ago

Nate wrote:
How heavy would you estimate that burning debris to be?  Would it have been enough to damage the roof of the building?  What burns hotter a fire inside a building or fire outside of a building?  Is it possible that while jet fuel burns at 1500 degree that being inside of a building and spreading rapidly, and the insulation from the remaining walls cause a super heating phenomena which happens in most indoor fires?  Could also the fact that a 747 Jet hitting both of the buildings weakend the structures of all the buildings?  Remember these building are very close, people in building 2 felt it when building one was hit.  Is it possible, because tower 7 didn't fall at the same time the other towers fell that it might have suffered more structural damage after the two towers fell?  Since all the videos of conspiracy theories have offered no more than just a thousand questions I figured I would ask my own.
There were many buildings CLOSER to the the Twin Towers that got more debris...also caught on fire...and didn't fall...Building 7, if I remember my information correctly, was on the other end of the WTC compound (not saying there were multiple buildings between TT's and #7...but they were a fair bit apart).  Jet fuel would burn off almost instantaneously and would not maintain the fire at 1500 degrees...steel reaches it's weakening point at 2400 degrees and melting point at 3000 degrees.  1500 does not equal either of those, it turns out.  Here's a map of the WTC
B, C, and D  
#194 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by theshrewdone)
desertrat wrote:
Tower 7 may well have suffered damage from the earth shaking when several million tons of concrete and steel fell from as high as 1000 feet. I'm sure the shockwaves were felt for miles and would have sounded like multiple explosions. hmmm....
again what about the other buildings...and not just in WTC...opposite TT's on West Street and Liberty Street there were multiple buildings (skyscrapers...not as tall as TT's, but taller than 7).
B, C, and D  
#195 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by theshrewdone)
Nate wrote:
You know in the Oklahoma City bombings people a city over felt there window shake from it.
all the windows opposite TT's on West Street and Liberty Street had their windows blown out...they caught on fire...they received more debris...they survived, well structurally, anyway.

I'm not saying it's not theoretically possible...almost anything is theoretically possible.  But, if I wanted to buy into theoretical possibilities, I would become a theoretical mathematician/physicist.

On a lighter note...that is the first picture I've ever loaded onto FanIQ (minus my card pics) so I'm kinda happy...feel like I've conquered a milestone...get to put a check in the "things to do before I die" box!  SWEET!

Time for this guy to hit the rack...although it was fun taking part in the discussion, I think it was more entertaining watching Bay and Pat go back and forth!

Remember, it's not about changing anyone's mind...it's about asking the questions and making everyone think...what's the worst thing that happens?  We all do some research and understand a little more why we believe what we believe?
B, C, and D  
#196 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
There were many buildings CLOSER to the the Twin Towers that got more debris...also caught on fire...and didn't fall...Building 7, if I remember my information correctly, was on the other end of the WTC compound (not saying there were multiple buildings between TT's and #7...but they were a fair bit apart).  Jet fuel would burn off almost instantaneously and would not maintain the fire at 1500 degrees...steel reaches it's weakening point at 2400 degrees and melting point at 3000 degrees.  1500 does not equal either of those, it turns out.  Here's a map of the WTC
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
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#197 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
again what about the other buildings...and not just in WTC...opposite TT's on West Street and Liberty Street there were multiple buildings (skyscrapers...not as tall as TT's, but taller than 7).

Good question. Why do some buildings collapse in an earthquake and other buildings much older next door don't? There have been people studying this type of phenomena for a lot of years. There is the matter of the ground the building sits on top of, was it once landfill or is it bedrock? There is the shock waves to consider as well, a wave may be a ripple at one point and it peaks at another point further away. Earthquakes act in this way, an earthquake centered 55 miles south of San Francisco in 1991 caused buildings and freeways to collapse 50-70 miles away while many that were near the epicenter were unharmed. If you can solve that riddle, you'd be a wealthy man.

B and C  
#198 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by theshrewdone)
JBrenn wrote:
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
yep...the type of steel he's talking about...I don't know the differences, but I do know there's a lot of types/treatments and the designer and overseer of construction of the TT's gave out the numbers I put down.

Again, I suggested people go to that website...I know what it says...remember...it has an agenda...to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement.  But there is a possibility that the designer threw out bogus numbers...or his info was mixed up in translation...one thing's for sure...if the Government would let scientists test the steel found in the wreckage, the answers could be solved...easy.  Most of "my type" just have some questions and want the answers...not anything hard...but the Gmnt won't allow us to even spend our own money to look at it...won't let independent agencies do it...and won't release the info on their own studies.  Not saying anything in there...maybe they have some info they don't want released for security reasons (not pertaining to conspiracy issue)...theoreticals are out there...and there is massive amounts of "evidence" on both sides...but both can't be right.

What I believe could be wrong, I'm aware of that...but you all need to understand that what you believe could be wrong, too.
B, C, and D  
#199 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
yep...the type of steel he's talking about...I don't know the differences, but I do know there's a lot of types/treatments and the designer and overseer of construction of the TT's gave out the numbers I put down.

Again, I suggested people go to that website...I know what it says...remember...it has an agenda...to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement.  But there is a possibility that the designer threw out bogus numbers...or his info was mixed up in translation...one thing's for sure...if the Government would let scientists test the steel found in the wreckage, the answers could be solved...easy.  Most of "my type" just have some questions and want the answers...not anything hard...but the Gmnt won't allow us to even spend our own money to look at it...won't let independent agencies do it...and won't release the info on their own studies.  Not saying anything in there...maybe they have some info they don't want released for security reasons (not pertaining to conspiracy issue)...theoreticals are out there...and there is massive amounts of "evidence" on both sides...but both can't be right.

What I believe could be wrong, I'm aware of that...but you all need to understand that what you believe could be wrong, too.
The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
B and C  
#200 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by Nate)
theshrewdone wrote:
There were many buildings CLOSER to the the Twin Towers that got more debris...also caught on fire...and didn't fall...Building 7, if I remember my information correctly, was on the other end of the WTC compound (not saying there were multiple buildings between TT's and #7...but they were a fair bit apart).  Jet fuel would burn off almost instantaneously and would not maintain the fire at 1500 degrees...steel reaches it's weakening point at 2400 degrees and melting point at 3000 degrees.  1500 does not equal either of those, it turns out.  Here's a map of the WTC
Good job on posting the picture.  First let's look at building 4, 5, and 6.  The buildings are lower to the ground, their width is wider than there hight, which would allow them to absorb more energy than a building that stand several stories higher than it is wide.  Now if we look at tower 7 it stands taller than the other buildings has a more narrow base and stands several stories high.  All of the buildings received structural damage when towers 1 and 2 came down.  Only tower 7 fell down.  You can test this theory rather easily, lay three dominoes down with the dots facing the table and set one standing straight up.  If you shake the table which one is going to fall?  Now the argument will move to well why did the building collapse in on it's self rather than fall over?  Well unlike the dominoes tower seven is built into it's foundation, and rather than being one solid component it's made of several thousand steel beams.  When the towers one and 2 fall it sent shock waves into all of the buildings, causing the beams to sway one direction than to slap back into the other direction.  It would have caused equal stress on all of the beams and could upon reseting the beams then gave way from the top (where most of the weight is) down.  Causing the building to collapse in on its self rather than toppling one way or another.
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#201 | 2616 days ago

desertrat wrote:

Good question. Why do some buildings collapse in an earthquake and other buildings much older next door don't? There have been people studying this type of phenomena for a lot of years. There is the matter of the ground the building sits on top of, was it once landfill or is it bedrock? There is the shock waves to consider as well, a wave may be a ripple at one point and it peaks at another point further away. Earthquakes act in this way, an earthquake centered 55 miles south of San Francisco in 1991 caused buildings and freeways to collapse 50-70 miles away while many that were near the epicenter were unharmed. If you can solve that riddle, you'd be a wealthy man.

I like your arguments, er pointers...they are good, seemingly well though out and rational points and thought provoking, too.  Much better than certain people attacking each other's character.
B, C, and D  
#202 | 2616 days ago

theshrewdone wrote:
I like your arguments, er pointers...they are good, seemingly well though out and rational points and thought provoking, too.  Much better than certain people attacking each other's character.
Well said.
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#203 | 2616 days ago

Nate wrote:
You know in the Oklahoma City bombings people a city over felt there window shake from it.
Actually... I was in school about 35 min away... our school shook and they evacuated us... we had no idea what happened. Everyone thought it was an earthquake or something, except that didn't explain the sonic boom type noise... when we got back into school we watched the News until everyone's parents came to get them...
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#204 | 2616 days ago

desertrat wrote:

Good question. Why do some buildings collapse in an earthquake and other buildings much older next door don't? There have been people studying this type of phenomena for a lot of years. There is the matter of the ground the building sits on top of, was it once landfill or is it bedrock? There is the shock waves to consider as well, a wave may be a ripple at one point and it peaks at another point further away. Earthquakes act in this way, an earthquake centered 55 miles south of San Francisco in 1991 caused buildings and freeways to collapse 50-70 miles away while many that were near the epicenter were unharmed. If you can solve that riddle, you'd be a wealthy man.

In OKC after the bombing all of the buildings for blocks were damaged and had their windows blown out... but less than a block away was an old church that stood unharmed...
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#205 | 2616 days ago

Nate wrote:
Good job on posting the picture.  First let's look at building 4, 5, and 6.  The buildings are lower to the ground, their width is wider than there hight, which would allow them to absorb more energy than a building that stand several stories higher than it is wide.  Now if we look at tower 7 it stands taller than the other buildings has a more narrow base and stands several stories high.  All of the buildings received structural damage when towers 1 and 2 came down.  Only tower 7 fell down.  You can test this theory rather easily, lay three dominoes down with the dots facing the table and set one standing straight up.  If you shake the table which one is going to fall?  Now the argument will move to well why did the building collapse in on it's self rather than fall over?  Well unlike the dominoes tower seven is built into it's foundation, and rather than being one solid component it's made of several thousand steel beams.  When the towers one and 2 fall it sent shock waves into all of the buildings, causing the beams to sway one direction than to slap back into the other direction.  It would have caused equal stress on all of the beams and could upon reseting the beams then gave way from the top (where most of the weight is) down.  Causing the building to collapse in on its self rather than toppling one way or another.
One other factor to add to the stress of that building was the force of the wind that hit it when the towers collapsed. That only added to the shaking effect.
B and C  
#206 | 2616 days ago
goblue! (+)

bayareabeast2 wrote:

And I find you and your pitiful existence funny.

 

Here we go again, Im getting tag teamed by the faniq couple! You guys are so lame, for real. I created a poll, state some things I have seen that seemed unusual to me, and heres the jerkoff that has something to prove trying to impress his girlfriend then she comes out of the bushes and joins him.

 

Stick to the topic, or leave.

yeah damn them i always get tag teamed by them two damn them!
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#207 | 2616 days ago
goblue! (+)

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Good for you. If your lack of intelligence is unable to inform you that I was responding to your ridiculous comment, I dont know what else can be said. I can't really help you, Pat. Noone can. I know a good burger joint around here thats always hiring, once you get out of the military. Its called Burger King.

 

   Way to go, chump.

wow you must really not like each other wow
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#208 | 2616 days ago
goblue! (+)

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

ok ... Japan attacked the USA  on December 7 ,1941 killed thousands of military personel and during the war in the Pacific we had two goals cut off Japans supply lines to the guadacanal and stop the making or the burmese bridge after that was sucessful the United States Military wanted to end the war in the Pacific Theatre sooner then later so we began to plan an invasion of tokyo but it was decied that the death number would be too high so we dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan to end the war but they were resilent and didnt surrender until a month later and yes we dropped Atomic bombs on schools hospitals and everything else but that is war it was them or us and its not like were the only ones who have ever killed children and women war has been in the world since civilation begun so i guess what im trying to say is: UNITED STATES- Love it or Leave it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#209 | 2616 days ago

This thread is simply amazing. People have so much hatred for Bush they actually think the govt. did this. Unreal!
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#210 | 2616 days ago

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Go to this link for those of you who belive the Towers were a controlled demolition.

 

An airplane is a hollow tube made extremely light for the simple reason upon impact it will practically disintegrate.
http://www.bofunk.com/video/1027/rocket_disintegrates.html
take a look at that video to understand.  That is a F-4 Phantom being launched into a reinforced wall at 500 MPH, the Phantom is a big plane, not as big as an airliner, but much more sturdy.  Now the Pentagon is like a fortress so the airliner would have disintegrated much like the plane in the video.  If you disagree you are going to have to prove it to me

I am sure we have all seen the controlled demolitions on the discovery channel and the like.  For the Towers to have been brought down in this manner would have taken several months of planning and great care in the placement of detonation cord and explosives.  The sheer size of that job would have used a forest of wires to each of the explosives each of those strategically placed.  Or did you think they just dropped of a suitcase somewhere?  Really do you think no one noticed all the wires, or explosives taped to the structural columns?  None of the firemen or police running into the building BEFORE the collapse noticed that the building was rigged to explode?

To believe the conspiracy theories from Rosie and her ilk is an obscenity, nothing more and you are dishonoring all the people who died in that attack, and those who have died since defending our country.  Yes I lost a friend in the Trade Center, and yes I have family in the military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.  But not for a second would I ever believe the government would have something to do with such a cowardly attack.

The Government has been fully forthcoming and truthful  
#211 | 2616 days ago

I keep waiting for Dale Gribble to appear in this thread.

 

 

 

NM.  There he is.

Other  
#212 | 2616 days ago

RunningDawg wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Go to this link for those of you who belive the Towers were a controlled demolition.

 

An airplane is a hollow tube made extremely light for the simple reason upon impact it will practically disintegrate.
http://www.bofunk.com/video/1027/rocket_disintegrates.html
take a look at that video to understand.  That is a F-4 Phantom being launched into a reinforced wall at 500 MPH, the Phantom is a big plane, not as big as an airliner, but much more sturdy.  Now the Pentagon is like a fortress so the airliner would have disintegrated much like the plane in the video.  If you disagree you are going to have to prove it to me

I am sure we have all seen the controlled demolitions on the discovery channel and the like.  For the Towers to have been brought down in this manner would have taken several months of planning and great care in the placement of detonation cord and explosives.  The sheer size of that job would have used a forest of wires to each of the explosives each of those strategically placed.  Or did you think they just dropped of a suitcase somewhere?  Really do you think no one noticed all the wires, or explosives taped to the structural columns?  None of the firemen or police running into the building BEFORE the collapse noticed that the building was rigged to explode?

To believe the conspiracy theories from Rosie and her ilk is an obscenity, nothing more and you are dishonoring all the people who died in that attack, and those who have died since defending our country.  Yes I lost a friend in the Trade Center, and yes I have family in the military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.  But not for a second would I ever believe the government would have something to do with such a cowardly attack.

Don't bother, there is no changing minds of those corrupted by Michael Moore and Fat Rosie O.

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#213 | 2616 days ago

Flea_jm14 wrote:

I keep waiting for Dale Gribble to appear in this thread.

 

 

 

NM.  There he is.

I think Gribble would probably suggest aliens lol.
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#214 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

adamace wrote:
and you.......hahaha......MR. CAPS LOCK CARTERA.....you got a lotta nerve talkin that nonsense.

wish i could jump through your computer screen and ring your neck. then i'd press your caps lock button.

then i'd say the Pledge of Allegiance and sing the Star Spangled Banner while standing on your head.

HOW'S THAT FOR FOREIGN RELATIONS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS FUNNY!
B, C, and D  
#215 | 2616 days ago

Natasha is taking joking a little too seriously, so she deleted my comment before that, so none of the other comment makes sense...
B and C  
#216 | 2616 days ago
bayareabeast2 (+)

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

You are quite possibly the dumbest human being who has ever resided on this planet, and I would be performing a public service by grabbing you by the throat and squeezing until you finally stopped struggling.
B, C, and D  
#217 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by Eric)
cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

*Picture deleted*
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#218 | 2616 days ago

RunningDawg wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Go to this link for those of you who belive the Towers were a controlled demolition.

 

An airplane is a hollow tube made extremely light for the simple reason upon impact it will practically disintegrate.
http://www.bofunk.com/video/1027/rocket_disintegrates.html
take a look at that video to understand.  That is a F-4 Phantom being launched into a reinforced wall at 500 MPH, the Phantom is a big plane, not as big as an airliner, but much more sturdy.  Now the Pentagon is like a fortress so the airliner would have disintegrated much like the plane in the video.  If you disagree you are going to have to prove it to me

I am sure we have all seen the controlled demolitions on the discovery channel and the like.  For the Towers to have been brought down in this manner would have taken several months of planning and great care in the placement of detonation cord and explosives.  The sheer size of that job would have used a forest of wires to each of the explosives each of those strategically placed.  Or did you think they just dropped of a suitcase somewhere?  Really do you think no one noticed all the wires, or explosives taped to the structural columns?  None of the firemen or police running into the building BEFORE the collapse noticed that the building was rigged to explode?

To believe the conspiracy theories from Rosie and her ilk is an obscenity, nothing more and you are dishonoring all the people who died in that attack, and those who have died since defending our country.  Yes I lost a friend in the Trade Center, and yes I have family in the military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.  But not for a second would I ever believe the government would have something to do with such a cowardly attack.

Nice post, but there is one thing wrong in it. There would be no wires needed at all to fire any explosives, it can all be done remotely and wireless, just like this laptop I'm using.
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#219 | 2616 days ago

RunningDawg wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Go to this link for those of you who belive the Towers were a controlled demolition.

 

An airplane is a hollow tube made extremely light for the simple reason upon impact it will practically disintegrate.
http://www.bofunk.com/video/1027/rocket_disintegrates.html
take a look at that video to understand.  That is a F-4 Phantom being launched into a reinforced wall at 500 MPH, the Phantom is a big plane, not as big as an airliner, but much more sturdy.  Now the Pentagon is like a fortress so the airliner would have disintegrated much like the plane in the video.  If you disagree you are going to have to prove it to me

I am sure we have all seen the controlled demolitions on the discovery channel and the like.  For the Towers to have been brought down in this manner would have taken several months of planning and great care in the placement of detonation cord and explosives.  The sheer size of that job would have used a forest of wires to each of the explosives each of those strategically placed.  Or did you think they just dropped of a suitcase somewhere?  Really do you think no one noticed all the wires, or explosives taped to the structural columns?  None of the firemen or police running into the building BEFORE the collapse noticed that the building was rigged to explode?

To believe the conspiracy theories from Rosie and her ilk is an obscenity, nothing more and you are dishonoring all the people who died in that attack, and those who have died since defending our country.  Yes I lost a friend in the Trade Center, and yes I have family in the military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.  But not for a second would I ever believe the government would have something to do with such a cowardly attack.

Thank goodness there is another voice of reason around here...

 

Sorry to hear about your loss, Dawg.

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#220 | 2616 days ago
goblue! (+)

bayareabeast2 wrote:
You are quite possibly the dumbest human being who has ever resided on this planet, and I would be performing a public service by grabbing you by the throat and squeezing until you finally stopped struggling.
not quite possibly -he is
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#221 | 2616 days ago

Holy shmokes! This thread needs to be retired to a separate archive. I don't see how anyone could sit through and read all this who joined in late.

 

Damn!

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#222 | 2616 days ago

detroitduke wrote:

Holy shmokes! This thread needs to be retired to a separate archive. I don't see how anyone could sit through and read all this who joined in late.

 

Damn!

That's OK, about half of them aren't worth reading anyways. 
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#223 | 2616 days ago

When it turned into personal attacks, I began skimming through at warp speed.

 

As a result, I almost missed Adam's reply to CAPSLOCKCARTERA.

 

Semper Fi

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#224 | 2616 days ago
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detroitduke wrote:

When it turned into personal attacks, I began skimming through at warp speed.

 

As a result, I almost missed Adam's reply to CAPSLOCKCARTERA.

 

Semper Fi

........and God Bless America!

 

shout outs to our military, police, and firefighter brethren and also to anyone who lost a loved one due to war or an attack on our beloved country.

 

I LOVE BEING AMERICAN!!!

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#225 | 2616 days ago

adamace wrote:

........and God Bless America!

 

shout outs to our military, police, and firefighter brethren and also to anyone who lost a loved one due to war or an attack on our beloved country.

 

I LOVE BEING AMERICAN!!!

I wish to add to that and want to thank all of our uniformed serviceman. Without them we wouldn't have this great country that we sometimes take for granted.
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#226 | 2616 days ago

Just think, in a few days, a certain country of ours is celebrating a birthday...
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#227 | 2616 days ago

Shrugging Atlas wrote:

Thank goodness there is another voice of reason around here...

 

Sorry to hear about your loss, Dawg.

Thanks for the kind words.
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#228 | 2616 days ago

goblue! wrote:
ok ... Japan attacked the USA  on December 7 ,1941 killed thousands of military personel and during the war in the Pacific we had two goals cut off Japans supply lines to the guadacanal and stop the making or the burmese bridge after that was sucessful the United States Military wanted to end the war in the Pacific Theatre sooner then later so we began to plan an invasion of tokyo but it was decied that the death number would be too high so we dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan to end the war but they were resilent and didnt surrender until a month later and yes we dropped Atomic bombs on schools hospitals and everything else but that is war it was them or us and its not like were the only ones who have ever killed children and women war has been in the world since civilation begun so i guess what im trying to say is: UNITED STATES- Love it or Leave it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good points.
The worst atrocities and war crimes (in the Pacific theater anyway)?  The Rape of Nanking, perhaps?
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#229 | 2616 days ago

Umm... Imma have to ask you to make that a little nicer...
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#230 | 2616 days ago

Natasha wrote:
Umm... Imma have to ask you to make that a little nicer...
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#231 | 2616 days ago
goblue! (+)

JBrenn wrote:
Good points.
The worst atrocities and war crimes (in the Pacific theater anyway)?  The Rape of Nanking, perhaps?
read this article i didnt know it was that baddd wow http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/12/14/reviews/971214.14schellt.html
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#232 | 2616 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

I noticed you have 2 children, would you feel the same if they were in a building that terrorist blew up? Freaking idiot!
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#233 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by JBrenn)
goblue! wrote:
read this article i didnt know it was that baddd wow http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/12/14/reviews/971214.14schellt.html
The Japanese are now trying to sanitize/censor this by rewriting their textbooks and omitting mention of these atrocities - like ignoring this or denying it means it didn't happen...nearly unbelievable, eh?
Great article, BTW.
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#234 | 2616 days ago
goblue! (+)

JBrenn wrote:
The Japanese are now trying to sanitize/censor this by rewriting their textbooks and omitting mention of these atrocities - like ignoring this or denying it means it didn't happen...nearly unbelievable, eh?
Great article, BTW.
wow the japanese are some jacked up ppl wow ND IT WAS A GREAT article
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#235 | 2616 days ago

JBrenn wrote:
The Japanese are now trying to sanitize/censor this by rewriting their textbooks and omitting mention of these atrocities - like ignoring this or denying it means it didn't happen...nearly unbelievable, eh?
Great article, BTW.
Kind of like Iran teaching their kids that the Holocaust never really happened?
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#236 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by Gazzo)
cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

I hope you die a horrible death. Maybe someone shoots you in the behind and leaves you in a dumpster to bleed out.

(Thats as nice as it gets. Take it or delete it)
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#237 | 2616 days ago

Natasha if you are deleting NYYankee's post, I think carter's crap should be deleted.
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#238 | 2616 days ago

Flousc wrote:
Natasha if you are deleting NYYankee's post, I think carter's crap should be deleted.
I agree 100% with that. Cartera's post is the most offensive crap I've ever seen on this website!
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#239 | 2616 days ago

JBrenn wrote:
The Japanese are now trying to sanitize/censor this by rewriting their textbooks and omitting mention of these atrocities - like ignoring this or denying it means it didn't happen...nearly unbelievable, eh?
Great article, BTW.
I heard they recently renamed "Iwo Jima" as well.  I think it is "Iwo To" now.  I didn't read the whole article...
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#240 | 2616 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

THE US GOT BOMBED, BIG DEAL, THEY KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND NUKED WOMEN, CHILDREN AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE THEEY HAD BEEN "ATTACKED" BY JAPAN.

TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT, OR AVOID BECOMING A TARGET BY CLEANING UP YOUR ACT.

 

I am not justifying the killing of innocent people or saying that those in the Towers deserved to die, just for being Americans. I do believe that if you play with Fire you will get burned, and when do you are allowed to cry but don't act like it's a huge surprise and completely unexpected.

I wish that tragedy had never happened.

The US has had its nose stuck in so many places and ruffled feathers for so long, this was bound to happen sometime and may happen again. HOPEFULLY NOT

I just don't see why the US made such a huge deal of this

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#241 | 2616 days ago

bayareabeast2 wrote:

Controlled demolition style means explosives were used.

Yea I know that. But the building fell that way because of how it was built. Go look it up.
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#242 | 2616 days ago

(Edited by Flousc)
cartera12 wrote:

I am not justifying the killing of innocent people or saying that those in the Towers deserved to die, just for being Americans. I do believe that if you play with Fire you will get burned, and when do you are allowed to cry but don't act like it's a huge surprise and completely unexpected.

I wish that tragedy had never happened.

The US has had its nose stuck in so many places and ruffled feathers for so long, this was bound to happen sometime and may happen again. HOPEFULLY NOT

I just don't see why the US made such a huge deal of this

Ok well you are still an idiot. Do yourself a favor and cut your tongue out of your mouth. Or better yet in this case, cut your fingers off. We make a big deal out of it because they FLEW PLANES into the biggest towers in our country you moron. I'm sorry if you and all the other countries are so jealous of USA, but if not for us, all of you would be nothing.
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#243 | 2616 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

I am not justifying the killing of innocent people or saying that those in the Towers deserved to die, just for being Americans. I do believe that if you play with Fire you will get burned, and when do you are allowed to cry but don't act like it's a huge surprise and completely unexpected.

I wish that tragedy had never happened.

The US has had its nose stuck in so many places and ruffled feathers for so long, this was bound to happen sometime and may happen again. HOPEFULLY NOT

I just don't see why the US made such a huge deal of this

I fear the next time they will set off a nuke in one of our cities. Terrorism isn't a surprise, but your lack of sensitivity towards the events of that tragic day are rather insulting to most of us.
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#244 | 2616 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

I am not justifying the killing of innocent people or saying that those in the Towers deserved to die, just for being Americans. I do believe that if you play with Fire you will get burned, and when do you are allowed to cry but don't act like it's a huge surprise and completely unexpected.

I wish that tragedy had never happened.

The US has had its nose stuck in so many places and ruffled feathers for so long, this was bound to happen sometime and may happen again. HOPEFULLY NOT

I just don't see why the US made such a huge deal of this

Crawl back under the rock you came out from. Go back to Uruguay or wherever your from and just shut it.
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#245 | 2616 days ago

desertrat wrote:
I agree 100% with that. Cartera's post is the most offensive crap I've ever seen on this website!
I'm looking over everything now.
#246 | 2616 days ago

Eric wrote:
I'm looking over everything now.
How about you just cut to the chase, delete Cartera's post, and leave the rest of us alone.
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#247 | 2616 days ago

Flousc wrote:
Natasha if you are deleting NYYankee's post, I think carter's crap should be deleted.
I agree that it is offensive. Obviously... seeing as I made a post to him as well. HOWEVER... he didn't threated anyone.

Do I need to remind you all how when the Crocodile Hunter was killed you all laughed and said he deserved it? Well... that's because you weren't in his family. They would have found your comment super offensive. We are all Americans... that dude is not. His opinion is that we got what was coming to us... I disagree and I think that it was pretty crappy of him to post that. BUT... it's not against the rules. Saying how you'd like to kill someone... IS.
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#248 | 2616 days ago

desertrat wrote:
I fear the next time they will set off a nuke in one of our cities. Terrorism isn't a surprise, but your lack of sensitivity towards the events of that tragic day are rather insulting to most of us.
Part of me wants to try and educate him on how unbelievably insensitive his comments are and not sound like an ugly American...but most of me just wants to backhand him until his grandmomma gets a black eye.  Decisions, decisions.
#249 | 2616 days ago

Natasha wrote:
I agree that it is offensive. Obviously... seeing as I made a post to him as well. HOWEVER... he didn't threated anyone.

Do I need to remind you all how when the Crocodile Hunter was killed you all laughed and said he deserved it? Well... that's because you weren't in his family. They would have found your comment super offensive. We are all Americans... that dude is not. His opinion is that we got what was coming to us... I disagree and I think that it was pretty crappy of him to post that. BUT... it's not against the rules. Saying how you'd like to kill someone... IS.
That is a ridiculous comparison and I hope that you know that. Its not even close to being the same. If he wants to diss America, next time he needs to do it in a Uruguay chat or something. If what he said isn't against the rules, then there is a serious problem.

People have been killed for less.
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#250 | 2616 days ago

How is saying the US got what was coming to it worse than the original post question of "Did the Govt. know this was going down and allowed it to happen anyway"?

I don't think the Govt. did it at least !!!
Y'all gotta take a chill pill and be glad you live where you do.

Have fun at Wal-Mart tonight and go eat a Big Mac

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#251 | 2616 days ago

Beatuofa wrote:
Part of me wants to try and educate him on how unbelievably insensitive his comments are and not sound like an ugly American...but most of me just wants to backhand him until his grandmomma gets a black eye.  Decisions, decisions.
He's actually NOT American. So basically he doesn't even know what he's talking about. If he were... I'd have asked him for his name and address already lol
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#252 | 2616 days ago

cartera12 wrote:

How is saying the US got what was coming to it worse than the original post question of "Did the Govt. know this was going down and allowed it to happen anyway"?

I don't think the Govt. did it at least !!!
Y'all gotta take a chill pill and be glad you live where you do.

Have fun at Wal-Mart tonight and go eat a Big Mac

Have fun living in poverty and sharing your one meal with your entire 76 person family. I hope it stays that way for you forever.
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#253 | 2616 days ago

Gazzo wrote:
That is a ridiculous comparison and I hope that you know that. Its not even close to being the same. If he wants to diss America, next time he needs to do it in a Uruguay chat or something. If what he said isn't against the rules, then there is a serious problem.

People have been killed for less.
It's not a comparison... obviously. It's an analogy. As in... we are all Americans and this is our family. We take things personally that are said about us... as a whole anyways. He's not part of this "family" and has no idea about what a privilege and therefore should be pitied for his foolishness. (as you guys were pitied, by me at least, for being heartless pricks about that)
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#254 | 2616 days ago

Natasha wrote:
It's not a comparison... obviously. It's an analogy. As in... we are all Americans and this is our family. We take things personally that are said about us... as a whole anyways. He's not part of this "family" and has no idea about what a privilege and therefore should be pitied for his foolishness. (as you guys were pitied, by me at least, for being heartless pricks about that)
No matter what you wanna call it, it doesn't correlate. The two things are not even on the same wavelength.
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#255 | 2616 days ago

Natasha wrote:
He's actually NOT American. So basically he doesn't even know what he's talking about. If he were... I'd have asked him for his name and address already lol
Oh I know he's not American, I was just saying I didn't wanna sound like the stereotypical "WOOOOO THESE COLORS DON'T RUN, U-S-A! U-S-A! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!11!!!" American who just slapped a $5 flag magnet on his car.  Given how unbelievably ignorant and insensitive his statements and beliefs are though, it's probably not even worth the time or effort.  He just doesn't know and wouldn't get it.
#256 | 2616 days ago

What if I was American?
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#257 | 2616 days ago

cartera12 wrote:
What if I was American?
You probably would have a completely different view of all of this.  BTW, Since Sep.  11, there have been terrorist attacks in at least three other countries, including France, the UK, and Spain.  This isn't just a we hate you America thing, this is we hate you in the western world thing.
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#258 | 2616 days ago

Natasha wrote:
I agree that it is offensive. Obviously... seeing as I made a post to him as well. HOWEVER... he didn't threated anyone.

Do I need to remind you all how when the Crocodile Hunter was killed you all laughed and said he deserved it? Well... that's because you weren't in his family. They would have found your comment super offensive. We are all Americans... that dude is not. His opinion is that we got what was coming to us... I disagree and I think that it was pretty crappy of him to post that. BUT... it's not against the rules. Saying how you'd like to kill someone... IS.
I think his comments are racist. Racist against americans, and racism is against the rules. If it had been his countrymen that died, then he wouldn't make these offensively racist comments!
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