Johnny Unitas put Pro Football on the map, still holds the NFL Record of throwing a TD pass in 47 consecutive games, and called his own plays. No one playing today comes close to the greatness that is Johnny U.

So... let me get this straight... Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb and Joe Namath are on the list, but Steve Young isn't? Yeah, ok...

And FYI, anyone who voted for Ben Roethlisberger is 100% wrong. He's not even the best QB in the NFL. Or even in the top 3. He and Eli Manning are tied for the most incorrect possible answers on this list.

Its very possible that the two best of all-time are playing right now. Tough to judge earlier QBs because passing was not a very large part of the game.

Johnny Unitas put Pro Football on the map, still holds the NFL Record of throwing a TD pass in 47 consecutive games, and called his own plays. No one playing today comes close to the greatness that is Johnny U.

I think you have the wrong name when you're saying Ben Roethlisberger will "re-write the history books." There are two QB's playing today that will do that.  Brett Favre has already done it and Peyton Manning is well on his way to passing Favre in every passing category.  Big Ben is a solid QB in the NFL but he is no where near any of the greats and never will be.  If you wanted to take a homer pick you should have at least said Bradshaw so that you have a legitimate argument here.

FYI, there's a guy in New England who did a little scribbling in the record books here and there, as well.

That's true he has had brilliant seasons and is a definite hall of famer, but as far as career numbers are concerned Manning and Favre have the edge there.

Because they've played more years. But that doesn't make them better, it just makes them older.

Brady has played BETTER than Favre, and just as well as Manning... he just hasn't played as long. And Favre honestly doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Manning OR Brady, unless you're saying "Brett Favre isn't as good as Tom Brady or Peyton Manning".

So... let me get this straight... Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb and Joe Namath are on the list, but Steve Young isn't? Yeah, ok...

And FYI, anyone who voted for Ben Roethlisberger is 100% wrong. He's not even the best QB in the NFL. Or even in the top 3. He and Eli Manning are tied for the most incorrect possible answers on this list.

y'all want to talk records?  take a look at who is in the lead.

1. Brett Favre
2. John Elway
3. Joe Montana
4. Peyton Manning
5. Dan Marino

Montana to me was the best of our time....Peyton is going to be the  best of this time and will surpass montana.I dont think anyone reads a defense and makes the adjustments as well as peyton ,in any time

Montana was phenomenal. Uncannily cool and accurate in those closing minutes. But the more I see of the way Manning (P) can read and adjust to the highly technical defences in this league, the more I realise he may well match Montana. To surpass him he needs more Rings, though no#2 could be close now.

So... let me get this straight... Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb and Joe Namath are on the list, but Steve Young isn't? Yeah, ok...

And FYI, anyone who voted for Ben Roethlisberger is 100% wrong. He's not even the best QB in the NFL. Or even in the top 3. He and Eli Manning are tied for the most incorrect possible answers on this list.

So... let me get this straight... Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb and Joe Namath are on the list, but Steve Young isn't? Yeah, ok...

And FYI, anyone who voted for Ben Roethlisberger is 100% wrong. He's not even the best QB in the NFL. Or even in the top 3. He and Eli Manning are tied for the most incorrect possible answers on this list.

Its very possible that the two best of all-time are playing right now. Tough to judge earlier QBs because passing was not a very large part of the game.

I need to check the record books? That's funny, because Ben's not in there, so I don't know what that would accomplish.

You're delusional if you really think he'll "re-write the record books".

I think the problem is that you think he's the best QB the Steelers have ever had, and you think that's somehow a big deal. The fact is, however, that the Steelers have never, at any point in their career, had a truly elite QB. They're based on rushing and defense, not good QB's. They always have been, and always will be. Ben Roethlisberger will NOT be re-writing any record books. There's really no question about it.

Talk about wrong you are the one who is wrong. Ben Roethlisberger is way better than Steve young. DUHHHHHHH!!!!!! How Many Super Bowl wins does Steve Young have huh well you tell me and I know that Ben Roethlisberger has more. soooooo yeah you are wrong. U R A FRUITCAKE!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I do agree with u about Eli Manning he is horrible!!!!!!!!!

Because Brady and Manning are better than Favre, but I believe Montana is better than all three of them.

Because Brady and Manning are better than Favre, but I believe Montana is better than all three of them.

So... let me get this straight... Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb and Joe Namath are on the list, but Steve Young isn't? Yeah, ok...

And FYI, anyone who voted for Ben Roethlisberger is 100% wrong. He's not even the best QB in the NFL. Or even in the top 3. He and Eli Manning are tied for the most incorrect possible answers on this list.

y'all want to talk records?  take a look at who is in the lead.

1. Brett Favre
2. John Elway
3. Joe Montana
4. Peyton Manning
5. Dan Marino

you are talking about hypotheticals, and that is fine. but i prefer the facts. Its hard to say what he would or would not do in the same time period.

here's one: lead your team to a superbowl victory in under 8 seasons.
or
take your teams to back to back superbowls withing 8 seasons.

I can make them up all day.

you are talking about hypotheticals, and that is fine. but i prefer the facts. Its hard to say what he would or would not do in the same time period.

here's one: lead your team to a superbowl victory in under 8 seasons.
or
take your teams to back to back superbowls withing 8 seasons.

I can make them up all day.

By any and every standard imaginable, Tom Brady is better than Brett Favre. There's really no getting around it. You can sit there and say that Brett has more of this and more of that, but the simple fact is that he has played for far longer than anyone else we're talking about. That doesn't make him better, it just means he played longer.

I'm just going devil's advocate that's all but the position of QB is probably the hardest to stay unhurt at so that type of durability is something that is amazing also to allow him to gather those stats. If we say all QB's stay healthy all the time then maybe he's not up there but just saying.

Lets see, Brady took most of one season to win one Super Bowl, and won 3 in 4 years, and was back in year 6, albeit with a busted foot, so what great QB needs 8 years?  Peyton?  Favre?  I think only Bradshaw won 4 in 6 years and Troy Aikman won 3 in 4 years.

Sunday we get to see if Brees or Peyton is even worthy of the list.  But even winning one doesn't make you great, just ask Eli.  If Peyton chokes, we'll put him in the Dan Marino category. 

For pure excitement and precision passing, I never saw anybody like Dan Marino and the M&M's, but he never won the big one, so he can't be considered greatest. 

Take a look at how many mediocre receivers Brady has had to work with until Moss & Welker came along, and with the exception of Corey Dillon, he had no outstanding running backs either. 

Brady had an off year, which could be attributed to his taking the previous season off, and ended only 102 yards shy of Peyton (4500), who is being billed as the Second Coming on his stats. 

Longevity records like Favre's show good genes, and good fortune more than greatness.  Its winning the big ones that show greatness. 

By any and every standard imaginable, Tom Brady is better than Brett Favre. There's really no getting around it. You can sit there and say that Brett has more of this and more of that, but the simple fact is that he has played for far longer than anyone else we're talking about. That doesn't make him better, it just means he played longer.

ROFLMFAO!  you ask for a stat any stat that makes Farve better than Manning, and when I give one you switch from Manning to Brady.

I would have thought your skills on here would have matured.

nice job of moving the goal posts (NOT!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalpost

LOLOLOL same ole Pat.

Your stat didn't even make Favre better than Manning, for starters. Also, I addressed Manning again in my next comment.

Also, by your own confession in comment #59, Super Bowls do not make one player better than the other. So you really have yet to make a single valid point.

If I were to move the proverbial goalposts, I would need to move them closer to you, just to give you a chance to find them, because you're pretty off base right now.

not at all i couldn't disagree more. So is ben rothlesberger better than Peyton Manning in your opinion?
is Matt Light a better OT than Orlando Pace or Jonathan Ogden, because he won 3 superbowls and the other only won 1? Was Barry Sanders not any good because he never won a superbowl? Was Kevin Faulk better because he did?
your logic is very difficult to follow

Going head to head, Brady's Patriots beat Brees Chargers, Big Ben's  Steelers, and Peyton's Colts throughout the past decade.

Brees (and River's) Chargers beat Peyton's Colts.

Ben's Steelers beat Peyton's Colts.

But Peyton is 1-1 against the Jets in the playoffs during the past decade. 

But the Brady haters can't accept he is possibly the best of all time.

ROFLMFAO!  you ask for a stat any stat that makes Farve better than Manning, and when I give one you switch from Manning to Brady.

I would have thought your skills on here would have matured.

nice job of moving the goal posts (NOT!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalpost

LOLOLOL same ole Pat.

Going head to head, Brady's Patriots beat Brees Chargers, Big Ben's  Steelers, and Peyton's Colts throughout the past decade.

Brees (and River's) Chargers beat Peyton's Colts.

Ben's Steelers beat Peyton's Colts.

But Peyton is 1-1 against the Jets in the playoffs during the past decade. 

But the Brady haters can't accept he is possibly the best of all time.

I think you have the wrong name when you're saying Ben Roethlisberger will "re-write the history books." There are two QB's playing today that will do that.  Brett Favre has already done it and Peyton Manning is well on his way to passing Favre in every passing category.  Big Ben is a solid QB in the NFL but he is no where near any of the greats and never will be.  If you wanted to take a homer pick you should have at least said Bradshaw so that you have a legitimate argument here.

Define "elite quarterback". There is no way you can even come close to a definition the would not include the qualifications already met and surpassed by the starting quarterbacks from the ONLY TEAM to win 6 Superbowl Rings.

Surprised Sammy Baugh isn't up there. He was athlete wise for sure. In a time when the sport and positions were still being defined.  I sapose most everybody who saw him play in the day is either dead or has altimers (old timers) Its a personal and family thing for me sorry if it offends anyone. Wasn't my intention or even negitivly ment in any sort of way.

You can't define a player's career based on the fact that he lost to or beat a certain team once or twice so your point doesn't have much merit

so you can't defend your logic then?  you replied to my questions with some side-stepping comment about Brady and his teams for the deceade and who beats who.  side step all you want your logic is flawed.

is kevin faulk a better running back than barry sanders just because he won 3 super bowls?  I would guess that you may say yes, but you are avoiding answering it because the question is rediculous to consider that K. Faulk could even hold a candle to B. Sanders.  but if you take a player with only one playoff victory over your 3 time super bowl winner then the rest of your logic is in question on players of other positions like your beloved QB.

Is Charles Haley one of the best linebackers ever because he won 5 super bowls?  better than HOF Mike Singletary who won 1SB, better than HOF Lawrence Taylor who won 2SBs, better than HOF Dick Butkus who won 0SBs?  your logic makes me think he is, but reality make me think something else.

I do know one thing: Brady's Pats couldn't beat Eli's Giants...ZING!

No, but when it is done consistently throughout a decade, it does.

 

Consistently? You named one game for each

Go back and look at the playoffs in the '00's, you'll see the Pats beat each of those teams at least twice. 

The Colts have beaten the Pats five out of the last six games they've played, including in January 2007 in the AFC championship game. 

The Colts have beaten the Pats five out of the last six games they've played, including in January 2007 in the AFC championship game. 

And they lost the 6 times before that.  That too was consistent.

So what exactly is your point? If they've just about split the games they have played against each other, how can Brady be better using your awesome logic?

My logic is, not only did he beat all the names above head to head, he also took home 3 Super Bowls rings, and did it with a constantly changing team.  Imagine how much he could have done if he had Moss and Welker for 10 years.  Peyton had the benefit of at the least, Harrison his entire career.  Even Eli could throw for 50K yards to Harrison. 

The logic that's contorted is that which says Peyton is best or Favre is best because they've thrown for 50/70 K yards.  They've both proven they don't have the ability to win the big one, despite incredible teams surrounding them.  Good quarterbacks roll up numbers, great ones win the big games.  Brady is in rare company with Montana and Bradshaw.  Peyton hasn't proven he can win when it matters.  Favre throws interceptions when it matters.

So what's the convoluted logic saying Peyton is the best?  Marino hit targets better, Brady/Montana/Bradshaw won when it mattered, Favre has more mileage. 

Favre and Manning both have a Super Bowl ring so you can't say that they don't know how to win the "big one."  Second Manning is a day away from possibly winning his second Super Bowl.  Third, Manning has never had the team that Brady has had around him.  Last year proved that the Patriots don't necessarily need a star QB to win when Matt Cassel who hadn't started a game since High School led them to an 11-5 record.  Could you imagine Curtis Painter leading the Colts to an 11-5 record? I can't, because it would never happen.  They would struggle to be a .500 team without Manning.  Manning is the Colts.  There has never been a QB asked to do more than Peyton Manning on every snap.  He has done the best of his quarterback work without a good running game in Edgerrin James.  

so you can't defend your logic then?  you replied to my questions with some side-stepping comment about Brady and his teams for the deceade and who beats who.  side step all you want your logic is flawed.

is kevin faulk a better running back than barry sanders just because he won 3 super bowls?  I would guess that you may say yes, but you are avoiding answering it because the question is rediculous to consider that K. Faulk could even hold a candle to B. Sanders.  but if you take a player with only one playoff victory over your 3 time super bowl winner then the rest of your logic is in question on players of other positions like your beloved QB.

Is Charles Haley one of the best linebackers ever because he won 5 super bowls?  better than HOF Mike Singletary who won 1SB, better than HOF Lawrence Taylor who won 2SBs, better than HOF Dick Butkus who won 0SBs?  your logic makes me think he is, but reality make me think something else.

I do know one thing: Brady's Pats couldn't beat Eli's Giants...ZING!

you are delusional. you can try and strawman me all you want to but telling me what I am saying doesn't work, take me out of context if it makes you feel better.
how long did it take for manning (peyton, we all know eli only took 3 years) to win a championship? how long did it take brett? that was in respose to brett and peyton on a time period, and peyton doing everything better.

if it was about longevity instead of greatness we would be talking about Vinny Testaverde.

kinda odd that once the Pats quit taping the practices of thier rivals they are that good anymore, isn't it?

kinda odd that once the Pats quit taping the practices of thier rivals they are that good anymore, isn't it?