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**UFC**111**Hardy vs. St. Pierre**Mir vs. Carwin**3/27 (Edited 02/28/10 02:06PM by Michael G)

**UFC**111**Hardy vs. St. Pierre**Mir vs. Carwin**3/27 <span style="font-size:12px;">(Edited 02/28/10 02:06PM by Michael G)</span> Photo
Featured by: Pat at 2/12/10 8:08PM
Scored by Michael G on 03/27/10 at 12:54PM | Closed on 03/27/10 at 09:00PM
FanIQ Pts? 8 | MMA, Georges St. Pierre, Frank Mir | Multiple Choice Prediction Poll
Team Breakout:
Correct Answer49 Fans 
  1. Who wins? Welterweight Championship (10 points)
Correct88%a. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)
12%b. (Challenger) Dan Hardy (23-6)
  2. Who wins? Interim Heavyweight Chamionship (10 points)
65%a. Frank Mir (13-4)
Correct35%b. Shane Carwin (11-0)
  3. Who wins? (10 points)
Correct51%a. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)
Correct49%b. Jake Ellenberger (22-5)
  4. Who wins? (10 points)
Correct51%a. Jon Fitch (24-3)
Correct49%b. Thiago Alves (22-5)
  5. Who wins? (10 points)
Correct76%a. Nate Diaz (11-5)
24%b. Rory Markham (16-5)
  6. Who Wins? (10 points)
Correct78%a. Jim Miller (16-2)
22%b. Mark Bocek (8-2)
  7. Who Wins? (10 points)
Correct61%a. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)
39%b. Matt Brown (13-7)
  8. Who wins? (10 points)
Correct84%a. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)
16%b. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)
  Tiebreaker: How many of the 8 fights end in submission or knockout
Correct 4

 &nbp;
TOP COMMENT * * * * * * * * * * * *
#33 | 1176 days ago

 hapkido_warrior wrote:
not true because guess what, the guys who fight at 185 walk around at around 200 (225 for anderson silva) so there would be a definitive weight disadvantage. There are stronger guys at 185 so yes there would be a strength disadvantage, you can't just make the claim that none of them can beat the champion without giving them a shot...thats ridiculous. Hendo Vs GSP would have been the fight i suggested, Hendo in my opinion would still be the #1 contender for Silva's title..i haven't seen enough of 'the phenom' to be sure of anything yet. They thought Nate Marquardt was a shoe in also until he ran into chael sonnen (#2 title contender in my mind) Wanderlei isn't a contender yet, great fighter but not up to fighting anderson anymore. People in their weight classes CAN give them a great match, they just aren't given enough chances and popularity is too much of a problem. Champ vs Champ fights would be fine if you didn't have 3-4 contenders lined up and waiting for their shot.
If one doesn't wish to spend one's time defending his title then one should vacate it & move to a division where the competition is more to one's liking .... 'nuff said.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  
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#1 | 1197 days ago

 GSP all the way but I think Hardy makes him work for it.  I'm going with Fran Mir with this one.  I'd like to see Lesnar vs. Mir 3 to settle it.  Ben Saunders is a great kickboxer, which I think wins it for him.  Alves and Fitch is a tough one to call but I'll go with the Alves.  We'll see if Diaz is any better at 170.  I don't think Markham has the ground game to counter Diaz. 
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#2 | 1197 days ago

 Some of these choices are made more with the heart than with objective reasoning.  Oh well; here's hopin'.     
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  
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#3 | 1196 days ago

 i think hardy was thrown to the dogs here, him vs GSP is a mismatch in my mind. I like carwin to win...partially because i don't like mir and partially because i think carwin will do the same thing brock did to mir, carwin and brock have similiar styles (if not used in different ways, but same talents and overall style). Ben saunders is just a great fighter in general, Jake might win by sub but i doubt it, ben also has a really underrated jiu-jitsu game. Jon fitch and alves could easily go either way, i'm leaning towards fitch but not for any logical reason. nate diaz was given a freebie by the UFC it looks like, the man has some of the worst ground game i've seen for a ufc level fighter. Jim miller is one of my personal favorite fighters and i believe one of the best in the LW division and i gave it to matt brown more out of hope than anything else and i would think kurt would win but i don't know a whole lot about fabricio's game.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#4 | 1196 days ago

This card is SICK!!!

1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#5 | 1196 days ago

 This is amazing. GSP dominates. Jon Fitch gets his next title shot. Frank Mir wins by sub (I hope). Jim Miller gets into the title picture with a win. Matt Brown gets the big name win he has been looking for.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#6 | 1194 days ago

 2 great cards in a row I really hope Mir can get the win here although it will be tough. GSP is going to run all over Hardy and after the Saunders vs. Davis fight I think Saunders could make a running for the belt
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#7 | 1193 days ago

 I like Dan Hardy alot but I don't think he stands a chance against Georges and I think Frank Mir wants another shot at Brock so he's gonna want this fight more than Carwin.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#8 | 1193 days ago

 adrisoto86 wrote:
I like Dan Hardy alot but I don't think he stands a chance against Georges and I think Frank Mir wants another shot at Brock so he's gonna want this fight more than Carwin.
i really hate dan hardy and i hope that GSP does some good damage to that pride of his, i can understand how he wants to mess with his opponents by his talking trash method, but i think he goes too far. not even ortiz went as far as hardy has gone in the past, that whole marcus davis issue was disgraceful and i still think davis won that fight..
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#9 | 1190 days ago

 GSP will take it and so will Carwin
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Jake Ellenberger (22-5)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Mark Bocek (8-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#10 | 1186 days ago

 hapkido_warrior wrote:
i really hate dan hardy and i hope that GSP does some good damage to that pride of his, i can understand how he wants to mess with his opponents by his talking trash method, but i think he goes too far. not even ortiz went as far as hardy has gone in the past, that whole marcus davis issue was disgraceful and i still think davis won that fight..
Agreed.  Hardy needs a beatin'. 

If Mir can't beat Carwin, then he still can't beat Lesnar.  Here's to hoping for round 3 of Mir vs Lesnar.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#11 | 1183 days ago

 Have you seen how big Frank Mir has gotten? It is going to be a lot harder for Lesnar to lay on top of him like he did in their last match.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Mark Bocek (8-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  
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#12 | 1183 days ago

 hapkido_warrior wrote:
i really hate dan hardy and i hope that GSP does some good damage to that pride of his, i can understand how he wants to mess with his opponents by his talking trash method, but i think he goes too far. not even ortiz went as far as hardy has gone in the past, that whole marcus davis issue was disgraceful and i still think davis won that fight..
yeah i agree he went to far with Davis but Davis is a grown man, and if he was that sore about a bunch of gay pics than he should've handled Hardy in the octagon when he had the chance, but he didn't.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#13 | 1183 days ago

 adrisoto86 wrote:
yeah i agree he went to far with Davis but Davis is a grown man, and if he was that sore about a bunch of gay pics than he should've handled Hardy in the octagon when he had the chance, but he didn't.
I, along with my colleague Hapkidowarrior, believe that Davis won the fight. This fight might be the most mismatched title fight in UFC history.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#14 | 1183 days ago

 adrisoto86 wrote:
yeah i agree he went to far with Davis but Davis is a grown man, and if he was that sore about a bunch of gay pics than he should've handled Hardy in the octagon when he had the chance, but he didn't.
say, your future career goal isn't to be a future UFC judge is it? because you have about their judgement level! Davis worked damn hard and in my opinion he took that fight...it was incredibly close. Your right he is a grown man...with a little girl who saw those pictures...how do you think that made him feel as a dad?
The man clearly gave it his all in the octagon and i think he should of come out with the W.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#15 | 1183 days ago

 S_Temple wrote:
Have you seen how big Frank Mir has gotten? It is going to be a lot harder for Lesnar to lay on top of him like he did in their last match.
it wasn't just 'laying' on him. Size alone won't help Frank mir, Brock is an incredible wrestler and Mir may have what it takes but he needs to overhaul his jiu-jitsu game and work on pushing the pace and controlling off his back...because if he lays there and waits for brock to make a mistake in their next fight then his face is getting crushed again.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#16 | 1181 days ago

 (Edited by adrisoto86)
hapkido_warrior wrote:
say, your future career goal isn't to be a future UFC judge is it? because you have about their judgement level! Davis worked damn hard and in my opinion he took that fight...it was incredibly close. Your right he is a grown man...with a little girl who saw those pictures...how do you think that made him feel as a dad?
The man clearly gave it his all in the octagon and i think he should of come out with the W.
in my opinion Davis won 1 round that fight. hmmm...that's exactly what the judges thought too! maybe I should change my profession!!!
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#17 | 1181 days ago

 adrisoto86 wrote:
in my opinion Davis won 1 round that fight. hmmm...that's exactly what the judges thought too! maybe I should change my profession!!!
except by then I think the problem of ineffective and terrible judges will be solved.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#18 | 1181 days ago

 hapkido_warrior wrote:
except by then I think the problem of ineffective and terrible judges will be solved.
dude it's in every sport. judges, referees, umpires, etc...they're not perfect and they never will be and we'll keep bitching about them forever. all for nothing. just gotta get over it.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#19 | 1181 days ago

 adrisoto86 wrote:
dude it's in every sport. judges, referees, umpires, etc...they're not perfect and they never will be and we'll keep bitching about them forever. all for nothing. just gotta get over it.
There are some very, very neglegent judges in the UFC...boxing arguably has better judges to some extent. They get it right sometimes but other days they'll give the most outragous numbers i've ever seen.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#20 | 1181 days ago

 (Edited by MacDoogie)
hapkido_warrior wrote:
There are some very, very neglegent judges in the UFC...boxing arguably has better judges to some extent. They get it right sometimes but other days they'll give the most outragous numbers i've ever seen.
Cecil Peoples is terrible. And his name is rediculous. But hey, atleast the US scoring system in better than the Japanese scoring system.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#21 | 1181 days ago

 MacDoogie wrote:
Cecil Peoples is terrible. And his name is rediculous. But hey, atleast the US scoring system in better than the Japanese scoring system.
atleast the japanese judges were watching the fights....
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#22 | 1181 days ago

 hapkido_warrior wrote:
There are some very, very neglegent judges in the UFC...boxing arguably has better judges to some extent. They get it right sometimes but other days they'll give the most outragous numbers i've ever seen.
"There are some very, very negligent judges in the UFC...boxing arguably has better judges"   ....  I would posit that there is more competency in boxing officiating only because the ten point must system is sufficient to handle the limited parameters of technique in boxing, while being entirely inadequate to handle the nuances of MMA.         The unified rules leave much to be desired!    
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  
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#23 | 1181 days ago

 johnsward66 wrote:
"There are some very, very negligent judges in the UFC...boxing arguably has better judges"   ....  I would posit that there is more competency in boxing officiating only because the ten point must system is sufficient to handle the limited parameters of technique in boxing, while being entirely inadequate to handle the nuances of MMA.         The unified rules leave much to be desired!    
yes, i agree completely, although it's also of note that their are many more boxing judges world wide and some are as bias and inadequate as the UFC judges or worse despite having a more institutionalized system.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#24 | 1179 days ago

 GSP has noone in the welterweight class that can legitimately contend for his title.  The best fighter that he has fought was thiago alves and he put some major hurtin on him. shane carwin is extremely powerful and though frank mir may want his title back i just dont see it happening. if you thought brock lesnar put a hurting on frank mir then i say you must think carwin will do the same thing for the simple fact that he is a less agile version of brock only with better more powerful striking.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#25 | 1179 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
GSP has noone in the welterweight class that can legitimately contend for his title.  The best fighter that he has fought was thiago alves and he put some major hurtin on him. shane carwin is extremely powerful and though frank mir may want his title back i just dont see it happening. if you thought brock lesnar put a hurting on frank mir then i say you must think carwin will do the same thing for the simple fact that he is a less agile version of brock only with better more powerful striking.
i was unaware that carwin was the "less agile version of brock only with better more powerful striking"...care to expand on that?
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#26 | 1179 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
GSP has noone in the welterweight class that can legitimately contend for his title.  The best fighter that he has fought was thiago alves and he put some major hurtin on him. shane carwin is extremely powerful and though frank mir may want his title back i just dont see it happening. if you thought brock lesnar put a hurting on frank mir then i say you must think carwin will do the same thing for the simple fact that he is a less agile version of brock only with better more powerful striking.
"GSP has noone in the welterweight class" ... Whoo is thiss Mr Noone that cann contendd for GSP's title ?   LOL 
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  
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#27 | 1178 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
GSP has noone in the welterweight class that can legitimately contend for his title.  The best fighter that he has fought was thiago alves and he put some major hurtin on him. shane carwin is extremely powerful and though frank mir may want his title back i just dont see it happening. if you thought brock lesnar put a hurting on frank mir then i say you must think carwin will do the same thing for the simple fact that he is a less agile version of brock only with better more powerful striking.
haha the only way that he will find anyone to compete with is to move up the middle weight...even then i believe the only one would be anderson silva and that would make for the all time greatest fight in the ufc ever....what do you think?
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#28 | 1178 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
haha the only way that he will find anyone to compete with is to move up the middle weight...even then i believe the only one would be anderson silva and that would make for the all time greatest fight in the ufc ever....what do you think?
i disagree completely, a big weight disadvantage would work pretty adversely for GSP and there are plenty of other contenders in the middleweight division...if hendo came back then that would be a great fight, i'm just unsure on the whole anderson silva vs GSP...why is everyone upsessed with these 'champion vs champion' matches...can't you fare with just great hard working fierce contenders and leave guys in their own weight? there are plenty of guys looking out for the title and I think it's almost an incredible disrepect to them when you toss aside their hard work in favor of a pointless 'champion vs champion' match to bring in crowds.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#29 | 1178 days ago

 ? "upsessed" ?  I know W. Shakespeare coined some 600 new words to color his prose with creativity, & i don't know of another single word that describes the concept of being obsessively worried. Good job! LOL
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  
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#30 | 1178 days ago

 johnsward66 wrote:
? "upsessed" ?  I know W. Shakespeare coined some 600 new words to color his prose with creativity, & i don't know of another single word that describes the concept of being obsessively worried. Good job! LOL
we all make mistakes sometimes john =(
and it's good to know you'll be there to capitalize on it haha
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#31 | 1177 days ago

 dont get me wrong or blow things out of proportion...but gsp walks around at 185-190 when hes not fighting so there would be no weight disadvantage...he is built like a brick shit house and looks like hes carved out of marble so there would be no strength disadvantage. the only reason anyone wants to see champions against champions is because the guys that fight so hard for that title shot can compete hard and fight there asses off but in the end they cant beat the champion...so thats one reason.  as for hendo...one of the greatest mixed martial artists in history hands down...he already fought anderson silva and lost. wanderlei moved down to middle weight and wants the title but idk if he will get it...so like i said...point of champion on champion is not to disrespect anyone...its about putting on the best show for the fans...and im sorry but until someone in their own weight class can give them a good title match then why shouldnt they fight another champion?
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#32 | 1177 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
dont get me wrong or blow things out of proportion...but gsp walks around at 185-190 when hes not fighting so there would be no weight disadvantage...he is built like a brick shit house and looks like hes carved out of marble so there would be no strength disadvantage. the only reason anyone wants to see champions against champions is because the guys that fight so hard for that title shot can compete hard and fight there asses off but in the end they cant beat the champion...so thats one reason.  as for hendo...one of the greatest mixed martial artists in history hands down...he already fought anderson silva and lost. wanderlei moved down to middle weight and wants the title but idk if he will get it...so like i said...point of champion on champion is not to disrespect anyone...its about putting on the best show for the fans...and im sorry but until someone in their own weight class can give them a good title match then why shouldnt they fight another champion?
not true because guess what, the guys who fight at 185 walk around at around 200 (225 for anderson silva) so there would be a definitive weight disadvantage. There are stronger guys at 185 so yes there would be a strength disadvantage, you can't just make the claim that none of them can beat the champion without giving them a shot...thats ridiculous. Hendo Vs GSP would have been the fight i suggested, Hendo in my opinion would still be the #1 contender for Silva's title..i haven't seen enough of 'the phenom' to be sure of anything yet. They thought Nate Marquardt was a shoe in also until he ran into chael sonnen (#2 title contender in my mind) Wanderlei isn't a contender yet, great fighter but not up to fighting anderson anymore. People in their weight classes CAN give them a great match, they just aren't given enough chances and popularity is too much of a problem. Champ vs Champ fights would be fine if you didn't have 3-4 contenders lined up and waiting for their shot.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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#33 | 1176 days ago

 hapkido_warrior wrote:
not true because guess what, the guys who fight at 185 walk around at around 200 (225 for anderson silva) so there would be a definitive weight disadvantage. There are stronger guys at 185 so yes there would be a strength disadvantage, you can't just make the claim that none of them can beat the champion without giving them a shot...thats ridiculous. Hendo Vs GSP would have been the fight i suggested, Hendo in my opinion would still be the #1 contender for Silva's title..i haven't seen enough of 'the phenom' to be sure of anything yet. They thought Nate Marquardt was a shoe in also until he ran into chael sonnen (#2 title contender in my mind) Wanderlei isn't a contender yet, great fighter but not up to fighting anderson anymore. People in their weight classes CAN give them a great match, they just aren't given enough chances and popularity is too much of a problem. Champ vs Champ fights would be fine if you didn't have 3-4 contenders lined up and waiting for their shot.
If one doesn't wish to spend one's time defending his title then one should vacate it & move to a division where the competition is more to one's liking .... 'nuff said.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  
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#34 | 1175 days ago

 very well said jonh i agree completely
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#35 | 1175 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
very well said jonh i agree completely
Thanks !   
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Fabricio Camoes (10-4-1)  

#36 | 1172 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
dont get me wrong or blow things out of proportion...but gsp walks around at 185-190 when hes not fighting so there would be no weight disadvantage...he is built like a brick shit house and looks like hes carved out of marble so there would be no strength disadvantage. the only reason anyone wants to see champions against champions is because the guys that fight so hard for that title shot can compete hard and fight there asses off but in the end they cant beat the champion...so thats one reason.  as for hendo...one of the greatest mixed martial artists in history hands down...he already fought anderson silva and lost. wanderlei moved down to middle weight and wants the title but idk if he will get it...so like i said...point of champion on champion is not to disrespect anyone...its about putting on the best show for the fans...and im sorry but until someone in their own weight class can give them a good title match then why shouldnt they fight another champion?
ok hapkido just a question...if they are both fighting in the same weight class and gsp gains the weight and is right at 185 and anderson drops that much weight and is at 185 where is this definitive weight advantage? and strengthwise gsp could fight with most 185ers and even 205ers so there wouldnt be a strength advantage either and if there is then it would be slight
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#37 | 1172 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
ok hapkido just a question...if they are both fighting in the same weight class and gsp gains the weight and is right at 185 and anderson drops that much weight and is at 185 where is this definitive weight advantage? and strengthwise gsp could fight with most 185ers and even 205ers so there wouldnt be a strength advantage either and if there is then it would be slight
Silva is so strong that he out muscled Dan Henderson, he literally threw him around in the second round. So it's a pretty fair assumption in saying that Silva is the strongest middleweight in the world. And have you heard what cuttiing weight does? The fighters cut mostly water weight for the day of the weighins and are extremly dehydrated. After the weigh ins, they rehydrate and regain all of that water weight in just a couple hours. Anderson Silva probably cuts around 20 pounds with his weight cut and he then regains most of the weight for the fight. Anderson Silva probably fights at about 200 pounds.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#38 | 1172 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:
ok hapkido just a question...if they are both fighting in the same weight class and gsp gains the weight and is right at 185 and anderson drops that much weight and is at 185 where is this definitive weight advantage? and strengthwise gsp could fight with most 185ers and even 205ers so there wouldnt be a strength advantage either and if there is then it would be slight

Their natural weight comes into play in multiple ways
1.- it affects their size
2.- how much weight they can easily gain back in the day before the fight (anderson has walked in at around 200 to several fights)
3.- GSP may have close to equal strength with a lot of 185-ers (strength is an iffy, relative thing in fighting, just because you bench more doesn't necassarily mean you will be 'stronger' then your opponent on the mat) but he relies to a certain extent on having greater strength to completely overpower his opponents with his wrestling game (his great wrestling does the majority of this, but without his power, i see a lot more jiu-jitsu guys getting escapes, reversals, submissions etc.)
4.- I'd say 205-ers have a very very definitive strength advantage over GSP, 205ers make huge cuts today to avoid competing with mammoths like brock who used to be to slow or ineffective technically to compete well.

1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#39 | 1156 days ago

 Thiago Alves scratched from UFC 111 match

This sucks, I was actually looking forward to this rematch moreso then St. Pierre/Hardy
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Jake Ellenberger (22-5)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#40 | 1155 days ago

 these are some good fights
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Jake Ellenberger (22-5)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Rory Markham (16-5)  6. Mark Bocek (8-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#41 | 1155 days ago

 Scott wrote:
Thiago Alves scratched from UFC 111 match

This sucks, I was actually looking forward to this rematch moreso then St. Pierre/Hardy
I too.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#42 | 1153 days ago

 Carwin obliterated Mir...
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Frank Mir (13-4)  3. Jake Ellenberger (22-5)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Rory Markham (16-5)  6. Mark Bocek (8-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#43 | 1152 days ago

 hapkido_warrior wrote:
i was unaware that carwin was the "less agile version of brock only with better more powerful striking"...care to expand on that?

maybe not less agile persay...but not as quick...i mean brock was a national champion wrestler and is extremely quick...carwin is just not as quick ill say...id say he has just as much if not more power though...what do you think?

1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Thiago Alves (22-5)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Ricardo Almeida (11-3)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  

#44 | 1151 days ago

 jericho25 wrote:

maybe not less agile persay...but not as quick...i mean brock was a national champion wrestler and is extremely quick...carwin is just not as quick ill say...id say he has just as much if not more power though...what do you think?

I think your far over-simplifying. Brock is a better wrestler, in the case of just wrestling. I would say Carwin has superior striking...in terms of 'mat power' i would say brock has more, but carwin has 'heavier hands' I would say.  I would call them a well balanced match in terms of skill, Carwin has superior striking and Brock has superior grappling but both are some what well rounded and overall i would say they're a fair match.
1. (Champion) Georges St-Pierre (19-2)  2. Shane Carwin (11-0)  3. Ben Saunders (8-1-2)  4. Jon Fitch (24-3)  5. Nate Diaz (11-5)  6. Jim Miller (16-2)  7. Matt Brown (13-7)  8. Kurt Pellegrino (20-4)  
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