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Who were the best presidents in American history? (Edited 02/14/10 10:52PM by Kenne)
In observation of Presidents Day on February 15th, who would you pick as the greatest Presidents that served office in the United States.
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Rank47 FansAvg (1st)
1.Abraham Lincoln3.8 (19)
2.George Washington3.5 (20)
3.Thomas Jefferson1.7
4.Franklin D. Roosevelt1.4 (2)
5.Ronald Reagan1.0 (1)
Also receiving votes:John F. Kennedy0.9
Theodore Roosevelt0.9 (2)
____ _____ (please comment)0.7 (2)
Dwight D. Eisenhower0.5 (1)
Woodrow Wilson0.2
Harry S. Truman0.2
Andrew Jackson0.1
Lyndon B. Johnson0.1

 &nbp;
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#37 | 1185 days ago

(Edited by icfeet)
vindog wrote:
Reagan- the "creator" of Trickle Down Economics- should NOT even be mentioned as a GREAT President! His policies (and the following of them by "other" idiot Presidents) is what CREATED Deficit Spending and this Countries economic situation has gone completely downhill since then!  BTW, he WAS the one who armed and trained Osama Bin Laden during the Russian/Afghanistan crisis and then turned his back on him when the Afghans forced Russia out- hence CREATING the anger towards us that we are experiencing today!  Learn your history folks before you actually consider Reagan a Great President!  He did MUCH MORE harm than good for this Nation- period!
Reagan CUT taxes.....and INCREASED the amount of money coming in to the U.S. Treasury...(Kennedy did too)...but instead of holding the line on SPENDING, Congress just SPENT MORE.  The fact is that the much-maligned "trickle-down" economics WORKS.  For instance, I pay approximately $1,000 per week in taxes between state, local and federal government....If my taxes were cut in HALF, that would mean I'd have $500 more in my pocket to spend...maybe hire another employee...or maybe even go out to dinner a little more....which would have food servers working...busboys, bartenders...and in turn THEY would have more money to spend..and pay taxes.  I might buy a new, bigger computer or TV , furnishings for home...which means more employees to stock shelves...more manufacturing...etc. etc...getting more people to pay into the system
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Ronald Reagan  3. George Washington  4. Theodore Roosevelt  5. Thomas Jefferson  
  
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#1 | 1189 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

(Edited by cubsgirl2)
It's funny how history sees it differently than the people seem to remember it. 
mine didnt show but my first choice was teddy roosevelt
#2 | 1188 days ago

I'm going with Lincoln...for fairly irrational reasons.
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. George Washington  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. Ronald Reagan  
#3 | 1188 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

I think everyone loved Lincoln!
#4 | 1188 days ago

I think each president was/is special in their own little way...
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Abraham Lincoln  4. Theodore Roosevelt  5. Ronald Reagan  
#5 | 1188 days ago

Beaneaters wrote:
I think each president was/is special in their own little way...
"SPE...CIAL"
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. George Washington  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. Ronald Reagan  
#6 | 1188 days ago
NMboyzfan (+)

Reagan.  And why is there no Bush on this list.  I WANT BUSH!!!
#7 | 1188 days ago

NMboyzfan wrote:
Reagan.  And why is there no Bush on this list.  I WANT BUSH!!!
shut it up!
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. George Washington  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. Ronald Reagan  
#8 | 1188 days ago
Cherrie (+)

(Edited by Cherrie)

 


#9 | 1188 days ago
NMboyzfan (+)

kobe_lova wrote:
shut it up!
sorry.  Somebody mentioned Valentine's nooky on another thread and my brain is stuck now.

I WANT BUSH!!!
#10 | 1188 days ago

(Edited by kobe_lova)
                          
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. George Washington  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. Ronald Reagan  
#11 | 1188 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

If there is one president we could bring back to run the country within the last half of the 20th century and for the future, it would be Theodore Roosevelt.

1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#12 | 1188 days ago

George Washington is the first and last to seek the good of the 'entire' country.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Woodrow Wilson  4. ____ _____ (please comment)  5. Theodore Roosevelt  
#13 | 1188 days ago

(Edited by kteacher)
Got to go with George Washington. He had no one to blame and pretty much started it all. I also liked Truman. Abe is the one I love reading about most though---------His wife was C R A Z Y and the way he set up his cabinet was pretty neat.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. ____ _____ (please comment)  4. Harry S. Truman  5. Abraham Lincoln  
#14 | 1188 days ago
Cherrie (+)

kteacher wrote:
Got to go with George Washington. He had no one to blame and pretty much started it all. I also liked Truman. Abe is the one I love reading about most though---------His wife was C R A Z Y and the way he set up his cabinet was pretty neat.
Wasn't his wife crazed from untreated STD that he gave her?
#15 | 1188 days ago

RichyMcWiggleSr wrote:
George Washington is the first and last to seek the good of the 'entire' country.
100% agree.

i'll toss james madison into the mix but just because his saucy minx of a wife was a funny little kleptomaniac and that was one of very few times i got to laugh in a history class.
#16 | 1188 days ago

Cherrie wrote:
Wasn't his wife crazed from untreated STD that he gave her?
hmmmm...never heard much on that. 
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. ____ _____ (please comment)  4. Harry S. Truman  5. Abraham Lincoln  
#17 | 1188 days ago
Cherrie (+)

kteacher wrote:
hmmmm...never heard much on that. 
I read somewhere that he was a ladies man, and she suffered from neauro-syphillis,
#18 | 1188 days ago

Lincoln had an STD? Uh oh, whoever he's haunting better watch out
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Ronald Reagan  4. Thomas Jefferson  5. Andrew Jackson  
#19 | 1188 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

NMboyzfan wrote:
Reagan.  And why is there no Bush on this list.  I WANT BUSH!!!
#20 | 1188 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

NorseHeathen wrote:
If there is one president we could bring back to run the country within the last half of the 20th century and for the future, it would be Theodore Roosevelt.

see great minds dude. 
#21 | 1188 days ago

Wish we had a George Washington to elect today.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Ronald Reagan  4. Abraham Lincoln  5. Dwight D. Eisenhower  
#22 | 1187 days ago

I can't believe Reagan is beating out FDR.
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. George Washington  4. Woodrow Wilson  5. John F. Kennedy  
#23 | 1187 days ago

Gerald Ford
#24 | 1187 days ago
NMboyzfan (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
#25 | 1187 days ago

(Edited by icfeet)
Ronaldus Magnus was a great, principled prez....said what he meant and meant what he said....but Lincoln was THE MAN....got to read "Team of Rivals" by Doris Kearns Goodwin...just to see how Lincoln held this country together during the Civil War...
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Ronald Reagan  3. George Washington  4. Theodore Roosevelt  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#26 | 1187 days ago
Bastyd (+)

#27 | 1187 days ago
Bastyd (+)

"Mr. Gorbachev,,,,,,,Tear Down That Wall!"
#28 | 1187 days ago
Bastyd (+)

     "I Never Had Sexual Relations With That Woman",,,,,
#29 | 1187 days ago

icfeet wrote:
Ronaldus Magnus was a great, principled prez....said what he meant and meant what he said....but Lincoln was THE MAN....got to read "Team of Rivals" by Doris Kearns Goodwin...just to see how Lincoln held this country together during the Civil War...
Excellent book written by a smart as heck lady.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. ____ _____ (please comment)  4. Harry S. Truman  5. Abraham Lincoln  
#30 | 1187 days ago
lovinmyjeffgordon (+)

Bastyd wrote:
Kennedy ... Regan....Bush
#31 | 1187 days ago
Bastyd (+)

     I wouldn't throw Kennedy in on that bunch.   Other than being good looking,  what did he really accomplish?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOTHING!!!!  As he has been rated on an over-all list,, Kennedy didn't do CRAP!! 
#32 | 1186 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

Post WWII Politicians.......
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#33 | 1186 days ago
NMboyzfan (+)

NorseHeathen wrote:
Post WWII Politicians.......


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#34 | 1186 days ago

In 1969 I sang Ronnie Ray-Guns along with Joan Baez.  In 1972 I laughed with the rest of the audience at the ridiculous notion when Archie Bunker said he would be president some day.  In 1984 I voted for him.
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Franklin D. Roosevelt  3. Theodore Roosevelt  4. Harry S. Truman  5. Ronald Reagan  
#35 | 1186 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
Reagan- the "creator" of Trickle Down Economics- should NOT even be mentioned as a GREAT President! His policies (and the following of them by "other" idiot Presidents) is what CREATED Deficit Spending and this Countries economic situation has gone completely downhill since then!  BTW, he WAS the one who armed and trained Osama Bin Laden during the Russian/Afghanistan crisis and then turned his back on him when the Afghans forced Russia out- hence CREATING the anger towards us that we are experiencing today!  Learn your history folks before you actually consider Reagan a Great President!  He did MUCH MORE harm than good for this Nation- period!
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#36 | 1185 days ago

no term limits but yet no DYNASTYS     head scratcher
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. George Washington  4. Thomas Jefferson  5. Franklin D. Roosevelt  
#37 | 1185 days ago

(Edited by icfeet)
vindog wrote:
Reagan- the "creator" of Trickle Down Economics- should NOT even be mentioned as a GREAT President! His policies (and the following of them by "other" idiot Presidents) is what CREATED Deficit Spending and this Countries economic situation has gone completely downhill since then!  BTW, he WAS the one who armed and trained Osama Bin Laden during the Russian/Afghanistan crisis and then turned his back on him when the Afghans forced Russia out- hence CREATING the anger towards us that we are experiencing today!  Learn your history folks before you actually consider Reagan a Great President!  He did MUCH MORE harm than good for this Nation- period!
Reagan CUT taxes.....and INCREASED the amount of money coming in to the U.S. Treasury...(Kennedy did too)...but instead of holding the line on SPENDING, Congress just SPENT MORE.  The fact is that the much-maligned "trickle-down" economics WORKS.  For instance, I pay approximately $1,000 per week in taxes between state, local and federal government....If my taxes were cut in HALF, that would mean I'd have $500 more in my pocket to spend...maybe hire another employee...or maybe even go out to dinner a little more....which would have food servers working...busboys, bartenders...and in turn THEY would have more money to spend..and pay taxes.  I might buy a new, bigger computer or TV , furnishings for home...which means more employees to stock shelves...more manufacturing...etc. etc...getting more people to pay into the system
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Ronald Reagan  3. George Washington  4. Theodore Roosevelt  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#38 | 1185 days ago

Take the time to read "The Reagan Diaries".  An excellent read.  Look at the man and his heart.  Loved his God, Loved his wife and Loved his country. 
#39 | 1185 days ago
vindog (+)

icfeet wrote:
Reagan CUT taxes.....and INCREASED the amount of money coming in to the U.S. Treasury...(Kennedy did too)...but instead of holding the line on SPENDING, Congress just SPENT MORE.  The fact is that the much-maligned "trickle-down" economics WORKS.  For instance, I pay approximately $1,000 per week in taxes between state, local and federal government....If my taxes were cut in HALF, that would mean I'd have $500 more in my pocket to spend...maybe hire another employee...or maybe even go out to dinner a little more....which would have food servers working...busboys, bartenders...and in turn THEY would have more money to spend..and pay taxes.  I might buy a new, bigger computer or TV , furnishings for home...which means more employees to stock shelves...more manufacturing...etc. etc...getting more people to pay into the system
 I might buy a new, bigger computer or TV , furnishings for home...        Your statement says it ALL about trickle down economics....  Though the "INTENTION" of people buying and spending may have been the purpose of the policy, NOBODY ever did spend anything. The policy FAILED horribly and bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. Just as did the SAME policy that Bush I adopted, as well as Bush II- or maybe you forgot that.  Bush I had to RAISE taxes to try to fix the problem and Bush II's version of the Trickle Down had a HUGE HAND at nearly sending this Country in financial collapse!   You see, Trickle down in "theory" may actually work but it NEVER did because nobody thought about the greed factor. Reagan cut taxes very EARLY in his Administration, but couldn't do it later on because of the damage of his own financial policies- or did you forget that one too.   But, since you addressed this one, lets hear your thoughts on Reagan and Afghanistan and Bin Laden..... This should be good.....
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#40 | 1185 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

One thing I would like to point out is that Reagan instituted the "block grant" program.  Whereas the congress redistributes monies to the individual states (and in our current political environment) which evolved into national "private" programs such as ACORN.

It was a hypocritical move as Republicans say they want to give the power back to the people and lessen the control of government, but even during Reagan's term he used this process as a means of extortion to force states to conform to certain "social" and political desires of the central government.

Despite the spin, and time elapsed reconstructionism of memory, politicians are politicians.  Demopublican or Republicrat the goal of the socio-economic elite is the same--to remain the socio-economic elite.  The only difference is upon how they manipulate the electoral system to remain under the radar and enact their own "roads" to control.
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#41 | 1185 days ago
vindog (+)

icfeet wrote:
Reagan CUT taxes.....and INCREASED the amount of money coming in to the U.S. Treasury...(Kennedy did too)...but instead of holding the line on SPENDING, Congress just SPENT MORE.  The fact is that the much-maligned "trickle-down" economics WORKS.  For instance, I pay approximately $1,000 per week in taxes between state, local and federal government....If my taxes were cut in HALF, that would mean I'd have $500 more in my pocket to spend...maybe hire another employee...or maybe even go out to dinner a little more....which would have food servers working...busboys, bartenders...and in turn THEY would have more money to spend..and pay taxes.  I might buy a new, bigger computer or TV , furnishings for home...which means more employees to stock shelves...more manufacturing...etc. etc...getting more people to pay into the system
" For instance, I pay approximately $1,000 per week in taxes between state, local and federal government....If my taxes were cut in HALF, that would mean I'd have $500 more in my pocket to spend..."       I absolutely agree with you on this statement, but the problem is that "Trickle Down" Economics was NOT intended for you or I (the "average" middle class taxpayer)- it WAS intended for the RICH and BIG Businesses!  The idea was that if they cut the taxes on the RICH, then in turn the RICH would take that savings to create more jobs and open more "American Businesses"- that NEVER happened!  The RICH took their "savings" and either invested it into their OWN stocks, the stock market, or built other "plants" in Foreign Countries and closed the ones here-sending damn near EVERY manufacturing job overseas and brutally severing the head off of the Labor Market here in the U.S.....    This is something that the "Reaganites" fail to address or even accept as the TRUTH!  Reagan (like MOST Republican Presidents) was good with Foreign Policies, but he FAILED Domestically in his policies and basically "started the ball rolling" towards financial collapse in this Country!  Bush I realized the "damage" that the Trickle Down policies were creating and tried to stop it by raising taxes, but he was "drawn and quartered" by his OWN Party for doing just that.    You see, the "Republican Solution" to everything is to "cut taxes", but essentially, doing just that is what CREATES financial collapses in the Government. The Government STILL needs money to operate and "fund" certain things that were voted on years prior to the sitting Administrations reins, but if you cut that money in half- you have to borrow money to pay those debts. Hence creating DEFICIT SPENDING! Reagan was one of the 1st sitting U.S. Presidents to ever do this.......
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#42 | 1185 days ago

...but....history has shown that EVERY TIME that taxes are CUT...the money to the federal treasury goes UP...check this out...

The wealthy pay most of the taxes, so it should be no surprised that they get a larger percentage of the tax cut total back!  It is only fair.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Ronald Reagan  3. George Washington  4. Theodore Roosevelt  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#43 | 1185 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

Uff da.....
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#44 | 1185 days ago

icfeet wrote:
...but....history has shown that EVERY TIME that taxes are CUT...the money to the federal treasury goes UP...check this out...

The wealthy pay most of the taxes, so it should be no surprised that they get a larger percentage of the tax cut total back!  It is only fair.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

Theodore Roosevelt........by a landslide
#45 | 1185 days ago
vindog (+)

icfeet wrote:
...but....history has shown that EVERY TIME that taxes are CUT...the money to the federal treasury goes UP...check this out...

The wealthy pay most of the taxes, so it should be no surprised that they get a larger percentage of the tax cut total back!  It is only fair.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

So then let the rich go overseas to drink! ALL of their businesses are there anyway! Us poor people will stay here and build a BETTER America without their stupid asses! Funny how MY Taxes weren't effected by the Bush tax cuts- where was my EXTRA money to buy that T.V. with?   That s%^t just trickled down to the 2nd layer of the rich and then froze up!
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#46 | 1185 days ago

I agree with icfeet's  explanation (even though I'm not a fan of Reagan).
#47 | 1184 days ago
vindog (+)

xtra_ill wrote:
I agree with icfeet's  explanation (even though I'm not a fan of Reagan).
Though icfeet's example sounds GREAT -no doubt, the problem is that things DON'T and never will work like that! Trickle down economics was never intended to be like that either..... Yes the 9th and 10th men do pay more taxes (at least in bulk), but their PERCENTAGE of the bill is much lower than men 3-8.  In other words (and obviously I don't have the exact tax figures with me) the "Rich" (hypothetically) pay 18% of their bulk cash in taxes and the middle class pay 25%. So yes, bulk wise, the rich do pay more money, but percentage wise they are much lower. Also the extra "savings" they got through the trickle down theory NEVER went back into this Country (i,e;  more jobs)- it went into their own pockets creating huge shortfalls in our economic system!   As I said, Reagan had a great Foreign policy (except for that little DISASTER with Bin Laden and Afghanistan), but his Domestic policies were horrible!
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#48 | 1184 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

Trickle down economics doesn't work with a faucet that's closed to a drip.....

Neither does giving economic freedom in the form of hard cash and benefits to those who don't work--providing them with a better standard of living than those who do work.
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#49 | 1184 days ago

vindog wrote:
Though icfeet's example sounds GREAT -no doubt, the problem is that things DON'T and never will work like that! Trickle down economics was never intended to be like that either..... Yes the 9th and 10th men do pay more taxes (at least in bulk), but their PERCENTAGE of the bill is much lower than men 3-8.  In other words (and obviously I don't have the exact tax figures with me) the "Rich" (hypothetically) pay 18% of their bulk cash in taxes and the middle class pay 25%. So yes, bulk wise, the rich do pay more money, but percentage wise they are much lower. Also the extra "savings" they got through the trickle down theory NEVER went back into this Country (i,e;  more jobs)- it went into their own pockets creating huge shortfalls in our economic system!   As I said, Reagan had a great Foreign policy (except for that little DISASTER with Bin Laden and Afghanistan), but his Domestic policies were horrible!
I actually favor a "flat tax" or consumption tax type of system.  I think what's needed is for people to pay quarterly taxes rather than having taxes withheld from paychecks.  Growing up, Dad and Mom worked (phone company and hospital)...had taxes withheld from their paychecks.  My first jobs were like that too...around 1984 or 1985, I remember laughing about the government spending $700 for hammers and $500 for toilet seats...when I opened my own practice and was introduced to QUARTERLY TAXES....I realized they were spending MY MONEY on those items...it wasn't so funny anymore.  If people were  made to pay quarterly taxes for JUST ONE YEAR....they would VOTE OUT ALL THE BUMS IN OFFICE!!
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Ronald Reagan  3. George Washington  4. Theodore Roosevelt  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#50 | 1184 days ago
vindog (+)

icfeet wrote:
I actually favor a "flat tax" or consumption tax type of system.  I think what's needed is for people to pay quarterly taxes rather than having taxes withheld from paychecks.  Growing up, Dad and Mom worked (phone company and hospital)...had taxes withheld from their paychecks.  My first jobs were like that too...around 1984 or 1985, I remember laughing about the government spending $700 for hammers and $500 for toilet seats...when I opened my own practice and was introduced to QUARTERLY TAXES....I realized they were spending MY MONEY on those items...it wasn't so funny anymore.  If people were  made to pay quarterly taxes for JUST ONE YEAR....they would VOTE OUT ALL THE BUMS IN OFFICE!!
I agree with you on the Quarterly Taxes ( I too owned my own businesses, 3 Tanning Salons- but sold them early last year) they do suck!  I also agree with a "flat tax" across the board and eliminating the need for the IRS which costs this Country huge amounts of money! It would also completely eliminate the "hiding" of money in off shore accounts by big businesses.  I do however have a problem with "consumption taxes" though.... All "consumption taxes" would do is single out the things that Americans tend to buy the most of and then TAX THE CRAP out of them. Example: Bread would be like $10 a loaf and Milk would be about $15 a gallon......Really the ONLY good thing that a "consumption tax" would do is force us to use less fossil fuels.....
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#51 | 1183 days ago

icfeet wrote:
I actually favor a "flat tax" or consumption tax type of system.  I think what's needed is for people to pay quarterly taxes rather than having taxes withheld from paychecks.  Growing up, Dad and Mom worked (phone company and hospital)...had taxes withheld from their paychecks.  My first jobs were like that too...around 1984 or 1985, I remember laughing about the government spending $700 for hammers and $500 for toilet seats...when I opened my own practice and was introduced to QUARTERLY TAXES....I realized they were spending MY MONEY on those items...it wasn't so funny anymore.  If people were  made to pay quarterly taxes for JUST ONE YEAR....they would VOTE OUT ALL THE BUMS IN OFFICE!!
obama,
#52 | 1182 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

O.K., perhaps you didn't understand the question of the poll.  The question is the best presidents in American history.

President Obama is just over a year in office.  He's made some bold moves, and has thusfar not had any accomplishments (except for a Supreme Court justice) that can really be analyzed.  He still has 3-7 years left in office (depending upon the next election) and the affects of his presidency may not come to full fruitation or understanding of successes or failures until years after--which includes the afore mentioned Supreme Court appointment.

If you misunderstood the question...hey, no worries as it happens.  But if you are just a supporter of President Obama and named him as being the best president above all the other presidents that have served this country, then your contribution here is very discourteous to those who have taken this thread seriously.
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#53 | 1182 days ago
Bastyd (+)

Good post, Norse.  Many people think that JFK was one of our better presidents, but if you check the stats, Nixon blew him away! 
#54 | 1181 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

Thanks...  What I find interesting after the length of time that this thread has progressed is that the four presidents at the top of the list reflect the very presidents in our national monument of Mount Rushmore.  It just goes to show that after all this time, the contributions made by those individuals reflect the profound impact each made upon the heritage of our country.

Great poll Wylde...
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#55 | 1181 days ago
Bastyd (+)

Hey Norse?  I gave you a thumbs up, but that's only cuz I had some to blow!!  That, and I know you were going to pick Reagan!!  Welcome to the club!!
#56 | 1181 days ago
18packabs (+)

Abe had that Kick Ass Beard......
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. George Washington  4. Andrew Jackson  5. Dwight D. Eisenhower  
#57 | 1181 days ago
ssusiej46 (+)

REAGAN
#58 | 1181 days ago

(Edited by maddhatter6691)
Ben Franklin, He is on the $100.00 And you can never have too many of those
1. ____ _____ (please comment)  2. Franklin D. Roosevelt  3. Ronald Reagan  4. Abraham Lincoln  5. George Washington  
#59 | 1181 days ago

Each President, especially since FDR, spent the greatest portion of their term(s) increasing the size of government.

And that goes against the basic premise behind the founding of it as a Fn entity!  Our Federal Government controls, and seeks to control, almost every aspect of our lives ... F me ... they're even in the MLB!  And, no matter how you spin it, almost NONE of them did much to control the spending of Congress.

So, in my opinion if you're trying to stick your thumb up for any President after about 1900, I'd be left to conclude you probably don't pay attention enough to the big picture.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Woodrow Wilson  4. ____ _____ (please comment)  5. Theodore Roosevelt  
#60 | 1181 days ago

icfeet wrote:
Ronaldus Magnus was a great, principled prez....said what he meant and meant what he said....but Lincoln was THE MAN....got to read "Team of Rivals" by Doris Kearns Goodwin...just to see how Lincoln held this country together during the Civil War...
Lincoln didn't really "hold the country together."  He waged a war against, and overthrew a country, merely because he couldn't find a diplomatic solution to a problem.  There was nothing civil about the Union's approach to the Civil War ... and they were the ones who actually started the war, with their navy.

He authorized the killing of Americans to keep America together.  I never understood that! 
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Woodrow Wilson  4. ____ _____ (please comment)  5. Theodore Roosevelt  
#61 | 1181 days ago
Bastyd (+)

maddhatter6691 wrote:
Ben Franklin, He is on the $100.00 And you can never have too many of those
    The funny thing is,,,,,,,,,,
#62 | 1169 days ago

Bastyd wrote:
Renaldus Magnus.................THAT was a president.  Hail to my former C-N-C.....you made America strong and proud again after the pacifist Carter brought her to her knees.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Ronald Reagan  4. Dwight D. Eisenhower  5. Abraham Lincoln  
#63 | 1169 days ago
vindog (+)

vantiffin52 wrote:
Renaldus Magnus.................THAT was a president.  Hail to my former C-N-C.....you made America strong and proud again after the pacifist Carter brought her to her knees.
LMMFAO!
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#64 | 1169 days ago

vindog wrote:
LMMFAO!
You have your right to your opinion......and I have a right to mine.  And mine says your's SUCKS!
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Ronald Reagan  4. Dwight D. Eisenhower  5. Abraham Lincoln  
#65 | 1169 days ago
vindog (+)

vantiffin52 wrote:
You have your right to your opinion......and I have a right to mine.  And mine says your's SUCKS!
Ditto
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#66 | 1169 days ago

vantiffin52 wrote:
You have your right to your opinion......and I have a right to mine.  And mine says your's SUCKS!
I understand you're supporting this Socialist that is PRETENDING to be the Commander and Chief because he wants to play Santa Claus and give everything in the store to everyone to make it fair. Got news for you.......nothings free and
SOMEBODY has to pay for it. Reagan was human, but he REDUCED the tax rates from 75% to 33 percent across the board, and that kicked off one of the greatest times of prosperity that this country has experienced since post WWII. Also, as far as rebuilding the military, he approved many of the weapons systems that are being used by the troops in the field today. Retention was increased and Esprit De Corps became contageous. Everyone wanted to make America proud and great, not hide and surrender to our enemies. The Fraud and Cheat in office now wants to cowtow to our enemies and is afraid to insult them by allowing our military to do it's job, which is namely hunt down the enemy and kill them...........PERIOD. The second job of the military to is to secure homeland defense. If the military was allowed to control the border like they should, illegal immigrants WOULD NOT be an issue!
Such a pitiful attitude from a former brother -in-arms makes me sad. Be proud of your service, and be proud of the country you served.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Ronald Reagan  4. Dwight D. Eisenhower  5. Abraham Lincoln  
#67 | 1169 days ago

John Adams
1. George Washington  2. ____ _____ (please comment)  3. Franklin D. Roosevelt  4. Abraham Lincoln  5. Theodore Roosevelt  
#68 | 1169 days ago

Bill Clinto is my "Other" Deal With it!!!
1. Dwight D. Eisenhower  2. John F. Kennedy  3. ____ _____ (please comment)  4. Abraham Lincoln  5. Franklin D. Roosevelt  
#69 | 1169 days ago

ojekeme1 wrote:
Bill Clinto is my "Other" Deal With it!!!
Bill Clinton is a toad ... he is just as much the cause for 9/11 as bin laden   slick willy and traveling cigar was one of the biggest embarrassments to ever be elected president
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. Ronald Reagan  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#70 | 1169 days ago
vindog (+)

vantiffin52 wrote:
I understand you're supporting this Socialist that is PRETENDING to be the Commander and Chief because he wants to play Santa Claus and give everything in the store to everyone to make it fair. Got news for you.......nothings free and
SOMEBODY has to pay for it. Reagan was human, but he REDUCED the tax rates from 75% to 33 percent across the board, and that kicked off one of the greatest times of prosperity that this country has experienced since post WWII. Also, as far as rebuilding the military, he approved many of the weapons systems that are being used by the troops in the field today. Retention was increased and Esprit De Corps became contageous. Everyone wanted to make America proud and great, not hide and surrender to our enemies. The Fraud and Cheat in office now wants to cowtow to our enemies and is afraid to insult them by allowing our military to do it's job, which is namely hunt down the enemy and kill them...........PERIOD. The second job of the military to is to secure homeland defense. If the military was allowed to control the border like they should, illegal immigrants WOULD NOT be an issue!
Such a pitiful attitude from a former brother -in-arms makes me sad. Be proud of your service, and be proud of the country you served.
Well without getting into another argument with ANOTHER ill- informed, brain washed,  Republican/Conservative/Right Wing Nut Job- let me address one thing that you said and it was: " Such a pitiful attitude from a former brother -in-arms makes me sad. Be proud of your service, and be proud of the country you served."         So because I feel that Reagan was NOT a good President- then that makes me NOT proud of my service or of my Country?   Two words for you with that one: F%^K YOU!   You can completely BASH the current sitting President and commit an act of TREASON (if you are still in the U.S.Military) by calling YOUR President a Socialist- but I'm not allowed to say that President Reagan was not a good President?  Who in the f%^k do you think you are? And BTW- NOBODY was EVER paying a 75% tax on anything- who's a$$ are you pulling those numbers out of? AND, President Reagan's "tax cuts" busted the Federal Government and was the biggest creator of deficit spending! Do some f%^king research next time before you come in here an insult me!
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#71 | 1169 days ago
vindog (+)

Here is what the "Reagan Tax Cuts" actually did to our economy:  

But what about the particulars of Reaganomics (or supply-side economics), which in practice meant large tax cuts targeted at the rich, a military buildup, and slashing social spending? That too is a disturbing story.

The tax cuts came in 1981, Reagan's first year in office. The administration's plan slashed corporate and individual income tax rates, with the biggest cut in the top rate. The Reagan team promised that their tax cuts would jolt the economy back to life because, as the Wall Street Journal's editors put it, "high taxes interfere with natural human creativity and drive." And the true believers went so far as to suggest that the economy would grow fast enough that tax revenues would actually rise, making the tax cuts painless.

The results never came close to measuring up to the supply-side rhetoric. For starters, the tax cuts busted the federal budget. The federal deficit ballooned from 2.7% of GDP in 1980 to 6% of GDP in 1983, the largest peacetime deficit in history, and was still 5% of GDP in 1986. Tax revenues did pick up, especially after the 1983 payroll tax increase kicked in, reducing the deficit somewhat. Still, tax revenues grew far more slowly over than the 1980s business cycle (2.5% from 1979 to 1989) than they did in the 1990s business cycle (4.1% from 1989 to 2000).

Nor did the claim that tax cuts would encourage work effort, savings, and investment, the central premise of Reaganomics, hold up. When mainstream economists, such as Barry Bosworth and Gary Burtless of the Brookings Institution, checked out the effects of the 1981 tax cut, they found that something quite different had happened. After the tax cut, men didn't work much more at all; although women did work longer hours, their earnings failed to improve. And relative to the size of the economy, net investment declined and savings plummeted. The Economic Policy Institute, a labor-funded think tank, reports that the annual increase in real investment in the 1980s business cycle (2.5% per year) was less than half of that during the 1990s business cycle (5.9% per year).

Worse yet, most low-income taxpayers missed out on the Reagan tax cuts. The bottom 40% of households paid out more of their income in federal taxes in 1988 than they had in 1980. Increases in the payroll taxes that finance Social Security and Medicare, which made up a far higher portion of their federal tax bill than income taxes, swamped what little benefit these taxpayers received from lower income tax rates. For the richest 1%, on the other hand, the Reagan tax cuts were pure elixir. This group saw their effective federal tax rate drop from 34.6% to 29.7%, according to a recent study conducted by the Congressional Budget Office. As these numbers suggest, Reagan left a far less progressive federal tax code than he found.

1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#72 | 1169 days ago
Dooney (+)

ohwell_ wrote:
John Adams
Abraham Lincoln
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Theodore Roosevelt  3. George Washington  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#73 | 1169 days ago
Dooney (+)

Kenne wrote:
I can't believe Reagan is beating out FDR.
 Because FDR was the one who started all the social and entitlement programs that we have to deal with today.
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Theodore Roosevelt  3. George Washington  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#74 | 1169 days ago
Dooney (+)

vantiffin52 wrote:
Renaldus Magnus.................THAT was a president.  Hail to my former C-N-C.....you made America strong and proud again after the pacifist Carter brought her to her knees.
 Amen Brother.I served under the Man too! He visited us at Ft. Campbell in 84. My unit was also at his second innaugural. Great times indeed!
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Theodore Roosevelt  3. George Washington  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#75 | 1169 days ago

icfeet wrote:
Reagan CUT taxes.....and INCREASED the amount of money coming in to the U.S. Treasury...(Kennedy did too)...but instead of holding the line on SPENDING, Congress just SPENT MORE.  The fact is that the much-maligned "trickle-down" economics WORKS.  For instance, I pay approximately $1,000 per week in taxes between state, local and federal government....If my taxes were cut in HALF, that would mean I'd have $500 more in my pocket to spend...maybe hire another employee...or maybe even go out to dinner a little more....which would have food servers working...busboys, bartenders...and in turn THEY would have more money to spend..and pay taxes.  I might buy a new, bigger computer or TV , furnishings for home...which means more employees to stock shelves...more manufacturing...etc. etc...getting more people to pay into the system
he also took a country from a 24% interest rate an an inflation we have never seen before ,to a more afforadable interestrate of about 7-8%, as i wrote in the commercial for his 84 re election campaign, love america, re elect president reagan..though,everything he did was not a great idea, like the afgan-russian war,he was doing what he felt was best for america, remember russia was still a huge threat to us then. He was trying to bring peace. There will never be peace in the middle east, there hasnt been from the beginning of man,thus we must concentrate on protecting our own nation and strengtheningour finiancial security and pwer and respect. We must start putting us first.We owe China so much money thanks to out sourcing,not to mention what we owe other countries, that if they recaled their debts we wouls all be screwed,see the worst of things to come as starters and probably the beginning of wwIII..We are in serious trouble right now,folks and we need to wake up and realize it,we have alot of angry people in our own country not to mention what is goin on around the world,we help countries and we stil get spat on,so now its time to help ourselvs...we need to become patient and caring americans,toward each oter and remember how to love our country and fellow americans,forget hatred and distain,and find our pride and dignity here at home and remembe rthatis what this country is made of..people tat said yes we can.......and tht we may agree to disagree,but we respect others,opinions,because many have died for us to have that right and privlidge,weather we agree with the wars we fight or not,e all agree with the brothers and sisters that have died for our freedoms...let it not ever be in vain
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Abraham Lincoln  4. Franklin D. Roosevelt  5. Ronald Reagan  
#76 | 1169 days ago

vindog wrote:
So then let the rich go overseas to drink! ALL of their businesses are there anyway! Us poor people will stay here and build a BETTER America without their stupid asses! Funny how MY Taxes weren't effected by the Bush tax cuts- where was my EXTRA money to buy that T.V. with?   That s%^t just trickled down to the 2nd layer of the rich and then froze up!
the rich already have their businesses or tax structures over seas.or in countries that grant them tax ammenisty,like gurnsey and jersey. The getty's have been trying for years,(and may have accomplished,as i lost touch with a friend i used to know who was their acountant) to become citizens of jersey for that very reason, tax free status..they make their fortunes here,but dont want to pay their fair share,they want torun with it..it isnt fair,and a big par tof why i do not like organized religion or politics anymore. they both have screwed us for too long.We made it as a poor nation from day one and at the rate we are going we already cant get much poorer,and though i worked on reagan's campaign,vin has many good and valid points,and i think my point may have been lost....we need to start rethinking our stance as ameriCANS and look back at our fore fathers,their values ,the simplicilty they seeked,and the values they wanted to instill. We get wrapped up in issues that are ridicilous ike removig the 10 commandments from buildings,when they are yes in a religious text,however are moral values,and i would venture to say almost every "religion"has their own set of their version of their 10 commandments. People they said the seperation of church and state of a reason,so we all could be represented equally,it was to protect us from the moral minority ,who seem to get their way  tooften.....we change our views as we age and see and learn and i have learned that only we the people can make the difference.....our government only cares to enrich their own lives and pockets the past several decades,and its time we start paying attention and REALLY start making our own informed decisions. Its like a prop they tried to pass here in nevada a few years ago. It was about smoking in public places. If you didnt read your ballot carefully,the commercials would have you believe that the way to vote was on a certain number,while if you read it realy if you didnt want smoking in public places you wanted to voted exactly the opposite way the commercials said,however the money had the advertising dollars thus the tv time,and had the state not send me my sample allot, i would have been ignorant on the issue as ,like most issues, they are twisted nd misrepresented on article and television r reported only to what they want us to hear or say or believe. tv stations are in business to make money and they are not going to piss off their huge sponsers or the people who watch their stations who watch those huge spocseship commercials..its all about dollas and cents people and not about us....isnt it time it becomes about us again?? havent enough people died for that? come on people now..smileon your brother,lets get together....try and love one another,and lets make a change,but a real change,one that works for the people not the suits in washington
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Abraham Lincoln  4. Franklin D. Roosevelt  5. Ronald Reagan  
#77 | 1169 days ago

To the poster who said Kennedy did nothing...there was this little thing...you may have read about it in a history book...called the "Cuban Missile Crisis" where JFK threw up a naval blockade of Cuba, cutting off Soviet supply ships which were bringing missile silo equipment to Cuba. 

Nah...nothing.

Vindog, haven't you realized yet that if you disagree with a Conservative, the first thing they do is call you "Un-American"? I have first-hand knowledge of this from the lib-tards thread where a "gentleman" accused me of wearing a "turbin"(sic) because my views did not match his.  

My votes are listed below, and they may surprise some...they include Jefferson and Lincoln. I voted for Kennedy because he kept the Soviet Union from setting up Nuclear weapons in the Western hemisphere.  
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Franklin D. Roosevelt  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. John F. Kennedy  
#78 | 1169 days ago

RichyMcWiggleSr wrote:
Lincoln didn't really "hold the country together."  He waged a war against, and overthrew a country, merely because he couldn't find a diplomatic solution to a problem.  There was nothing civil about the Union's approach to the Civil War ... and they were the ones who actually started the war, with their navy.

He authorized the killing of Americans to keep America together.  I never understood that! 
and where do you think we might be heading yet again? a civil war isnt so far out of the spectrum of the likes of many americans and the anger that many are feeling..we are treading very thin ice and peopl need to wake up and pay attention....
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Abraham Lincoln  4. Franklin D. Roosevelt  5. Ronald Reagan  
#79 | 1169 days ago

Bastyd wrote:
Good post, Norse.  Many people think that JFK was one of our better presidents, but if you check the stats, Nixon blew him away! 
jfk just for  the fact he kept russia out of cuba was huge ,especially at the time.........he accomplished quite a bit in his short time,and inspired a nation of baby boomers to be better...that is alot in itself in my book,what can you do for your country?
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Abraham Lincoln  4. Franklin D. Roosevelt  5. Ronald Reagan  
#80 | 1169 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

vantiffin52 wrote:
I understand you're supporting this Socialist that is PRETENDING to be the Commander and Chief because he wants to play Santa Claus and give everything in the store to everyone to make it fair. Got news for you.......nothings free and
SOMEBODY has to pay for it. Reagan was human, but he REDUCED the tax rates from 75% to 33 percent across the board, and that kicked off one of the greatest times of prosperity that this country has experienced since post WWII. Also, as far as rebuilding the military, he approved many of the weapons systems that are being used by the troops in the field today. Retention was increased and Esprit De Corps became contageous. Everyone wanted to make America proud and great, not hide and surrender to our enemies. The Fraud and Cheat in office now wants to cowtow to our enemies and is afraid to insult them by allowing our military to do it's job, which is namely hunt down the enemy and kill them...........PERIOD. The second job of the military to is to secure homeland defense. If the military was allowed to control the border like they should, illegal immigrants WOULD NOT be an issue!
Such a pitiful attitude from a former brother -in-arms makes me sad. Be proud of your service, and be proud of the country you served.
You need to get your history straight, and not just the parts you want to remember....
1. Theodore Roosevelt  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. George Washington  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#81 | 1169 days ago
vindog (+)

Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
jfk just for  the fact he kept russia out of cuba was huge ,especially at the time.........he accomplished quite a bit in his short time,and inspired a nation of baby boomers to be better...that is alot in itself in my book,what can you do for your country?
Ask not what your Country can do for you- ask what YOU can do for your Country- (paraphrasing DIRECTLY from the mouth of a "Liberal")!........JFK                     Damn those Democrats are a bunch of Socialists- LOL         BTW, President Obama has said things that are EXACTLY like this comment regarding serving your Country in more ways than just joining the military- but of course- THAT ALWAYS falls on the deaf ears of the Republican Party!  Just a thought......
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#82 | 1169 days ago

Dooney wrote:
 Because FDR was the one who started all the social and entitlement programs that we have to deal with today.
there is nothing wrong with social entitlement  programs IF they are used PROPERLY. The problem is, too many illegal non tax paying people collect on them,and that isnt fair. Also what isnt fair, is our own working government doesnt pay into many of them. They have "their own" special retirement and funding programs. That is wha tis ruining our country. Blame our congrees and house for over spending,giving themselves exsorbenent saleries(that they get to vote in themselves) and give themselves raises,or monies,and call it what ever they care to call it to calm down the "people" (that would be you and I). The past decades have done nothing but eliminate a class of people,the middle class. I dont care who you like, the middle class,is who picks up the burden of this country post WWII,and will continue to,untill we put our foot down.
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Abraham Lincoln  4. Franklin D. Roosevelt  5. Ronald Reagan  
#83 | 1169 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
vantiffin52 wrote:
I understand you're supporting this Socialist that is PRETENDING to be the Commander and Chief because he wants to play Santa Claus and give everything in the store to everyone to make it fair. Got news for you.......nothings free and
SOMEBODY has to pay for it. Reagan was human, but he REDUCED the tax rates from 75% to 33 percent across the board, and that kicked off one of the greatest times of prosperity that this country has experienced since post WWII. Also, as far as rebuilding the military, he approved many of the weapons systems that are being used by the troops in the field today. Retention was increased and Esprit De Corps became contageous. Everyone wanted to make America proud and great, not hide and surrender to our enemies. The Fraud and Cheat in office now wants to cowtow to our enemies and is afraid to insult them by allowing our military to do it's job, which is namely hunt down the enemy and kill them...........PERIOD. The second job of the military to is to secure homeland defense. If the military was allowed to control the border like they should, illegal immigrants WOULD NOT be an issue!
Such a pitiful attitude from a former brother -in-arms makes me sad. Be proud of your service, and be proud of the country you served.
Here are a few more things I'd like to address from your ill-informed statement:  1) You said, "  The Fraud and Cheat in office now wants to cowtow to our enemies and is afraid to insult them by allowing our military to do it's job, which is namely hunt down the enemy and kill them...........PERIOD."      Really? Maybe you just conveniently forgot that President Obama actually LISTENED to his Military Leaders and INCREASED the troop level in Afghanistan- which they had been calling for since the U.S. first invaded that Country over 8 years ago. President Bush did NOTHING! The U.S. and Pakistan are now engaged in a cooperative mission to hunt down and kill as many Al Queida members and leadership as they can possibly find- and (so far) that mission has produced some very good results!  Of course, once again, you could NEVER give our Socialist President ANY accolades for that........  2) You said..." If the military was allowed to control the border like they should, illegal immigrants WOULD NOT be an issue!"     Hmmm, funny, even your Boy President Reagan was against this move as it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to force Americans to live in a police state... But hey, this MUST be the doing of that Socialist President Obama- LOL!  Once again (on this issue as well)- BUSH DID NOTHING and Reagan gave 4 million Illegal aliens amnesty in 1986   http://www.postonpolitics.com/2009/11/rubio-reagan-erred-in-supporting-1986-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants/ - once again- a convenient forgetting of the facts on your part!
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#84 | 1169 days ago

vindog wrote:
Ask not what your Country can do for you- ask what YOU can do for your Country- (paraphrasing DIRECTLY from the mouth of a "Liberal")!........JFK                     Damn those Democrats are a bunch of Socialists- LOL         BTW, President Obama has said things that are EXACTLY like this comment regarding serving your Country in more ways than just joining the military- but of course- THAT ALWAYS falls on the deaf ears of the Republican Party!  Just a thought......
what is ironic Vin..is JFK would be considered a conservative in today's political arena....sigh...... and you are right obama did ask us to priciseley that pull together people.....just as i have been trying tosay...:)  but im a woman..im a bit more long winded.....i wish people could see how serious of trouble we are in,and open up their eyes and see the anger and extend a loving hand and way,out..,no im not all peace and love  im intelligent,but anger and ego& greed gets us into wars,where we do not belong,vietnam,(yes iknow we made a promise to the french during korea,but where are the french now? beside housing terror cells) ..i dont know, i have views that god only knows what people would call me.......i believe IF we are going to risk the lives of our brothers and sisters,then give them the BEST chance of winning,not some political BS that prevents them from doing their jobs,i believe ALL is fair in War...I believe in every freedom our forefathers brought to us but got jumbled in BS..and would love to go back to simplististic  ways and that iscludes a flat tax. I think that was one of the reasons we had a revolutionary war,taxes.....didnt the brittish want all our money? well werent we based on the premised on NOT being taxed to death? Arent the middle class being taxed out of the picture of america? What we have to do since our primary parties have really divided into 4 parties now, is find a party for the people who beieves in thinking for the people and simplisicity,and going back to basics and really believe and represent the people..boy! how refreshing would THAT be!
1. George Washington  2. Thomas Jefferson  3. Abraham Lincoln  4. Franklin D. Roosevelt  5. Ronald Reagan  
#85 | 1169 days ago

Sheesh...now I have to take a nap!!
1. Abraham Lincoln  2. Ronald Reagan  3. George Washington  4. Theodore Roosevelt  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#86 | 1167 days ago

ojekeme1 wrote:
Bill Clinto is my "Other" Deal With it!!!
I respect your opinion but you must not have read the last three words of mine.
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#87 | 1128 days ago

Barrack Obama....hahaha
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Franklin D. Roosevelt  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Thomas Jefferson  
#88 | 1124 days ago

RichyMcWiggleSr wrote:
George Washington is the first and last to seek the good of the 'entire' country.
Washington was very very much a centrist. 

So much of the protocols regarding our government came from him.  Until FDR, no one ran for more than 2 terms out of respect for GW.  He was the one who suggested the President be addressed as simply, Mr. President.  In fact, to this day the oath of office does not officially conclude with "so help me God."   That was something Washington added on his own.  Everyone after him did the same.

The more I dug up on the man the more I grew to respect him and what he did considering the fragile condition of the nation he led.
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Theodore Roosevelt  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Harry S. Truman  
#89 | 1124 days ago

NorseHeathen wrote:
Thanks...  What I find interesting after the length of time that this thread has progressed is that the four presidents at the top of the list reflect the very presidents in our national monument of Mount Rushmore.  It just goes to show that after all this time, the contributions made by those individuals reflect the profound impact each made upon the heritage of our country.

Great poll Wylde...
Unless the poll results changed since your post, as I write this FDR is #4 on the poll, but it is his cousin Teddy who is on Mt. Rushmore.
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Theodore Roosevelt  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Harry S. Truman  
#90 | 1124 days ago

vindog wrote:
Ask not what your Country can do for you- ask what YOU can do for your Country- (paraphrasing DIRECTLY from the mouth of a "Liberal")!........JFK                     Damn those Democrats are a bunch of Socialists- LOL         BTW, President Obama has said things that are EXACTLY like this comment regarding serving your Country in more ways than just joining the military- but of course- THAT ALWAYS falls on the deaf ears of the Republican Party!  Just a thought......
Funny thing about JFK...  When you look at his economic agenda, he was endorsing and pushing for policies that are currently part of the Republican economic plan.  Using today's definitions, JFK was hardly "liberal".  He was a right leaning moderate at best in that direction.
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Theodore Roosevelt  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Harry S. Truman  
#91 | 1124 days ago

Now waiting to get reamed by vin for jumping into a conversation that was not directed at me!

I wish I could find that rule in the coc somewhere....
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#92 | 1124 days ago

Clever use of popular culture... 
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#93 | 1124 days ago
vindog (+)

ML31 wrote:
Funny thing about JFK...  When you look at his economic agenda, he was endorsing and pushing for policies that are currently part of the Republican economic plan.  Using today's definitions, JFK was hardly "liberal".  He was a right leaning moderate at best in that direction.
I agree with you on this- surprisingly-LOL!   Also, the "politics" of the Father of the Republican Party, Abe Lincoln would be considered a "Liberal Agenda" these days as well.  It seems that today's forms of political "leanings" are completely 180 degrees out of what they used to be.   
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#94 | 1124 days ago

vindog wrote:
I agree with you on this- surprisingly-LOL!   Also, the "politics" of the Father of the Republican Party, Abe Lincoln would be considered a "Liberal Agenda" these days as well.  It seems that today's forms of political "leanings" are completely 180 degrees out of what they used to be.   
I might see where you are going with the Lincoln thing...  But his goal was mainly to preserve the Union.  If he could have done so without the war, he would have.  If he could have done so without freeing any slaves, he would have.
I don't really see Lincoln as polarizing today's lefties or righties.  It was a cause all could get behind given today's attitudes. 

I say today's attitudes because before the Civil War, people did not really consider themselves "Americans" like they do today.  People were Virginians or New Yorkers, and such.  The states were a much bigger deal.  After, attitudes slowly changed from that to we considering ourselves "Americans" first, and "Californians" or "Oregonians" 2nd.

I guess that unintentionally, Lincoln, by preserving the Union, actually started the growth for the Federal Gov't.  That could be seen as 180 degrees from what the current platform of his party is today.  If that is what you are getting at with Lincoln not holding the political "leanings" of today's Republicans.
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Theodore Roosevelt  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Harry S. Truman  
#95 | 1124 days ago
vindog (+)

ML31 wrote:
I might see where you are going with the Lincoln thing...  But his goal was mainly to preserve the Union.  If he could have done so without the war, he would have.  If he could have done so without freeing any slaves, he would have.
I don't really see Lincoln as polarizing today's lefties or righties.  It was a cause all could get behind given today's attitudes. 

I say today's attitudes because before the Civil War, people did not really consider themselves "Americans" like they do today.  People were Virginians or New Yorkers, and such.  The states were a much bigger deal.  After, attitudes slowly changed from that to we considering ourselves "Americans" first, and "Californians" or "Oregonians" 2nd.

I guess that unintentionally, Lincoln, by preserving the Union, actually started the growth for the Federal Gov't.  That could be seen as 180 degrees from what the current platform of his party is today.  If that is what you are getting at with Lincoln not holding the political "leanings" of today's Republicans.

That's somewhat where I was going with it. However, if you read some of his works, you will see that he believed in equality as well and was truly against the notion of slavery. So I believe that he would have wanted to free the slaves whether or not it was necessary.  Now I do agree that he would have avoided war if possible as well to preserve the Union. Hence why I believe (in today's society) he would have been considered a "Liberal" for the most part.

1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Thomas Jefferson  4. John F. Kennedy  5. ____ _____ (please comment)  
#96 | 1124 days ago

vindog wrote:

That's somewhat where I was going with it. However, if you read some of his works, you will see that he believed in equality as well and was truly against the notion of slavery. So I believe that he would have wanted to free the slaves whether or not it was necessary.  Now I do agree that he would have avoided war if possible as well to preserve the Union. Hence why I believe (in today's society) he would have been considered a "Liberal" for the most part.

Yes, I know he personally abhorred the institution of slavery.  But at the time, the preservation of the Union was his top priority.

However, avoiding a war to preserve the union I do not see going against any political viewpoints on the spectrum today.
1. George Washington  2. Abraham Lincoln  3. Theodore Roosevelt  4. Ronald Reagan  5. Harry S. Truman  
#97 | 1124 days ago

Richard M. Nixon on foreign policy alone.
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