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The best baseball Giants ever? (Edited 02/26/10 11:39PM by kung_fu_panda)
Personnaly, I love Wille Mays but put in your opinion and comments about who you think in the best baseball Giant of all time, New York or San Francisco.
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Team Breakout:
54 Fans 
9%a. Barry Bonds
0%b. Bengie Molina
0%c. Bobby Bonds
0%d. Carl Hubbel
0%e. Daryl Spencer
0%f. Dave Dravecky
2%g. Duane Kuiper
0%h. Jack Clark
0%i. John McCraw
0%j. JT Snow
2%k. Kevin Mitchell
0%l. Mel Ott
0%m. Mike Krukow
0%n. Mike McCormick
0%o. Orlando Cepeda
0%p. Pablo Sandoval
0%q. Tim Lincecum
0%r. Will Clark
6%s. Wille McCovey
83%t. Willie Mays

  
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#1 | 1649 days ago

 I never got a chance to see Willie Mays, but if theres one player that deserves to be compared to him, it would be his Godson Barry Bonds.


Barry Bonds  
#2 | 1648 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Say HEY
Willie Mays  
#3 | 1648 days ago

I watched Willie Mays He did it all. I put him as the second greatest player ever.
Willie Mays  
#4 | 1648 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

 Anyone who doesn't answer "Willie Mays" (um, note the second "i" there) must be logging on from an insane asylum.

Steroids or not, Barry Bonds is great. Top ten all-time. But Willie Mays is quite simply the best all-around player ever. 
Willie Mays  
#5 | 1648 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
 Anyone who doesn't answer "Willie Mays" (um, note the second "i" there) must be logging on from an insane asylum.

Steroids or not, Barry Bonds is great. Top ten all-time. But Willie Mays is quite simply the best all-around player ever. 
 Bonds has better career stats, is a 7 time MVP, had better plate discipline, and 104 more homeruns. Mays had a better arm and overall they are close, but your statement is ridiculously retarded.

Its nowhere near one-sided. Your personal dislike for Bonds or overall ignorace of baseball history really shows in what you just said. Either that or you are just trolling me because I picked Bonds instead of Mays since I had the pleasure of watching him dominate MLB like noone else in baseball history ever has.

Now you are no doubt gonna start the steroid argument. Before you do that do me a favor and look at Bonds career stats before his alleged performance enhancing drug use.
Barry Bonds  
#6 | 1648 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 Bonds has better career stats, is a 7 time MVP, had better plate discipline, and 104 more homeruns. Mays had a better arm and overall they are close, but your statement is ridiculously retarded.

Its nowhere near one-sided. Your personal dislike for Bonds or overall ignorace of baseball history really shows in what you just said. Either that or you are just trolling me because I picked Bonds instead of Mays since I had the pleasure of watching him dominate MLB like noone else in baseball history ever has.

Now you are no doubt gonna start the steroid argument. Before you do that do me a favor and look at Bonds career stats before his alleged performance enhancing drug use.
Yes, Bonds dominated offensively like no one else ever did, with the only one close being Ruth. But the question asked who was the greatest Giant? I just can't imagine any long-time fan of the franchise arguing against Mays. He is the Giants. He was great in New York, and he was great in San Francisco. He led them to finally win a World Series in a decade when the Yankees seemed to win every year and the one they didn't, the hated Dodgers won. He of course made "The Catch" in that Series. Although Bonds was a Gold Glover earlier in his career, I don't recall any of his catches or plays being seen ad infinitem in highlight reels. If anything, he's best known for being unable to throw out Sid Bream at the plate. There are intangibles as well. Mays played alongside the likes of Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron. Bonds really had no competition at all as the elite player in the game; Griffey Jr. maybe, and A-Rod and Pujols in the twilight of his career. Mays always displayed a positive attitude while playing in an era still beset by vehement racism. Bonds was consistently surly and complained of being a victim of racism while he made dozens of millions of dollars.
Willie Mays  
#7 | 1648 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
Yes, Bonds dominated offensively like no one else ever did, with the only one close being Ruth. But the question asked who was the greatest Giant? I just can't imagine any long-time fan of the franchise arguing against Mays. He is the Giants. He was great in New York, and he was great in San Francisco. He led them to finally win a World Series in a decade when the Yankees seemed to win every year and the one they didn't, the hated Dodgers won. He of course made "The Catch" in that Series. Although Bonds was a Gold Glover earlier in his career, I don't recall any of his catches or plays being seen ad infinitem in highlight reels. If anything, he's best known for being unable to throw out Sid Bream at the plate. There are intangibles as well. Mays played alongside the likes of Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron. Bonds really had no competition at all as the elite player in the game; Griffey Jr. maybe, and A-Rod and Pujols in the twilight of his career. Mays always displayed a positive attitude while playing in an era still beset by vehement racism. Bonds was consistently surly and complained of being a victim of racism while he made dozens of millions of dollars.
 See, part of the whole issue is people throw the popularity card into the equation. If I was throwing a party and I could only invite one of them, sure the invite would go to the say hey kid. 

You just said yourself that Bonds dominated like noone else ever has, with the exception of Babe Ruth. So how could Willie Mays be far superior to him?

The truth is he isn't, and the actual reality is that Bonds was a superior player to Mays. The numbers don't lie. The whole steroids era totally destroyed Bonds reputation and place among baseball history. Its not just you, so don't worry about it. Bonds does not and never will get the respect that he deserves. This is just an unfortunate fact. Its really pretty sad because I watched the guy for 15 years and the guy was just incredible. A pitchers and managers absolute worst nightmare.
Barry Bonds  
#8 | 1647 days ago

There's Mays and then there's everyone else.
Willie Mays  
#9 | 1647 days ago

Of course there's the "Say Hey Kid", but how in the world you could leave John McGraw off this list?!  Best Giant of all time?  He has to be given consideration as one of the greatest managers who's ever played/managed the game!
Willie Mays  
#10 | 1646 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
 Anyone who doesn't answer "Willie Mays" (um, note the second "i" there) must be logging on from an insane asylum.

Steroids or not, Barry Bonds is great. Top ten all-time. But Willie Mays is quite simply the best all-around player ever. 
There aren't many players where that comment would be misplaced about.  But Bonds is NOT one of them.  Mays could do it all, but so could Bonds.
Barry Bonds  
#11 | 1645 days ago

 What do you expect from a Rockies fan... The franchise was in diapers while Bonds was kicking the crap out of McGwires record. They dont know $hit.
Barry Bonds  
#12 | 1645 days ago

Pablo Sandoval is a choice?  really?
Willie Mays  
#13 | 1645 days ago

(Edited by Dream_Machine)
bayareabeast21 wrote:
 What do you expect from a Rockies fan... The franchise was in diapers while Bonds was kicking the crap out of McGwires record. They dont know $hit.
So If Barry Bonds And Steroids Were In The Same Sentence, Would You Still Be Defending Him, Just Asking....
Willie Mays  
#14 | 1643 days ago

(Edited by kung_fu_panda)
JBrenn wrote:
Of course there's the "Say Hey Kid", but how in the world you could leave John McGraw off this list?!  Best Giant of all time?  He has to be given consideration as one of the greatest managers who's ever played/managed the game!
Sorry about that!  I'm a young fan and I have heard stories about the great John McCraw.  I know he should be on this list but for some reason I completley frogot about him.  Then I tried to edit it but it didn't let me.  Again sorry! O wait. Now it is working. There we go

@derms33 I put Sandoval up there for the in the moment Giants fans who think Pablo can finally lead the Giants to a World Series win. 
Willie Mays  
#15 | 1626 days ago

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 What do you expect from a Rockies fan... The franchise was in diapers while Bonds was kicking the crap out of McGwires record. They dont know $hit.
I've been a Giants fan since 1966, And for once I agree with Tommy Lasorda who when he was asked who the greatest player he ever saw was replied without hesitation "Bonds played left field, Willie played center." So I guess following your logic that Tommie Lasorda, me (a person who saw Willie play many times and watched Barry his entire career) and a Rockies fan (because he's a Rockies fan) don't know shit. People who name call usually do so because they no longer have any ideas to back up their arguments.
Willie Mays  
#16 | 1626 days ago

By the way, Willie Mays, Mel Ott. Barry , John McGraw, and Christy Mathewson are the only people who can be under serious consideration in this question.
Willie Mays  
#17 | 1626 days ago

People who name call usually do so because they no longer have any ideas to back up their arguments.

That has been my experience.
Barry Bonds  
#18 | 1626 days ago

Bonds couldn't play centerfield like Willie, but neither could anyone else
Willie Mays  
#19 | 1538 days ago

Mays, Mc Covey and Bonds baby!! That was baseball!
Willie Mays  
#20 | 1538 days ago

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 See, part of the whole issue is people throw the popularity card into the equation. If I was throwing a party and I could only invite one of them, sure the invite would go to the say hey kid. 

You just said yourself that Bonds dominated like noone else ever has, with the exception of Babe Ruth. So how could Willie Mays be far superior to him?

The truth is he isn't, and the actual reality is that Bonds was a superior player to Mays. The numbers don't lie. The whole steroids era totally destroyed Bonds reputation and place among baseball history. Its not just you, so don't worry about it. Bonds does not and never will get the respect that he deserves. This is just an unfortunate fact. Its really pretty sad because I watched the guy for 15 years and the guy was just incredible. A pitchers and managers absolute worst nightmare.
go take my poll!!! i think the whole steroid thing is B..but tha tis my opinion...i still think mays was the greatest though
Willie Mays  
#21 | 1403 days ago

Mays, the best ever in a Giants uniform, as far as Bonds...
 

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Willie Mays  
#22 | 1371 days ago

Boxcar Willie
Willie Mays  
#23 | 1087 days ago

Got to go with the overall offensive power and solid defense of Willie McCovey. Stretch, in his prime, was amazing to watch. And 521 homers for a left-handed batter? Awesome!

Kevin
Wille McCovey   
#24 | 730 days ago

tigger88 wrote:
I watched Willie Mays He did it all. I put him as the second greatest player ever.
If Willie Mays didn't play all of his home games in two of the biggest ballparks ever (The old Polo Grounds and Candlestick Park with the wind in the daytime), he'd be the MLB Home Run King of all time. Easily. At the Polo Grounds, he hit balls to center field that would have been out of any other ball park, and those balls either ended up as an out or a triple. And his catch to dead center field on the run against Vic Wertz in game 1 of the 1954 World Series is still the greatest catch and throw ever made (got a double play on the throw back to second). Other players other than his steroids-taking, cheating as$wipe godson Barry Bonds were great players. Bonds a cheat and should NEVER, EVER, EVER be allowed in Cooperstown, NOT EVEN IF HE BUYS A TICKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Willie Mays  
#25 | 730 days ago

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 Bonds has better career stats, is a 7 time MVP, had better plate discipline, and 104 more homeruns. Mays had a better arm and overall they are close, but your statement is ridiculously retarded.

Its nowhere near one-sided. Your personal dislike for Bonds or overall ignorace of baseball history really shows in what you just said. Either that or you are just trolling me because I picked Bonds instead of Mays since I had the pleasure of watching him dominate MLB like noone else in baseball history ever has.

Now you are no doubt gonna start the steroid argument. Before you do that do me a favor and look at Bonds career stats before his alleged performance enhancing drug use.
Bonds was a steroid using cheat. Puts him in a class of Ty Cobb, Pete Rose, and Shoeless Joe Jackson (great players who left a black mark on baseball for their actions on and/or off the field of play although there was never any evidence Shoeless Joe Jackson ever bet against the White Sox or did anything wrong with his play in the 1919 World Series).
Willie Mays  
#26 | 730 days ago

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 See, part of the whole issue is people throw the popularity card into the equation. If I was throwing a party and I could only invite one of them, sure the invite would go to the say hey kid. 

You just said yourself that Bonds dominated like noone else ever has, with the exception of Babe Ruth. So how could Willie Mays be far superior to him?

The truth is he isn't, and the actual reality is that Bonds was a superior player to Mays. The numbers don't lie. The whole steroids era totally destroyed Bonds reputation and place among baseball history. Its not just you, so don't worry about it. Bonds does not and never will get the respect that he deserves. This is just an unfortunate fact. Its really pretty sad because I watched the guy for 15 years and the guy was just incredible. A pitchers and managers absolute worst nightmare.
What are you smoking? Bonds got to play in a small ballpark in Pittsburgh (3 Rivers Park) and when he threatened to leave for free agency after his first contract was up with the Giants (because he couldn't hit many balls out of Candlestick), the Giants went and gave him a shorter right field porch to swing at  with Pac Bell Park than the Astros have in left field with Minute Maid Park.

Mays played in an era when all the ballparks were  huge to left-center, center, and right-center, and Mays faced far better pitching in his time than Bonds has ever faced in his. Pitching is so watered down at the MLB level right now, at 46, I could probably get a AAA contract with a tryout and I haven't thrown 90 ever or a baseball since 1988.
Willie Mays  
#27 | 730 days ago

BaseCoach wrote:
There's Mays and then there's everyone else.
Actually, there's Willie Mays.
Then there's THE SAY HEY KID




















































Then Willie McCovey.
Then everyone else
Willie Mays  
#28 | 730 days ago

ML31 wrote:
There aren't many players where that comment would be misplaced about.  But Bonds is NOT one of them.  Mays could do it all, but so could Bonds.
Bonds was a so-so outfielder at best, and one of the weakest throwing arms for a left-fielder in history. Get off the steroid juice wagon and wake up to the fact that Bonds was more of a glorified DH in left field for the Giants when Mays, at 42, was still better than 80% of the CF's in the game when he retired in 1973
Willie Mays  
#29 | 730 days ago

Dream_Machine wrote:
So If Barry Bonds And Steroids Were In The Same Sentence, Would You Still Be Defending Him, Just Asking....
Love that. One person defending a juicer against another.

Priceless
Willie Mays  
#30 | 730 days ago

wcsportsfan wrote:
By the way, Willie Mays, Mel Ott. Barry , John McGraw, and Christy Mathewson are the only people who can be under serious consideration in this question.
wrong.

1. Willie Mays
2. John McGraw
3. Willie McCovey
4. Mel Ott
5. Orlando Cepeda

Cepeda was a much better defensive LF than Bonds when he didn't have to play 1B
Willie Mays  
#31 | 730 days ago

wcsportsfan wrote:
Bonds couldn't play centerfield like Willie, but neither could anyone else
Uh, you forgetting a San Franciscan native that played for the New York Yankees, wore #5, and was considered the greatest living ballplayer of all time? Yes, Talking about DiMaggio.

Oh, and there is a song about baseball that came out during the 1981 players strike that says it all about the 3 great NY centerfielders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKA9Zi5-_Y
Willie Mays  
#32 | 730 days ago

Beaneaters wrote:

Mays, the best ever in a Giants uniform, as far as Bonds...
 

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absolutely agree with him. what do you know, Phillies fans have some intelligence after all, lmao
Willie Mays  
#33 | 730 days ago

anthonyrichardlouisnaught wrote:
What are you smoking? Bonds got to play in a small ballpark in Pittsburgh (3 Rivers Park) and when he threatened to leave for free agency after his first contract was up with the Giants (because he couldn't hit many balls out of Candlestick), the Giants went and gave him a shorter right field porch to swing at  with Pac Bell Park than the Astros have in left field with Minute Maid Park.

Mays played in an era when all the ballparks were  huge to left-center, center, and right-center, and Mays faced far better pitching in his time than Bonds has ever faced in his. Pitching is so watered down at the MLB level right now, at 46, I could probably get a AAA contract with a tryout and I haven't thrown 90 ever or a baseball since 1988.
Let's correct some of these comments. 

First, the new Ball Park was in the cards for the new Giants owners ever since they bought the team in 1993.  Bonds potentially leaving for free agency had nothing to do with it whatsoever. 

Next, there are reasons the RF distance is short at Phone Company Park.  None have to do with Barry Lamar Bonds.  First, the size of the property forced it..  Given the limitations it was decided RF should be the shorter porch because it was theorized that  the wind would mostly come in from RF.  Thus negating the short distance.

And finally...  That porch has been proven to not be so very short.  Home runs to right are all too rare a thing.  Most head out to left.

PS....  While the Polo Grounds had a 500' center field the place was bathtub shaped.  Both the right and left lines were a mere 200' long.  In fact, Dusty Rhodes hit a game winning homer in the '54 series down the line that only went about 205'.  Al Rosen (correctly) loved to point out that's an out if the game were in Cleveland.  Further, while Mays may have faced more quality pitchers in his day, those old timers had the advantage of facing them 3-5 times in a game.  The more you see a pitcher the better chance the hitters have.  Today it is a rare thing indeed for a hitter to see the same pitcher that many times in a game.  It's unusual for them to see them 3 times let alone 5.  Today they face specialized bull pens.  There are very good pitchers who close games out.   Unlike 40 years ago.  So while old time players did have some things tougher, they also had some things easier.  People often forget that.
Barry Bonds  
#34 | 730 days ago

anthonyrichardlouisnaught wrote:
Bonds was a so-so outfielder at best, and one of the weakest throwing arms for a left-fielder in history. Get off the steroid juice wagon and wake up to the fact that Bonds was more of a glorified DH in left field for the Giants when Mays, at 42, was still better than 80% of the CF's in the game when he retired in 1973
This "so-so" outfielder won 8 gold gloves!  He wasn't nearly as good as his Godfather (who was?) but he certainly was above average at least.  We all know he had a below average arm but he made up for that with his ability to position himself and his ability to read the path of the baseballs, play the carrems right and be quick.  Further, the steroids he used didn't seem to help is throwing ability (or his running ability either for that matter).  Yes, in the end he became a glorified DH.  That's not unique to Bonds.  It happens to nearly every baseball player who plays long enough.  I wouldn't hold that against him.  And no, Mays in 1973 wasn't even close to what he was.  In 1971 he had devolved into a mediocre outfielder.  And was far below average when he retired.  Did you even see his play in the '73 series?  It was painful to watch a great player loose it like he did.
Barry Bonds  
#35 | 730 days ago

anthonyrichardlouisnaught wrote:
Uh, you forgetting a San Franciscan native that played for the New York Yankees, wore #5, and was considered the greatest living ballplayer of all time? Yes, Talking about DiMaggio.

Oh, and there is a song about baseball that came out during the 1981 players strike that says it all about the 3 great NY centerfielders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKA9Zi5-_Y
Mays > DiMaggio.  No question    what   so    ever.
Barry Bonds  
#36 | 666 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
Yes, Bonds dominated offensively like no one else ever did, with the only one close being Ruth. But the question asked who was the greatest Giant? I just can't imagine any long-time fan of the franchise arguing against Mays. He is the Giants. He was great in New York, and he was great in San Francisco. He led them to finally win a World Series in a decade when the Yankees seemed to win every year and the one they didn't, the hated Dodgers won. He of course made "The Catch" in that Series. Although Bonds was a Gold Glover earlier in his career, I don't recall any of his catches or plays being seen ad infinitem in highlight reels. If anything, he's best known for being unable to throw out Sid Bream at the plate. There are intangibles as well. Mays played alongside the likes of Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron. Bonds really had no competition at all as the elite player in the game; Griffey Jr. maybe, and A-Rod and Pujols in the twilight of his career. Mays always displayed a positive attitude while playing in an era still beset by vehement racism. Bonds was consistently surly and complained of being a victim of racism while he made dozens of millions of dollars.
As a huge fan of Barry Bonds, I must say that I truly believe that the Giants are blessed to have 2 of the top 5 MLB players of all time. I would give the edge to Mays for many of the reasons above, but most notably for his defense and base running ability. Their offensive numbers are incredibly close, but the Say Hey Kid was definitively the better fielder. Bonds was probably a little better at the plate given that in his prime he rarely saw more than one pitch to hit per game and he he rarely missed that pitch. He also never really had anyone to protect him in the lineup, as evidenced by his career walk totals. I personally say Mays is the best of all time at any position, but Bonds is the best offensive player ever, including Babe Ruth...
Willie Mays  
#37 | 639 days ago

Its about time we start throwing around the name of one Gerald D. Posey...
Barry Bonds  
#38 | 632 days ago

None of them are better then Stan Musial!!!
#39 | 632 days ago

Even the people who think steroids are magic drugs that turn average players into home run hitting supermen will not buy into the idea that Musial was better than Mays.
Barry Bonds  

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