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What reason would convince you to go to war against another country? (Edited 03/29/10 01:39PM by Jess)
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#1 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

 I hate war, and I hate people(...)who create war..

Abraham Lincoln:"There's no honorable way to kill,no gentle way to destroy.There is nothing good in war,except its ending"

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#1 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

 I hate war, and I hate people(...)who create war..

Abraham Lincoln:"There's no honorable way to kill,no gentle way to destroy.There is nothing good in war,except its ending"

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#2 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

 There will never be a good reason to start a war.
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#3 | 1591 days ago
Dooney (+)

Oh yes there is...Ever hear of 9/11???
#4 | 1591 days ago

There are a lot of reasons to make war.  Just as many not to. One thing is self evident though. When you decide to go to war, go there to win.
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#5 | 1591 days ago

Dooney wrote:
Oh yes there is...Ever hear of 9/11???
Its funny how easily people forget why us soilders are over here right now... We had thousands killed in an instant and they've forgotten. Its pathetic.
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#6 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Dooney wrote:
Oh yes there is...Ever hear of 9/11???
 Maybe... what about you?!?
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#7 | 1591 days ago

Oil and the alleged harboring of a certain terrorist (even if it is the WRONG country).
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#8 | 1591 days ago
Dooney (+)

Dooney wrote:
Oh yes there is...Ever hear of 9/11???
I was in the military,damn right I did!
#9 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

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You can't be serious!!   The whole world knows about  9/11..you even replied to urself dude!

 

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#10 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 9/11 is remembered by everyone! Just because someone is opposed to war does not mean they do not remember that day. To me it was a reason to go to war, but why has the real country behind it never had to pay? There is not one good thing about war. It is however sometimes necessary. But , like Rod said, go to win it, rebuild the government, then let the people run the it. if they need us we can help. We can never do what we did again in Afghanistan, arm then leave.
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#11 | 1591 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 9/11 is remembered by everyone! Just because someone is opposed to war does not mean they do not remember that day. To me it was a reason to go to war, but why has the real country behind it never had to pay? There is not one good thing about war. It is however sometimes necessary. But , like Rod said, go to win it, rebuild the government, then let the people run the it. if they need us we can help. We can never do what we did again in Afghanistan, arm then leave.
Considering that we have been over there for almost 10 years it looks like we would have gotten further on the "War on Terror".  Instead we are loosing members of our Military weekly.  When is it going to be enough?


The Iraq war was so unnecessary!  Bush was just trying to finish a job that his Daddy couldn't!  Saddam sure looked like a Big Bad Force to be reckoned with when he was caught.  Where are those WMD's?
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#12 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

(Edited by cubsgirl2)
 crap double post
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#13 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

(Edited by cubsgirl2)
JRSFLAME88 wrote:
Considering that we have been over there for almost 10 years it looks like we would have gotten further on the "War on Terror".  Instead we are loosing members of our Military weekly.  When is it going to be enough?


The Iraq war was so unnecessary!  Bush was just trying to finish a job that his Daddy couldn't!  Saddam sure looked like a Big Bad Force to be reckoned with when he was caught.  Where are those WMD's?
 Gina do not confuse the Iraq war with the war that happened with Afghanistan because of 9/11. We were in two different wars at the same time. And I agree with you that Iraq was a personal war. But it happened so what do we do now I think is the question that needs to be answered. 

As far as afghanistan the Taliban needed to be destroyed. And we need to continue preserving our country, these people hate us. The people who are in power I should say, and the people who arent only know what they are told so yes therefore they hate us as well. The Taliban and governments like them should never be allowed to hurt us again. 

BUT, get all the countries that were apart of those planes flying into us, dont pick and choose. When is Saudia Arabia going to be held responsible for their part in it? 
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#14 | 1591 days ago

Dooney wrote:
Oh yes there is...Ever hear of 9/11???
 9/11 was caused by some bastards who call themselves Al-Qaida ...no country was responsible for it except that country where Tora Bora range is and where that coward is hiding. All that has been done is a huge 7 billion aid given to that country so that they act against them....
#15 | 1591 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 9/11 was caused by some bastards who call themselves Al-Qaida ...no country was responsible for it except that country where Tora Bora range is and where that coward is hiding. All that has been done is a huge 7 billion aid given to that country so that they act against them....

The moment the kkk, neo-nazis, rouge gov forces, a murderer with accomplices or the country that starts shooting in my neighborhood, killing children, raping women or simply stating "off with their heads for not excepting Christ/Allah".

Ummm, sorry but that means that the week before the strike, bush met with Al-Qaeda, and IS friends with Bin'Ladens entire family and are business partners. Smoke and mirrors again...*sighs* Bush had a news conference stating clearly that Bin-laden had nothing to do with te strike. Everyone must have missed that news special.

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#16 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 9/11 was caused by some bastards who call themselves Al-Qaida ...no country was responsible for it except that country where Tora Bora range is and where that coward is hiding. All that has been done is a huge 7 billion aid given to that country so that they act against them....
 BUT, Countries do harbor Al-Qaida, you know, it I know it, and the world knows it! So until the Governments quit harboring them, allowing their training camps to flourish in them, and quit funding them, these countries will have to pay the price for when another attack happens. As they should have to.
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#17 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

how can killing innocent people and destroy the land of God with all living creatures on it be personal???





Bin Laden fights for religion, and he is not afraid of death. I think it's time to realise dat USA can't destroy Al Qaeda and Bin Laden never to be caught alive
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#18 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

USA should pull back from Afghanistan before it's too late.
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#19 | 1591 days ago

One would have to come to this conclusion. Every patriot is anothers Foe, and it depends on what you call "patriotism". We look to the world, like Al-Qaeda.
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#20 | 1591 days ago

I AM AGAIST THE WAR, ONLY AN INVASION IN MY COUNTRY MAKE ME BE IN WAR,BUT MAYBE WHE CAN USE WORDS, FIRST, IN THE WAR, ALL ARE LOOSER .-
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#21 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

noti4 wrote:
I AM AGAIST THE WAR, ONLY AN INVASION IN MY COUNTRY MAKE ME BE IN WAR,BUT MAYBE WHE CAN USE WORDS, FIRST, IN THE WAR, ALL ARE LOOSER .-
 you got dat rite!  there is no winner in war.
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#22 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
USA should pull back from Afghanistan before it's too late.
 Before whats to late? It didn't take long for the Taliban to fall. Has it regrouped? Yes.  But if anyone believes the Taliban can hold it's own in a war, against the U.S. and her allies they are mistaken.
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#23 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
One would have to come to this conclusion. Every patriot is anothers Foe, and it depends on what you call "patriotism". We look to the world, like Al-Qaeda.
 Yes sadly we do, but that was not because of the war with Afghanistan, that was because of the war with Iraq. 
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#24 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Before whats to late? It didn't take long for the Taliban to fall. Has it regrouped? Yes.  But if anyone believes the Taliban can hold it's own in a war, against the U.S. and her allies they are mistaken.
 The US has already lost in Afghanistan.The reality is that America cannot prevail in Afghanistan.
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#25 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
 The US has already lost in Afghanistan.The reality is that America cannot prevail in Afghanistan.
 No, we completely won the war in Afghanistan, we are losing the rebuilding of Afghanistan!  for one reason the people not wanting to take back the country that the Taliban took from them. Becoming dependent on the U.S. to continue fighting for them. For wanting peace and rights, to picking up a gun in the next breathe because the insurgents paid them that day to do so. 
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#26 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 No, we completely won the war in Afghanistan, we are losing the rebuilding of Afghanistan!  for one reason the people not wanting to take back the country that the Taliban took from them. Becoming dependent on the U.S. to continue fighting for them. For wanting peace and rights, to picking up a gun in the next breathe because the insurgents paid them that day to do so. 
 In Iraq, US forces ended up killing far, far more civilians than actual enemy fighters thanks to this approach. While information about deaths in the Afghan War is harder to come by, it is likely that the same holds true there also. In addition to the well-known incidents, where air strikes have been called in which ended up butchering entire wedding parties in both Iraq and Afghanistan, or where farm families engaged in routine activties have been blown away thinking they were terrorists, US forces have for years thought nothing about assaulting compounds and killing the inhabitants, innocent civilians or not, children or adults, if it was thought that even one "terrorist" was in the building at the time.
so plz don't tell me dat U.S. fights for them..coz everyone knows the truth..USA fights for itself.


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#27 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I'm not politician..but I know a lil bit about politics..and I know the truth.
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#28 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
 In Iraq, US forces ended up killing far, far more civilians than actual enemy fighters thanks to this approach. While information about deaths in the Afghan War is harder to come by, it is likely that the same holds true there also. In addition to the well-known incidents, where air strikes have been called in which ended up butchering entire wedding parties in both Iraq and Afghanistan, or where farm families engaged in routine activties have been blown away thinking they were terrorists, US forces have for years thought nothing about assaulting compounds and killing the inhabitants, innocent civilians or not, children or adults, if it was thought that even one "terrorist" was in the building at the time.
so plz don't tell me dat U.S. fights for them..coz everyone knows the truth..USA fights for itself.


 As long as so called terrorists continue to wage war with countries in the disguise as civilians then civilians will be killed. And that is a shame, but it is a shame the terrorists themselves have brought to their own countries not us.  And as far as civilian casualties go these cowards chose to attack civilian buildings on 9/11 with those planes. Tell these so called soldiers to have enough guts to put on a uniform and fight their fight like other countries do. And as far as the U.S. fighting for ourselves, yes we do that, but why don't you ask other countries that would have perished had it not been for our help. Including at some point in time Afghanistan.
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#29 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Yes sadly we do, but that was not because of the war with Afghanistan, that was because of the war with Iraq. 
Not even...the last few wars have tarnished our already blemished record starting from Vietnam. Add a few war mongers for profit and then innocent deaths in well populated areas and there you go...
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#30 | 1591 days ago

Funny how my picture of Bush and his speeches have disappeared...I'll try and put it back....hmmm
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#31 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Not even...the last few wars have tarnished our already blemished record starting from Vietnam. Add a few war mongers for profit and then innocent deaths in well populated areas and there you go...
 Yes he was a war monger, I will never defend the war in Iraq.
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#32 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 BUT, Countries do harbor Al-Qaida, you know, it I know it, and the world knows it! So until the Governments quit harboring them, allowing their training camps to flourish in them, and quit funding them, these countries will have to pay the price for when another attack happens. As they should have to.
Read my comment carefully, thats what I meant when I said Tora Bora and particularly that country should take the responsibility to wipe out the virus or come forward as a good indication to help in wiping out but in the case of 9/11 .... that country received 7 billion dollar aid ...n still there nothing much done .....
#33 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

(Edited by cubsgirl2)
Som6 wrote:
Read my comment carefully, thats what I meant when I said Tora Bora and particularly that country should take the responsibility to wipe out the virus or come forward as a good indication to help in wiping out but in the case of 9/11 .... that country received 7 billion dollar aid ...n still there nothing much done .....
 But we all know that the other countries as well are doing the same thing And yes I do know thats what you were saying. 
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#34 | 1591 days ago

(Edited by Som6)
murphyiv wrote:
Funny how my picture of Bush and his speeches have disappeared...I'll try and put it back....hmmm
 Seen the picture ...n the truth ....thts where everything went wrong when Laden was armed for helping to win agnst. the Soviets in Afghanistan. A huge number of Arabs where brought inside Afghanistan to fight the war agnst. Soviets under Laden. He fought there but assembled his army for very different reason which was shown in 2001. The power he gained was from that moment when he got enough army n weapons in Afghanistan....so the rise of Laden can be judged for a big mistake for which he was placed for .....
#35 | 1591 days ago

(Edited by murphyiv)
cubsgirl2 wrote:
 As long as so called terrorists continue to wage war with countries in the disguise as civilians then civilians will be killed. And that is a shame, but it is a shame the terrorists themselves have brought to their own countries not us.  And as far as civilian casualties go these cowards chose to attack civilian buildings on 9/11 with those planes. Tell these so called soldiers to have enough guts to put on a uniform and fight their fight like other countries do. And as far as the U.S. fighting for ourselves, yes we do that, but why don't you ask other countries that would have perished had it not been for our help. Including at some point in time Afghanistan.
Well, if you look up the CIA's cover, that has been their montra since it's inception. That is the same thing WE do. Do we not think others wouldn't adapt? Guerrilla warfare was learned from the Africans and the jamaican Marroons, then "tweeked". History is a good lesson because it repeats. We humans tend to forget that fact. We actually have become better at KILLING for "our" own reasons. It won't stop with Al-Qeada, because it was the Africans,Brits, the Barbary war, the Germans, the Japanese, brown people, white people, then OURSELVES. It's ashame we hate our own kind. HUMAN. No matter what every says, there will be another foe. It may be YOU. When the world gov kicks up, we'll all see. No more watching this, doing that....the Police are coming!!!!
*edited for a name not mentioned*
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#36 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 Seen the picture ...n the truth ....thts where everything went wrong when Laden was armed for helping to win agnst. the Soviets in Afghanistan. A huge number of Arabs where brought inside Afghanistan to fight the war agnst. Soviets under Laden. He fought there but assembled his army for very different reason which was shown in 2001. The power he gained was from that moment when he got enough army n weapons in Afghanistan....so the rise of Laden can be judged for a big mistake for which he was placed for .....
 YES thats exactly where it went wrong. But hindsight is 20/20 and now innocent people are dying on all sides because of it. 
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#37 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Well, if you look up the CIA's cover, that has been their montra since it's inception. That is the same thing WE do. Do we not think others wouldn't adapt? Guerrilla warfare was learned from the Africans and the jamaican Marroons, then "tweeked". History is a good lesson because it repeats. We humans tend to forget that fact. We actually have become better at KILLING for "our" own reasons. It won't stop with Al-Qeada, because it was the Africans,Brits, the Barbary war, the Germans, the Japanese, brown people, white people, then OURSELVES. It's ashame we hate our own kind. HUMAN. No matter what every says, there will be another foe. It may be YOU. When the world gov kicks up, we'll all see. No more watching this, doing that....the Police are coming!!!!
*edited for a name not mentioned*
 No we adapted, these countries have been here since before we ever were thought of. We did not invent guerrilla warfare. That is true, we are learning it. If a terrorsist organization attacks it is done on a whole different playing field, therefore we better adapt to them otherwise we MAY  be in trouble. 
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#38 | 1591 days ago

(Edited by Som6)
cubsgirl2 wrote:
 But we all know that the other countries as well are doing the same thing And yes I do know thats what you were saying. 
 That other country is no other than rest of the World including USA..which in all whole World .....Al Qaida's primary objective is spreading Islam ....n bringing as much harm to west. But my point is as the whole World knows where the main leader is then Y not "that" country is acting to bring him down instead of helping indirectly. Just for your information there are issues like bilateral n trilateral where only 2 or 3 countries can take a move on it ...so you can't ask the allies to come n join in this bilateral issue...
#39 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 No we adapted, these countries have been here since before we ever were thought of. We did not invent guerrilla warfare. That is true, we are learning it. If a terrorsist organization attacks it is done on a whole different playing field, therefore we better adapt to them otherwise we MAY  be in trouble. 
Ummm, they're adapting to us...get it? You can't win every fight or every war. The Chickens do come home to roost.
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#40 | 1591 days ago

(Edited by Som6)
cubsgirl2 wrote:
 No we adapted, these countries have been here since before we ever were thought of. We did not invent guerrilla warfare. That is true, we are learning it. If a terrorsist organization attacks it is done on a whole different playing field, therefore we better adapt to them otherwise we MAY  be in trouble. 
 Y not then just finish it off by bringing down that man who is the root of it all ....got all the powers, technology, help, information, money..then Y let it go...boys r getting down everyday there so just need 1 final encounter with proper info...thts all ....Govt. of Afghanistan r co-operating except the other country ...so just make a deal after all 7 billion dollar is not a joke or a fair amount to bring that bastard to justice who took 1000s lives .....
#41 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

(Edited by cubsgirl2)
Som6 wrote:
 That other country is no other than rest of the World including USA..which in all whole World .....Al Qaida's primary objective is spreading Islam ....n bringing as much harm to west. But my point is as the whole World knows where the main leader is then Y not "that" country is acting to bring him down instead of helping indirectly. Just for your information there are issues like bilateral n trilateral where only 2 or 3 countries can take a move on it ...so you can't ask the allies to come n join in this bilateral issue...
 Yes this is true. But we are not funding terrorist training camps. nor do we allow them here.  Are terrorists here? of course, but are they here at are ok? no. And that is the 64,000 dollar question? Why. 
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#42 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Yes this is true. But we are not funding terrorist training camps. nor do we allow them here.  Are terrorists here? of course, but are they here at are ok? no. And that is the 64,000 dollar question? Why. 
 Common don't act naive ...those camps we both well know where n supported by whom...so my question is Y wait?.....these camps breeding more n more virus n throwing it inside our societies ..killing ppl in different method ...so just blew off those camps n hunt down the leader ....
#43 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Ummm, they're adapting to us...get it? You can't win every fight or every war. The Chickens do come home to roost.
 You and I usually agree, but on this I believe you are wrong we are adapting. Playing catch up to countries that have been at war with there own neighbors for centuries. We are learning how to fight like them. In a sense they have trained us.
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#44 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 Common don't act naive ...those camps we both well know where n supported by whom...so my question is Y wait?.....these camps breeding more n more virus n throwing it inside our societies ..killing ppl in different method ...so just blew off those camps n hunt down the leader ....
 If I have proven anything it is that I am not naive. They are supported by and funded by the Saudi Arabian government. Including and most openly by Bin Laden. And yes again a question I would like answered why is it he still is alive? 
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#45 | 1591 days ago

(Edited by murphyiv)
Som6 wrote:
 That other country is no other than rest of the World including USA..which in all whole World .....Al Qaida's primary objective is spreading Islam ....n bringing as much harm to west. But my point is as the whole World knows where the main leader is then Y not "that" country is acting to bring him down instead of helping indirectly. Just for your information there are issues like bilateral n trilateral where only 2 or 3 countries can take a move on it ...so you can't ask the allies to come n join in this bilateral issue...
I keep trying to tell people that they are not looking for this so called "leader". The leader is the one sending troops all over the world to hunt down anyone that is opposite of HIM. It may be you next that is hunted down. *sighs* They want control over all the assets left in the WORLD. We are short on water, food and fossil fuels. That my friend is end game. Now you CAN'T buy it, sell it without them knowing. You'll see. Wars are paid for but decided before we know it. It's all been put on dvd's. They called the first Iraq war a "Crusade" now. Look it up.
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#46 | 1591 days ago

(Edited by murphyiv)
cubsgirl2 wrote:
 If I have proven anything it is that I am not naive. They are supported by and funded by the Saudi Arabian government. Including and most openly by Bin Laden. And yes again a question I would like answered why is it he still is alive? 

*sighs* His family is business partners with the rest of the world. Why would they allow him to be caught or killed? They just posted on c-span, cnn and al-jaz that Bin-Laden will never be caught and is MOST LIKELY already dead. What does that tell you? *sighs* for the last time. Have a good cordial chat.

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#47 | 1591 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
I keep trying to tell people that they are not looking for this so called "leader". The leader is the one sending troops all over the world to hunt down anyone that is opposite of HIM. It may be you next that is hunted down. *sighs* They want control over all the assets left in the WORLD. We are short on water, food and fossil fuels. That my friend is end game. Now you CAN'T buy it, sell it without them knowing. You'll see. Wars are paid for but decided before we know it. It's all been put on dvd's. They called the first Iraq war a "Crusade" now. Look it up.
Then what r those Drone doing there round the clock ....to take picture of the man ......it has already killed many hands of him n always on a hunt for any clue to get. The 100% aggression cannot take place for only that bilateral issue which comes between .....everything stops dead there......in all this is costing much much more than what it can be in one bang...
#48 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:

*sighs* His family is business partners with the rest of the world. Why would they allow him to be caught or killed? They just posted on c-span, cnn and al-jaz that Bin-Laden will never be caught and is MOST LIKELY already dead. What does that tell you? *sighs* for the last time. Have a good cordial chat.

 It tells me what I already know, OIL runs this world. And those with it rule the world. Come on where you going? 
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#49 | 1591 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
Well, if you look up the CIA's cover, that has been their montra since it's inception. That is the same thing WE do. Do we not think others wouldn't adapt? Guerrilla warfare was learned from the Africans and the jamaican Marroons, then "tweeked". History is a good lesson because it repeats. We humans tend to forget that fact. We actually have become better at KILLING for "our" own reasons. It won't stop with Al-Qeada, because it was the Africans,Brits, the Barbary war, the Germans, the Japanese, brown people, white people, then OURSELVES. It's ashame we hate our own kind. HUMAN. No matter what every says, there will be another foe. It may be YOU. When the world gov kicks up, we'll all see. No more watching this, doing that....the Police are coming!!!!
*edited for a name not mentioned*
 Thats for the 1 reason I already brought up a Poll ..World Govt. ..just to get some view abt. my friends here.....n don't forget the Vietnamese jungle guerrilla warfare .....penetration by them (Al-Qeada) is getting deep day by day in all forms, they r acquiring business tricks, money transferring, holding up big post on all sides....its coming real real hard for the intelligence to counter them....
#50 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 It tells me what I already know, OIL runs this world. And those with it rule the world. Come on where you going? 
There you have it. No where to go. So most STAND AND FIGHT.Dig innnnnnn!
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#51 | 1591 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 Thats for the 1 reason I already brought up a Poll ..World Govt. ..just to get some view abt. my friends here.....n don't forget the Vietnamese jungle guerrilla warfare .....penetration by them (Al-Qeada) is getting deep day by day in all forms, they r acquiring business tricks, money transferring, holding up big post on all sides....its coming real real hard for the intelligence to counter them....
And I am sure you saw my response to your poll. I will respond to certain things only. These types of tings interests me. I am never trying to belittle anyone, just sharing what I have learned throug my research.
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#52 | 1591 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 Thats for the 1 reason I already brought up a Poll ..World Govt. ..just to get some view abt. my friends here.....n don't forget the Vietnamese jungle guerrilla warfare .....penetration by them (Al-Qeada) is getting deep day by day in all forms, they r acquiring business tricks, money transferring, holding up big post on all sides....its coming real real hard for the intelligence to counter them....
Agreed
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#53 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
There you have it. No where to go. So most STAND AND FIGHT.Dig innnnnnn!
 Standing and fighting is one thing, hiding and fighting is another. We stand and fight we are held accountable. 
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#54 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Standing and fighting is one thing, hiding and fighting is another. We stand and fight we are held accountable. 
Umm sorry sweety...We have done BOTH. If I have a choice, it's to hide and fight. I prefer to counter punches in boxing and martial arts. Shoto-Khan is different...attack....attack...attack.....Pick and choose. If someone came here, I am hiding and fighting. I know my terrain.
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#55 | 1591 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
And I am sure you saw my response to your poll. I will respond to certain things only. These types of tings interests me. I am never trying to belittle anyone, just sharing what I have learned throug my research.
 Yup I got your response...actually my arena collides a bit too .......some prospect easily pops up where thngs turns n get matched up with the exact ratio of analysis.....
#56 | 1591 days ago
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murphyiv wrote:
Umm sorry sweety...We have done BOTH. If I have a choice, it's to hide and fight. I prefer to counter punches in boxing and martial arts. Shoto-Khan is different...attack....attack...attack.....Pick and choose. If someone came here, I am hiding and fighting. I know my terrain.
 Ok I'll give you that one,  and yes we have done both.
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#57 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Standing and fighting is one thing, hiding and fighting is another. We stand and fight we are held accountable. 
 Glenda "Stand n fight" is really patriotic verse n I respect that but the reality is far different ..combat is all about the right thing at the right time n it includes hide n fight, guerrilla fighting, jungle warfare n so on n on.......Stand n Fight practically was done ages ago ...like the Greeks n Barbarians, Huns n Anglos.....etc.....but there too tricks r involved to bring the enemy down like just in case of Troy.
#58 | 1591 days ago
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Som6 wrote:
 Thats for the 1 reason I already brought up a Poll ..World Govt. ..just to get some view abt. my friends here.....n don't forget the Vietnamese jungle guerrilla warfare .....penetration by them (Al-Qeada) is getting deep day by day in all forms, they r acquiring business tricks, money transferring, holding up big post on all sides....its coming real real hard for the intelligence to counter them....
 Ok so that is where we have trained them. To learn business. But we can and do counter them. If we didnt we would have already sustained another attack
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#59 | 1591 days ago
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Som6 wrote:
 Glenda "Stand n fight" is really patriotic verse n I respect that but the reality is far different ..combat is all about the right thing at the right time n it includes hide n fight, guerrilla fighting, jungle warfare n so on n on.......Stand n Fight practically was done ages ago ...like the Greeks n Barbarians, Huns n Anglos.....etc.....but there too tricks r involved to bring the enemy down like just in case of Troy.
 Yes of course it does. And it's suppose to, but when you are dealing with terrorists who do not for one moment care who they kill. And do not get me wrong I am not opposed to a Trojan horse filled with some gas that would wipe out a terrorist camp. Standing and fighting means doing everything you can to remember that innocent people die. And that is something I hope the U.S. never forgets. Terrorists dont care but we should. We are very good at warfare, we have learned well from all we have fought. 
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#60 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Ok so that is where we have trained them. To learn business. But we can and do counter them. If we didnt we would have already sustained another attack
 You r not getting it ...the war is not only with arms or bombing up. 1 side they creating that terror n bringing down peace, bringing down normal living n on the other side they r penetrating in every fields. The big problem is the later one, they will keep going on n on until that time when they get that power to bring havoc.....its a cold war on other side......
#61 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 You r not getting it ...the war is not only with arms or bombing up. 1 side they creating that terror n bringing down peace, bringing down normal living n on the other side they r penetrating in every fields. The big problem is the later one, they will keep going on n on until that time when they get that power to bring havoc.....its a cold war on other side......
 Believe it or not I do get that. And cold wars are the most dangerous ones there are, one side waiting for the other side to forget for just a moment. To let their guard down so to speak.  Do not teat me as if I dont  understand your point. Wars are now fought with computers and businesses I get that, but at the end of the day at the heart of the war, still lies the soldiers.
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#62 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Yes of course it does. And it's suppose to, but when you are dealing with terrorists who do not for one moment care who they kill. And do not get me wrong I am not opposed to a Trojan horse filled with some gas that would wipe out a terrorist camp. Standing and fighting means doing everything you can to remember that innocent people die. And that is something I hope the U.S. never forgets. Terrorists dont care but we should. We are very good at warfare, we have learned well from all we have fought. 
 Your logic is perfect if its a case of say WW-II, Gulf War, Desert Storm but in case of terrorist it happens to be you someday woke up n heard that some neighbor in close block turns out to be supporting Jihad ....or a teen ager suddenly fires a priest to show his faith on Islam....where n how that boy turned(brain washed) n by whom is what the real scenario ....n this happening in every fields....target in economy, target in education, target in penetrating military bases ...everywhere .....I am talking abt. this cold war.
#63 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

You can destroy a Squad, you can destroy a Platoon, you can destroy a Battalion, you can destroy a Country, but you CAN'T destroy an IDEA!  In basic terms- you can't beat an "ISM"!   Terrorism is an idea, or thought for lack of a better term, and this "ISM" has no Country- so attacking a Country for the acts of 19 Terrorists (especially a Country where these people were not from) is the stupidest thing in the World to do!  Terrorism is an "in the shadows" kind of business that IS NOT Government related- nor Country related and can NOT be fought using "conventional ways" of war against any certain Nation!  Of those 19 Terrorists who flew those planes into our Homeland, 18 of them were Saudi Arabian and 1 of them was Egyptian- in fact, Bin Laden himself is a Saudi- so WHY are we attacking the Countries of Afghanistan and Iraq? There are "terrorist Cells" in EVERY COUNTRY in this World of ours- yet we are attacking two Countries who's Governments had NOTHING to do with 9/11- this is just stupid and a WASTE of Human American Lives and lots of American money.
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#64 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 Your logic is perfect if its a case of say WW-II, Gulf War, Desert Storm but in case of terrorist it happens to be you someday woke up n heard that some neighbor in close block turns out to be supporting Jihad ....or a teen ager suddenly fires a priest to show his faith on Islam....where n how that boy turned(brain washed) n by whom is what the real scenario ....n this happening in every fields....target in economy, target in education, target in penetrating military bases ...everywhere .....I am talking abt. this cold war.
 I realize this is what you are talking about, how do we fight an enemy we can not see? We all learn we have been recruited into this war, and we ourselves wake up. That is how we win this. 
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#65 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
You can destroy a Squad, you can destroy a Platoon, you can destroy a Battalion, you can destroy a Country, but you CAN'T destroy an IDEA!  In basic terms- you can't beat an "ISM"!   Terrorism is an idea, or thought for lack of a better term, and this "ISM" has no Country- so attacking a Country for the acts of 19 Terrorists (especially a Country where these people were not from) is the stupidest thing in the World to do!  Terrorism is an "in the shadows" kind of business that IS NOT Government related- nor Country related and can NOT be fought using "conventional ways" of war against any certain Nation!  Of those 19 Terrorists who flew those planes into our Homeland, 18 of them were Saudi Arabian and 1 of them was Egyptian- in fact, Bin Laden himself is a Saudi- so WHY are we attacking the Countries of Afghanistan and Iraq? There are "terrorist Cells" in EVERY COUNTRY in this World of ours- yet we are attacking two Countries who's Governments had NOTHING to do with 9/11- this is just stupid and a WASTE of Human American Lives and lots of American money.
 Thank you, I'm sure this is what i have been saying. 
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#66 | 1591 days ago

JRSFLAME88 wrote:
Considering that we have been over there for almost 10 years it looks like we would have gotten further on the "War on Terror".  Instead we are loosing members of our Military weekly.  When is it going to be enough?


The Iraq war was so unnecessary!  Bush was just trying to finish a job that his Daddy couldn't!  Saddam sure looked like a Big Bad Force to be reckoned with when he was caught.  Where are those WMD's?
I wish I had a resect to give. this will have to do for now . Be back after midnight to give you that respect.
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#67 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 I realize this is what you are talking about, how do we fight an enemy we can not see? We all learn we have been recruited into this war, and we ourselves wake up. That is how we win this. 
 One blow could/can have made a huge change and that was/is to bring "the leader" down...that could put a brake or say give a longer time to bring down many masterminds. Eventually to bring Obama as president who is Islam makes positive psychological effect which Al-Qaida never thought. They use to taunt ...USA as Islam haters when Bush was there and that they made a weapon in creating anti USA jihad groups but there they got a blow when Obama won .....
#68 | 1591 days ago
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(Edited by cubsgirl2)
Som6 wrote:
 One blow could/can have made a huge change and that was/is to bring "the leader" down...that could put a brake or say give a longer time to bring down many masterminds. Eventually to bring Obama as president who is Islam makes positive psychological effect which Al-Qaida never thought. They use to taunt ...USA as Islam haters when Bush was there and that they made a weapon in creating anti USA jihad groups but there they got a blow when Obama won .....
 Why? Obama is NOT  of the  muslim faith. You are suggesting that because he is of islamic  descent he is muslim. Now will it make a difference to a terrorist because he is our President? Hell no. Will it maybe make a difference in dealing with recognized Governments who is made up of those with Islamic faith? Maybe, but I doubt it. Do not for oneminute think this President will hesitate to use force on those who have wrongly called for a jihad.  
or even rightly called for one i should say
or even let it interfere in any decision to use force on anyone who will be out to harm HIS country
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#69 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

Som6 wrote:
 One blow could/can have made a huge change and that was/is to bring "the leader" down...that could put a brake or say give a longer time to bring down many masterminds. Eventually to bring Obama as president who is Islam makes positive psychological effect which Al-Qaida never thought. They use to taunt ...USA as Islam haters when Bush was there and that they made a weapon in creating anti USA jihad groups but there they got a blow when Obama won .....
President Obama IS NOT from "Islam" nor is he of the Muslim faith- he is a Christian!  His Father may have been of Muslim faith- but that is about as far as that goes with the current President! Also his name "Obama" is of Kenyan heritage (from his Father)- not Islamic Heritage , but his maternal heritage (his Mother) is mostly of English ancestry.... Your claim is FALSE and really has no relevance in this conversation, nor does his name change the "thoughts" or "plans" of any terrorist groups.
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#70 | 1591 days ago

Barack Hussein OBama is a muslin.  Remember his name was Barry.  Damn America wake up and see what you elected for president.
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#71 | 1591 days ago
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cuddles127017 wrote:
Barack Hussein OBama is a muslin.  Remember his name was Barry.  Damn America wake up and see what you elected for president.
His name WAS NOT Barry- that was a nickname!  He was BORN Barack Hussein Obama on August 4th, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii to a Kenyan born Father and an AMERICAN born mother!  YOU need to wake up and quit believing all the freaking LIES about YOUR current President and give the man the RESPECT he DESERVES as the current President of the United States!  He IS NOT a f%^king MUSLIM and never was!   http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1682433/bio      You people just NEVER stop do you?  How embarrassing you guys are to this great Nation of ours!
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#72 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

This argument has NOTHING to do with the Troops- nor with the job they are being tasked to do! I would say that EVERYONE in this Country supports the Troops- it's the Government and their decisions to invade a Country that is the argument. To often people (like you) translate the argument against this War into hatred for the Troops which is an absolute falsehood! The troops are doing what they are told to do by their leaders and are doing a great job of it- BUT they SHOULD NOT have been tasked with this invasion to begin with! Some people translate opposition to the war into "non-Patriotism" or non-support of the troops which is completely the WRONG thing to do!   BTW, I didn't see ANYONE on this site "judging our Soldiers" at all- did you?
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#73 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

(Edited by cubsgirl2)
 jihad is actually war its self, jihad refers to a holy war. It also states in the Koran, that you CANNOT order jihad on any person or country that has not ordered it on your religion first. so therefore the terrorists calling this a jihad is using there bible incorrectly. The U.S. never ordered a jihad. 
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#74 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

cuddles127017 wrote:
Barack Hussein OBama is a muslin.  Remember his name was Barry.  Damn America wake up and see what you elected for president.
I can't believe that someone was foolish enough to actually give you a respect for this TREASONOUS and COMPLETELY FALSE comment! Wow- just WOW!  Are people in this Country REALLY this ignorant?  Amazing!
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#75 | 1591 days ago
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(Edited by cubsgirl2)
cuddles127017 wrote:
Barack Hussein OBama is a muslin.  Remember his name was Barry.  Damn America wake up and see what you elected for president.
 Wow I have heard ignorance before, but you almost take first place for that statement. And yes I will as well add treasonous. 
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#76 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 Yes we are, very well said . I am,oor so here you go. 
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#77 | 1591 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Wow I have heard ignorance before, but you almost take first place for that statement. And yes I will as well add treasonous. 
wow...i honestly had to read the 3 times to believe she just said "what you elected"....just wow!
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#78 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

Absolutely!  Nobody is arguing that point at all. The point is the WAY this needs to be achieved! We cannot beat " an ISM" by using conventional warfare (use of the troops). This war will be won by using "intelligence gathering" and "Secret Missions" by our Ops guys. The average men and women in uniform are NOT trained to do this- nor should they be tasked with it. This is NOT a war with a "Country"- this is a war with certain individuals who are Religious Fundamentalists and claim NO COUNTRY as their own!
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#79 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 the war is being fought here, and so far thank god, since 9/11 we have woke up and taken threats more seriously. But your daughters and mine (they are 20 and 15) are going to grow up in a different freedom then we did. It sucks but it's true. But their generations are going to be the ones that will fiqure out how to live in it, where as we struggle with it. 
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#80 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

kobe_lova wrote:
wow...i honestly had to read the 3 times to believe she just said "what you elected"....just wow!
 welcome, as you can see this is where i've been all day. And yes she did. 
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#81 | 1591 days ago

you do know nothing changes with these. so after today, be done with it.
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#82 | 1591 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Great poll billie..well done!  good subject to talk about..
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#83 | 1591 days ago
marytrammell31 (+)

vindog wrote:
You can destroy a Squad, you can destroy a Platoon, you can destroy a Battalion, you can destroy a Country, but you CAN'T destroy an IDEA!  In basic terms- you can't beat an "ISM"!   Terrorism is an idea, or thought for lack of a better term, and this "ISM" has no Country- so attacking a Country for the acts of 19 Terrorists (especially a Country where these people were not from) is the stupidest thing in the World to do!  Terrorism is an "in the shadows" kind of business that IS NOT Government related- nor Country related and can NOT be fought using "conventional ways" of war against any certain Nation!  Of those 19 Terrorists who flew those planes into our Homeland, 18 of them were Saudi Arabian and 1 of them was Egyptian- in fact, Bin Laden himself is a Saudi- so WHY are we attacking the Countries of Afghanistan and Iraq? There are "terrorist Cells" in EVERY COUNTRY in this World of ours- yet we are attacking two Countries who's Governments had NOTHING to do with 9/11- this is just stupid and a WASTE of Human American Lives and lots of American money.
No truer words were ever spoken... So many of our military personnel have died for no reason at all.. I am amazed what our Government is doing in these two countries.. What is it they think they are going to accomplish? There is no one that can hide from the USA.. NOBODY, if the USA was really interested in tracking down criminals they have the means to do so.. That is just my thought on the subject.. But so many people are suffering from the Afghanistan and Iraq war.. It needs to end. Enough said.
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#84 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

kobe_lova wrote:
wow...i honestly had to read the 3 times to believe she just said "what you elected"....just wow!
That's the reason that I was so infuriated with her comment! She doesn't even have respect enough to refer to President Obama as a human being. He is a "what" to her (an inanimate object) as opposed to a him! Simply amazing... And people like "that" get to vote- WOW!  The truly amazing thing is that what IF President Obama's religion was Muslim (which it IS NOT), but what if? I thought we had Religious FREEDOM in this Country? I guess that ONLY applies if the persons religion is the same as yours- if not- you are a "WHAT"! 
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#85 | 1591 days ago

vindog wrote:
That's the reason that I was so infuriated with her comment! She doesn't even have respect enough to refer to President Obama as a human being. He is a "what" to her (an inanimate object) as opposed to a him! Simply amazing... And people like "that" get to vote- WOW!  The truly amazing thing is that what IF President Obama's religion was Muslim (which it IS NOT), but what if? I thought we had Religious FREEDOM in this Country? I guess that ONLY applies if the persons religion is the same as yours- if not- you are a "WHAT"! 
Yes, my first thought was so he couldnt be president if he was a muslim? when was that rule established....oh let me guess.
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#86 | 1591 days ago
18packabs (+)

Prohibition......
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#87 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
That's the reason that I was so infuriated with her comment! She doesn't even have respect enough to refer to President Obama as a human being. He is a "what" to her (an inanimate object) as opposed to a him! Simply amazing... And people like "that" get to vote- WOW!  The truly amazing thing is that what IF President Obama's religion was Muslim (which it IS NOT), but what if? I thought we had Religious FREEDOM in this Country? I guess that ONLY applies if the persons religion is the same as yours- if not- you are a "WHAT"! 
Remember our history, when Joe Kennedy wanted to one day run for the presidency, then with John finally doing it. And winning, a catholic!!!! oh my it was the popes way of taking over the world. Sound Familiar? He almost lost because of his religious beliefs, and look at what President Kennedy did. The same thing even though hes not muslim. But to be referred to as a what is to me racial in religious beliefs and ignorant. I hate George W. but always referred to him as Pres. Bush







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#88 | 1591 days ago
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(Edited by cubsgirl2)
 No we are fighting this war at home, everyday we are fighting it. Having to go through check points in airports, having to watch people like we never have before. Making sure that 9/11 never happens again is up to all of us. We have all been recruited into this war.  And as far as walkng down the street we are more aware of things now aren't we? of planes above us. that is another way to know we are at war here. against the same people who started it. 
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#89 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
cubsgirl2 wrote:
Remember our history, when Joe Kennedy wanted to one day run for the presidency, then with John finally doing it. And winning, a catholic!!!! oh my it was the popes way of taking over the world. Sound Familiar? He almost lost because of his religious beliefs, and look at what President Kennedy did. The same thing even though hes not muslim. But to be referred to as a what is to me racial in religious beliefs and ignorant. I hate George W. but always referred to him as Pres. Bush







The whole POINT of the matter is that President Obama IS NOT a Muslim- period! Whenever I hear that "argument" against this President, all I truly hear is RACISM- through and through! This is just a feeble and covert way of calling the President the N-Word without actually saying it. EVERYBODY KNOWS that President Obama does NOT practice the Muslim Religion and IS a practicing Christian (obviously that came out during the election and his "ties" to an "alleged" radical Christian Preacher), but they continue to perpetuate this falsehood to cover up the fact that they HATE that a Black man is the current President of the United States! Anyone can figure out their silly little racist games........But IF somebody HONESTLY thinks he is a Muslim- quite obviously they are about a dumb as a stick and truly can't think on their own so they actually believe a$$hats like Rush and Beck!
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#90 | 1591 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
The whole POINT of the matter is that President Obama IS NOT a Muslim- period! Whenever I hear that "argument" against this President, all I truly hear is RACISM- through and through! This is just a feeble and covert way of calling the President the N-Word without actually saying it. EVERYBODY KNOWS that President Obama does NOT practice the Muslim Religion and IS a practicing Christian (obviously that came out during the election and his "ties" to an "alleged" radical Christian Preacher), but they continue to perpetuate this falsehood to cover up the fact that they HATE that a Black man is the current President of the United States! Anyone can figure out their silly little racist games........But IF somebody HONESTLY thinks he is a Muslim- quite obviously they are about a dumb as a stick and truly can't think on their own so they actually believe a$$hats like Rush and Beck!
 Yes I agree with you, as we should because thats what it is racism. and these are the same people who will say in their next breathe that god needs to be put back in this country. thats what gets me they wave their god flag and preach hate. calling the president a what instead of a man.
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#91 | 1591 days ago
vindog (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Yes I agree with you, as we should because thats what it is racism. and these are the same people who will say in their next breathe that god needs to be put back in this country. thats what gets me they wave their god flag and preach hate. calling the president a what instead of a man.
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#92 | 1591 days ago
Sporz_Freek (+)

Som6 wrote:
 Your logic is perfect if its a case of say WW-II, Gulf War, Desert Storm but in case of terrorist it happens to be you someday woke up n heard that some neighbor in close block turns out to be supporting Jihad ....or a teen ager suddenly fires a priest to show his faith on Islam....where n how that boy turned(brain washed) n by whom is what the real scenario ....n this happening in every fields....target in economy, target in education, target in penetrating military bases ...everywhere .....I am talking abt. this cold war.
You seem to know too much abouit jihad theory. I don't like where this is going. Let's not use "HOT" words here. The net listeners pick up on them. The HLS people.
#93 | 1591 days ago
Sporz_Freek (+)

Som6 wrote:
 You r not getting it ...the war is not only with arms or bombing up. 1 side they creating that terror n bringing down peace, bringing down normal living n on the other side they r penetrating in every fields. The big problem is the later one, they will keep going on n on until that time when they get that power to bring havoc.....its a cold war on other side......
I am on your side Glenda.You make a good point.
#94 | 1591 days ago
Sporz_Freek (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Yes of course it does. And it's suppose to, but when you are dealing with terrorists who do not for one moment care who they kill. And do not get me wrong I am not opposed to a Trojan horse filled with some gas that would wipe out a terrorist camp. Standing and fighting means doing everything you can to remember that innocent people die. And that is something I hope the U.S. never forgets. Terrorists dont care but we should. We are very good at warfare, we have learned well from all we have fought. 
I gave my last respect to you on this post. Thumbs up Glenda.
#95 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Why? Obama is NOT  of the  muslim faith. You are suggesting that because he is of islamic  descent he is muslim. Now will it make a difference to a terrorist because he is our President? Hell no. Will it maybe make a difference in dealing with recognized Governments who is made up of those with Islamic faith? Maybe, but I doubt it. Do not for oneminute think this President will hesitate to use force on those who have wrongly called for a jihad.  
or even rightly called for one i should say
or even let it interfere in any decision to use force on anyone who will be out to harm HIS country
There will make a big difference which we may not know or get a glimpse of it or say the difference has already made into effect.....who knows but as per the cold war concern this is a big blow to them. Their concern is on highlighting religion effect to major muslim community n gaining more n more recruits who is turned against USA.....they r prepared to do any bid agnst the West ..Y?....'cause they highlights the 2 wars and makes USA enemy to Islam. Now Psychologically if you think you will get that when a President of a Islam background or say His name Barrack Hussein Obama comes up specially from that country which they hates most, comes a very negative effect on them as the religion theory of making weapon get blows off....
#96 | 1590 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

It's gonna be another 9/11..sooner or later.
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#97 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Yes I agree with you, as we should because thats what it is racism. and these are the same people who will say in their next breathe that god needs to be put back in this country. thats what gets me they wave their god flag and preach hate. calling the president a what instead of a man.
Glenda, i am disappointed in you.   I made a simple statement.  I did not attack you or anyone on the Q.  The president is fair game.  You and other have said despicable things about Bush and i  nor anyone  else has called you names for it.  Why do you  and vinnie feel the need to attack me.  You have called me, ignorant, treasonous,  raciest and now you are attacking my faith.  I have never waved a god flag whatever that is.  Yes, i do believe we do need God back in this country.  And by the way my doctor is a muslin, do you think i would trust my life to one if i were raciest.  You and vinnie attacked Som for say Obama was  muslin and i just stated a fact.  Please in the future try not to attack a fellow Q'er just because you disagree with what they say.  it's really  not nice.
Hugs to you and vinnie.
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#98 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
There will make a big difference which we may not know or get a glimpse of it or say the difference has already made into effect.....who knows but as per the cold war concern this is a big blow to them. Their concern is on highlighting religion effect to major muslim community n gaining more n more recruits who is turned against USA.....they r prepared to do any bid agnst the West ..Y?....'cause they highlights the 2 wars and makes USA enemy to Islam. Now Psychologically if you think you will get that when a President of a Islam background or say His name Barrack Hussein Obama comes up specially from that country which they hates most, comes a very negative effect on them as the religion theory of making weapon get blows off....
 If a President is ever elected and is a muslim he would be viewed as an infidel period. It would not make any terrorist want to lay down a weapon. This President is not Muslim. And although some want to call him that it does not make it true. These people hate our way of life and want it destroyed. And it does not matter who is in the office. Let me ask you how do these people feel about a muslim putting women into his cabinet and taking advice from her? Goes against their beliefs doesn't it? 
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#99 | 1590 days ago

vindog wrote:
You can destroy a Squad, you can destroy a Platoon, you can destroy a Battalion, you can destroy a Country, but you CAN'T destroy an IDEA!  In basic terms- you can't beat an "ISM"!   Terrorism is an idea, or thought for lack of a better term, and this "ISM" has no Country- so attacking a Country for the acts of 19 Terrorists (especially a Country where these people were not from) is the stupidest thing in the World to do!  Terrorism is an "in the shadows" kind of business that IS NOT Government related- nor Country related and can NOT be fought using "conventional ways" of war against any certain Nation!  Of those 19 Terrorists who flew those planes into our Homeland, 18 of them were Saudi Arabian and 1 of them was Egyptian- in fact, Bin Laden himself is a Saudi- so WHY are we attacking the Countries of Afghanistan and Iraq? There are "terrorist Cells" in EVERY COUNTRY in this World of ours- yet we are attacking two Countries who's Governments had NOTHING to do with 9/11- this is just stupid and a WASTE of Human American Lives and lots of American money.
That has never been confirmed my friend. 8 of those are alive and well which brings up a totally different argument. But i concur with the later part of your post.
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#100 | 1590 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 One blow could/can have made a huge change and that was/is to bring "the leader" down...that could put a brake or say give a longer time to bring down many masterminds. Eventually to bring Obama as president who is Islam makes positive psychological effect which Al-Qaida never thought. They use to taunt ...USA as Islam haters when Bush was there and that they made a weapon in creating anti USA jihad groups but there they got a blow when Obama won .....
That is like saying the USA has one leader. It has a group like every other country. You have to think big and then bigger. This is not a small game of life. He's Islamic? No he isn't. This has been planned and put forth before we dropped the first bomb.
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#101 | 1590 days ago

cuddles127017 wrote:
Barack Hussein OBama is a muslin.  Remember his name was Barry.  Damn America wake up and see what you elected for president.
Yep, they have to, anything after Bush is a big step up. I wouldn't even try and fix the problems that numb skull left behind. He hasn't ever been coherent in his tenure. Ask yourself how a person that was convicted of posession and drinking and driving, leaving the scene ever get on a ballot? It's against the law. But he did with daddy's help. That's a criminal. Your right, America needs to wake up. How about the billions that went missing in Iraq during his tenure? Talk about waking up....
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#102 | 1590 days ago

vindog wrote:
This argument has NOTHING to do with the Troops- nor with the job they are being tasked to do! I would say that EVERYONE in this Country supports the Troops- it's the Government and their decisions to invade a Country that is the argument. To often people (like you) translate the argument against this War into hatred for the Troops which is an absolute falsehood! The troops are doing what they are told to do by their leaders and are doing a great job of it- BUT they SHOULD NOT have been tasked with this invasion to begin with! Some people translate opposition to the war into "non-Patriotism" or non-support of the troops which is completely the WRONG thing to do!   BTW, I didn't see ANYONE on this site "judging our Soldiers" at all- did you?
Very good my friend....People have forgotten the Geneva treaty. You must DECLARE WAR, BEFORE YOU INVADE ANYONES SOIL. We made the charter and built the UN and then don't follow our own rules? That looks bad under any circumstance. Our (poor) familie and friends die out there, come home and become homeless! Get kicked off the bas in Afganistan when their injured and discharged! No rich kids are going, no bush's for sure. Their in place for another run for the Presidency. Two more.
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#103 | 1590 days ago

vindog wrote:
I can't believe that someone was foolish enough to actually give you a respect for this TREASONOUS and COMPLETELY FALSE comment! Wow- just WOW!  Are people in this Country REALLY this ignorant?  Amazing!
Are you convinced now?
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#104 | 1590 days ago

superb

#105 | 1590 days ago

There's already been wars here and are still going on. Try and keep your family together and teach them your way, feed them want you want to feed them. Dress the way you want them to. Keep them from getting inocculated and see what happens to you. Your dorr will be kicked in and most will get shot.
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#106 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 If a President is ever elected and is a muslim he would be viewed as an infidel period. It would not make any terrorist want to lay down a weapon. This President is not Muslim. And although some want to call him that it does not make it true. These people hate our way of life and want it destroyed. And it does not matter who is in the office. Let me ask you how do these people feel about a muslim putting women into his cabinet and taking advice from her? Goes against their beliefs doesn't it? 
These ppl always never pops out as muslim n thts the more complex part, hatred is inside n religion cover is for outside world.....they will drink with you which is agnst. them, they will act as Christian n U will never know until n unless they r caught. My point on the President issue is that the religion weapon (not any arms or modern guns) they used to highlight on former President is not going this time with Obama.
#107 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Very good my friend....People have forgotten the Geneva treaty. You must DECLARE WAR, BEFORE YOU INVADE ANYONES SOIL. We made the charter and built the UN and then don't follow our own rules? That looks bad under any circumstance. Our (poor) familie and friends die out there, come home and become homeless! Get kicked off the bas in Afganistan when their injured and discharged! No rich kids are going, no bush's for sure. Their in place for another run for the Presidency. Two more.
 Another problem with the last two wars. Calling it off before it is done. Once you are no longer at war, it limits what a country can and cannot do. The Geneva convention is very clear on that. The problem being is fighting an enemy who doe's not follow the rules of war. And then we have to. 
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#108 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
These ppl always never pops out as muslim n thts the more complex part, hatred is inside n religion cover is for outside world.....they will drink with you which is agnst. them, they will act as Christian n U will never know until n unless they r caught. My point on the President issue is that the religion weapon (not any arms or modern guns) they used to highlight on former President is not going this time with Obama.
 I'm sorry Som, I do not understand what you are trying to say here? Are you implying that the President is a closet Muslim? I really am lost on this post
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#109 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 I'm sorry Som, I do not understand what you are trying to say here? Are you implying that the President is a closet Muslim? I really am lost on this post
All I want to say is Obama being President now theres a far less attraction on the West compare to the term of Bush...this does not mean that they r not sketching out another 9/11 but certainly a psychological set back .....
#110 | 1590 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
That is like saying the USA has one leader. It has a group like every other country. You have to think big and then bigger. This is not a small game of life. He's Islamic? No he isn't. This has been planned and put forth before we dropped the first bomb.
 Agreed ..all was set before the 1st bomb...and certainly hope u got what exactly I mean ......
#111 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
All I want to say is Obama being President now theres a far less attraction on the West compare to the term of Bush...this does not mean that they r not sketching out another 9/11 but certainly a psychological set back .....
 Oh ok, well yeah anyone is less offensive to the world than President Bush was. But it doe's not diminish the need that Al Queda has to rid the world of America. And I do not believe it was any kind of a setback, as I stated earlier if a Muslim was to be president he would be viewed as an infidel, making their hate even stronger. 
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#112 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Another problem with the last two wars. Calling it off before it is done. Once you are no longer at war, it limits what a country can and cannot do. The Geneva convention is very clear on that. The problem being is fighting an enemy who doe's not follow the rules of war. And then we have to. 
We have never followed them sweety. Nither has anyone else. Why would I follow a rule to war? That's like asking for a fair fight? WTF? I am going to pull your eye ball out of it's socket if you make me fight you!
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#113 | 1590 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 Agreed ..all was set before the 1st bomb...and certainly hope u got what exactly I mean ......
Yes sir....Np here.
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#114 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Oh ok, well yeah anyone is less offensive to the world than President Bush was. But it doe's not diminish the need that Al Queda has to rid the world of America. And I do not believe it was any kind of a setback, as I stated earlier if a Muslim was to be president he would be viewed as an infidel, making their hate even stronger. 
Thats the President view would have ....but I am talking abt. those psychos .....
#115 | 1590 days ago

Everyone here knows the war is a smoke screen...right? It's a war for resources....America never wants to go to Africa, but now that China has reinforced itself by giving Africa money and not CREDIT, China has never left Africa destitute. Take away China and Africa would have faultered. Now America wants to go to Sudan to stop China from obtaining the OIL. China and Africa are allies and so is Russia with both. Stop both parties from obtaining the Oil and the otherr resources, beginning to checkmate! Check it out for yourselves.
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#116 | 1590 days ago
vindog (+)

cuddles127017 wrote:
Glenda, i am disappointed in you.   I made a simple statement.  I did not attack you or anyone on the Q.  The president is fair game.  You and other have said despicable things about Bush and i  nor anyone  else has called you names for it.  Why do you  and vinnie feel the need to attack me.  You have called me, ignorant, treasonous,  raciest and now you are attacking my faith.  I have never waved a god flag whatever that is.  Yes, i do believe we do need God back in this country.  And by the way my doctor is a muslin, do you think i would trust my life to one if i were raciest.  You and vinnie attacked Som for say Obama was  muslin and i just stated a fact.  Please in the future try not to attack a fellow Q'er just because you disagree with what they say.  it's really  not nice.
Hugs to you and vinnie.
You and vinnie attacked Som for say Obama was  muslin and i just stated a fact.       The problem here Pat is that this IS NOT A FACT! In fact, it is a lie that has been told over and over again, mostly by people from "Right Wing, Racist Organizations" such as the KKK and the like!  This statement has NEVER been true and NEVER will be true!  Also, YOU DID attack "others" on this site when they made off-color comments about President Bush and President Reagan- I should know- I was one of them. In fact, you told me that I was disgraceful for saying bad things about an American President- maybe you don't remember your words- but I do!         One other thing, I didn't "attack" you because I disagreed with you, I attacked you because YOU TOLD A BOLD FACED LIE and it's not the 1st time that you have said this either. You made a statement once before about President Obama being 1/2 Black, 1/4 White, and 1/4 Arab- do you remember that one? Once again, that was a LIE as well!
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#117 | 1590 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
Everyone here knows the war is a smoke screen...right? It's a war for resources....America never wants to go to Africa, but now that China has reinforced itself by giving Africa money and not CREDIT, China has never left Africa destitute. Take away China and Africa would have faultered. Now America wants to go to Sudan to stop China from obtaining the OIL. China and Africa are allies and so is Russia with both. Stop both parties from obtaining the Oil and the otherr resources, beginning to checkmate! Check it out for yourselves.
 So there when comes a World Govt. if any true solution have to made ...otherwise allies will increase so does anger ....results to WW III......this is just like a recycle to me ...coming back again in a new way....
#118 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
We have never followed them sweety. Nither has anyone else. Why would I follow a rule to war? That's like asking for a fair fight? WTF? I am going to pull your eye ball out of it's socket if you make me fight you!
 Bull! Yes we have followed the geneva convention, which by the way the 4th convention in particular which involves the treatment of pow's. We have always been humane. Why do you think Viet nam was so lost? Following the rules of war. Is one of the main reasons. But that is for another argument. 
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#119 | 1590 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 So there when comes a World Govt. if any true solution have to made ...otherwise allies will increase so does anger ....results to WW III......this is just like a recycle to me ...coming back again in a new way....
Ahhh grasshopper, you are learning. One World Gov. Do I need to show when it was instituted? 1991, Former pres bush. I have the excert.
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#120 | 1590 days ago
vindog (+)

murphyiv wrote:
We have never followed them sweety. Nither has anyone else. Why would I follow a rule to war? That's like asking for a fair fight? WTF? I am going to pull your eye ball out of it's socket if you make me fight you!
As a former Military Interrogator- I will say one thing (because I'm not allowed say a whole lot on this subject)- "At least somebody doesn't have their head in the sand"!
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#121 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 So there when comes a World Govt. if any true solution have to made ...otherwise allies will increase so does anger ....results to WW III......this is just like a recycle to me ...coming back again in a new way....
 So in this you are saying that to many allies make for a world war? 
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#122 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Bull! Yes we have followed the geneva convention, which by the way the 4th convention in particular which involves the treatment of pow's. We have always been humane. Why do you think Viet nam was so lost? Following the rules of war. Is one of the main reasons. But that is for another argument. 
Wow, don't hit me. Giggles. Haven't seen alot of war fottage have you? Well I have and I have done the research. Believe want you want. I found my answers and I know ALOT of vets and I have their PUBLISHED books. Why would they lie? Why do they cry? I know I haven't ever killed anyone. Laughs at following the rules of war. America shouldn't have even been there....ha ha haa. Seriously, go reread those wars and not just from the American side. The truth often hurts. One needs to even listen to a family member that has brought trouble to your door. They tell you one thing and then you find out another from people that weren't even involved...Why would they lie I often asked. Then the head bows down in shame. I understand the world around me.
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#123 | 1590 days ago

vindog wrote:
As a former Military Interrogator- I will say one thing (because I'm not allowed say a whole lot on this subject)- "At least somebody doesn't have their head in the sand"!
High fives you. I understand you Vinn....Always have.
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#124 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Wow, don't hit me. Giggles. Haven't seen alot of war fottage have you? Well I have and I have done the research. Believe want you want. I found my answers and I know ALOT of vets and I have their PUBLISHED books. Why would they lie? Why do they cry? I know I haven't ever killed anyone. Laughs at following the rules of war. America shouldn't have even been there....ha ha haa. Seriously, go reread those wars and not just from the American side. The truth often hurts. One needs to even listen to a family member that has brought trouble to your door. They tell you one thing and then you find out another from people that weren't even involved...Why would they lie I often asked. Then the head bows down in shame. I understand the world around me.
 I am not saying we haven't broken the rules of course we have. But we are now fighting an enemy that doesn't even have to abide by them or even give off the pretense of abiding by them. This is not an army for any nation. 
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#125 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 So in this you are saying that to many allies make for a world war? 
 That answer is in this question -
 
Are you saying that on the prospect of other side allies or for the joint allies that benefits your country?
#126 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 I am not saying we haven't broken the rules of course we have. But we are now fighting an enemy that doesn't even have to abide by them or even give off the pretense of abiding by them. This is not an army for any nation. 
 That exactly what I have been saying from long time above.....no "Stand n Fight" or combat rules to follow ..this is counter fight to save innocents life from such enemy that is penetrating in every fields.....
#127 | 1590 days ago

You said :"We have always been humane"
There is nothing humane about killing for resources. We say "for democracy", they say "we don't need no stinkin democracy, look at YOUR DEMOCRACY". We have been going off course. That's what's sad. Our troops are in every country. Maybe if they were home and NORAD wasn't told to stand down on 9/11, we would have some true answers... BTW why did 911 come out in the lottery the same day? hmmmmmm
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#128 | 1590 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 That exactly what I have been saying from long time above.....no "Stand n Fight" or combat rules to follow ..this is counter fight to save innocents life from such enemy that is penetrating in every fields.....

yep, u said it.

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#129 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:

yep, u said it.

 And I agree
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#130 | 1590 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
murphyiv wrote:
You said :"We have always been humane"
There is nothing humane about killing for resources. We say "for democracy", they say "we don't need no stinkin democracy, look at YOUR DEMOCRACY". We have been going off course. That's what's sad. Our troops are in every country. Maybe if they were home and NORAD wasn't told to stand down on 9/11, we would have some true answers... BTW why did 911 come out in the lottery the same day? hmmmmmm
Great point, but actually, NORAD wasn't told to stand down that day- they were actually doing a "training mission" on that day and all the jets were grounded. Funny how, the Terrorists just happened to pick the SAME DAY to carry out their attacks- HMMMMMMM.  Also when the jets were finally scrambled- they didn't know what they were looking for- instead they headed out to the Atlantic Ocean looking for Russian MIGS instead of American Passenger Airliners- another hmmmmmm.......  (****  note*** this info is from the 9/11 Commission Report and is public knowledge)
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#131 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
You said :"We have always been humane"
There is nothing humane about killing for resources. We say "for democracy", they say "we don't need no stinkin democracy, look at YOUR DEMOCRACY". We have been going off course. That's what's sad. Our troops are in every country. Maybe if they were home and NORAD wasn't told to stand down on 9/11, we would have some true answers... BTW why did 911 come out in the lottery the same day? hmmmmmm
 until gitmo, we have followed the 4th Geneva convention in the treatment of pow's. And of course the detaines at gitmo were never given pow status. Do I agree with this NO! 
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#132 | 1590 days ago

vindog wrote:
Great point, but actually, NORAD wasn't told to stand down that day- they were actually doing a "training mission" on that day and all the jets were grounded. Funny how, the Terrorists just happened to pick the SAME DAY to carry out their attacks- HMMMMMMM.  Also when the jets were finally scrambled- they didn't know what they were looking for- instead they headed out to the Atlantic Ocean looking for Russian MIGS instead of American Passenger Airliners- another hmmmmmm.......  (****  note*** this info is from the 9/11 Commission Report and is public knowledge)
very good and thanks for pulling it up for me!
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#133 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 until gitmo, we have followed the 4th Geneva convention in the treatment of pow's. And of course the detaines at gitmo were never given pow status. Do I agree with this NO! 
You remind me of a sweet and innocent young lady. There's alot you don't know. It's ok, it's better that way.
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#134 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
You remind me of a sweet and innocent young lady. There's alot you don't know. It's ok, it's better that way.
 Don't do that act because I have a uterus that I cannot understand war. Because I do. Do I believe the U.S. has never committed war crimes no I do not believe that. do I believe that we have never tortured? Of course I dont. We are the only country to have EVER used a wmd for Christ sake.  We do however follow the Geneva convention when ever we can. It does not mean we are going to get our ass kicked by someone who isn't. (although that has happened.)
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#135 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 And have held my own quite nicely in this poll too, I might add.  
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#136 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Don't do that act because I have a uterus that I cannot understand war. Because I do. Do I believe the U.S. has never committed war crimes no I do not believe that. do I believe that we have never tortured? Of course I dont. We are the only country to have EVER used a wmd for Christ sake.  We do however follow the Geneva convention when ever we can. It does not mean we are going to get our ass kicked by someone who isn't. (although that has happened.)
 The time is now for a joint venture Glenda...nothing can be sought out single handedly as the links are spread throughout ...we have to stay calm n act accordingly .....they will try to create a gap between the ties but we have to trust..it will be a stupid act if we go charging on other countries or invading if the attack links come from them as no Govt. will be responsible for it. One thing is that to put pressure on such country who is providing shelter to them ....n thts appear to be 1 country only .....
#137 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 And have held my own quite nicely in this poll too, I might add.  
 A well deserve respect for it .............nothing left or would have surely given 1....
#138 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 A well deserve respect for it .............nothing left or would have surely given 1....
 Lol, don't make me laugh I  have my grrrr face on. 
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#139 | 1590 days ago

 I am always scare of that face...most time have to see it.......good that my GF is not a Q member ....
#140 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 The time is now for a joint venture Glenda...nothing can be sought out single handedly as the links are spread throughout ...we have to stay calm n act accordingly .....they will try to create a gap between the ties but we have to trust..it will be a stupid act if we go charging on other countries or invading if the attack links come from them as no Govt. will be responsible for it. One thing is that to put pressure on such country who is providing shelter to them ....n thts appear to be 1 country only .....
 I said that a long time ago in this poll, holding countries accountable for harboring. Including Saudia Arabia, who has yet to even be blamed for their roll in 9/11
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#141 | 1590 days ago

(Edited by Som6)
cubsgirl2 wrote:
 I said that a long time ago in this poll, holding countries accountable for harboring. Including Saudia Arabia, who has yet to even be blamed for their roll in 9/11
 Yea but U said the countries have to pay the price for it n thts what they actually wants...to make war n tht will lead them to prove more ppl that how the West are against Islam..which will be their win and our loss...the same roll again n again. So thats Y I too said b4 that no country is responsible n thats where we have to stay 2gether n break down the connection .....  
#142 | 1590 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 And have held my own quite nicely in this poll too, I might add.  
Wow, I guess I'm wrong then? You're not sweet and innocent? Well you portray that by your statements. I thought you researched more and I found out you haven't. That explains my comment. Don't take it wrong. There is no holding of your own because I am not  attacking you, I am providing others with knowledge and they are willing to except it. "we follow the Geneva convention"? Sounds like you're the press sec with that. Giggles. I haven't even seen it posted here before I mentioned it. But do explain to me how we do.....
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#143 | 1590 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 Yea but U said the countries have to pay the price for it n thts what they actually wants...to make war n tht will lead them to prove more ppl that how the West are against Islam..which will be their win and our loss...the same roll again n again. So thats Y I too said b4 that no country is responsible n thats where we have to stay 2gether n break down the connection .....  
Right again....There will be no breaking down anything my friend. This is end game. You know what comes after, " New World Order". Some people just don't understand what that means.
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#144 | 1590 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
Right again....There will be no breaking down anything my friend. This is end game. You know what comes after, " New World Order". Some people just don't understand what that means.
 Yea Yea ...but losing hope is a big sign of defeat ...there can be steps taken though tough but we all have to get united n see it in 1 eye ..make a pact n then bring down this so called leader...u knw this will make a great impact ....n another big weapon is in our hand ..try to understand this....the religion which is their core issue ...get this deeply, can't explain here .....
#145 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Wow, I guess I'm wrong then? You're not sweet and innocent? Well you portray that by your statements. I thought you researched more and I found out you haven't. That explains my comment. Don't take it wrong. There is no holding of your own because I am not  attacking you, I am providing others with knowledge and they are willing to except it. "we follow the Geneva convention"? Sounds like you're the press sec with that. Giggles. I haven't even seen it posted here before I mentioned it. But do explain to me how we do.....
 it has nothing to do with attacks. you are proving your version of knowledge. which you believe to be the truth, ans i agre with much of what you have had to say.
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#146 | 1590 days ago

What rules of engagment? Why worry about the Geneva Convention?
Gen. Petraeus
: Well, actually what I would ask is, "Does that not take away from our enemies a tool which again have beaten us around the head and shoulders in the court of public opinion?" When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those.

The admission came as Senators investigated revelations of sexual and psychological abuse of detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad which prompted outrage around the world and undermined US efforts to stabilise the occupied country. I would describe is as a violation, sir," replied Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"As I read Gen. Sanchez's guidance, precisely that behavior could have been employed in Iraq," said Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat.

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#147 | 1590 days ago

(Edited by murphyiv)
Som6 wrote:
 Yea Yea ...but losing hope is a big sign of defeat ...there can be steps taken though tough but we all have to get united n see it in 1 eye ..make a pact n then bring down this so called leader...u knw this will make a great impact ....n another big weapon is in our hand ..try to understand this....the religion which is their core issue ...get this deeply, can't explain here .....
Who lost hope? I have no hope in man. He has proven to be destructive and his actions warrant punishment. There will be another to go after, then another. get it yet? Until it's YOU. I don't believe anything someone brings up to me about another person. especially if i don't know them. That to me is a conspiracy to slander another without proof. My eyes are wide open. I can't change what they are doing but I can enlighten those that don't know. I am working with children at a young age to help them see they have a choice between right and wrong and you don't have to "join" anyting that's wrong. Grown ups have their minds made up due to the things that have transpired in their lives while growing up. I am explainging to children there will be plenty of those, but you must not become like them. Oh and I got it, the religion thing. It's now Islam against Christanity.
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#148 | 1590 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
how can killing innocent people and destroy the land of God with all living creatures on it be personal???





Bin Laden fights for religion, and he is not afraid of death. I think it's time to realise dat USA can't destroy Al Qaeda and Bin Laden never to be caught alive
The Land Of God is ISRAEL!  



Damn, you actually sound like you buy into this BS that Bin Laden believes in! 
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#149 | 1590 days ago

vindog wrote:
You and vinnie attacked Som for say Obama was  muslin and i just stated a fact.       The problem here Pat is that this IS NOT A FACT! In fact, it is a lie that has been told over and over again, mostly by people from "Right Wing, Racist Organizations" such as the KKK and the like!  This statement has NEVER been true and NEVER will be true!  Also, YOU DID attack "others" on this site when they made off-color comments about President Bush and President Reagan- I should know- I was one of them. In fact, you told me that I was disgraceful for saying bad things about an American President- maybe you don't remember your words- but I do!         One other thing, I didn't "attack" you because I disagreed with you, I attacked you because YOU TOLD A BOLD FACED LIE and it's not the 1st time that you have said this either. You made a statement once before about President Obama being 1/2 Black, 1/4 White, and 1/4 Arab- do you remember that one? Once again, that was a LIE as well!
Vin, this is where i am coming from.  In the muslin religion A male born to a muslin male is a muslin.  it is their religion and the males middle names are some form of Hussein.  For the most part of Obama's first 10 years he was reared in the muslin faith, especially his 3 or 4 years in Indonesia.  Although he attended a Catholic school there he was  registered a muslin as his faith and each child had to spend two hours a week studying their faith which he did. Also in their religion if a male under age rejects the muslin religion they are held until they reach the age of maturity and given a chance to reject it again and if they do they are put to death also any adult male who rejects the muslin faith is hunted down and killed.   I wonder why Obama's first trip overseas was to a head honcho Muslin and i saw for myself  him bowing down to him as i am sure you did.   I have not seen Obama anywhere denounce his muslin faith, in fact i have seen several clips on the news and on the internet where he says he is one of them.
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#150 | 1590 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
Right again....There will be no breaking down anything my friend. This is end game. You know what comes after, " New World Order". Some people just don't understand what that means.
How right you are.
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#151 | 1590 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
cuddles127017 wrote:
Vin, this is where i am coming from.  In the muslin religion A male born to a muslin male is a muslin.  it is their religion and the males middle names are some form of Hussein.  For the most part of Obama's first 10 years he was reared in the muslin faith, especially his 3 or 4 years in Indonesia.  Although he attended a Catholic school there he was  registered a muslin as his faith and each child had to spend two hours a week studying their faith which he did. Also in their religion if a male under age rejects the muslin religion they are held until they reach the age of maturity and given a chance to reject it again and if they do they are put to death also any adult male who rejects the muslin faith is hunted down and killed.   I wonder why Obama's first trip overseas was to a head honcho Muslin and i saw for myself  him bowing down to him as i am sure you did.   I have not seen Obama anywhere denounce his muslin faith, in fact i have seen several clips on the news and on the internet where he says he is one of them.
Wrong again Pat! He was NEVER raised as a Muslim. His Mother and Grandmother raised him as Christian and Catholic respectfully (even though his Mother was an Atheist) - his Father left his Mother when President Obama was 2 years old and he NEVER lived with his Father! Once again- more lies perpetrated by the radical Right!   BTW- you have NEVER seen President Obama call himself a Muslim- once again- another lie! And if it's not a lie- then you would have NO TROUBLE posting a link where President Obama calls himself a Muslim- right?     I would bet that you can't produce any evidence........  Oh and one other thing- just because you are BORN the son a Muslim- does NOT make you a Muslim- it may have been his Fathers Faith- but it is not President Obamas Faith! I was born the son of a Catholic and was Baptized Roman Catholic- but I AM NOT Catholic!   Your argument truly exceeds the realms of judgment!
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#152 | 1590 days ago
vindog (+)

cuddles127017 wrote:
Vin, this is where i am coming from.  In the muslin religion A male born to a muslin male is a muslin.  it is their religion and the males middle names are some form of Hussein.  For the most part of Obama's first 10 years he was reared in the muslin faith, especially his 3 or 4 years in Indonesia.  Although he attended a Catholic school there he was  registered a muslin as his faith and each child had to spend two hours a week studying their faith which he did. Also in their religion if a male under age rejects the muslin religion they are held until they reach the age of maturity and given a chance to reject it again and if they do they are put to death also any adult male who rejects the muslin faith is hunted down and killed.   I wonder why Obama's first trip overseas was to a head honcho Muslin and i saw for myself  him bowing down to him as i am sure you did.   I have not seen Obama anywhere denounce his muslin faith, in fact i have seen several clips on the news and on the internet where he says he is one of them.
Pat, this should dispel some of the falsehoods going around about President Obama!  If this doesn't prove that all you have said were repeated lies ( probably not by your intention) perpetuated by the Right Wing Wackos - I really can't help you!   http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp      
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#153 | 1590 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Who lost hope? I have no hope in man. He has proven to be destructive and his actions warrant punishment. There will be another to go after, then another. get it yet? Until it's YOU. I don't believe anything someone brings up to me about another person. especially if i don't know them. That to me is a conspiracy to slander another without proof. My eyes are wide open. I can't change what they are doing but I can enlighten those that don't know. I am working with children at a young age to help them see they have a choice between right and wrong and you don't have to "join" anyting that's wrong. Grown ups have their minds made up due to the things that have transpired in their lives while growing up. I am explainging to children there will be plenty of those, but you must not become like them. Oh and I got it, the religion thing. It's now Islam against Christanity.
 Then if you believe there is no hope then why teach? I'm sorry but really why help children to do it different, to do it right if there is no hope? And no it is not Islam against Christanity. It is extremists against all that they don't believe in. Islam is a peaceful beautiful religion in it's true origin. You know what I think I think that nothing in this world pisses God off more than men killing in his name. Thats what I believe, how dare anyone presume to know whose side God is on.  
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#154 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

cuddles127017 wrote:
Vin, this is where i am coming from.  In the muslin religion A male born to a muslin male is a muslin.  it is their religion and the males middle names are some form of Hussein.  For the most part of Obama's first 10 years he was reared in the muslin faith, especially his 3 or 4 years in Indonesia.  Although he attended a Catholic school there he was  registered a muslin as his faith and each child had to spend two hours a week studying their faith which he did. Also in their religion if a male under age rejects the muslin religion they are held until they reach the age of maturity and given a chance to reject it again and if they do they are put to death also any adult male who rejects the muslin faith is hunted down and killed.   I wonder why Obama's first trip overseas was to a head honcho Muslin and i saw for myself  him bowing down to him as i am sure you did.   I have not seen Obama anywhere denounce his muslin faith, in fact i have seen several clips on the news and on the internet where he says he is one of them.
 Pat, did you ever ask yourself why President Bush went to the middle east and met with the same people? Why the richest oil families in the middle east had nicknames for him? Have you ever asked yourself why he was so in bed with the Saudis? NO you didn't because he is white from Texas and his name is George.  And by the way George also bowed.
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#155 | 1589 days ago
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cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Pat, did you ever ask yourself why President Bush went to the middle east and met with the same people? Why the richest oil families in the middle east had nicknames for him? Have you ever asked yourself why he was so in bed with the Saudis? NO you didn't because he is white from Texas and his name is George.  And by the way George also bowed.
Good 'Ole George was having a love affair with the Saudis!

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#156 | 1589 days ago
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(Edited by cubsgirl2)
 And Pat now if you want I can go further with the Bush Saudi connection.  Like how many times the Bin Laden family and him have broke bread together. 

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#157 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

"In Afghanistan, the freedom fighters are the key to peace. We support the Mujahadeen..." (President Ronald Reagan, Seventh State of the Union Address, January 1988).              Guess who those "Freedom Fighters" were?  Thats right- Osama Bin Laden and his band of Merry Men........
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#158 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
 

Earlier this week, I cited recently declassified documents to show that Ronald Reagan did indeed play a major role in ending the Cold War. Now it's time to note that a similar set of documents shows that Reagan also played a major role in bringing on the terrorist war that followed—specifically, in abetting the rise of Osama Bin Laden

Once again, the story concerns the fascinating relationship between Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

I could keep this up for hours if I really wanted to....

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#159 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
 

Earlier this week, I cited recently declassified documents to show that Ronald Reagan did indeed play a major role in ending the Cold War. Now it's time to note that a similar set of documents shows that Reagan also played a major role in bringing on the terrorist war that followed—specifically, in abetting the rise of Osama Bin Laden

Once again, the story concerns the fascinating relationship between Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

I could keep this up for hours if I really wanted to....

 God, we have so many times armed the wrong people.  It's like we are paying Peter to kill Paul because we don't like Paul, thenPeter kills Paul and decides to kill us too. 
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#160 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 God, we have so many times armed the wrong people.  It's like we are paying Peter to kill Paul because we don't like Paul, thenPeter kills Paul and decides to kill us too. 
The problem about this REAL FACTUAL BUSINESS between President Reagan and Bin Laden is that MOST Republicans have turned a blind eye and won't admit that their " Golden Boy President" actually harmed this Country MORE than ANY OTHER American President ever has or ever will!  Reagan (and his Administration) virtually single handily CAUSED this "jihad" that has been released on this Country by Osama Bin Laden!    
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#161 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 God, we have so many times armed the wrong people.  It's like we are paying Peter to kill Paul because we don't like Paul, thenPeter kills Paul and decides to kill us too. 
good god gina
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#162 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
"In Afghanistan, the freedom fighters are the key to peace. We support the Mujahadeen..." (President Ronald Reagan, Seventh State of the Union Address, January 1988).              Guess who those "Freedom Fighters" were?  Thats right- Osama Bin Laden and his band of Merry Men........
 What happened to the Northern Alliance? Do they have any control in the new Government? Those people fought long and hard against the Taliban before we went in.
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#163 | 1589 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

kobe_lova wrote:
good god gina
What did I do?
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#164 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

kobe_lova wrote:
good god gina
 Did you mean me? or gina?
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#165 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Did you mean me? or gina?
you. i'm drunk.
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#166 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 What happened to the Northern Alliance? Do they have any control in the new Government? Those people fought long and hard against the Taliban before we went in.
The Northern Alliance was merely a group of paid assassins and NOTHING more! They did the job that they were paid to do and now they work for the Taliban! Also they are a key element in the "Heroin Trade" that actually funds these terrorist cells!   The Northern Alliance does not exist anymore and have changed sides of the fight.  The ONLY reason they fought the Taliban to begin with was because they wanted full control of that region- no other reason!
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#167 | 1589 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

kobe_lova wrote:
you. i'm drunk.
LMAO....Then go to the It's not for breakfast poll!
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#168 | 1589 days ago

I am sorry for interupting your political discussion, I love coming to these threads. Reading all the opinions and facts presented by both sides of the discussion. I am not an intelligent person, when it comes to these things, so I don't participate. I don't want to just talk out my ass. But thank you to all of you for allowing me to self-educate myself through your knowledge.

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#169 | 1589 days ago

vindog wrote:
The Northern Alliance was merely a group of paid assassins and NOTHING more! They did the job that they were paid to do and now they work for the Taliban! Also they are a key element in the "Heroin Trade" that actually funds these terrorist cells!   The Northern Alliance does not exist anymore and have changed sides of the fight.  The ONLY reason they fought the Taliban to begin with was because they wanted full control of that region- no other reason!
your inputs are indeed very comprehensive! I studied a few of your arguments and have read some things before and YES a lot of your contentions are very believable, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
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#170 | 1589 days ago

vindog wrote:
The problem about this REAL FACTUAL BUSINESS between President Reagan and Bin Laden is that MOST Republicans have turned a blind eye and won't admit that their " Golden Boy President" actually harmed this Country MORE than ANY OTHER American President ever has or ever will!  Reagan (and his Administration) virtually single handily CAUSED this "jihad" that has been released on this Country by Osama Bin Laden!    
 Practically no single person is responsible though blame goes to 1as for the final signature.....now that was actually at that time thought as a clever idea of kicking out the Russians with more Laden army. The total activity is a very deep thing analysed in detail very very long ago......it was a step where less men will die with minimum engagement and off coarse arming the Laden force with some top grade weapons. In general that mission was a success in winning the war with less expense than others but a big n dangerous mistake to involve Laden whose background was known previously.......n one thing ...not going into debate ....but the way Christianity  works from 1 gen to another ..its not the same for Islam .....if someone decides to convert from Islam then there community will let the whole family on 1 side ...no touch with the society or if a Christian boy decides to marry a muslim gal then he 1st have to change his religion or else there community will never let them to get united ......   
#171 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
 I hate war, and I hate people(...)who create war..

Abraham Lincoln:"There's no honorable way to kill,no gentle way to destroy.There is nothing good in war,except its ending"

I don't favor war either...but Abe waged war on his own countrymen..hardly a peace president.
There are reasons to fight..like protecting your country.
#172 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
The Northern Alliance was merely a group of paid assassins and NOTHING more! They did the job that they were paid to do and now they work for the Taliban! Also they are a key element in the "Heroin Trade" that actually funds these terrorist cells!   The Northern Alliance does not exist anymore and have changed sides of the fight.  The ONLY reason they fought the Taliban to begin with was because they wanted full control of that region- no other reason!
 wow, see this I did not know. Thats a shame
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#173 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

radiowave000 wrote:
I don't favor war either...but Abe waged war on his own countrymen..hardly a peace president.
There are reasons to fight..like protecting your country.
Protecting yer country doesn't give you the right to kill innocent people. you think it was okay for Bush to kill innocent people just for OIL?? It's clear dat I know about the politics of yer country better than you know...
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#174 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 Ok guys this was very educational, and I thank everyone who debated with me. I hope we can all agree on one thing. The world has changed for us. We can no longer sit back and think we are safe because we have the strongest military in the world.  We all have to be involved in this war, and to remember don't hate a religion or anyone who practices it. Terrorists are NOT practicing their religion, they kill because they want to.  We are all members of one race the human race.   Peace out girl scouts.
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#175 | 1589 days ago
Dave77 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
Protecting yer country doesn't give you the right to kill innocent people. you think it was okay for Bush to kill innocent people just for OIL?? It's clear dat I know about the politics of yer country better than you know...

Who are you?

#176 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
Protecting yer country doesn't give you the right to kill innocent people. you think it was okay for Bush to kill innocent people just for OIL?? It's clear dat I know about the politics of yer country better than you know...
 No it  is not right to kill innocent people. But you have to remember 9/11 was a flat out attack on civilians, and the countries that harbored these terrorist had to know the strength of America was going to come down. Do we kill for oil? Yes. It saddens me this country allow for things like Romania and the Sudan to happen and we don't help, because there is no oil in those countries.  But we also cannot let an attack of that magnitude take place on this country and NOT respond. It seems to me the easiest solution here is for countries to start saying you cannot hide and you cannot train terrorists in this country anymore. Really would you want the full strength of this country knocking at your door? 
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#177 | 1589 days ago

vindog wrote:
The problem about this REAL FACTUAL BUSINESS between President Reagan and Bin Laden is that MOST Republicans have turned a blind eye and won't admit that their " Golden Boy President" actually harmed this Country MORE than ANY OTHER American President ever has or ever will!  Reagan (and his Administration) virtually single handily CAUSED this "jihad" that has been released on this Country by Osama Bin Laden!    
Stand on a stage and say it louder. Sad thing is you'll disappear...
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#178 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Then if you believe there is no hope then why teach? I'm sorry but really why help children to do it different, to do it right if there is no hope? And no it is not Islam against Christanity. It is extremists against all that they don't believe in. Islam is a peaceful beautiful religion in it's true origin. You know what I think I think that nothing in this world pisses God off more than men killing in his name. Thats what I believe, how dare anyone presume to know whose side God is on.  
REREAD my first and second sentence....then read the rest slowlyyyyyy.
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#179 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
REREAD my first and second sentence....then read the rest slowlyyyyyy.
 Watch it buddy 


i have not had anywhere near enough coffee yet this morning to be nice.  
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#180 | 1589 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
Protecting yer country doesn't give you the right to kill innocent people. you think it was okay for Bush to kill innocent people just for OIL?? It's clear dat I know about the politics of yer country better than you know...
Just for Oil? I think YOU are an extremist is what I think! No, you don't know anything about the USA obviously!
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#181 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Watch it buddy 


i have not had anywhere near enough coffee yet this morning to be nice.  
Touche, young lady.....You start, I'll finish? Pours her a fresh 40 oz of columbian coffee....I normally pour rauchy women fresh cups of shut the f*ck up...You'll only get the best!
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#182 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Touche, young lady.....You start, I'll finish? Pours her a fresh 40 oz of columbian coffee....I normally pour rauchy women fresh cups of shut the f*ck up...You'll only get the best!
   But I really prefer Sumatra, but I will accept your gracious cup of Columbian.  
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#183 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Then if you believe there is no hope then why teach? I'm sorry but really why help children to do it different, to do it right if there is no hope? And no it is not Islam against Christanity. It is extremists against all that they don't believe in. Islam is a peaceful beautiful religion in it's true origin. You know what I think I think that nothing in this world pisses God off more than men killing in his name. Thats what I believe, how dare anyone presume to know whose side God is on.  
Start yourrrrrr research enginessssss now! It has and will be religious wars....MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOURS...Start your research.......Just for you young lady: I am not actually speaking for myself....ok?
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#184 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
   But I really prefer Sumatra, but I will accept your gracious cup of Columbian.  
Bows as I pour, but keeps my eye on you.....
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#185 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Dave77 wrote:

Who are you?

I've heard this question 100 times...





soon...YOU will find out, but for now I'm Mr. X
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#186 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Start yourrrrrr research enginessssss now! It has and will be religious wars....MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOURS...Start your research.......Just for you young lady: I am not actually speaking for myself....ok?
 And I whole heartedly agree with you, and how sad is this. That men kill in Gods name.
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#187 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 And I whole heartedly agree with you, and how sad is this. That men kill in Gods name.
Isn't it? I have a worse story. One friend of mine was killed for not giving another a CIGARRETTE and he had five kids he was taking care of himself! Another killed for telling someone, "give me a f*cking dollar". Shot once in the neck. Now i guess you can understand why i say "I have no hope in man". I do in women though...luv em to death...did I just say that?
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#188 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
Isn't it? I have a worse story. One friend of mine was killed for not giving another a CIGARRETTE and he had five kids he was taking care of himself! Another killed for telling someone, "give me a f*cking dollar". Shot once in the neck. Now i guess you can understand why i say "I have no hope in man". I do in women though...luv em to death...did I just say that?
 God's greatest and worse gift to us was free will. These men did what they did on free will. I think the difference in that useless waste of 2 good lives, and religious wars is, those murderers never said I am killing for God. 
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#189 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I'm not an extremist...I'm speaking THE TRUTH.
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#190 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
I've heard this question 100 times...





soon...YOU will find out, but for now I'm Mr. X
 Don't take me in wrong sense Tweto ....but if deeply taken Middle East needs some control for the aggressiveness and for their hunt for nuke ...now if such thngs goes to wrong hands u knw wht can happen ...even Europe or anyother place on earth will not be safe. The control on Afghanistan n Pakistan is also very essential due to it as Pakistan is unofficially a nuke holder n has got that scientist who leaked nuke secrets to many countries ...for just 1 is Iran......now somebody has to come up with allies (which include Europe n Asia) to stop spreading dangerous things into wrong hands. 
#191 | 1589 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 Don't take me in wrong sense Tweto ....but if deeply taken Middle East needs some control for the aggressiveness and for their hunt for nuke ...now if such thngs goes to wrong hands u knw wht can happen ...even Europe or anyother place on earth will not be safe. The control on Afghanistan n Pakistan is also very essential due to it as Pakistan is unofficially a nuke holder n has got that scientist who leaked nuke secrets to many countries ...for just 1 is Iran......now somebody has to come up with allies (which include Europe n Asia) to stop spreading dangerous things into wrong hands. 
My good man, allow me to add that Iran is a member of the nuclear proliferation treaty and Israel is not. So why can Israel have a nuclear weapon and Iran can't enrich uranium for any purpose they want? That's the things people don't talk about on the news or print on paper. Israel is bulldozzing homes with children in them and we are in Iraq and 50 other countries?
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#192 | 1589 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
My good man, allow me to add that Iran is a member of the nuclear proliferation treaty and Israel is not. So why can Israel have a nuclear weapon and Iran can't enrich uranium for any purpose they want? That's the things people don't talk about on the news or print on paper. Israel is bulldozzing homes with children in them and we are in Iraq and 50 other countries?
 Yea right on the track u go..but see how they acquire the nuke...sitting with N.Korea, Pak n China ...just as we discussed b4 of the other allies, seems things already on motion with great speed... 
#193 | 1589 days ago

Agreed.
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#194 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
I'm not an extremist...I'm speaking THE TRUTH.
 You're version of the truth, we all have that, and we will never all agree on it. 
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#195 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 You're version of the truth, we all have that, and we will never all agree on it. 
I did not ask anyone to agree with me..
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#196 | 1589 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
I did not ask anyone to agree with me..
It doesn't not matter if you asked or not. NOBODY in this poll agrees with you!
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#197 | 1589 days ago

Som6 wrote:
 Yea right on the track u go..but see how they acquire the nuke...sitting with N.Korea, Pak n China ...just as we discussed b4 of the other allies, seems things already on motion with great speed... 
Hmmm, didn't Israel acquire theirs illegally? Big YES. They boast of having the best forces in the world. The best weapons, the best secret agents, yet they call us to defend them. Then when we tell them to stop bulldozzing, they put their finger in their ears....
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#198 | 1589 days ago

BTW, didn't we give the a billion this year, last year and the years before?
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#199 | 1589 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
Hmmm, didn't Israel acquire theirs illegally? Big YES. They boast of having the best forces in the world. The best weapons, the best secret agents, yet they call us to defend them. Then when we tell them to stop bulldozzing, they put their finger in their ears....
 U knw the history, they have been made strongest as they suffered the maximum. WW-II was/is/will be the tragic part forever specially for them n now they themselves n many others made them powerful enough not to take any more chances that can be danger for their future.....

Mossad will not stop until they gain over Hamas ...... 
#200 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

JRSFLAME88 wrote:
It doesn't not matter if you asked or not. NOBODY in this poll agrees with you!
YER WRONG!! 





Don't reply to any of my comment again...because you sound like a racist to me,,
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#201 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

murphyiv wrote:
My good man, allow me to add that Iran is a member of the nuclear proliferation treaty and Israel is not. So why can Israel have a nuclear weapon and Iran can't enrich uranium for any purpose they want? That's the things people don't talk about on the news or print on paper. Israel is bulldozzing homes with children in them and we are in Iraq and 50 other countries?
Israel is also getting ready to build homes on Palestinian land that the Palestinians were going to make the Capital of their Country. This land BTW is NOT recognized by ANY ONE as Israeli land either- in fact- it's not even on their map as being part of Israel!  If this isn't an act of WAR- I don't know what is. Thankfully, our Government (President Obama) is condemning this act by Israel- but lets see what happens IF Israel doesn't back off of this proposal........Quite honestly, I don't even know WHY the U.S. supports Israel anyway- they have done NOTHING to help our Country, they have no Soldiers in Afghanistan or Iraq (to support us), they accept BILLIONS of dollars each year from our Country even though they are one of the richest Countries in the World, and they really DO NOTHING to "keep the peace in the Middle East" either. In fact, they promote a lot of the problems over there- so WHY do we support them? I personally think that the U.S. should STOP supporting them and let them fight their own battles!  I'm not "Anti-Semetic" at all- I just feel like our Country supports them way too much.
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#202 | 1589 days ago

vindog wrote:
Israel is also getting ready to build homes on Palestinian land that the Palestinians were going to make the Capital of their Country. This land BTW is NOT recognized by ANY ONE as Israeli land either- in fact- it's not even on their map as being part of Israel!  If this isn't an act of WAR- I don't know what is. Thankfully, our Government (President Obama) is condemning this act by Israel- but lets see what happens IF Israel doesn't back off of this proposal........Quite honestly, I don't even know WHY the U.S. supports Israel anyway- they have done NOTHING to help our Country, they have no Soldiers in Afghanistan or Iraq (to support us), they accept BILLIONS of dollars each year from our Country even though they are one of the richest Countries in the World, and they really DO NOTHING to "keep the peace in the Middle East" either. In fact, they promote a lot of the problems over there- so WHY do we support them? I personally think that the U.S. should STOP supporting them and let them fight their own battles!  I'm not "Anti-Semetic" at all- I just feel like our Country supports them way too much.

I know you aren't, but you'll be labeled anyway, as I am. Everyone's PC who likes to adhere monikers to anyone who has an opinion. But you are right.

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#203 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
Israel is also getting ready to build homes on Palestinian land that the Palestinians were going to make the Capital of their Country. This land BTW is NOT recognized by ANY ONE as Israeli land either- in fact- it's not even on their map as being part of Israel!  If this isn't an act of WAR- I don't know what is. Thankfully, our Government (President Obama) is condemning this act by Israel- but lets see what happens IF Israel doesn't back off of this proposal........Quite honestly, I don't even know WHY the U.S. supports Israel anyway- they have done NOTHING to help our Country, they have no Soldiers in Afghanistan or Iraq (to support us), they accept BILLIONS of dollars each year from our Country even though they are one of the richest Countries in the World, and they really DO NOTHING to "keep the peace in the Middle East" either. In fact, they promote a lot of the problems over there- so WHY do we support them? I personally think that the U.S. should STOP supporting them and let them fight their own battles!  I'm not "Anti-Semetic" at all- I just feel like our Country supports them way too much.
 Israel is a mystery to me. I like how they don't play. You hit them they hit you twice. You hijack their plane they blow it up. They don't play.  They are literally surrounded by their enemy and yet they have survived. Do I agree with all they have done? No.  But there is a lot that I have to respect about them. 
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#204 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Israel is a mystery to me. I like how they don't play. You hit them they hit you twice. You hijack their plane they blow it up. They don't play.  They are literally surrounded by their enemy and yet they have survived. Do I agree with all they have done? No.  But there is a lot that I have to respect about them. 
 Absolutely correct Glenda .....Israel is a mystery as noone will ever know Y n for what they have been given extra place....n they have done many things which will off coarse never come up. Does all info about the enemy network is actually a hard work done by US .....or does Israel a step ahead in that? Who knows? Only knwn to thm who passes the bill......
#205 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Israel is a mystery to me. I like how they don't play. You hit them they hit you twice. You hijack their plane they blow it up. They don't play.  They are literally surrounded by their enemy and yet they have survived. Do I agree with all they have done? No.  But there is a lot that I have to respect about them. 
...... and a Palestinian Terrorist blows up a suicide a bomb in Israel killing 3 people and Israel retailiates by a sustained rocket attack for 3 days in a residential area killing 400 innocent civilians. There is a difference in retaliating against an act of terrorism and COMMITTING an act of terrorism yourself- which Israel DOES on a constant basis. This IS TERRORISM in every sense of the definition- yet our Government (who is in a War on Terrorism) condones their activities?  Simply mind blowing.....
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#206 | 1589 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
YER WRONG!! 





Don't reply to any of my comment again...because you sound like a racist to me,,
How do I sound like a racist?  Because I am an American and proud of it? You seem to want to be an extremist in my opinion.  The key word is "WANT TO".   You claim to speak the truth.  The Truth Of What??????
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#207 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
YER WRONG!! 





Don't reply to any of my comment again...because you sound like a racist to me,,
LOL- a racist?   How could she be a racist IF nobody knows who you are or what RACE you actually are?  That was a pretty bold and ignorant statement to say the least!  Sounded to me like she was defending HER COUNTRY - NOT attacking YOUR RACE (whatever that may be).
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#208 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Israel is a mystery to me. I like how they don't play. You hit them they hit you twice. You hijack their plane they blow it up. They don't play.  They are literally surrounded by their enemy and yet they have survived. Do I agree with all they have done? No.  But there is a lot that I have to respect about them. 
They can rely on "big brother USA" to help them. That's why.
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#209 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

vindog wrote:
LOL- a racist?   How could she be a racist IF nobody knows who you are or what RACE you actually are?  That was a pretty bold and ignorant statement to say the least!  Sounded to me like she was defending HER COUNTRY - NOT attacking YOUR RACE (whatever that may be).
It takes you one hour to think of what yer gonna say to me huh?? lol dats rediculous.
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#210 | 1589 days ago

murphyiv wrote:
They can rely on "big brother USA" to help them. That's why.
 The word "Brother" seems settle things in the right place.....after all there are loads which can go n on ....
#211 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I NOTICED DAT YOU PEOPLE...BEING RACIST AGAINST ANYONE WHO IS NOT AMERICAN...IN THIS SITE.





WELL...GUESS WHAT?? DATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN WITH ME...

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#212 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
...... and a Palestinian Terrorist blows up a suicide a bomb in Israel killing 3 people and Israel retailiates by a sustained rocket attack for 3 days in a residential area killing 400 innocent civilians. There is a difference in retaliating against an act of terrorism and COMMITTING an act of terrorism yourself- which Israel DOES on a constant basis. This IS TERRORISM in every sense of the definition- yet our Government (who is in a War on Terrorism) condones their activities?  Simply mind blowing.....
It is mind boggling to me the absolute disregard both sides seem to have for human life. And I'm sorry if you lose respect for me because I can see some of the reasoning behind what they do. 
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#213 | 1589 days ago

I can tell u all why. There's this thing that a lot of people believe. They believe that GOD is coming back to earth to build his castle in a barron area with no trees and very little water (which Israel says is theirs). It has been written that this must be done after the great war between good and evil. Now, why does the ALMIGHTY need to come back to earth?  Wouldn't that have to mean that he LEFT the world? If the ALMIGHTY left, there would be worse things to contend with. Why does the ALMIGHTY need to build on this infested and demolished rock? Man has sucked everything out of it except the things we haven't learned how to use yet. Because of that, America has vowed to make sure it stays "rocky and desolate" until the chosen people "Israelis"? rebuild and prepare for this major event. Now the if the ALMIGHTY is in heaven why build on earth? Now i will be told I committed "blasphemy". But I don't care, I am one with myself and am not worried about another human thinks about my beliefs, but shouldn't ANY person that believes they know anything, question that?

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#214 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
It takes you one hour to think of what yer gonna say to me huh?? lol dats rediculous.
 Sir you are taking on somebody you do not want to take on. You hide behind your avatar trying to be mysterious. You are not, and for you to call someone a racist is funny. You obviously do not like  Americans, but yet here you are.
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#215 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:

I NOTICED DAT YOU PEOPLE...BEING RACIST AGAINST ANYONE WHO IS NOT AMERICAN...IN THIS SITE.





WELL...GUESS WHAT?? DATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN WITH ME...

I do not have a problem with you and please do not judge all for a few. You have a right to this open forum as I do. Peace
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#216 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
I do not have a problem with you and please do not judge all for a few. You have a right to this open forum as I do. Peace
Sorry bro..
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#217 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:

I NOTICED DAT YOU PEOPLE...BEING RACIST AGAINST ANYONE WHO IS NOT AMERICAN...IN THIS SITE.





WELL...GUESS WHAT?? DATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN WITH ME...

 Tweto ... don't take things deeply, U will find ppl speaking that how proud they are for their country n now who is not proud of their country ...everybody, but still some echoes it several times to show how big patriot they are n they act as if they think the most abt. their country but when it comes to a small sacrifice then the Govt. becomes their victim.....the most big thing is how much proud you are in yourself?....take things generally.....don't go for attacking....just my advise
#218 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I understand dat some people here can't stand me..coz i'm not american or WHATEVER..well it's yer problem if yer a RACIST not mine.
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#219 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Som6 wrote:
 Tweto ... don't take things deeply, U will find ppl speaking that how proud they are for their country n now who is not proud of their country ...everybody, but still some echoes it several times to show how big patriot they are n they act as if they think the most abt. their country but when it comes to a small sacrifice then the Govt. becomes their victim.....the most big thing is how much proud you are in yourself?....take things generally.....don't go for attacking....just my advise
I'm not attacking anyone...I defend myself..
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#220 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
I understand dat some people here can't stand me..coz i'm not american or WHATEVER..well it's yer problem if yer a RACIST not mine.
I don't believe everyone is like that. I don't detest any other countries inhabitants and I am sure others here don't. A lot of people here feel they may need to defend America as you are defending yourself. Don't take it like that.
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#221 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
It is mind boggling to me the absolute disregard both sides seem to have for human life. And I'm sorry if you lose respect for me because I can see some of the reasoning behind what they do. 
 Hamas are supported by many Islamic countries directly or indirectly to break down Israel ..just 1 reason ....so they counters them in harsh way...no doubt innocent ppl pay the price, now thats what the pic. everywhere n this is no different ......
#222 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

murphyiv wrote:
I don't believe everyone is like that. I don't detest any other countries inhabitants and I am sure others here don't. A lot of people here feel they may need to defend America as you are defending yourself. Don't take it like that.

I know...dats why I said some people..I did not mean you or the good people here.

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#223 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
It takes you one hour to think of what yer gonna say to me huh?? lol dats rediculous.
LMMFAO!  hahahahahhha   NO   What is rediculous is that you actually THINK it took me an hour to figure out what I was going to say to you. In all actuallity- I had just read your comment and responded immediately AFTER I read it.....  Wow, you can't even walk away from the computer for a while without somebody thinking that the World revolves around them- get a life Bro!
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#224 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

(Edited by vindog)
tweto_coaino13 wrote:
I understand dat some people here can't stand me..coz i'm not american or WHATEVER..well it's yer problem if yer a RACIST not mine.
I didn't say what I did to you because you are not American or because I'm racist. I said what I did because your comment was COMPLETELY unfounded and YOU called somebody a racist who was merely defending her Country!  Personally, I could give two s%^ts about where you are from OR what Race you are- on this site (at least to me)- you have NO skin color or Race- you are simply a person behind a computer screen who made an ignorant comment!
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#225 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

vindog wrote:
LMMFAO!  hahahahahhha   NO   What is rediculous is that you actually THINK it took me an hour to figure out what I was going to say to you. In all actuallity- I had just read your comment and responded immediately AFTER I read it.....  Wow, you can't even walk away from the computer for a while without somebody thinking that the World revolves around them- get a life Bro!
hahahahahaha...very funny ,  yer a jok!
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#226 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

vindog wrote:
I didn't say what I did to you because you are not American or because I'm racist. I said what I did because your comment was COMPLETELY unfounded and YOU called somebody a racist who was merely defending her Country!  Personally, I could give two s%^ts about where you are from OR what Race you are- on this site (at least to me)- you have NO skin color or Race- you are simply a person behind a computer screen who made an ignorant comment!
no need to dat..coz i can do it for you..
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#227 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

AT LEAST I'M NOT AN UGLY  FAT PIG LIKE URSELF...

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#228 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
It is mind boggling to me the absolute disregard both sides seem to have for human life. And I'm sorry if you lose respect for me because I can see some of the reasoning behind what they do. 
I don't lose respect for you because of what you believe to be reasoning behind their retaliation. You are right- both sides have no regard for human life. I just don't support the WAY they go about retaliating and killing innocent civilians thats all.   I also don't agree with the Unites States undying support for a Country that has done NOTHING to help bring peace to a very unpeaceful region of the World! In fact, Israel is as much to blame for problems over there as are the other Middle Eastern Countries. Israel has committed just as many "terrorist acts" as the Palestinians have!
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#229 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:

AT LEAST I'M NOT AN UGLY  FAT PIG LIKE URSELF...

 Now that was very adult. You are a teen ager trying to play grown up. Please do not waste anymore of our time. 
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#230 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:

AT LEAST I'M NOT AN UGLY  FAT PIG LIKE URSELF...

where has this thread gone?
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#231 | 1589 days ago

and why am i missing it?
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#232 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Now that was very adult. You are a teen ager trying to play grown up. Please do not waste anymore of our time. 
ok...Grand-ma..
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#233 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 Ok so back to the original question of this poll. When is war called for? I believe to defend your country. and your way of life. If it be the way of life you choose, not one that's chosen for you. But does that give other countries the right to invade? I don't know, I shudder to think of some of the people throughout history  and what they would have accomplished if not stopped. 
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#234 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I believe dat no one should kill innocent people for oil...lol
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#235 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:

AT LEAST I'M NOT AN UGLY  FAT PIG LIKE URSELF...

...... Wow- that was mature! 
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#236 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

vindog wrote:
...... Wow- that was mature! 
I know..but thanx anyway..lol
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#237 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

 This is a public site...and if u don't like it we got two words for ya, SUCK IT! 
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#238 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

 this is an OLD ONE....and if u don't like it we got two words for ya, SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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#239 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I don't know...do u understand French?? I guess NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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#240 | 1589 days ago

No one likes war..however it is a lesser of 2 evils.....i support war when ever democracy in our country is threatened,our citizens are threatned,other people's freedoms are threatened and ask for our help....i say we stop helping those countries especialy in the Un that vote against us, are derogatory to us or our citizens, disrespect us ,or betray us.  Countries need to earn our respect and our dollars and our protection.
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#241 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Well...who is the one with not enough schooling now huh?? lol

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#242 | 1589 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 YES thats exactly where it went wrong. But hindsight is 20/20 and now innocent people are dying on all sides because of it. 
Bin Laden retaliated against us for withdrawing from the afg/ussr  war.....we supported him with weapons but not publicly..and he looked a tthat as lack of support.& deception. we had several chances to capture him in several presidencies,and didnt.... america has to be much more particular in who and why we support....Other countries need to earn our protection and prove they truly want democracy,not just our dollars,,because more than 3/4 of them (look at Un stats who vote against us) care nothing about the USA. i sat screw em,and concentrate on strengthing our own country and borders..and only when we are asked and the respect is there we help our true allies
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#243 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Look yer a woman in the age of my mum, and I really don't wanna hurt yer feelings..so plz stop replying..
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#244 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Bye!

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#245 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
Protecting yer country doesn't give you the right to kill innocent people. you think it was okay for Bush to kill innocent people just for OIL?? It's clear dat I know about the politics of yer country better than you know...
No it's clear you don't. You quote Lincoln and act like he was a peace-nic. Abe knew you have to fight for what is right..and guess what? It's still true today. Innocent people? Where are all these that are being killed? And hat about the innocent 3,000+ that died in 9/11? or is that something the USA deserved, according to you?
#246 | 1589 days ago

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
I did not ask anyone to agree with me..
Guess what..no one is agreeing with you...you are a 21 yr old with a slanted view against the USA.    You know nothing of current or historical value.  Rage on if you want...but you have no experience to validate your opinion.
#247 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

radiowave000 wrote:
No it's clear you don't. You quote Lincoln and act like he was a peace-nic. Abe knew you have to fight for what is right..and guess what? It's still true today. Innocent people? Where are all these that are being killed? And hat about the innocent 3,000+ that died in 9/11? or is that something the USA deserved, according to you?
I really hate to kind of defend this kid, but I think he was referring to us going into Iraq (hence the blood for Oil reference) who did not attack us on 9/11!  And many Americans actually believe that we are in Iraq for the wrong reason also. In fact, about 75% of our population believes that the invasion of Iraq was uncalled for. Other than that- feel free to blast away on him. 
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#248 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 Every time I think that Iraq was a mistake, and I believe it was. I remind myself that sometimes good things come from bad.

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#249 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

radiowave000 wrote:
Guess what..no one is agreeing with you...you are a 21 yr old with a slanted view against the USA.    You know nothing of current or historical value.  Rage on if you want...but you have no experience to validate your opinion.
you don't understand...this is an american site k? so I don't expect anyone to agree with coz I'm not american..dats all! lol and btw age doesn't matter dude...
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#250 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

On September 11th, 2001, the United States was attacked by a terrorist group led by a Saudi named Osama Bin Laden. In October of 2001, the U.S. wen't after these terrorists in Afghanistan- the Country to which this group of terrorists was a "home base" to .                        Here are comments made by (then) President G.W. Bush on the subject:         In 2001, George W. Bush said that he wanted Osama bin Laden "dead or alive." In 2002 Bush said "I truly am not that concerned about him."         What happened?  And why did the U.S. invade another Country in 2003 (Iraq) that had absolutely NOTHING to do with those terrorist attacks on 9/11?  
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#251 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Every time I think that Iraq was a mistake, and I believe it was. I remind myself that sometimes good things come from bad.

YEA..RITE!!!

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#252 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I really feel sorry for these people...

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#253 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

vindog wrote:
On September 11th, 2001, the United States was attacked by a terrorist group led by a Saudi named Osama Bin Laden. In October of 2001, the U.S. wen't after these terrorists in Afghanistan- the Country to which this group of terrorists was a "home base" to .                        Here are comments made by (then) President G.W. Bush on the subject:         In 2001, George W. Bush said that he wanted Osama bin Laden "dead or alive." In 2002 Bush said "I truly am not that concerned about him."         What happened?  And why did the U.S. invade another Country in 2003 (Iraq) that had absolutely NOTHING to do with those terrorist attacks on 9/11?  
 Because it was personal. Hussein put a price on his fathers head and he wanted revenge, and that is the reason I believe the U.S. invaded Iraq
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#254 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:

YEA..RITE!!!

 How many children did Saddam Hussein kill? How many Kurds? Do not and I mean do not push it. 
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#255 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

The American Governement are guilty of sheedding innocent blood in Iraq. God did not give us our freedom so we could commit evil. America is guilty of more than it's share of human rights abuses, and yet America stick it nose into every other nation's business. 

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#256 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

I feel sorry for these victims too, but Iraq had NOTHING to do with it- period!  We have completely lost our focus as Americans in this "War on Terror", and the ACTUAL PERPETRATORS of this heinous crime are STILL alive and well and NOT living in Iraq!  That was the point of my statement!   Osama Bin Laden's head should be on a f^&king stick right now (especially 9 years LATER)- but it's not- and we are STILL losing American lives!
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#257 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

To make matters even worse, America has contaminated Iraq with tons of deadly DU (Depleted Uranium). Do you have any idea how dangerous Depleted Uranium is to a person's health, specially a child?
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#258 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 Because it was personal. Hussein put a price on his fathers head and he wanted revenge, and that is the reason I believe the U.S. invaded Iraq
That's a very possible senerio and very believeable as well. However, I think it goes much deeper than that- and that "deepness" has to do with LOTS AND LOTS of money!
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#259 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

I don't thinnk dat you see pics of it..don't u?
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#260 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

Our freedom gives us the right to be wrong..not to do wrong. Liberty gives us the freedom to make our own decisions..but freedom is a result of making the right decisions.
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#261 | 1589 days ago
vindog (+)

There is no evidence what-so-ever to support that Iraq was harboring terrorists (during that time), AND that WAS NOT even the "reason" given to the American people to sell this "invasion". Remember, Saddam allegedly had WMD's- which was proven later to be completely untrue! And you are right- Afghanistan was 'harboring terrorists"- hence why the U.S. went after Bin Laden in Afghanistan- that WAS the correct move!   The war in Iraq WAS NOT a necessity and Iraq WAS NOT an imminent threat to the U.S.- which of course- Bush and Cheney forced fed this Country to justify their "personal war" against Iraq!  BTW- I'm not upset about your opinions, everybody is entitled to their own opinions- and I CAPITALIZE words when I write merely to stress that word- not because I am yelling or mad.....
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#262 | 1589 days ago
JRSFLAME88 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
I don't thinnk dat you see pics of it..don't u?

SHUT IT! You change your profile daily. You were from Afganistan yesterday. You are obviously here to cause trouble so just go away! The people (excluding you) are trying to have a debate that they have knowledge of. What you are doing is against the rules of this site!

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#263 | 1589 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

JRSFLAME88 wrote:

SHUT IT! You change your profile daily. You were from Afganistan yesterday. You are obviously here to cause trouble so just go away! The people (excluding you) are trying to have a debate that they have knowledge of. What you are doing is against the rules of this site!

Do u understand English?? I've already told ya not to reply any of my comments again..I'm sorry but yer too stupid for having a conversation with me..





and btw..it's my profile and I can change it whenever I like..
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#264 | 1589 days ago

vindog wrote:
There is no evidence what-so-ever to support that Iraq was harboring terrorists (during that time), AND that WAS NOT even the "reason" given to the American people to sell this "invasion". Remember, Saddam allegedly had WMD's- which was proven later to be completely untrue! And you are right- Afghanistan was 'harboring terrorists"- hence why the U.S. went after Bin Laden in Afghanistan- that WAS the correct move!   The war in Iraq WAS NOT a necessity and Iraq WAS NOT an imminent threat to the U.S.- which of course- Bush and Cheney forced fed this Country to justify their "personal war" against Iraq!  BTW- I'm not upset about your opinions, everybody is entitled to their own opinions- and I CAPITALIZE words when I write merely to stress that word- not because I am yelling or mad.....
Iraq repeatedly denied the UN opportunity to inspect for WMD's
They invaded Kuwait in 1990 to get those sanctions ...let's not totally forget history as we blame the US and Bush for everything
#265 | 1589 days ago

vindog wrote:
I feel sorry for these victims too, but Iraq had NOTHING to do with it- period!  We have completely lost our focus as Americans in this "War on Terror", and the ACTUAL PERPETRATORS of this heinous crime are STILL alive and well and NOT living in Iraq!  That was the point of my statement!   Osama Bin Laden's head should be on a f^&king stick right now (especially 9 years LATER)- but it's not- and we are STILL losing American lives!
You seem to be totally sure iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or anything...do you know something that other Americans don't?
Or are you just spouting the typical anti-US propaganda?
#266 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 Although i understand your point, I do not believe that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11.  Oil was one of the main reasons for Iraq. And honestly had George W. been a democrat I would NOT have voted for him. You cannot own oil and that powers that come with it, and mix it trying to run this country. It is a conflict of interest at best. And yes I know they no longer own oil. Bull anyone who owns oil always will. You do Not give up owning oil. 
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#267 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

radiowave000 wrote:
Iraq repeatedly denied the UN opportunity to inspect for WMD's
They invaded Kuwait in 1990 to get those sanctions ...let's not totally forget history as we blame the US and Bush for everything
 I have not forgotten that, I promise. And yes it seems to be the sane thing to do we dont have them come in and look. But he didnt he blocked every opportunity handed him. Bottom line he didn't have any. And never once was there a stitch of evidence tying him to 9/11
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#268 | 1589 days ago
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radiowave000 wrote:
Iraq repeatedly denied the UN opportunity to inspect for WMD's
They invaded Kuwait in 1990 to get those sanctions ...let's not totally forget history as we blame the US and Bush for everything
I'm not forgetting history or denying those facts! I am however saying that those things you just stated WERE NOT the REASON for the invasion after 9/11!   Nor did Iraq have ANYTHING to do with 9/11- which Bush and Cheney BOTH implied in their "selling" of the invasion. The TRUE enemy was and is Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist organization- yet they are (as of now) stronger than ever as per reports from our own Intelligence Agencies!  Now, was Saddam Hussein a bad man? Of course he was and he DID commit heinous acts against his own people- BUT- he was NOT an imminent threat to the U.S., nor was it necessary to attack Iraq while we were involved in another "war" in another Country! IF this Country would have concentrated it's forces and efforts in Afghanistan back in 2001 and possibly sent those 150,000 troops to Afghanistan instead of Iraq, I would venture to say that Bin Laden would be DEAD- his Organization would have been completely crushed- and our Brave Troops would be HOME watching March Madness and eating Pizza TODAY!    I'm not blaming the U.S. at all- I'm blaming those individuals who actually "pulled the trigger" on Iraq- and that WOULD be Former President Bush and Former Vice President Cheney!
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#269 | 1589 days ago
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radiowave000 wrote:
You seem to be totally sure iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or anything...do you know something that other Americans don't?
Or are you just spouting the typical anti-US propaganda?

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/0231new.htm      Here is description of my previous job for 12 years while I fought for this Country- so take from it what you want!      I AM NOT Anti- American- nor am I spouting Anti- US propaganda! I actually KNOW what the f%^k I am talking about- unlike MOST of the people on this site! Military Intelligence was MY JOB from 1984-1996 and I was actually in Kuwait interrogating prisoners when people like you were watching the "shock and awe" on your television sets! I have no problems discussing certain things (that I am allowed to discuss) or even debating those things- but I will NOT STAND to be insulted for my truthfulness and/or Patriotism either!

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#270 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Well he was tried for crimes against his country and he was executed. But his own people could have done this and asked for our help, we would have helped. And yes din dong the dictator is dead. And I for one am very happy about it. I like you you are going to fit right in.  
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#271 | 1589 days ago

After a whole damn of conversation I will finally say that if we(all who took part in this debate) can't come to a sort of understanding regarding war then how we can expect there will be such miracle in countries....after all we ppl r in it.......nobody wants war (invading another nation).....its them who brought 9/11, UK metro blast, Madrid bombing, Mumbai havoc and many many so to create an atmosphere of war. Now its depend on us that we will go to blame each other n show power or keep our unity to bring down this evil. 



#272 | 1589 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Som6 wrote:
After a whole damn of conversation I will finally say that if we(all who took part in this debate) can't come to a sort of understanding regarding war then how we can expect there will be such miracle in countries....after all we ppl r in it.......nobody wants war (invading another nation).....its them who brought 9/11, UK metro blast, Madrid bombing, Mumbai havoc and many many so to create an atmosphere of war. Now its depend on us that we will go to blame each other n show power or keep our unity to bring down this evil. 



 We all want peace on Earth Som, and yet hate our neighbor. It makes no sense to me at all. John Lennon said it best, Imagine. 
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#273 | 1588 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 We all want peace on Earth Som, and yet hate our neighbor. It makes no sense to me at all. John Lennon said it best, Imagine. 
The question with human is ..... we were given wisdom by the Almighty, hoping that we will use it for the propagation of good.
Of course that was an idealic hope..... when the prince of darkness took advantage of humans weaknesses like greed, pride, and moral decay .... we immediately jump into it. (hoping that we get the bulk of the loot)
What I can say is ... we are brothers and sisters no matter what we think, we decended from a common root and if we continue killing each other WE will all suffer the same fate.
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#274 | 1588 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
 We all want peace on Earth Som, and yet hate our neighbor. It makes no sense to me at all. John Lennon said it best, Imagine. 
 100% correct Glenda...we can't tolerate simple things of our neighbors n starts foul language to each other n Y neighbors we can even see it here in Q too, a character very similar to animals n yet we judge others......a real joke.....we after all look for our own benefit personally or nationally n try to show I am right n u r wrong ....who will come n judge it neutrally.....any human can do??.. his nationality will come into question in that case...so then God will decide??... but that will be after fate.......may be some day the last decision will also be taken of "World Govt." to bring every nation into neutral position of discussing all facts..no secrets  ...but will that be able to solve or will that "no secret" issue will maintain??...never ever.....the question will remain as question forever.....
#275 | 1588 days ago

Welcome young lady but I beg to differ. Did you miss the post that Bush admitted that Bin-laden had nothing to do with 9/11? They weren't even looking for him. That is just smoke and mirrors. Now you have to understand that war is business. They took over Iraq for global positioning. You see there is a push for resources that are limited. If you look at the positioning, we are closing in on Russia and China. If we get the position in Sudan and get that Oil from China, you'll see some real bad rhetoric coming from both sides. When that Shield was suppose to be built in http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20080520172217AAhusqS&ei=ATGrS6ufEIWdlgeeyqzIDg&sa=X&oi=forum_cluster&resnum=3&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA0QrAIoADAC&usg=AFQjCNH4N95HJNuplq5A7e9bssxViFMMtQ">Checkoslovakia, Russia was livid because it is facing them. They took it as a precursor to war. So that would make the already strong allies, stronger. He who has the Oil, the other resources can push for a better outcome of the war to come. Also, Bin-laden was let through to Pakistan on purpose. How come we have drones killing people that is suppose to be extremists (which we will never know because we get our news from the very same people that slander the President and any other force that questions their new sources) But we can't locate a 6 foot tall diabetic? Follow the supplies. So don't fall for the Bin-laden did this thing.

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#276 | 1588 days ago

BTW we are harboring terrorist also, but it seems to be ok when we break rules and don't DECLARE WAR  and follow charter.
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#277 | 1588 days ago

Som6 wrote:
After a whole damn of conversation I will finally say that if we(all who took part in this debate) can't come to a sort of understanding regarding war then how we can expect there will be such miracle in countries....after all we ppl r in it.......nobody wants war (invading another nation).....its them who brought 9/11, UK metro blast, Madrid bombing, Mumbai havoc and many many so to create an atmosphere of war. Now its depend on us that we will go to blame each other n show power or keep our unity to bring down this evil. 



That can't be achieved my friend do to all the MISINFORMATION that is purposely put out. I know where this is going and it won't stop with Afganistan, Iraq, Iran...Total control of the world is the mission. New World Order, simply stated. All we can do is learn more from each other. I did the research and I passed it on.
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#278 | 1588 days ago
ArmyStrong212 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
USA should pull back from Afghanistan before it's too late.
Before its to late???
WTF do you mean by that???
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#279 | 1588 days ago
ArmyStrong212 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
It takes you one hour to think of what yer gonna say to me huh?? lol dats rediculous.
No jackass some of us in america have to work for a living!!!
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#280 | 1588 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

ArmyStrong212 wrote:
Before its to late???
WTF do you mean by that???
 Lmao, I was hoping you would see that one.
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#281 | 1588 days ago
ArmyStrong212 (+)

tweto_coaino13 wrote:
Look yer a woman in the age of my mum, and I really don't wanna hurt yer feelings..so plz stop replying..
There is nothing you can possibly say about cowboylady... for a 40 year old, she is pretty damn good looking. And of course i don't know here personally so i cant say anything about how smart she is or anything of that sort. But i will bet my last dollar she is smarter than your dumb a$$!!!
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#282 | 1588 days ago
ArmyStrong212 (+)

People,

Tweto is just upset because he know the truth about the USA. Our military is far more superior and on june 12th, England is going to get there a$$ whipped by the USA in the world cup!!!
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#283 | 1588 days ago
tweto_coaino13 (+)

So...It's yer turn now huh?
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#284 | 1588 days ago