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Stoney's Thirst For Knowledge (Season Premiere)

Welcome to the first and possibly last installment of my thirst for knoledge. I'm trying to kill some time, and something popped into my head and I figured I'd ask this collective group of a$$h*les for their opinion.
Today's topic: Free Will
My question for today is in your opinion, does free will exist? People involved in organized religion always talk about how things happen because that is God's will or plan. If that's the case, doesn't that take away from a person's personal responsibility in society? Have you ever wondered what it's like to be proud of the things that YOU have done that may have lead you to being successful in something? At the same time, is there a sense when circumstances of what you have done have led to something bad or even terrible happening where you don't feel regret because that is what God wanted to happen?
This even goes along with fate, destiny and coincidence.. How do these interact with each other to shape our views on things that happen that can or can't be explained? And how often do we fail to take a look at finding out why something just because calling it fate is easy and storybook-like?
Alright so maybe there was more than one question today
I'm very curious.. And if God sees fit, I may continue this poll in the future

| Closed on 05/23/10 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | Locker Room, Miscellaneous | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll

23 Fans
30%	a. I think ______
9%	b. Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
17%	c. I'm selfish and I want the credit
17%	d. I don't want to use my brain, it's Sunday
9%	e. Nascar's on
17%	f. No Comment

	&nbp;
TOP COMMENT
#24 \| 1104 days ago kteacher (+)	First I do believe in God. I experienced too many events before and after my dad died to NOT believe he exists. However, I don't believe God has any power in what we all do with our lives. His gift to us was life and free will, and I believe he/she wanted us to do the best we could with it. I have a hard time listening to people say, "It was God's will." My dad and several other loved ones got sick and died. I don't think God had any say on the matter, just as I don't think God has any say on whether or not someone wins a Grammy, an Oscar, a professional sport championship, or survives an illness many others die from. I'm selfish and I want the credit
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#1 \| 1104 days ago Mr_Rogers (+)	(Edited by hskrdave) Everyone says that God has a plan for us, and if Gods plan was for me to post a message on Stoneys "thirst for knowledge" thread...on my birthday, then his plan sucks b*lls! (edited for language. hskrdave)
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#2 \| 1104 days ago ChristiSunshine (+)	I think free will/God's plan both exist and interact in ways that we are unable to/are not supposed to understand.
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#3 \| 1104 days ago kobe_lova (+)	Mr_Rogers wrote: Everyone says that God has a plan for us, and if Gods plan was for me to post a message on Stoneys "thirst for knowledge" thread...on my birthday, then his plan sucks b*lls! (edited for language. hskrdave) I KNEW IT WAS SOMEONE'S BIRTHDAY TODAY!! (couldnt remember who though). Happy Birthday, fraiiiind! Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
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#4 \| 1104 days ago kobe_lova (+)	Im more of a "whatever happens, happens" person. i dont attribute most things to fate or destiny, though there are people i think are "destined" to be together, but thats rare and biased, i think. Free will has never made any sense to me though, since we were created in his image but according to the church, all i do is disappoint. If God wanted me to be behave a certain way and i'm created in his image, then he should've just made it where i was unable to do things that are disappointing to him. Free will be damned. But, i grew up in church and have no problem with having faith in some higher being. First thing i did when i knew i was having a baby was pray for a happy, healthy kid. Whether i was talking to Jesus or encouraging myself, she's happy and healthy. Was that God's will? Who knows, technically, I dont care. (remember, i'm very comfortable on that fence) Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
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#5 \| 1104 days ago The_Real_Stoney (+)	Mr_Rogers wrote: Everyone says that God has a plan for us, and if Gods plan was for me to post a message on Stoneys "thirst for knowledge" thread...on my birthday, then his plan sucks b*lls! (edited for language. hskrdave) agreed.. and happy birthday I'm selfish and I want the credit
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#6 \| 1104 days ago vindog (+)	My opinion? There is NO God! We make our OWN decisions- whether they be good or bad. I think ______
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#7 \| 1104 days ago JenX63 (+)	why you want to make me philosophical on Sunday...hers my 4 cents worth....we are all responsible for ourselves, too many people want to pass the buck, what goes around comes around, for every action there is a rection whether it is good or bad. I believe in a higher power, cause if you look around this world, there are some beautiful things, people who live in ugly places and yet still find beauty and a smile on their faces...have i caused some s**t in my life, well hell yeah, was it on purpose?, maybe, have I paid for that, yes, it's what i do next that's important, have i learned OH YEAH. I am a BIG believer that people come into your life for a reason, how long they stay is dependent on what your suppose to learn from one another, to me life's just one big school of learning..... I think ______
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#8 \| 1104 days ago Onegoodredhead2 (+)	Mr_Rogers wrote: Everyone says that God has a plan for us, and if Gods plan was for me to post a message on Stoneys "thirst for knowledge" thread...on my birthday, then his plan sucks b*lls! (edited for language. hskrdave) wow! In my VERY best Marylin.....Happpy birthday Mr. Presiden...ooppss I mean Mr rogers....Happy Birthday to you!! (you share a bday with Billy Cobham!!,but i didnt sing to him, jus ttold him i was drummin up a great day for him,,,he laughed and thanked me..aww:) )
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#9 \| 1104 days ago Onegoodredhead2 (+)	I believe we are all given free will...(imho)....We learn right from wrong, decision making,and infuse it into our lives,We all possess the power to change our lives....we are in charge of most things in our life.. I do believe we do not have control over certain things though. When its our time to leave this world ,it usually is not from free will.... there are things we have no control over...IE: weather, disasters, people leaving us, et el....however we do have control over our life and the decisions we make and our success& consequences.Do we get knocked down at times? certainly,,do we choose those painful lessons? No...(not consciously at least) We wake up every day with the free will to decide if we will be happy or not....Yes , I most certainly believe in free will:) It boils down what we choose to do with it:)
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#10 \| 1104 days ago vindog (+)	I think ______
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#11 \| 1104 days ago coyotedances (+)	(Edited by coyotedances) I exercise my free will and resist posting my opinion on this subject enjoy ur day! No Comment
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#12 \| 1104 days ago noti4 (+)	I BELIEVE IN FREE WILL, I WANT WHAT I WANT, MY PARENTS GIVE THE EDUCATION TO HOW TAKE MY OWN DECISION , IF THEY ARE WRIGTH OR BAD, IS MINE.- I think ______
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#13 \| 1104 days ago marcus_nyce (+)	I love the randomness of being, but that doesn't rule out a predestined pattern that probably can't (or shouldn't) be altered. Things don't happen for a reason just because it's hard for us to reason what happened, good or bad. I think ______
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#14 \| 1104 days ago kobe_lova (+)	marcus_nyce wrote: I love the randomness of being, but that doesn't rule out a predestined pattern that probably can't (or shouldn't) be altered. Things don't happen for a reason just because it's hard for us to reason what happened, good or bad. Things don't happen for a reason just because it's hard for us to reason what happened, good or bad. who, say what? Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
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#15 \| 1104 days ago ChristiSunshine (+)
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#16 \| 1104 days ago marcus_nyce (+)	kobe_lova wrote: Things don't happen for a reason just because it's hard for us to reason what happened, good or bad. who, say what? See... it just happened. lol I think ______
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#17 \| 1104 days ago cuddles127017 (+)	Sorry, i have not been up long enough to make heads or tails out of this, but believe me i got an answer buried somewhere in this febble mind of mine. I don't want to use my brain, it's Sunday
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#18 \| 1104 days ago food_man56 (+)	God does have a plan for us. He knows what we are going to do. But we have the choice of what paths we follow. We do have free will. As all parents know, our children are gonna fall down and hurt themselves. If possible we would catch them and keep them from hurting themselves. But we also know that falling down is how kids learn. Same thing for teens and adults. We make choices that sometimes cause hurt and pain for ourselves and others. Because God has given us free will and the ability to make choices, both right and wrong, we get hurt. Hopefully though we learn from those mistakes and then follow God's will for our lives. Just because God knows what we are going to do doesn't mean he controls our lives. We make those decisions.
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#19 \| 1104 days ago VIOLET (+)	We all know what's right or wrong and we decide the way we want to follow, the hard part is when we have to be responsible for our bad actions, that's when we are not that happy.
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#20 \| 1104 days ago The_Real_Stoney (+)	And the reason I bring this up is just like I see in some of the comments. People believe in the idea of free will in relation to bad things happening. What about good things? What about a person who isn't genetically gifted to do something but puts in hours and hours and years of hard work and dedication to make themselves better to achieve a goal? They made that choice to do something about their situation and not allow their shortcomings control where their life would lead.. Shouldn't they be given the credit for making that happen? Personally, I like the idea that the world is chaotic and it's up to individuals to determine how things play out I'm selfish and I want the credit
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#21 \| 1104 days ago Onegoodredhead2 (+)	The_Real_Stoney wrote: And the reason I bring this up is just like I see in some of the comments. People believe in the idea of free will in relation to bad things happening. What about good things? What about a person who isn't genetically gifted to do something but puts in hours and hours and years of hard work and dedication to make themselves better to achieve a goal? They made that choice to do something about their situation and not allow their shortcomings control where their life would lead.. Shouldn't they be given the credit for making that happen? Personally, I like the idea that the world is chaotic and it's up to individuals to determine how things play out hmmm did you read my comment?
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#22 \| 1104 days ago janet011685 (+)	Admittedly, I'm not in the mood to be very philosophical at the moment. Long day ... hell, long weekend. But I digress. My shortened, bare-bones version of what I think on this matter... I think everyone has free will ... good, bad, or indifferent. I believe there is a God, although I don't subscribe to any organized religions (because, quite frankly, I think almost all of them are bullsh*t), and I think that, while God is all-powerful and CAN interfere in whatever he'd like, he doesn't. We were given free-will for a reason. This is why there are all types of people in this world.
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#23 \| 1104 days ago The_Real_Stoney (+)	Onegoodredhead2 wrote: hmmm did you read my comment? yep I'm selfish and I want the credit
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#24 \| 1104 days ago kteacher (+)	First I do believe in God. I experienced too many events before and after my dad died to NOT believe he exists. However, I don't believe God has any power in what we all do with our lives. His gift to us was life and free will, and I believe he/she wanted us to do the best we could with it. I have a hard time listening to people say, "It was God's will." My dad and several other loved ones got sick and died. I don't think God had any say on the matter, just as I don't think God has any say on whether or not someone wins a Grammy, an Oscar, a professional sport championship, or survives an illness many others die from. I'm selfish and I want the credit
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#25 \| 1103 days ago JenX63 (+)	The_Real_Stoney wrote: And the reason I bring this up is just like I see in some of the comments. People believe in the idea of free will in relation to bad things happening. What about good things? What about a person who isn't genetically gifted to do something but puts in hours and hours and years of hard work and dedication to make themselves better to achieve a goal? They made that choice to do something about their situation and not allow their shortcomings control where their life would lead.. Shouldn't they be given the credit for making that happen? Personally, I like the idea that the world is chaotic and it's up to individuals to determine how things play out if you work hard and get to where you want to be, yes you should get the credit, all of it, since you are the one that worked for it.. I went to school and got good grades, i graduated college, I want the credit for it, and believe me I take it...God didn't do my homework or take my tests, I DID...I get the credit for that as should anyone.... I think ______
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#26 \| 1103 days ago JenX63 (+)	vindog wrote: My opinion? There is NO God! We make our OWN decisions- whether they be good or bad. You really don't believe in God or a higher power? I think ______
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#27 \| 1103 days ago vindog (+)	JenX63 wrote: You really don't believe in God or a higher power? NOPE! I think ______
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#28 \| 1103 days ago JenX63 (+)	vindog wrote: NOPE! OK you don't have to yell at me..or were you emphasing the point. I was just curious is all. I think ______
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#29 \| 1103 days ago kobe_lova (+)	JenX63 wrote: OK you don't have to yell at me..or were you emphasing the point. I was just curious is all. hahaha...that's not him yelling. LOL Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
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#30 \| 1103 days ago JenX63 (+)	kobe_lova wrote: hahaha...that's not him yelling. LOL Ahhh ok..... I think ______
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#31 \| 1103 days ago vindog (+)	JenX63 wrote: OK you don't have to yell at me..or were you emphasing the point. I was just curious is all. NOPE- not yelling- just stressing the word..... It's O.K. to be curious- I've got nothing to hide and am honest about EVERYTHING! Ask away...... I think ______
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#32 \| 1103 days ago food_man56 (+)	vindog wrote: NOPE- not yelling- just stressing the word..... It's O.K. to be curious- I've got nothing to hide and am honest about EVERYTHING! Ask away...... What percent of knowledge of the universe do you possess?
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#33 \| 1103 days ago vindog (+)	food_man56 wrote: What percent of knowledge of the universe do you possess? About as much as you do! I think ______
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#34 \| 1103 days ago Drummer99 (+)	(Edited by Drummer99) This probably doesn't touch on your question much. Maybe it will, not sure. I believe there is "Free Will", what you do with that free will is whats important. God got the, lets say domino's falling first. The domino effect, and some parts of life were predestined, some can be changed. I didn't decipher all of what you said, so, my answer might seem off subject a bit. Also, I believe some things can be changed with prayer, but, faith is important, the brain is tricky, it will always doubt at some point with faith. Never give up though. All IMHO. Something else to ponder, that's not directly related. Where is the end of space? uh, correct, there IS NO end of space. hundreds of millions of galaxies, it NEVER ends? .... no......I say to that, wow. Complex, very complex. I think ______
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#35 \| 1102 days ago kobe_lova (+)	Whoooooosh! Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
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#36 \| 1102 days ago food_man56 (+)	vindog wrote: About as much as you do! Which is very little. So knowing that there is more out there that we don't know than what we do know, How do you know there is no God? What evidence do you possess to make that determination?
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#37 \| 1102 days ago kobe_lova (+)	food_man56 wrote: Which is very little. So knowing that there is more out there that we don't know than what we do know, How do you know there is no God? What evidence do you possess to make that determination? it's not about evidence, it's about faith or lack thereof...also, there is no tangible evidence that God exists, so how did you make that determination? based on what was instilled in you, i bet. Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
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#38 \| 1102 days ago vindog (+)	food_man56 wrote: Which is very little. So knowing that there is more out there that we don't know than what we do know, How do you know there is no God? What evidence do you possess to make that determination? And what evidence do you possess that there actually IS a God? YOU Sir are no more right or wrong than I am- are you? I didn't come on this poll to debate my beliefs- I merely gave my opinion on a poll that CLEARLY asked for people's opinions! I think ______
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#39 \| 1102 days ago food_man56 (+)	kobe_lova wrote: it's not about evidence, it's about faith or lack thereof...also, there is no tangible evidence that God exists, so how did you make that determination? based on what was instilled in you, i bet. Yes that had a part, but more importantly it's what I see everyday. The miracle of conception and birth, the perfect alignment of the earth at just the right distance from the sun, the consistent rising and setting of the sun, the miracles of healing and the relief of death. The list is long. You just got to know that some things just don't happen.
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#40 \| 1102 days ago Drummer99 (+)	(Edited by Drummer99) food_man56 wrote: Yes that had a part, but more importantly it's what I see everyday. The miracle of conception and birth, the perfect alignment of the earth at just the right distance from the sun, the consistent rising and setting of the sun, the miracles of healing and the relief of death. The list is long. You just got to know that some things just don't happen. I don't want to get involved in this, but, I will add, this debate has been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years, it won't be settled today or 10 years from now, ....unless the end comes. When I was an Atheist as a teenager, I always wanted proof, wheres the proof? its mans words, (So I thought) It took an Agnostic, of all ppl, to (in a round about way) prove God to me, (Or he at least got me thinking) he said there IS something out there, I don't know what, but, SOMEBODY or SOMETHING has to be driving this big universe wheel, there is NOWAY this is all by accident, its to big and to many coincidences. I went home, thought of those words over and over, within a few days I became a believer, and the rest is history. I think ______
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#41 \| 1102 days ago food_man56 (+)	vindog wrote: And what evidence do you possess that there actually IS a God? YOU Sir are no more right or wrong than I am- are you? I didn't come on this poll to debate my beliefs- I merely gave my opinion on a poll that CLEARLY asked for people's opinions! Right and Wrong has a lot to do with this. But we will not persuade each other of our faith or lack thereof. We all will gain the knowledge of this conversation when we discontinue our lives on this earth.
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#42 \| 1100 days ago murphyiv (+)	vindog wrote: About as much as you do! Funnnnnyyyyyy
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#43 \| 1100 days ago murphyiv (+)	Of course there is free will. We are all free to mess up our lives or to better it. I have researched practically everything. Quantum Physics and Electromagnetic energy amazes me the most. The mere fact that our body consist of so much fluid and tissue, yet it harnesses electricity inside it. Something definitely put this all together. Our souls are energy and just doesn't dissipate. Energy exist through out the universe therefore making me believe we have to exist some where esle when we pass on. I have sooo many questions for the creator/creators, which is why I often live by the rules placed already inside my mind. We all know when we do something wrong, we either listen to it or fall deaf to it's existence.
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#44 \| 1099 days ago jasonwrites (+)	I am one of those who believe fate and free will co-exist without any conflict, though some may see that as a conflict. I see we mortals and God as existing on completely separate planes, though His encompasses ours, yet ours does not intersect His, at least not until after death... So while we are bound by time, and we make our own choices within it, God exists beyond linear time, and so He has knowledge of all events that we cannot, because on that plane there is no past, present, or future... does that make sense? I think ______
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#45 \| 1098 days ago Drummer99 (+)	Another point of view I have on this. Ok, I believe we have a free will, so God will see what we do with it. As most religions teach, *we will be judged one day. And its not the religion as much as it is God, the religion is a way you choose to worship him. ppl don't worship religion, ppl worship God. Now, If we didn't have a free will, God would just have wind up dolls walking around doing what he says to do. That's a big waste of his time. In other words, why bother? The free will is to see, will you decide to do good? or... bad. He watches, doesn't seem like it does? of course not, if he showed up, you'd have to change your underwear about 300 times, AND you'd do whatever he says. Thats not a free will, thats being good from fear. Right now in this age, (According to Bible scholars and those that read the Bible more often than me) we're in the phase of separating the sheep from the goats*. As you may have guessed, the goats are the bad ones, as in bad choices, bad ppl, used their free will in the wrong ways. Hence, he wants to see which you choose, so, you're given a free will, but, he has rules, so, those that choose to be good or tried harder than others, get the reward, or rewards. I think ______
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#46 \| 1098 days ago murphyiv (+)	jasonwrites wrote: I am one of those who believe fate and free will co-exist without any conflict, though some may see that as a conflict. I see we mortals and God as existing on completely separate planes, though His encompasses ours, yet ours does not intersect His, at least not until after death... So while we are bound by time, and we make our own choices within it, God exists beyond linear time, and so He has knowledge of all events that we cannot, because on that plane there is no past, present, or future... does that make sense? Complete sense to me.
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#47 \| 1097 days ago janet011685 (+)	jasonwrites wrote: I am one of those who believe fate and free will co-exist without any conflict, though some may see that as a conflict. I see we mortals and God as existing on completely separate planes, though His encompasses ours, yet ours does not intersect His, at least not until after death... So while we are bound by time, and we make our own choices within it, God exists beyond linear time, and so He has knowledge of all events that we cannot, because on that plane there is no past, present, or future... does that make sense? In a very SyFy Channel special kind of way, yes. I dig it.
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#	Name	FanIQ	Answer (Red= You Disagreed)
23	richard_cranium 05/21/2010 11:11PM		I don't want to use my brain, it's Sunday
22	jasonwrites 05/21/2010 11:11PM		I think ______
21	Jahiegel 05/21/2010 08:16PM		I'm selfish and I want the credit
20	Fatal 05/20/2010 10:35AM		Nascar's on
19	Drummer99 05/17/2010 11:48PM		I think ______
18	Lobotomy Jones 05/17/2010 12:01PM		No Comment
17	ukcatfan383 05/17/2010 08:08AM		No Comment
16	kteacher 05/16/2010 10:27PM		I'm selfish and I want the credit
15	cuddles127017 05/16/2010 08:06PM		I don't want to use my brain, it's Sunday
14	icfeet 05/16/2010 07:37PM		I think ______
13	G Money 05/16/2010 06:52PM		I don't want to use my brain, it's Sunday
12	kramer 05/16/2010 06:33PM		I don't want to use my brain, it's Sunday
11	Anthonyg7575 05/16/2010 06:19PM		Nascar's on
10	noti4 05/16/2010 05:21PM		I think ______
9	woody050681 05/16/2010 05:10PM		I'm selfish and I want the credit
8	coyotedances 05/16/2010 05:03PM		No Comment
7	marcus_nyce 05/16/2010 04:51PM		I think ______
6	JenX63 05/16/2010 03:05PM		I think ______
5	vindog 05/16/2010 03:02PM		I think ______
4	Chief_aka_James 05/16/2010 02:53PM		No Comment
3	The_Real_Stoney 05/16/2010 02:44PM		I'm selfish and I want the credit
2	Jmelou29 05/16/2010 02:28PM		Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered
1	kobe_lova 05/16/2010 02:23PM		Jesus take the wheel, I'm hammered