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Rays look to 1000 innings from starting pitchers
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 I knew about this 1000 innings goal for the Rays starting pitchers before the start of the season. I thought it very interesting and somewhat disagreed with it.
Two hundred innings per starter means two things: if you used only the starting five you rode into April with,  then they are probably gassed even though you probably won a LOT of ballgames.
What good is making the post-season if your starting arms are dead?
I have noticed that even Maddon seems to be pressing to reach this goal, taking starters out at the 100 pitch mark, even if they are cruising.
Would you WANT your team to accomplish this goal?
Featured by: kantwistaye at 5/30/10 7:53PM
Scored by Scott on 10/03/10 at 04:53AM | Closed on 06/23/10 at 03:30AM
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Players:  David Price | James Shields | Matt Garza | Joe Maddon | Jeff Niemann | Wade Davis
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Correct Answer17 Fans 
  1. Will the Rays starting pitchers (any starters innings count) record 1000 innings or more in the 2010 season? (2 points)
Correct29%a. Yes
71%b. No
  2. How many innings will Rays starting pitchers record in the 2010 regular season? (8 points)
0%a. 918 or less
6%b. 918 1/3 - 940
18%c. 940 1/3 - 962
41%d. 962 1/3 - 984
18%e. 984 1/3 - 1006
Correct18%f. more than 1006
  3. How many different starting pitchers will the Rays use in 2010? (8 points)
0%a. 5
12%b. 6
Correct47%c. 7
29%d. 8
6%e. 9
6%f. 10 or more
  4. Would you WANT your favorite team to accomplish the goal of 1000 starting pitcher innings? Explain. (0 points)
Correct47%a. Yes
Correct53%b. No
  Tiebreaker: Where will the Rays starting pitchers rank (out of all 30 MLB teams) in innings pitched?
Correct 4

  
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#1 | 1586 days ago

 As a Brewers fan, I'm on the other end.  Our starters aren't getting nearly enough innings and our bullpen is already gassed.  Its tough to now where the happy medium is, but this will be interesting to watch (especially since its not my favorite team that may or may not benefit from it).
#2 | 1586 days ago

I'm a fan of this goal. I don't think it'll mean dead arms for the post season, being that some of these guys are used to it:

James Shields has had 215+ IP each of the last three seasons; his arm will be fine.
Matt Garza had 180 IP two years ago, and 200+ last season, his arm strength is there too.
David Price is still on the rise, and young, his arm will be there in October.
Neimann, who's pitched great, had 180 IP last season and I think his arm will be fine too when it comes to October.
And you arguably only need 3 of these guys to be starters in the postseason.

Where here do you disagree? If anything, the 200+ IP per pitcher means the bullpen is rested more and I'd much rather see a rested/ready bullpen in playoff baseball than rested/ready SP. (I've seen my teams' bullpen implode last few seasons though).
1. Yes  2. 984 1/3 - 1006  3. 6  4. Yes  
#3 | 1586 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
 As a Brewers fan, I'm on the other end.  Our starters aren't getting nearly enough innings and our bullpen is already gassed.  Its tough to now where the happy medium is, but this will be interesting to watch (especially since its not my favorite team that may or may not benefit from it).
 It is kinda hard to know whether it's a beneficial thing long-term. Obviously, if your starting pitchers get to 1000 innings in these days of the five man rotation it is a good thing. You are definitely winning a LOT of games.
But it's better if maybe 8-10 of those starts go to someone other than your normal five. If you get FIVE guys with over 200 innings that seems bad. I know, I know, in the old days that was normal.....
I have noticed that if the Rays have a 5 run or more lead and the starter is at 100 (sometimes LESS) pitches, Maddon will not let him keep going even if he's only pitched 5 or 6 innings....so Maddon is still seeking to keep them intact for the long haul.
Because the Rays weakness has been the bullpen the last two seasons, it seems he wants to put the onus on his starters to go out and get deep into games. 
1. No  2. 940 1/3 - 962  3. 7  4. Yes  
#4 | 1568 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
 As a Brewers fan, I'm on the other end.  Our starters aren't getting nearly enough innings and our bullpen is already gassed.  Its tough to now where the happy medium is, but this will be interesting to watch (especially since its not my favorite team that may or may not benefit from it).
I too am a Brewer fan and I agree with you. The offence is excellent. They can hit the ball and score runs, even hit home runs. But it's the pitching that the Brew Crew are lacking. I'm glad they FINALLY got rid of Suppan, so that leaves room for some Triple A guys to come up and get some experience. Who knows, maybe if the new pitching works out and they get really good, in a few years, The Brewers will be back in the playoffs.
1. No  2. 962 1/3 - 984  3. 7  4. No  
#5 | 1564 days ago

I checked No -- and then I did the math  DOH  it works out to 6 1/6 inning per game to hit 1000 -- that really shouldn't be a big deal .. the pen still gets work.  I think the pitch counting and innings count are way over blown -- it depends on how hard the pitchers are working as to whether you leave them in or take them out.  They could be cruising at 120 pitches then again they might be laboring at 80
1. Yes  2. more than 1006  3. 8  4. No  
#6 | 1564 days ago

SickPuppy wrote:
I checked No -- and then I did the math  DOH  it works out to 6 1/6 inning per game to hit 1000 -- that really shouldn't be a big deal .. the pen still gets work.  I think the pitch counting and innings count are way over blown -- it depends on how hard the pitchers are working as to whether you leave them in or take them out.  They could be cruising at 120 pitches then again they might be laboring at 80
 Actually in the last  decade that is a big deal.
Only 40 rotations have done it in the past ten seasons and no more than TWO rotations have done it over the last 4 seasons. 
Basically you are asking your rotation one through FIVE to give you probably a Quality Start EVERY single game. That's tough.
Now, factor in injuries. Young pitchers with set pitch counts. Not easy.
1. No  2. 940 1/3 - 962  3. 7  4. Yes  

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