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Compliment or Offensive ? (Edited 06/14/10 08:55AM by Anthonyg7575)
Senator Orrin Hatch said, "Gays and lesbians don't pay tithing, their religion is politics." He said later he was trying to praise gay activist.
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#5 | 1075 days ago
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(Edited by NorseHeathen)
Tithing is a Christian belief to which not everyone adheres.  I would like to hear either the question that prompted that statement, or an expansion of this statement to gain a better perspective of what brought forth this comment.  By itself, this quote stinks of bias (that's not the exact word I want to use to describe it because it doesn't quite "fit" the full essence of what I'm trying to say, but the word I'm trying to think of currently eludes me).
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#1 | 1075 days ago

 where is the "DUMB A**" selection box ?
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#2 | 1075 days ago

 I thought is was funny myself
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#3 | 1075 days ago
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Senator Orrin Hatch (R) is one of the most IGNORANT politicians this Country has ever seen. This isn't even close to being his first "offensive" comment about a group of people and won't be his last.
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#4 | 1075 days ago

 It doesn't make sense to me.  It seems to be taken out of context.
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#5 | 1075 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

(Edited by NorseHeathen)
Tithing is a Christian belief to which not everyone adheres.  I would like to hear either the question that prompted that statement, or an expansion of this statement to gain a better perspective of what brought forth this comment.  By itself, this quote stinks of bias (that's not the exact word I want to use to describe it because it doesn't quite "fit" the full essence of what I'm trying to say, but the word I'm trying to think of currently eludes me).
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#6 | 1075 days ago

 Ohhhh, he was trying to praise them, lmfao!! What an @$$hole.
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#7 | 1075 days ago

 I KNOW I AINT THE SHARPEST PENCIL IN THE BUNCH ,BUT THIS IS WAY TO DEEP FOR MY SHALLOW MIND ,BUT GOD BLESS ALL MY FELLOW IQUERS
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#8 | 1075 days ago
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I do not know that Gays and Lesbians didn't attend church or give to their churches or were even Religious, and they surely must NOT be Christian. Only those "straights" could believe in and worship God.  Hey, isn't Senator Hatch a politician? So then his "religion" must be politics- not those Gays and Lesbians.... WOW- what a d-bag this guy is!
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#9 | 1075 days ago
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I read something I think yesterday about this. He said it to a crowd of ppl at a college in Utah,  He said gay rights activists are more organized than his party, (paraphrased) so, they replaced religion with politics.  Therefor to him, they don't have to pay tithing. So, he claims it was a compliment, (Maybe a left handed one) Even though I don't agree with their way of life, this was offensive. You can't take it as a compliment.
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#10 | 1075 days ago

 Ditto on the D@#che bag comment.
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#11 | 1075 days ago

 NorseHeathen wrote:
Tithing is a Christian belief to which not everyone adheres.  I would like to hear either the question that prompted that statement, or an expansion of this statement to gain a better perspective of what brought forth this comment.  By itself, this quote stinks of bias (that's not the exact word I want to use to describe it because it doesn't quite "fit" the full essence of what I'm trying to say, but the word I'm trying to think of currently eludes me).
article I found

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15279976
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#12 | 1075 days ago
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coyotedances wrote:
article I found

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15279976
Thank you for taking the time...I really appreciate it.  
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#13 | 1075 days ago
vindog (+)

coyotedances wrote:
article I found

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15279976
From the comments I read from people who wrote in and expressed their feeling about this article you posted- I would say that many people did NOT take his comments very lightly nor do they believe it was a compliment. They surely aren't buying into his "typical political back-peddling" either. LOL      Like I said, this isn't the first "off-color" comment that Senator Hatch has made about certain "groups" of people in Utah- and it won't be the last- unless of course- he loses his re-election which is VERY possible in a "more tolerant" Utah than it used to be.
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#14 | 1075 days ago
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I'm not going to go into detail at the moment because I am extremely tired.  Based upon the clarification that Senator Hatch made, I can see the association.  However, the statement as it was made was used as a means of rallying conservatives by specifically identifying the gay and lesbian community as "the undesirable opposition" because they don't pay tithe and thus do not have religion.  Regardless of the intent, the statement puts those that don't pay tithes as "lesser" than those who do.

Considering the response by Senator Hatch, I'm more inclined to make the same acknowledgment as did David Melson, the executive director of Affirmation.  He stated: "'If Senator Hatch is rewording his statement or apologizing,' Melson said, 'we're certainly accepting of that apology.'"  Although, I don't know if I would go as far as to say it was an apology as I would to say that it was an acknowledgment of an improperly worded statement.

There isn't anyone on this list that hasn't had to clarify one thing or another at one time, at least I know I have done so.  With all of the sabre-rattling around the world and in American politics (cough, cough, South Carolina, cough), I am generally pleased with his clarification.  I hope his sentiment is sincere, however, him being a politician that remains highly speculative.

I guess a short statement didn't pan out...LOL.  I will read the article again tomorrow, along with my statement to see if I have any additional sentiments regarding this issue.
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#15 | 1075 days ago

 knowing HATCH AND HIS  PAST AND OTHER LESS THAN REMARKABLE QUOTES..THERE IS NOT DOUBT HE WAS BACKPEDALING  YET AGAIN....SINCE HE CONSISTANTLY STICKS HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH.....GAY BASHING? ITS AN ELECTION YEAR ND HE IS JUST THROWING VOTES TO THE DEMOCRATS BY SAYING THINGS LIKETHAT..SHAME ON HIM
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#16 | 1075 days ago

 vindog wrote:
I do not know that Gays and Lesbians didn't attend church or give to their churches or were even Religious, and they surely must NOT be Christian. Only those "straights" could believe in and worship God.  Hey, isn't Senator Hatch a politician? So then his "religion" must be politics- not those Gays and Lesbians.... WOW- what a d-bag this guy is!
Being the mother of a gay son..i find Hatch offensive and ignorant...not just on this subject BUT many. He consistantly sticks his foot in his mouth ,which makes me want to shove my boot up his A$$.......I wonder how much of his special interest funds come from any gay community?
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#17 | 1075 days ago

 Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
Being the mother of a gay son..i find Hatch offensive and ignorant...not just on this subject BUT many. He consistantly sticks his foot in his mouth ,which makes me want to shove my boot up his A$$.......I wonder how much of his special interest funds come from any gay community?
thanks vin....these politicians forget that there is a huge gay community in politics,military, advertising, wallstreet, the arts,poli sci.communications et el....that can add up to alot of $$$..they cut their nose.
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#18 | 1075 days ago
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 Many gay and lesbian Americans also identify themselves as Republicans and/or conservatives-- although if Hatch's statement is in any way indicative of his party's views, they may want to reconsider their affiliation.
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#19 | 1075 days ago
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The Senator may believe that but it's not necessarily the case. I have two friends who are gay men but are staunch libertarians-- they're even more conservative than most Republicans-- they're on the front lines of the Tea Party.
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#20 | 1075 days ago

 jasonwrites wrote:
The Senator may believe that but it's not necessarily the case. I have two friends who are gay men but are staunch libertarians-- they're even more conservative than most Republicans-- they're on the front lines of the Tea Party.
see comment 17
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#21 | 1075 days ago

 NorseHeathen wrote:
I'm not going to go into detail at the moment because I am extremely tired.  Based upon the clarification that Senator Hatch made, I can see the association.  However, the statement as it was made was used as a means of rallying conservatives by specifically identifying the gay and lesbian community as "the undesirable opposition" because they don't pay tithe and thus do not have religion.  Regardless of the intent, the statement puts those that don't pay tithes as "lesser" than those who do.

Considering the response by Senator Hatch, I'm more inclined to make the same acknowledgment as did David Melson, the executive director of Affirmation.  He stated: "'If Senator Hatch is rewording his statement or apologizing,' Melson said, 'we're certainly accepting of that apology.'"  Although, I don't know if I would go as far as to say it was an apology as I would to say that it was an acknowledgment of an improperly worded statement.

There isn't anyone on this list that hasn't had to clarify one thing or another at one time, at least I know I have done so.  With all of the sabre-rattling around the world and in American politics (cough, cough, South Carolina, cough), I am generally pleased with his clarification.  I hope his sentiment is sincere, however, him being a politician that remains highly speculative.

I guess a short statement didn't pan out...LOL.  I will read the article again tomorrow, along with my statement to see if I have any additional sentiments regarding this issue.
Sir Norse you are switzerland.....  however If it was anyone BUT Hatch who consistantly does and says things and backpedals  ..i would say ok and give the benefit of the doubt.but becaus eHatch is consistantly doing this i do not trust or believe his apology or excuse....
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#22 | 1074 days ago

 jasonwrites wrote:
The Senator may believe that but it's not necessarily the case. I have two friends who are gay men but are staunch libertarians-- they're even more conservative than most Republicans-- they're on the front lines of the Tea Party.
 There are always exceptions to the rule (and actually true libertarians would be fine just letting everyone do their own thing in their privacy), but the gay and lesbian community do overwhelmingly vote Democratic.
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#23 | 1074 days ago

  Based on what I've read, I can understand what Senator Hatch was trying to say.  Its also worth noting that Hatch was trying to rally conservatives in one of the reddest states there is.  i detest the politics of the situation, but in his own state it was probably smart. It is what it is.
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#24 | 1074 days ago
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Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
Sir Norse you are switzerland.....  however If it was anyone BUT Hatch who consistantly does and says things and backpedals  ..i would say ok and give the benefit of the doubt.but becaus eHatch is consistantly doing this i do not trust or believe his apology or excuse....
I do have to admit that I am not as well versed in Senator Hatch as with others.  In that, I think that should be taken into consideration.  Ironically though, of all the door-knocking Christians that have approached me at my home, the Mormon's on their "mission" have demonstrated the most respect and listened with interest as I discussed my beliefs--whilst associating such with parts of the Bible.  I wouldn't expect otherwise as their purpose is to introduce people not only into the Mormon faith, but in keeping with their beliefs--spreading the "word" as well.  So my response can synergisticly attributed to my interactions with those young men as well.  Of course, I've had people take may dedication to the pre-Christian ways of my ancestors in a less than complimentary fashion; one of whom backed away from my house saying I was a minion of the devil and I already have a place designated in the realm of Satan, etc., etc., etc., as she was still "brandishing" me all the way down the block.  Such is life.

As for being Switzerland, well....I have to thank you.  I try to be open to alternate perspectives and as an optimist I also embrace the positive essence of hope that people will overcome the less virtuous elements of human nature.  Even so, I definitely am polarized in my political views with my usual focus being on what are considered the more "extreme" positions on the left or the right depending upon the issue.  I do, however, also seek to establish positive communications between people with differing perspectives as it is only during such respectful exchanges that the perspectives of one another can be evaluated.  The problem with the vast majority of modern politics is that all sides talk AT one another and listen passively paying attention only to how they're going to subvert (oft times 'spin') the alternative view being presented to them.

Optimistic as I endeavor to embrace, I also feel the weight of the realities of our modern society, both domestic and foreign, which is presently responsible for my bitterly undesirable speculations as to where our 'civilization' is headed.  Such is life, and in my head operates a carnival of different rides.
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#25 | 1074 days ago
vindog (+)

jasonwrites wrote:
The Senator may believe that but it's not necessarily the case. I have two friends who are gay men but are staunch libertarians-- they're even more conservative than most Republicans-- they're on the front lines of the Tea Party.
Homosexuals and Tea Parties? Don't they go hand in hand anyway? They were playing "dress up" from a young age huh?.....     (***** warning- this was ONLY a joke people*******)  
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#26 | 1074 days ago
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vindog wrote:
Homosexuals and Tea Parties? Don't they go hand in hand anyway? They were playing "dress up" from a young age huh?.....     (***** warning- this was ONLY a joke people*******)  
I thought this was hillarious!  Too bad you had to add the disclaimer.....
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#27 | 1074 days ago
vindog (+)

NorseHeathen wrote:
I thought this was hillarious!  Too bad you had to add the disclaimer.....
Yeah well- as much crap as I get on here from "certain individuals" the disclaimer was a necessary evil- LOL!
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#28 | 1074 days ago
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kantwistaye wrote:
 There are always exceptions to the rule (and actually true libertarians would be fine just letting everyone do their own thing in their privacy), but the gay and lesbian community do overwhelmingly vote Democratic.
True, and I think if they were truly voting for their own best interests it would be even more overwhelming. I just wanted to point out that generalizations are always generally false.
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#29 | 1074 days ago

 you may have thought Hatch insensitive, but I found humor in his utterly ridiculous statement/s
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#30 | 1074 days ago
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vindog wrote:
Yeah well- as much crap as I get on here from "certain individuals" the disclaimer was a necessary evil- LOL!
 Political correctness reigns supreme, even on the Web.
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#31 | 1062 days ago

 jasonwrites wrote:
 Political correctness reigns supreme, even on the Web.
political correctness is neither!!! 
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#32 | 1060 days ago

 I really don't know, but I'm sure there is some fag out there who is offended, there is always one who is.
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#33 | 1060 days ago
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Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
Being the mother of a gay son..i find Hatch offensive and ignorant...not just on this subject BUT many. He consistantly sticks his foot in his mouth ,which makes me want to shove my boot up his A$$.......I wonder how much of his special interest funds come from any gay community?
 Being the mother of anyone should make everyone find this man offensive and ignorant. 
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#34 | 1060 days ago
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C'mon now......let's not relegate this thread to derogatory slang....
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#35 | 1060 days ago
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NorseHeathen wrote:
C'mon now......let's not relegate this thread to derogatory slang....
No worries- it's just THEIR nature anyway.......Anyone who is "different" is NOT a human being to some of these people on FanIQ- it's been going on for months now.
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#36 | 1060 days ago

 wow.
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#37 | 1060 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 Quit it. 
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#38 | 1060 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 I don't care how long it's been there and you know what I mean. 
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#39 | 1060 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

 I have never given you a respect for saying fag hag you goof now play nice. 
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#40 | 1060 days ago
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 Sorry guys back to the poll please
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#41 | 1060 days ago

 vindog wrote:
No worries- it's just THEIR nature anyway.......Anyone who is "different" is NOT a human being to some of these people on FanIQ- it's been going on for months now.
Unfortunately, it isn't just people on FanIQ, it's everywhere in the world.  If you're a little different, you stand a good chance to be singled out and ridiculed.  Also unfortunately, it seems this Hatch dude, whoever he is (remember I'm from Canada and don't know all your politicians) is grasping at anything to get some attention, but he sure seems wishy-washy.  Is he?
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#42 | 1060 days ago
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JrCanuckFan wrote:
Unfortunately, it isn't just people on FanIQ, it's everywhere in the world.  If you're a little different, you stand a good chance to be singled out and ridiculed.  Also unfortunately, it seems this Hatch dude, whoever he is (remember I'm from Canada and don't know all your politicians) is grasping at anything to get some attention, but he sure seems wishy-washy.  Is he?
 Orin Hatch is almost dangerous in his beliefs of the American family and dream are still only for the heterosexuals and no one else need apply.
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#43 | 1060 days ago

 doesn't matter what is said by who some one from way far left or way far right or may be way in the middle is going to _itch, and make an issue. Politics is almost like WWF (No Offense U Fans) entertainment. 
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