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PED's Do They or Don't They
Many athletes have been caught with some form of PED's from bike racing, to football, to even baseball.  But many people think that PED's don't even work like people think they do. Can they make a hitter hit the ball farther, can they make a pitcher throw the ball harder, can they make a base runner run faster and do they make you better period?Question is do PED's work or don't they work with Baseball players?
| Closed on 12/25/11 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | MLB, San Francisco Giants, St. Louis Cardinals | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
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82%a. Yes
18%b. No

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#1 | 1393 days ago

 If a player already has a Major League swing then yes PED's will make that guy better.  On the other hand some Joe Schmo who got cut from his high school team can't go on a few cycles of steroids and expect to hit the ball like Bonds or McGwire. 
Yes  
  
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#1 | 1393 days ago

 If a player already has a Major League swing then yes PED's will make that guy better.  On the other hand some Joe Schmo who got cut from his high school team can't go on a few cycles of steroids and expect to hit the ball like Bonds or McGwire. 
Yes  
#2 | 1393 days ago

imsports2002 wrote:
 If a player already has a Major League swing then yes PED's will make that guy better.  On the other hand some Joe Schmo who got cut from his high school team can't go on a few cycles of steroids and expect to hit the ball like Bonds or McGwire. 
I agree it like adding a scope to a weapon if the Shooter already has a good shot. Your just making the shooter even better though he is good without it.
Yes  
#3 | 1391 days ago

It is not likely.

The medical community is reluctant to think it does and the stats do not show it.
#4 | 1391 days ago

ML31 wrote:
It is not likely.

The medical community is reluctant to think it does and the stats do not show it.
YOUR WRONG I CAN GET DOCTORS IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY TO TELL YOU YOUR WRONG ON THE IDEA OF PED'S YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT AND YOU USE SOURCES WERE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT STRAIGHT UP I BET THEY DON'T EVEN TEST EVERY SINGLE PED'S
Yes  
#5 | 1391 days ago

ML31 wrote:
It is not likely.

The medical community is reluctant to think it does and the stats do not show it.
 If they don't make a difference than why do a lot of athletes use them?
Yes  
#6 | 1391 days ago

(Edited by TatsuKlinga2812812)
ML31 wrote:
It is not likely.

The medical community is reluctant to think it does and the stats do not show it.

Manny Ramirez got caught with birth control in his system what guy on Earth need birth control dude. He uses it with a cocktail of other PED's and other drugs to get stronger he was already a good hitter it made him a better STRONGER hitter.  Many ped's are hard on the body you need a lot of other drugs to cut that down why they what you call stack drugs STUFF LIKE BIRTH CONTROL AND NOT ALL DRUGS THEY TAKE ARE PED'S. Since PED's were banned by baseball and heavy punishment  could happen. Offensive numbers have gone down. Defensive and pitching numbers have gone up


WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT SMART GUY!!!!!

Yes  
#7 | 1391 days ago

(Edited by ML31)
TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
YOUR WRONG I CAN GET DOCTORS IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY TO TELL YOU YOUR WRONG ON THE IDEA OF PED'S YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT AND YOU USE SOURCES WERE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT STRAIGHT UP I BET THEY DON'T EVEN TEST EVERY SINGLE PED'S
I CAN GET DOCTORS IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY TO TELL YOU YOUR WRONG

No, you can't.

Did you actually read the data in the link?  If you did, there is no way you would blow it off.  Wait, you might.  You embrace the illogical.
#8 | 1391 days ago

imsports2002 wrote:
 If they don't make a difference than why do a lot of athletes use them?
I never said they don't work.  But it is a matter of what they ACTUALLY do.  Many players used them to help recover faster. Which is a known effect of them.  But they don't make you hit more homers or throw harder fastballs.  That is a myth.  If a player took them for those mythical reasons it is just like sliding into first base.  It doesn't get you there faster.  In fact, it actually slows you down.  Yet players do it anyway because they think it works.
#9 | 1391 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:

Manny Ramirez got caught with birth control in his system what guy on Earth need birth control dude. He uses it with a cocktail of other PED's and other drugs to get stronger he was already a good hitter it made him a better STRONGER hitter.  Many ped's are hard on the body you need a lot of other drugs to cut that down why they what you call stack drugs STUFF LIKE BIRTH CONTROL AND NOT ALL DRUGS THEY TAKE ARE PED'S. Since PED's were banned by baseball and heavy punishment  could happen. Offensive numbers have gone down. Defensive and pitching numbers have gone up


WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT SMART GUY!!!!!

Dude...  You think you know things but you just come across as being ignorant. 

Manny Ramirez tested positive for HCG.  A female fertility drug.  It was classified as a steroid and was on the banned substance list.  it is something players take when coming off the juice because of how the female hormones react with the more common steroids.  It helps remove them from the system a bit faster.  And is why it is on the banned substance list.

As far as offensive numbers, check out the link I presented.  It shows there never really was any offensive spike in the "steroid" era.
#10 | 1391 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Dude...  You think you know things but you just come across as being ignorant. 

Manny Ramirez tested positive for HCG.  A female fertility drug.  It was classified as a steroid and was on the banned substance list.  it is something players take when coming off the juice because of how the female hormones react with the more common steroids.  It helps remove them from the system a bit faster.  And is why it is on the banned substance list.

As far as offensive numbers, check out the link I presented.  It shows there never really was any offensive spike in the "steroid" era.
LOL MOST OF THAT I SAID IN DIFFERENT WAYS LOL. I SAID PED'S ARE HARD ON THE SYSTEM AND OTHER DRUGS ARE USED WITH THE EFFECTS OF PED'S WHICH DO INCLUDED OTHER PED'S .



YOU LINK YOU GAVE IS TOTAL BULL SHIT I DON'T BUY THAT LINK AT ALL. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINION ALL YOU WANT BUT THAT IS ALL IT IS.   IT IS A FREE WORLD.    AS FOR SIZE OF A PLAYER IT IS RARE TO SEE SMALL GUYS HIT A TON OF HOME RUN'S IT JUST DON'T HAPPEN. A-ROD A BIG MAN, PUJOLS A BIG MAN, BONDS A BIG MAN, RUTH WAS A BIG MAN AMONG OTHER PLAYERS.    SIZE HAS MUCH TO DO WITH BASEBALL AS FOOTBALL.

AS FOR THE HOME RUN THINK IT TOOK A WHILE TO BREAK THE SEASON HOME RUN RECORD.  IN A MATTER OF A FEW YEARS THREE PEOPLE BROKE IT.                LOOK NO ONE HAS EVEN COME CLOSE SINCE. A REASON BEHIND THAT.   
Yes  
#11 | 1391 days ago

(Edited by ML31)
TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
LOL MOST OF THAT I SAID IN DIFFERENT WAYS LOL. I SAID PED'S ARE HARD ON THE SYSTEM AND OTHER DRUGS ARE USED WITH THE EFFECTS OF PED'S WHICH DO INCLUDED OTHER PED'S .



YOU LINK YOU GAVE IS TOTAL BULL SHIT I DON'T BUY THAT LINK AT ALL. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINION ALL YOU WANT BUT THAT IS ALL IT IS.   IT IS A FREE WORLD.    AS FOR SIZE OF A PLAYER IT IS RARE TO SEE SMALL GUYS HIT A TON OF HOME RUN'S IT JUST DON'T HAPPEN. A-ROD A BIG MAN, PUJOLS A BIG MAN, BONDS A BIG MAN, RUTH WAS A BIG MAN AMONG OTHER PLAYERS.    SIZE HAS MUCH TO DO WITH BASEBALL AS FOOTBALL.

AS FOR THE HOME RUN THINK IT TOOK A WHILE TO BREAK THE SEASON HOME RUN RECORD.  IN A MATTER OF A FEW YEARS THREE PEOPLE BROKE IT.                LOOK NO ONE HAS EVEN COME CLOSE SINCE. A REASON BEHIND THAT.   
You never said it in "different" ways.  You were wrong on the matter just as you are wrong on nearly everything else you say about baseball.

You have said before you are a "facts" and "numbers" guy.  Well, I provided you with the numbers and the logic of how they were figured.  You only blow them off because they show your assessment of the situation to be false.   Guys hit a ton of homers all the time.  Look at Roger Maris.  You must think he was on steroids too, right?  No one had a greater spike than he did.  And no one came close to his record for 37 years.  Size has very little to do with baseball.  It is like a golf swing.  Giant muscle bound guys don't drive the ball any further than regular looking guys.  A huge torso doesn't generate hitting power.
#12 | 1390 days ago

I'm not going to blow up this poll talking to an fool who does not understand anything what so ever

That must be very difficult for you.

I BET YOU CAN WAIT TO SEE SANTA CLAUS NEXT MONTH LOL DUDE.

I bet you feel very proud of that little "gem".

BECAUSE THEY AREN'T REAL TRUE FACTS I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME READING THAT BULLSHIT LIKE YOU DO.  

So, you didn't even read it?  How do you know if it is BS or not if you didn't even take the time to even read the summery?   I kinda figured you never bothered to even give it a chance.  Quite frankly, I don't think you ever even clicked on the link.  Or if you did, you found it way to 'wordy' and not enough pictures and graphs.  So you gave up on it.
BTW...  The link you gave is a duplicate of the worthless link you already provided.  Unlike you, I actually check out what you throw at me.  The link does not prove steroids, or that particular one, make anyone hit more homers.

Winstrol A-ROD ALSO TOOK IS ALSO A HORSE STERIOD.   IF IT MAKES HORSE RUN FAST HOW CAN IT NOT WORK ON A PERSON.

No one cares what he took.  Plus, people aren't complaining about A-Rods foot speed.  Also, here is a news flash for you, not only is a horse NOT a human being, but last time I checked, horses don't play baseball!

LOOK AT THIS PRICE LIST

What price list?  The link doesn't work.  Even if it did, what does their cost have to do with any of this???
#13 | 1390 days ago

YOU NEVER PROVEN ME WRONG JUST IN YOUR MIND THAT IS ALL.

On most of your comments, no because they are opinions and speculations.  I only pointed out that you were passing off your opinions and speculations as facts.  On a few matters I have indeed shot you down with provable and verifiable facts.

T WAS AN ONCE IN A LIFE TIME THING.

Doesn't mean it can't happen again.

ONE SAID HE ALREADY TOOK SOMETHING.

Sure.  And they probably said what they had for breakfast too.  Doesn't mean that breakfast was responsible.

TIGER WOODS HAVE TON'S OF MUSCLE MAYBE NOT GIANT MUSCLES BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT HE IS A WORKOUT MACHINE

But is he as big as say...  Sammy Sosa?   Not even close.  Using your argument...  Just look at him!  He shouldn't be able to drive the ball that far.


Wrong you don't know body chemistry then.

Don't just say it.  Prove it.  Show me evidence that bigger arms lead to more home run power.  I dare you.

YEAH IT DOES.

No, it doesn't.  Just as huge arms don't mean you can throw the ball farther.  Bonds' was never able to throw the ball any further when his arms got bigger.  Using your logic, he should have been able to.


YEA FAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE A LOT OF POWER,

On the golf course, perhaps.  The swing is more of a weight shift than anything else.  But a baseball swing is different.  Just shifting weight doesn't cut it.  Power is generated from the legs.  Any physicist will tell you that.
  Huge torsos and biceps look nice, but they don't translate to home run power.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT IS PART OF IT YOU NEED IT FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN LIFE

Ironic that YOU wrote that.

Your wrong when you say you don't need a lot of muscle to hit a golf ball.

No, I am right. 
You want visual evidence?  Take a look at the guys on the Long Drive contests.  Those guys are not huge guys like YOU would expect.  Most are regular looking guys.   Woods himself is toned.  But he is not a body builder out there.  If he were, he would have a hard time with his swing.

To hit it just like tiger woods you do need a ton of power in your legs

No.  Legs are required for baseball power.  Not so much golf power.  In baseball, the legs provide the power and the arms guide the bat.  In golf, the weight shift provides the power, and the body guides the club.

SOUND SIMILAR TO ME YOU SAID THIS.

You really thing the two comments are the same?  They aren't even close.
  You said he was using a birth control to bulk up.  I said he was using HCG to come down.

LOOK MAN I BEEN TO COLLEGE TO BECOME AN TRAINER. I HELP PEOPLE LOSE WEIGHT BY TEACHING THEM HOW TO LIFT WEIGHTS, HOW TO EAT AND HOW TO TRAIN WITH OTHER GYM EQUIPMENT. I SAVED PEOPLE LIVES ALSO I KNOW I DID THAT MUCH AND I GOT PAID TO DO IT ALSO..

I'm not debating that.  Good for you.  Doesn't mean you can't be wrong regarding steroids and baseball or wrong about anything having to do with Major League Baseball.

ALL I EVER HEARD YOU DO IS SWIM

Used to play water polo, too.  But I have never claimed that made me an expert at anything.

STERIODS WORKED FOR ME .

I'm sure they worked for what you used them for.  They work for body builders, too.  But you nor them were trying to hit more home runs.


PED'S CAN HELP YOU IN WHAT EVER YOUR TRYING TO DO.

There you are wrong.  There is no evidence they will do everything.
  They can bulk you up, but they cannot help you at the more skillful activities.  They won't make you a better gymnast.  (Which requires MASSIVE strength).  They won't help you hit the green from 170 yards out.  And they won't make you hit the baseball any farther than normal.  They will add mass.  They will help you look good posing on stage.  They can add strength for certain activities.  But beyond that, the jury is still out.  Combine that with the stats showing there was no real power spike in the steroid era, and it is reasonable to conclude steroids did not tarnish anything in baseball except the lives of those who took them.

FINALLY WHEN YOU GET OLDER YOUR BAT SPEED SLOWS DOWN ITS NATURE IT HAPPENS.

True, but there are individuals who have done well in their later years.  No one has ever accused Nolan Ryan of taking the stuff.  He was one of the greatest age defiers of all time.  It happens.  There are cases here and there throughout the history of MLB.

I DON'T USE OTHER LINKS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO USE THEM

You do if you want to try and make a case for yourself.  To show that it is not just your own personal belief.  That there is something factual out there guiding you to your conclusions.
#14 | 1390 days ago

(Edited by TatsuKlinga2812812)
ML31 wrote:
YOU NEVER PROVEN ME WRONG JUST IN YOUR MIND THAT IS ALL.

On most of your comments, no because they are opinions and speculations.  I only pointed out that you were passing off your opinions and speculations as facts.  On a few matters I have indeed shot you down with provable and verifiable facts.

T WAS AN ONCE IN A LIFE TIME THING.

Doesn't mean it can't happen again.

ONE SAID HE ALREADY TOOK SOMETHING.

Sure.  And they probably said what they had for breakfast too.  Doesn't mean that breakfast was responsible.

TIGER WOODS HAVE TON'S OF MUSCLE MAYBE NOT GIANT MUSCLES BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT HE IS A WORKOUT MACHINE

But is he as big as say...  Sammy Sosa?   Not even close.  Using your argument...  Just look at him!  He shouldn't be able to drive the ball that far.


Wrong you don't know body chemistry then.

Don't just say it.  Prove it.  Show me evidence that bigger arms lead to more home run power.  I dare you.

YEAH IT DOES.

No, it doesn't.  Just as huge arms don't mean you can throw the ball farther.  Bonds' was never able to throw the ball any further when his arms got bigger.  Using your logic, he should have been able to.


YEA FAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE A LOT OF POWER,

On the golf course, perhaps.  The swing is more of a weight shift than anything else.  But a baseball swing is different.  Just shifting weight doesn't cut it.  Power is generated from the legs.  Any physicist will tell you that.
  Huge torsos and biceps look nice, but they don't translate to home run power.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT IS PART OF IT YOU NEED IT FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN LIFE

Ironic that YOU wrote that.

Your wrong when you say you don't need a lot of muscle to hit a golf ball.

No, I am right. 
You want visual evidence?  Take a look at the guys on the Long Drive contests.  Those guys are not huge guys like YOU would expect.  Most are regular looking guys.   Woods himself is toned.  But he is not a body builder out there.  If he were, he would have a hard time with his swing.

To hit it just like tiger woods you do need a ton of power in your legs

No.  Legs are required for baseball power.  Not so much golf power.  In baseball, the legs provide the power and the arms guide the bat.  In golf, the weight shift provides the power, and the body guides the club.

SOUND SIMILAR TO ME YOU SAID THIS.

You really thing the two comments are the same?  They aren't even close.
  You said he was using a birth control to bulk up.  I said he was using HCG to come down.

LOOK MAN I BEEN TO COLLEGE TO BECOME AN TRAINER. I HELP PEOPLE LOSE WEIGHT BY TEACHING THEM HOW TO LIFT WEIGHTS, HOW TO EAT AND HOW TO TRAIN WITH OTHER GYM EQUIPMENT. I SAVED PEOPLE LIVES ALSO I KNOW I DID THAT MUCH AND I GOT PAID TO DO IT ALSO..

I'm not debating that.  Good for you.  Doesn't mean you can't be wrong regarding steroids and baseball or wrong about anything having to do with Major League Baseball.

ALL I EVER HEARD YOU DO IS SWIM

Used to play water polo, too.  But I have never claimed that made me an expert at anything.

STERIODS WORKED FOR ME .

I'm sure they worked for what you used them for.  They work for body builders, too.  But you nor them were trying to hit more home runs.


PED'S CAN HELP YOU IN WHAT EVER YOUR TRYING TO DO.

There you are wrong.  There is no evidence they will do everything.
  They can bulk you up, but they cannot help you at the more skillful activities.  They won't make you a better gymnast.  (Which requires MASSIVE strength).  They won't help you hit the green from 170 yards out.  And they won't make you hit the baseball any farther than normal.  They will add mass.  They will help you look good posing on stage.  They can add strength for certain activities.  But beyond that, the jury is still out.  Combine that with the stats showing there was no real power spike in the steroid era, and it is reasonable to conclude steroids did not tarnish anything in baseball except the lives of those who took them.

FINALLY WHEN YOU GET OLDER YOUR BAT SPEED SLOWS DOWN ITS NATURE IT HAPPENS.

True, but there are individuals who have done well in their later years.  No one has ever accused Nolan Ryan of taking the stuff.  He was one of the greatest age defiers of all time.  It happens.  There are cases here and there throughout the history of MLB.

I DON'T USE OTHER LINKS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO USE THEM

You do if you want to try and make a case for yourself.  To show that it is not just your own personal belief.  That there is something factual out there guiding you to your conclusions.
I never said arm straight really it has nothing to do with the torso I was talking about.. TRUST ME A LOT OF TIGER WOODS SWING SPEED COMES FROM THE LEGS SHOWS YOU HAVE NO IDEA ON SPORTS. WHY IT WORE HIS KNEES OUT YOUR ABS IS PART OF YOUR TORSO WHICH IS A KEY PART OF WHAT A PLAYER DOES.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEVER BEEN AN ATHLETE.
YOU NEVER HEARD OF CORE TRAINING LOL THAT IS  YOU TRAIN FOR MOST SPORTS AND IS A KEY IN MOST SPORTS. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO BASEBALL PLAYERS AND GOLFERS ALIKE. MATTER FACT IS IS THE KEY PART OF EVERY ATHLETE. WATCH ROCKY YOU WILL SEE THE CRAZY AB TRAINING REASON FOR THAT. AND MANY OTHER SPORT MOVIES. DO YOU FIGURE IT OUT YOUR LEGS AND ABS OR TORSO IS PART OF EVERY MAJOR SPORT CONDITIONING EXCEPT CHESS.  TELL ME THE REASON FOR THAT. THIS IS HOW A PLAYER DRIVES A LOT OF POWER FROM. A BOXER GET HIS PUNCHES.
Yes  
#15 | 1390 days ago

ML31 wrote:
YOU NEVER PROVEN ME WRONG JUST IN YOUR MIND THAT IS ALL.

On most of your comments, no because they are opinions and speculations.  I only pointed out that you were passing off your opinions and speculations as facts.  On a few matters I have indeed shot you down with provable and verifiable facts.

T WAS AN ONCE IN A LIFE TIME THING.

Doesn't mean it can't happen again.

ONE SAID HE ALREADY TOOK SOMETHING.

Sure.  And they probably said what they had for breakfast too.  Doesn't mean that breakfast was responsible.

TIGER WOODS HAVE TON'S OF MUSCLE MAYBE NOT GIANT MUSCLES BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT HE IS A WORKOUT MACHINE

But is he as big as say...  Sammy Sosa?   Not even close.  Using your argument...  Just look at him!  He shouldn't be able to drive the ball that far.


Wrong you don't know body chemistry then.

Don't just say it.  Prove it.  Show me evidence that bigger arms lead to more home run power.  I dare you.

YEAH IT DOES.

No, it doesn't.  Just as huge arms don't mean you can throw the ball farther.  Bonds' was never able to throw the ball any further when his arms got bigger.  Using your logic, he should have been able to.


YEA FAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE A LOT OF POWER,

On the golf course, perhaps.  The swing is more of a weight shift than anything else.  But a baseball swing is different.  Just shifting weight doesn't cut it.  Power is generated from the legs.  Any physicist will tell you that.
  Huge torsos and biceps look nice, but they don't translate to home run power.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT IS PART OF IT YOU NEED IT FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN LIFE

Ironic that YOU wrote that.

Your wrong when you say you don't need a lot of muscle to hit a golf ball.

No, I am right. 
You want visual evidence?  Take a look at the guys on the Long Drive contests.  Those guys are not huge guys like YOU would expect.  Most are regular looking guys.   Woods himself is toned.  But he is not a body builder out there.  If he were, he would have a hard time with his swing.

To hit it just like tiger woods you do need a ton of power in your legs

No.  Legs are required for baseball power.  Not so much golf power.  In baseball, the legs provide the power and the arms guide the bat.  In golf, the weight shift provides the power, and the body guides the club.

SOUND SIMILAR TO ME YOU SAID THIS.

You really thing the two comments are the same?  They aren't even close.
  You said he was using a birth control to bulk up.  I said he was using HCG to come down.

LOOK MAN I BEEN TO COLLEGE TO BECOME AN TRAINER. I HELP PEOPLE LOSE WEIGHT BY TEACHING THEM HOW TO LIFT WEIGHTS, HOW TO EAT AND HOW TO TRAIN WITH OTHER GYM EQUIPMENT. I SAVED PEOPLE LIVES ALSO I KNOW I DID THAT MUCH AND I GOT PAID TO DO IT ALSO..

I'm not debating that.  Good for you.  Doesn't mean you can't be wrong regarding steroids and baseball or wrong about anything having to do with Major League Baseball.

ALL I EVER HEARD YOU DO IS SWIM

Used to play water polo, too.  But I have never claimed that made me an expert at anything.

STERIODS WORKED FOR ME .

I'm sure they worked for what you used them for.  They work for body builders, too.  But you nor them were trying to hit more home runs.


PED'S CAN HELP YOU IN WHAT EVER YOUR TRYING TO DO.

There you are wrong.  There is no evidence they will do everything.
  They can bulk you up, but they cannot help you at the more skillful activities.  They won't make you a better gymnast.  (Which requires MASSIVE strength).  They won't help you hit the green from 170 yards out.  And they won't make you hit the baseball any farther than normal.  They will add mass.  They will help you look good posing on stage.  They can add strength for certain activities.  But beyond that, the jury is still out.  Combine that with the stats showing there was no real power spike in the steroid era, and it is reasonable to conclude steroids did not tarnish anything in baseball except the lives of those who took them.

FINALLY WHEN YOU GET OLDER YOUR BAT SPEED SLOWS DOWN ITS NATURE IT HAPPENS.

True, but there are individuals who have done well in their later years.  No one has ever accused Nolan Ryan of taking the stuff.  He was one of the greatest age defiers of all time.  It happens.  There are cases here and there throughout the history of MLB.

I DON'T USE OTHER LINKS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO USE THEM

You do if you want to try and make a case for yourself.  To show that it is not just your own personal belief.  That there is something factual out there guiding you to your conclusions.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA ON CORE CONDTIONING
Yes  
#16 | 1390 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I never said arm straight really it has nothing to do with the torso I was talking about.. TRUST ME A LOT OF TIGER WOODS SWING SPEED COMES FROM THE LEGS SHOWS YOU HAVE NO IDEA ON SPORTS. WHY IT WORE HIS KNEES OUT YOUR ABS IS PART OF YOUR TORSO WHICH IS A KEY PART OF WHAT A PLAYER DOES.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEVER BEEN AN ATHLETE.
YOU NEVER HEARD OF CORE TRAINING LOL THAT IS  YOU TRAIN FOR MOST SPORTS AND IS A KEY IN MOST SPORTS. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO BASEBALL PLAYERS AND GOLFERS ALIKE. MATTER FACT IS IS THE KEY PART OF EVERY ATHLETE. WATCH ROCKY YOU WILL SEE THE CRAZY AB TRAINING REASON FOR THAT. AND MANY OTHER SPORT MOVIES. DO YOU FIGURE IT OUT YOUR LEGS AND ABS OR TORSO IS PART OF EVERY MAJOR SPORT CONDITIONING EXCEPT CHESS.  TELL ME THE REASON FOR THAT. THIS IS HOW A PLAYER DRIVES A LOT OF POWER FROM. A BOXER GET HIS PUNCHES.
I never said arm straight really it has nothing to do with the torso I was talking about.

Power in hitting a baseball does not come from the torso either.

TRUST ME A LOT OF TIGER WOODS SWING SPEED COMES FROM THE LEGS

A golf swing is all about the proper weight shift.  It is more about elegance than power.  You TRY and muscle up on a golf swing, you just won't hit it as far.  I thought you played a little golf...   If you did you would have learned this at the range or on the course.

WHY IT WORE HIS KNEES OUT

His knee issue didn't come about because he was swinging a golf club.

YOU NEVER HEARD OF CORE TRAINING

I have.  But that has little to do with a golf swing or hitting for power.

WATCH ROCKY YOU WILL SEE THE CRAZY AB TRAINING REASON FOR THAT

Is your knowledge on the matter based only on movies and what you see in other people?  That is all I've ever heard from you. 
Also, Rocky Balboa was a boxer.  Not a baseball player.  His training is not what a baseball player would do.  Different regimes for different disciplines. 
Funny how you think training is one size fits all....

EVERY MAJOR SPORT CONDITIONING EXCEPT CHESS.

Chess isn't a sport. 
#17 | 1389 days ago

I never said core training didn't do anything.  And I only said that steroids do not cause players to hit more home runs.  I never claimed steroids wouldn't help in other arenas.  In fact, I pointed out other places where they can and do help with results.

But, even with all those testimonials from people about the pluses of working out and staying in shape (and there is nothing unreasonable in those quotes), there is nothing there supporting the idea that steroids make one hit more homers.  Your citations don't support your earlier stated position and they don't detract from anything I have said either.  In fact, it is a mystery on why you even bothered to type it all up at all.
#18 | 1389 days ago

The people had nothing to prove the point about PED;s

But you did.  It was you who used their quotes.  Quotes that had nothing to do with either of our comments.

but I was comparing it with steriods.

Comparing what to steroids?  Working out?  Then you failed.

YOU SAID YOUR TORSO HAS NOT MUCH TO DO WITH THE SWING.

For baseball, your torso serves as the means for the transfer of energy.  It doesn't provide power but it can help with poise and proper positioning.  Without which, there is no good swing.

YOU SAID YOUR TORSO AND LEGS HAVE LITTLE TO DO WITH HITTING A BASEBALL

True about the torso.  False about the legs.  Baseball power comes from the legs. 

I implore you... Take the time to stop and think about the things you read.  You don't seem to be understanding the things written here.
#19 | 1389 days ago

You are repeating yourself quite a bit.  Your posts wouldn't be nearly as long if you stopped doing that.

THEY BOTH NEED STRONG LEG POWER.

No, only in baseball do the legs supply the power.  Not so in golf.

YOU NEED LEG POWER TO DRIVE A GOLF BALL 300 YARDS.

No, you don't.  A golf swing is a weight transfer.  If you are muscling up on the golf ball, then you do not have a good swing.  Try and put strength into your golf swing, you will screw it up and you won't hit the ball as far.  There is a little truth to that in baseball too.  When you hit the ball right on the screws it usually feels like you could have hit it harder.
   I'm surprised you don't realize this.  Perhaps you aren't the athlete you claimed to be....

WONDER WERE THE POWER COME FROM. I KNOW IT NOT FROM THE ARM'S

Dude...  Learn to read.  I have answered this over and over again.  Baseball hitting power comes from the LEGS.
  NOT the arms.

Rogers Maris was an once in a life time freakish thing he done.

There is no reason it couldn't happen again.  Wait...  It DID!!!


SEVEN PEOPLE SO FAR THING PED'S WORK YOUR THE ONLY PERSON IN AMERICA THAT THINK THEY DON'T WORK.

Once again, I NEVER said steroids don't work.  They work perfectly well (albeit with side effects) for what they are supposed to do.  They cause one to bulk up faster.  They have the potential to speed the recovery process.  But no one in the business has ever claimed they cause baseball players to hit more home runs.
I have yet to find any physician or pharmacist confirm that steroids = more home run power.  The only people who think it does are simple people who either with it were or who opt not to take a look at the FACTS.


WELL IT DOES COME FROM THE TORSO. I GAVE YOU ATHLETES TO TELL YOU IT

No, it doesn't.  The athletes you quoted don't claim home run power comes from there either.  Don't you even read what you put up here?

WHICH MOST OF IT COMES FROM YOUR LEGS

Again, that is a baseball swing.  NOT a golf swing.  


I CAN PUMP IT 200 YARDS SO I KNOW WHAT IS WHAT. IT REQUIRES LEG POWER.

Then you have a bad swing.  I can drive the ball a mere 225 yards.  And I have a crappy swing.  If I ever learn to get a good weight shift down, I could add 50-100 yards to my drives.

THE WEAR IN TEAR FROM THE THRUST OF HIS SWING WORE HIS KNEES OUT.

Show me where that assessment was made.  No?  Didn't think so.

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HITTING A GOLF BALL OR HITTING FOR POWER

Care to support that with something besides your yelling?   Again, didn't think so.


HE TOOK UP BOXING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND GET BETTER MACANICS

Notice he didn't say to hit more home runs.


TRUST ME DUDE BOXING REQUIRES WHAT ROCKY DONE AN THEN SOME IT IS A SPORT THAT VERY HARD TO TRAIN FOR

Fine.  None of that challenges my statement that boxing is not baseball.

WELL MANY USE PART OF A BOXING REGIMES IN BASEBALL MOST US SOME KIND OF SPORT IN THE TRAINING.

Ever heard of cross training?  There are elements of some sports that can be used in others.  Many hockey players take figure skating lessons to learn to skate better.  It happens.


CHESS IS HARD AND MORE PHYICAL THEN YOU THINK IT IS.

Chess requires thinking.  It is not a hard game to play.  But depending on the level of your competition, it is a hard game to win.  The most physical aspect of it is sitting on your ass for the hours it takes to play the game.

THIS WILL BE MY LAST BIG POST EVER.

As I said before, they wouldn't be big if you would simply address the issues at hand and stop repeating EVERYTHING.  In this post, I had to pick and choose what I responded to because at least 70% of it was stuff I already addressed.  You should learn from that technique.

#20 | 1388 days ago

ML31 wrote:
You are repeating yourself quite a bit.  Your posts wouldn't be nearly as long if you stopped doing that.

THEY BOTH NEED STRONG LEG POWER.

No, only in baseball do the legs supply the power.  Not so in golf.

YOU NEED LEG POWER TO DRIVE A GOLF BALL 300 YARDS.

No, you don't.  A golf swing is a weight transfer.  If you are muscling up on the golf ball, then you do not have a good swing.  Try and put strength into your golf swing, you will screw it up and you won't hit the ball as far.  There is a little truth to that in baseball too.  When you hit the ball right on the screws it usually feels like you could have hit it harder.
   I'm surprised you don't realize this.  Perhaps you aren't the athlete you claimed to be....

WONDER WERE THE POWER COME FROM. I KNOW IT NOT FROM THE ARM'S

Dude...  Learn to read.  I have answered this over and over again.  Baseball hitting power comes from the LEGS.
  NOT the arms.

Rogers Maris was an once in a life time freakish thing he done.

There is no reason it couldn't happen again.  Wait...  It DID!!!


SEVEN PEOPLE SO FAR THING PED'S WORK YOUR THE ONLY PERSON IN AMERICA THAT THINK THEY DON'T WORK.

Once again, I NEVER said steroids don't work.  They work perfectly well (albeit with side effects) for what they are supposed to do.  They cause one to bulk up faster.  They have the potential to speed the recovery process.  But no one in the business has ever claimed they cause baseball players to hit more home runs.
I have yet to find any physician or pharmacist confirm that steroids = more home run power.  The only people who think it does are simple people who either with it were or who opt not to take a look at the FACTS.


WELL IT DOES COME FROM THE TORSO. I GAVE YOU ATHLETES TO TELL YOU IT

No, it doesn't.  The athletes you quoted don't claim home run power comes from there either.  Don't you even read what you put up here?

WHICH MOST OF IT COMES FROM YOUR LEGS

Again, that is a baseball swing.  NOT a golf swing.  


I CAN PUMP IT 200 YARDS SO I KNOW WHAT IS WHAT. IT REQUIRES LEG POWER.

Then you have a bad swing.  I can drive the ball a mere 225 yards.  And I have a crappy swing.  If I ever learn to get a good weight shift down, I could add 50-100 yards to my drives.

THE WEAR IN TEAR FROM THE THRUST OF HIS SWING WORE HIS KNEES OUT.

Show me where that assessment was made.  No?  Didn't think so.

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HITTING A GOLF BALL OR HITTING FOR POWER

Care to support that with something besides your yelling?   Again, didn't think so.


HE TOOK UP BOXING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND GET BETTER MACANICS

Notice he didn't say to hit more home runs.


TRUST ME DUDE BOXING REQUIRES WHAT ROCKY DONE AN THEN SOME IT IS A SPORT THAT VERY HARD TO TRAIN FOR

Fine.  None of that challenges my statement that boxing is not baseball.

WELL MANY USE PART OF A BOXING REGIMES IN BASEBALL MOST US SOME KIND OF SPORT IN THE TRAINING.

Ever heard of cross training?  There are elements of some sports that can be used in others.  Many hockey players take figure skating lessons to learn to skate better.  It happens.


CHESS IS HARD AND MORE PHYICAL THEN YOU THINK IT IS.

Chess requires thinking.  It is not a hard game to play.  But depending on the level of your competition, it is a hard game to win.  The most physical aspect of it is sitting on your ass for the hours it takes to play the game.

THIS WILL BE MY LAST BIG POST EVER.

As I said before, they wouldn't be big if you would simply address the issues at hand and stop repeating EVERYTHING.  In this post, I had to pick and choose what I responded to because at least 70% of it was stuff I already addressed.  You should learn from that technique.

I REPEAT BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T AND NEVER WILL GET IT BUT IT ALL WELL IN GOOD. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE BODY MAYBE WHY YOU WAS A SWIMMING AND DONE NOTHING MORE MEANINGFUL IN SPORTS
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#21 | 1387 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I REPEAT BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T AND NEVER WILL GET IT BUT IT ALL WELL IN GOOD. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE BODY MAYBE WHY YOU WAS A SWIMMING AND DONE NOTHING MORE MEANINGFUL IN SPORTS
You repeat because you are incapable of responding to what was said to you.  You know you have nothing to support your point.  If you did, you could actually respond when someone questions you. 

Look at your above post.   You couldn't respond at all so you deflect and attack the sport I participated in years ago.  As if belittling what I took part in supports your moronic take on the subject.  It is your M.O.  You do it when someone makes valid points you don't like about your Yankys.  In my case, instead of supporting your team, you attack mine.  

You KNOW you have nothing.  Your response above is evidence of that.

Enjoy your bliss.
#22 | 1387 days ago

ML31 wrote:
You repeat because you are incapable of responding to what was said to you.  You know you have nothing to support your point.  If you did, you could actually respond when someone questions you. 

Look at your above post.   You couldn't respond at all so you deflect and attack the sport I participated in years ago.  As if belittling what I took part in supports your moronic take on the subject.  It is your M.O.  You do it when someone makes valid points you don't like about your Yankys.  In my case, instead of supporting your team, you attack mine.  

You KNOW you have nothing.  Your response above is evidence of that.

Enjoy your bliss.
But But you said the core has little to do with hitting a golf ball and I have shown by 4 PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES YOU WERE WRONG. As for you Legs they are important you legs takes so much Torque that is why TIGER HAD KNEE SURGERY. YOU EVER HEAR THE TERM YOU TRYING TO GET YOUR GOLF LEGS UNDER YOU. A GOOD SWING NEEDS A GOOD LOWER BODY.
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#23 | 1387 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
But But you said the core has little to do with hitting a golf ball and I have shown by 4 PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES YOU WERE WRONG. As for you Legs they are important you legs takes so much Torque that is why TIGER HAD KNEE SURGERY. YOU EVER HEAR THE TERM YOU TRYING TO GET YOUR GOLF LEGS UNDER YOU. A GOOD SWING NEEDS A GOOD LOWER BODY.
No, you cited 4 athletes who claimed to use core training as part of their workout to stay in good shape.  Nothing they said had anything to do with that particular training as being essential to their sport of choice.

In a golf swing, it is the back that takes the torque.  Not the legs.  The most commonly hurt part of the golfers body is the back.  But staying in good condition can alleviate that.
#24 | 1387 days ago

ML31 wrote:
No, you cited 4 athletes who claimed to use core training as part of their workout to stay in good shape.  Nothing they said had anything to do with that particular training as being essential to their sport of choice.

In a golf swing, it is the back that takes the torque.  Not the legs.  The most commonly hurt part of the golfers body is the back.  But staying in good condition can alleviate that.
THEY SAID THEY BECOME BETTER ATHLETES WHICH TELLS ME SOMETHING.
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#25 | 1387 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
THEY SAID THEY BECOME BETTER ATHLETES WHICH TELLS ME SOMETHING.
It tells me something to.  But it is not saying that kind of training is a specific necessity for any one particular sport.  Which is what you have been claiming.
#26 | 1387 days ago

ML31 wrote:
It tells me something to.  But it is not saying that kind of training is a specific necessity for any one particular sport.  Which is what you have been claiming.
Core Training is required or should be done for every single sport
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#27 | 1387 days ago

ML31 wrote:
It tells me something to.  But it is not saying that kind of training is a specific necessity for any one particular sport.  Which is what you have been claiming.
Like Sports every team is strongest from it center in most sports that like your body if your center is stronger your body will be
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#28 | 1387 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Core Training is required or should be done for every single sport
Well, it's not.
#29 | 1387 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Like Sports every team is strongest from it center in most sports that like your body if your center is stronger your body will be
Which might help you for some activities, and not for others.
#30 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Which might help you for some activities, and not for others.
Don't ever become an trainer. Why because you have no idea what it takes to become an athlete. NONE AT ALL. I SEE WHY YOU WAS ONLY A TRAINER SWIMMER AN ACTIVITY NO A SPORT. I BET EVEN MICHAEL PHILPS HAS A TRAINER WHO SHOWS HIM CORE TRAINING. EVERYONE I WORKED OUT WITH AN TRAINED HAD CORE TRAINING INVOLVE MANY WERE BASEBALL PLAYERS AND WHAT NOT DUDE.    


Core Strength Training For Athletic Performance

The muscles of the trunk and torso act to stabilize the spine, pelvis and shoulder girdle. From this solid, balanced base the limbs can be moved powerfully and under control. In fact before rapid movements of the extremities can take place, the central nervous system stabilizes the spine in anticipation (1). The rate at which the core muscles stabilize the spine may have a direct effect on the power of limb movement

Core strength training differs from many traditional weight training routines by working both the lower back and abdominals in unison. The same is true for the upper and lower body. All athletic movements incorporate the core in some way. Very few muscle groups are isolated. Instead the whole body works as a unit and core strength training endeavours to replicate this.

What are the benefits of core strength training to the athlete?

    *

      Greater efficiency     *of movement


      Improved body control and balance
    *

      Increased power output from both the core musculature and peripheral muscles such as the shoulders, arms and legs
    *

      Reduced risk of injury (the core muscles act as shock absorbers for jumps and rebounds etc.)
    *

      Improved balance and stability
    *

      Improved athletic performance!

WHICH ALL HELPS AN ATHLETES ON THE FIELD OR ON THE  COURTS. FACT IS TRAINING IS MUCH AS PART OF THE GAME AS THE GAME ITSELF. EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE HAS SOME TRAINER HE PAYS GREAT MONEY FOR.   EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE TRAINERS SHOW HIM CORE TRAINING BECAUSE REALLY IT IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF TRAINING FOR WHAT EVER SPORT YOUR PLAYING THE FACE IT I'M GLAD I NEVER BECAME A SWIMMER YOU DON'T TRAIN CORRECTLY. I BEEN TRAINING SOME WAY OVER 20 YEARS DUDE. I GOT MY FIRST WEIGHT SET AT AGE NINE DUDE. I USE TO DO HUNDREDS OF HUNDREDS OF EVERY KIND OF SITUP, CRUNCH AND WHAT NOT EVERY SINGLE DAY. I TRAINED PEOPLE THE SAME WAY. IN HIGH SCHOOL I WAS TRAINING FAT PEOPLE WHO TO WORKOUT. MOST IMPORTANLY     I TRAINED WITH THE UNITED STATES MARINES NO WAY IN HELL YOUR GOING TO TELL ME I'M WRONG AT SOMETHING WERE I CAN CONSIDER MYSELF A PROFESSIONAL.   YOU NO EVEN AN AMATUR TRAINER.   I THINK THAT WHAT YOU DO SAY SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT TELL SOMEONE WHO DONE IT FOR A LIVING WRONG WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN IDEA WHAT VITAMINS OR PED'S DO. FACE IT IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT SPORTS. BECAUSE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT AN ATHLETE DOES IS PROPER TRAINING. STRAIGHT UP DUDE.

MAYBE YOUR JOHN DALY A FAT FOOL THAT NOT HOW LIFE WORKS YOU CAN'T DRINK AND SMOKE CRAP ALL DAY.   HE DOESN'T WIN CRAP EITHER.

Core Strength Training For Reducing Back Problems & Injuries

Weak or poorly controlled core muscles have been associated with low back pain. The back muscles are responsible for movements such as extension and flexion of the spine and rotation of the trunk.

Excessive or uneven shock on the spine may lead to back problems. This may be exaggerated because weak core muscles lead to improper positioning or a forward tilt. In many exercises that use the back muscles, the abdominal muscles contract isometrically stabilizing the body.

The stronger and more correctly balanced the core muscles are, the less the uneven strain on the spine.
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#31 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Well, it's not.
I FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT BECAUSE YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT STUFF YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT. LOL I GET IT AND IT GET CRAZY YOU TELL ME I'M WRONG ON EVERYTHING WHEN FOR THE MOST PART YOUR CLEARLY WRONG. WELL ON THIS PART YOUR WRONG. ALL THE MAJOR SPORTS INVOLVE CORE STRAIGHT IN IT STRAIGHT UP.. BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A SWIMMER NOT MUCH FROM WHAT I CAN TELL STRAIGHT UP. F


I NEED TO STOP TRYING TO TEACH SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. YOU WILL NEVER SCHOOL ME IN THIS SUBJECT. YOU EVEN THINK PED'S DON'T EVEN WORK WHICH SHOWS YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER ABOUT CONDITION ADIOS FOR REAL THIS TIME. YOUR A SAD CASE. LEARN SOMETHING JOIN A GYM WHY DON'T YOU. DON'T TRAIN ANYONE PLEASE YOU WILL KILL THEM OR SHOW THEM THE WRONG WAY OF DOING THINGS.
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#32 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Don't ever become an trainer. Why because you have no idea what it takes to become an athlete. NONE AT ALL. I SEE WHY YOU WAS ONLY A TRAINER SWIMMER AN ACTIVITY NO A SPORT. I BET EVEN MICHAEL PHILPS HAS A TRAINER WHO SHOWS HIM CORE TRAINING. EVERYONE I WORKED OUT WITH AN TRAINED HAD CORE TRAINING INVOLVE MANY WERE BASEBALL PLAYERS AND WHAT NOT DUDE.    


Core Strength Training For Athletic Performance

The muscles of the trunk and torso act to stabilize the spine, pelvis and shoulder girdle. From this solid, balanced base the limbs can be moved powerfully and under control. In fact before rapid movements of the extremities can take place, the central nervous system stabilizes the spine in anticipation (1). The rate at which the core muscles stabilize the spine may have a direct effect on the power of limb movement

Core strength training differs from many traditional weight training routines by working both the lower back and abdominals in unison. The same is true for the upper and lower body. All athletic movements incorporate the core in some way. Very few muscle groups are isolated. Instead the whole body works as a unit and core strength training endeavours to replicate this.

What are the benefits of core strength training to the athlete?

    *

      Greater efficiency     *of movement


      Improved body control and balance
    *

      Increased power output from both the core musculature and peripheral muscles such as the shoulders, arms and legs
    *

      Reduced risk of injury (the core muscles act as shock absorbers for jumps and rebounds etc.)
    *

      Improved balance and stability
    *

      Improved athletic performance!

WHICH ALL HELPS AN ATHLETES ON THE FIELD OR ON THE  COURTS. FACT IS TRAINING IS MUCH AS PART OF THE GAME AS THE GAME ITSELF. EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE HAS SOME TRAINER HE PAYS GREAT MONEY FOR.   EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE TRAINERS SHOW HIM CORE TRAINING BECAUSE REALLY IT IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF TRAINING FOR WHAT EVER SPORT YOUR PLAYING THE FACE IT I'M GLAD I NEVER BECAME A SWIMMER YOU DON'T TRAIN CORRECTLY. I BEEN TRAINING SOME WAY OVER 20 YEARS DUDE. I GOT MY FIRST WEIGHT SET AT AGE NINE DUDE. I USE TO DO HUNDREDS OF HUNDREDS OF EVERY KIND OF SITUP, CRUNCH AND WHAT NOT EVERY SINGLE DAY. I TRAINED PEOPLE THE SAME WAY. IN HIGH SCHOOL I WAS TRAINING FAT PEOPLE WHO TO WORKOUT. MOST IMPORTANLY     I TRAINED WITH THE UNITED STATES MARINES NO WAY IN HELL YOUR GOING TO TELL ME I'M WRONG AT SOMETHING WERE I CAN CONSIDER MYSELF A PROFESSIONAL.   YOU NO EVEN AN AMATUR TRAINER.   I THINK THAT WHAT YOU DO SAY SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT TELL SOMEONE WHO DONE IT FOR A LIVING WRONG WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN IDEA WHAT VITAMINS OR PED'S DO. FACE IT IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT SPORTS. BECAUSE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT AN ATHLETE DOES IS PROPER TRAINING. STRAIGHT UP DUDE.

MAYBE YOUR JOHN DALY A FAT FOOL THAT NOT HOW LIFE WORKS YOU CAN'T DRINK AND SMOKE CRAP ALL DAY.   HE DOESN'T WIN CRAP EITHER.

Core Strength Training For Reducing Back Problems & Injuries

Weak or poorly controlled core muscles have been associated with low back pain. The back muscles are responsible for movements such as extension and flexion of the spine and rotation of the trunk.

Excessive or uneven shock on the spine may lead to back problems. This may be exaggerated because weak core muscles lead to improper positioning or a forward tilt. In many exercises that use the back muscles, the abdominal muscles contract isometrically stabilizing the body.

The stronger and more correctly balanced the core muscles are, the less the uneven strain on the spine.
See?   There you go again.  The first thing you did was NOT to defend your position or explain it better.  You went straight to attacking a sport I took part in years and years ago.

Nobody cares what sport you may or may not have taken part in.  That doesn't make you an expert on the subject.  It doesn't even make you knowledgeable on it.

Here's a thought...  Instead of wasting time and space on worthless lengthy posts, why not provide some sort of link to something supporting what you claimed? 

PS...  I noticed your posts got deleted.  I guess that means your claim of an earlier one being your "last lengthy post" was as accurate as the rest of your posts....
#33 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT BECAUSE YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT STUFF YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT. LOL I GET IT AND IT GET CRAZY YOU TELL ME I'M WRONG ON EVERYTHING WHEN FOR THE MOST PART YOUR CLEARLY WRONG. WELL ON THIS PART YOUR WRONG. ALL THE MAJOR SPORTS INVOLVE CORE STRAIGHT IN IT STRAIGHT UP.. BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A SWIMMER NOT MUCH FROM WHAT I CAN TELL STRAIGHT UP. F


I NEED TO STOP TRYING TO TEACH SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. YOU WILL NEVER SCHOOL ME IN THIS SUBJECT. YOU EVEN THINK PED'S DON'T EVEN WORK WHICH SHOWS YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER ABOUT CONDITION ADIOS FOR REAL THIS TIME. YOUR A SAD CASE. LEARN SOMETHING JOIN A GYM WHY DON'T YOU. DON'T TRAIN ANYONE PLEASE YOU WILL KILL THEM OR SHOW THEM THE WRONG WAY OF DOING THINGS.
Actually, if I don't know something, I will come right out and say it.  Unlike you, who claim to be an expert on everything you write about.  Which is really funny because must of what you write is demonstrably false.  So much so that there is no need to even provide links or make explanations to prove it.  It is self evident to anyone who reads what you write.

Once again, why oh why do you keep saying that I said steroids don't work?  I never ever ever made that claim.
How can one expect to take what you say seriously when you cannot seem to comprehend something so blatantly simple?  You misinterpret what is said here ALL THE TIME.  It leads the reader to think you misinterpret what you read everywhere else, too.
#34 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
See?   There you go again.  The first thing you did was NOT to defend your position or explain it better.  You went straight to attacking a sport I took part in years and years ago.

Nobody cares what sport you may or may not have taken part in.  That doesn't make you an expert on the subject.  It doesn't even make you knowledgeable on it.

Here's a thought...  Instead of wasting time and space on worthless lengthy posts, why not provide some sort of link to something supporting what you claimed? 

PS...  I noticed your posts got deleted.  I guess that means your claim of an earlier one being your "last lengthy post" was as accurate as the rest of your posts....
Let me make it look like this. You body is like dominos. You place one in front of the other correctly you tap the Domino and it should fall into the other domino evenly and correctly. But it you misplace only one it doesn't work as well.  As much as you say a players golf swing doesn't need core training to the hips don't help you hit a golf ball correctly you need to have a correct stance if you don't you will not hit the ball off the T correctly best way to do that is to have a strong complete body.

Same with baseball, basketball and other sports you need aliment from you head to your toes if it not right your not going to do so will. That is really for sure with Baseball and sometimes it take conditioning to do so posture is the most important part of a swing if that is wrong your not going to hit correctly.



You entire body is involve in what ever your trying to do a golf ball, throw a football, swim, ride a bike even if it doesn't seam like its not. Alot of a golf swing involves your biggest muscle on your body your ass which is part of the leg group. But even if you make everything strong if you don't stand right you will fail what ever your trying to do. You need balance in what ever your doing for the most part.
Yes  
#35 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Actually, if I don't know something, I will come right out and say it.  Unlike you, who claim to be an expert on everything you write about.  Which is really funny because must of what you write is demonstrably false.  So much so that there is no need to even provide links or make explanations to prove it.  It is self evident to anyone who reads what you write.

Once again, why oh why do you keep saying that I said steroids don't work?  I never ever ever made that claim.
How can one expect to take what you say seriously when you cannot seem to comprehend something so blatantly simple?  You misinterpret what is said here ALL THE TIME.  It leads the reader to think you misinterpret what you read everywhere else, too.
I use PED's not steroids because the problem is larger then that group of drugs. Well much of what I said what written or said years ago and I don't wanna take the time to look for shit years ago. Like with the commisioners saying they want team's in other areas they do they said it on pod cast and every I don't feel like looking for the interviews. David said a few years ago in about 15-20 years from now when travel get better which it will jets are going to get better he want team's in other country but it too logitical right. Same thing with Bud he does also but same thing travel is to much. They will test areas out sooner or later they do when they play in other countries.       It not to waste someones home games but it too see the future of the sport. Bud won't be part of much of it but it is the future of all sports. NHL i think would do it for sure and it is easy.    You say that all the best athletes in the United States already. Maybe no like not all the oil is found yet. You can have some place in the world were athletes are hidden never know over 6 billion people I would figure many of the athletes that would be great aren't even found yet.
Yes  
#36 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Actually, if I don't know something, I will come right out and say it.  Unlike you, who claim to be an expert on everything you write about.  Which is really funny because must of what you write is demonstrably false.  So much so that there is no need to even provide links or make explanations to prove it.  It is self evident to anyone who reads what you write.

Once again, why oh why do you keep saying that I said steroids don't work?  I never ever ever made that claim.
How can one expect to take what you say seriously when you cannot seem to comprehend something so blatantly simple?  You misinterpret what is said here ALL THE TIME.  It leads the reader to think you misinterpret what you read everywhere else, too.
Athletes don't wanna be on a plane going to Japan for 36 hours the future jets will be able to get to Japan in 2/3 of the time. A jet takes 8 hours to go from NY to LA some planes right know can take only a couple ours to do. Not enough time for jet lag. They build many of them up the road from me. Well near you at Area 51 also I don't know how far you are from Area 51
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#37 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Let me make it look like this. You body is like dominos. You place one in front of the other correctly you tap the Domino and it should fall into the other domino evenly and correctly. But it you misplace only one it doesn't work as well.  As much as you say a players golf swing doesn't need core training to the hips don't help you hit a golf ball correctly you need to have a correct stance if you don't you will not hit the ball off the T correctly best way to do that is to have a strong complete body.

Same with baseball, basketball and other sports you need aliment from you head to your toes if it not right your not going to do so will. That is really for sure with Baseball and sometimes it take conditioning to do so posture is the most important part of a swing if that is wrong your not going to hit correctly.



You entire body is involve in what ever your trying to do a golf ball, throw a football, swim, ride a bike even if it doesn't seam like its not. Alot of a golf swing involves your biggest muscle on your body your ass which is part of the leg group. But even if you make everything strong if you don't stand right you will fail what ever your trying to do. You need balance in what ever your doing for the most part.
Fine.  Go with the domino analogy.  However, for different sports the dominoes are set up differently. 

The rest of your post set a record for you.  It was actually written in a way that was readable and (stunner) actually makes sense!

Which also means to goes against just about every point you made earlier.

I'm also stunned you knew what the largest muscle in the body was.
#38 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I use PED's not steroids because the problem is larger then that group of drugs. Well much of what I said what written or said years ago and I don't wanna take the time to look for shit years ago. Like with the commisioners saying they want team's in other areas they do they said it on pod cast and every I don't feel like looking for the interviews. David said a few years ago in about 15-20 years from now when travel get better which it will jets are going to get better he want team's in other country but it too logitical right. Same thing with Bud he does also but same thing travel is to much. They will test areas out sooner or later they do when they play in other countries.       It not to waste someones home games but it too see the future of the sport. Bud won't be part of much of it but it is the future of all sports. NHL i think would do it for sure and it is easy.    You say that all the best athletes in the United States already. Maybe no like not all the oil is found yet. You can have some place in the world were athletes are hidden never know over 6 billion people I would figure many of the athletes that would be great aren't even found yet.
Here's the thing...  Assuming you are honest when you say you did indeed use PED's and you feel they worked for you...  It is quite possible they did.  Depending on what you were taking them for.  Remember, they do work for a specific cause.  They are not catch all magic pills that make someone better at whatever athletic endeavour they attempt.

Once again, I have to repeat myself because you just either aren't getting it or are simply ignoring what is said.  If what you claim the Commissioner said is true, then it shouldn't be hard to find on line.  It doesn't have to be a pod cast.  It can be an article.  If it was something he was trying to spear head, then he wouldn't mention it to one and only one media outlet.  He would speak of it quite often.  He would be asked about it quite often.  It should be very easy to find.  I will not look for it because I have no reason to think it exists.  You made the claim.  You need to find the citation for it.
Bud Selig have NEVER claimed he wanted to put expansion teams outside of North America.  Never ever ever.

I think it safe to say that I have a better feel for the goings on in the NHL than you do, as you have constantly put it down only because it is a sport you personally do not care for.  I can tell you that the NHL has had absolutely no talk of further expansion in the forseeable future.  No one from the Commissioners office or any league official has mentioned anything about the NHL permanently placing teams overseas.  THE END.

I never said all the best athletes are in the USA.  I said the world's best baseball basketball and hockey players are playing the the USA and Canada.  That is where the top league in the world for those sports are.  Just as the best footballers all play in the top Euro Leagues.  This, of course, is the KNOWN athletes.  There very well could be people anywhere who never tapped into their athletic talent to be discovered.  Who knows?  The next Barry Bonds could be out there somewhere but because he never happened to pick up a bat never got to realize his potential.
#39 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Athletes don't wanna be on a plane going to Japan for 36 hours the future jets will be able to get to Japan in 2/3 of the time. A jet takes 8 hours to go from NY to LA some planes right know can take only a couple ours to do. Not enough time for jet lag. They build many of them up the road from me. Well near you at Area 51 also I don't know how far you are from Area 51
You are talking about logistics.  Which is why I have said overseas teams in North American sports leagues will not happen.  Further, there are untapped viable markets here in North America that will get used well before anyone even thinks of putting a team overseas.  And then, of course, there is the problem with rival leagues.  They wouldn't take to kindly to any US league bullying in to their territory.

Last time I flew coast to coast, it didn't take 8 hours.  You are looking at around 5 to 5 1/2 hours.  I suppose it could be considered 8 if you count time spent in the airport dealing with TSA and other annoyances.

Area 51 is not an aircraft assembly facility.  It's an Air Force facility in Nevada.  It has significance depending on how much of a conspiracy buff you are.  And it would take me about 10 or 11 hours to dive out there.
#40 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
You are talking about logistics.  Which is why I have said overseas teams in North American sports leagues will not happen.  Further, there are untapped viable markets here in North America that will get used well before anyone even thinks of putting a team overseas.  And then, of course, there is the problem with rival leagues.  They wouldn't take to kindly to any US league bullying in to their territory.

Last time I flew coast to coast, it didn't take 8 hours.  You are looking at around 5 to 5 1/2 hours.  I suppose it could be considered 8 if you count time spent in the airport dealing with TSA and other annoyances.

Area 51 is not an aircraft assembly facility.  It's an Air Force facility in Nevada.  It has significance depending on how much of a conspiracy buff you are.  And it would take me about 10 or 11 hours to dive out there.
TRUST ME THEY HAVE PLANES THAT CAN MAKE IT FROM NY TO LA IN 2 HOURS.   THAT IS FAST. AN SHUTTLE CAN MAKE IT IN A SECOND GOING 25000 AN HOUR DURING LIFT OFF
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#41 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
TRUST ME THEY HAVE PLANES THAT CAN MAKE IT FROM NY TO LA IN 2 HOURS.   THAT IS FAST. AN SHUTTLE CAN MAKE IT IN A SECOND GOING 25000 AN HOUR DURING LIFT OFF
Please tell me you aren't being serious.

You know, the SR-71 was not a passenger carrier, right?  It made the coast to coast flight in about 68 minutes.

I don't even know how to address your idea of using Space Shuttle rockets to move pro teams across the country....   It's that inane.
#42 | 1386 days ago

They will someday have high speed charters aircraft that travels outside the atmosphere within 20 years or so fast that it would make a lot of high speed military aircraft.
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#43 | 1386 days ago

There already were super sonic transports back in the '70's.  Didn't work out very well.  They were expensive and VERY noisy.

Not saying a better version won't pop up in the future.  Just that even if such transports existed today there would not be any overseas expansion teams.

I'm not saying overseas expansion won't happen either.  Only that it is a lot further away than you seem to think.  There are too many problems with doing it.  More than just ease of travel.
#44 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
There already were super sonic transports back in the '70's.  Didn't work out very well.  They were expensive and VERY noisy.

Not saying a better version won't pop up in the future.  Just that even if such transports existed today there would not be any overseas expansion teams.

I'm not saying overseas expansion won't happen either.  Only that it is a lot further away than you seem to think.  There are too many problems with doing it.  More than just ease of travel.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080523

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321620-major-league-baseball-to-play-global-world-series

Fifty years ago, the Dodgers and Giants moved from New York to the West Coast, transforming the senior circuit into a truly national league, making Walter O'Malley a very hated man and, most importantly, paving the way for the Famous Chicken. A half century later, with 15 Japanese players in America this season and more following, with U.S. teams playing regular season games in Tokyo and with David Stern talking about the NBA expanding to Europe, it's time for Major League Baseball to likewise consider expanding across the Pacific to Asia.


This one is about David Stern
http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/448510-david-stern-envisions-five-team-european-division-within-10-years.html
SO YOUR WERE WRONG ABOUT DAVID STERN YOU ARE FOR SURE ABOUT NBA MUST BE WRONG ABOUT MLB


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D32%26t%3D1062585&rct=j&q=David%20Stern%20Wants%20Basketball%20teams%20in%20europe&ei=zGf5TNOgDYednAeQwOylCQ&usg=AFQjCNFLtSeOLDVZQAGrS_bFbgJSJdNQIw&sig2=PFgD-mOZSgjznfPCYxRvaQ&cad=rja


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321620-major-league-baseball-to-play-global-world-series t
this talks about Bud Wanting a Global World Series

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGYQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmlb.mlb.com%2Fmlb%2Finternational%2Fmlbi_index.jsp&rct=j&q=Global%20Major%20Leagues%20Baseball&ei=w2j5TP6eB8vOnAes2PTrCA&usg=AFQjCNH9R9K2jk6eU8YJOL-UXZPZpnb30Q&sig2=OFr4ID9ljMHLhu6Mw7ycDw&cad=rja
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#45 | 1386 days ago

(Edited by TatsuKlinga2812812)
ML31 wrote:
There already were super sonic transports back in the '70's.  Didn't work out very well.  They were expensive and VERY noisy.

Not saying a better version won't pop up in the future.  Just that even if such transports existed today there would not be any overseas expansion teams.

I'm not saying overseas expansion won't happen either.  Only that it is a lot further away than you seem to think.  There are too many problems with doing it.  More than just ease of travel.
Well they talk about overseas travel not being so bad. It takes only 8 hours to get to Japan from LA and it takes about the same to go from Boston or New York to Europe so it not that bad at all if you have say the NY team playing a series in LA before they like go too Japan.  IT don't sound so bad really.




IF THERE ARE MAJOR LEAGUE READY STADIUMS IN JAPAN ALREADY WHO SAYS THAT MLB TEAM'S COULDN'T RENT FROM THE TEAM THEMSELVES TO HAVE A MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM.
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#46 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080523

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321620-major-league-baseball-to-play-global-world-series

Fifty years ago, the Dodgers and Giants moved from New York to the West Coast, transforming the senior circuit into a truly national league, making Walter O'Malley a very hated man and, most importantly, paving the way for the Famous Chicken. A half century later, with 15 Japanese players in America this season and more following, with U.S. teams playing regular season games in Tokyo and with David Stern talking about the NBA expanding to Europe, it's time for Major League Baseball to likewise consider expanding across the Pacific to Asia.


This one is about David Stern
http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/448510-david-stern-envisions-five-team-european-division-within-10-years.html
SO YOUR WERE WRONG ABOUT DAVID STERN YOU ARE FOR SURE ABOUT NBA MUST BE WRONG ABOUT MLB


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D32%26t%3D1062585&rct=j&q=David%20Stern%20Wants%20Basketball%20teams%20in%20europe&ei=zGf5TNOgDYednAeQwOylCQ&usg=AFQjCNFLtSeOLDVZQAGrS_bFbgJSJdNQIw&sig2=PFgD-mOZSgjznfPCYxRvaQ&cad=rja


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321620-major-league-baseball-to-play-global-world-series t
this talks about Bud Wanting a Global World Series

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGYQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmlb.mlb.com%2Fmlb%2Finternational%2Fmlbi_index.jsp&rct=j&q=Global%20Major%20Leagues%20Baseball&ei=w2j5TP6eB8vOnAes2PTrCA&usg=AFQjCNH9R9K2jk6eU8YJOL-UXZPZpnb30Q&sig2=OFr4ID9ljMHLhu6Mw7ycDw&cad=rja
Nice.  You found something.  The ESPN page was 2 years old, but at least it is something.  However, I think that if you had to dig back two years to find an opinion piece by some writer, then you really don't have much of a foundation for your take.

Another article was yet another blog.  Not anything connected to MLB.  Just some guy's opinion.  And in that blog, he also pointed out the problems with overseas expansion.  One of which, is that players currently don't like going to Canada to play and some even have clauses in their contracts stating that they do not get traded to Canadian teams.  Imagine how many players WON'T want to play in Japan.

The Stern link was amusing.  It does show that Stern has mentioned it and the idea of teams overseas has been on his mind.  But, it also shows how he admits how wrong he was about the timetable.  It was funny because it quotes Stern himself as saying that 10 years ago he said there would be overseas teams withing 10 years.  And ten years later he has found himself STILL saying that.  So again, it doesn't really support your take on it.  At least Stern has admitted his timetable on when it will happen has been wrong.  Which is more than can be said about your take on the matter.

The other links were duplicates.  And one was just a link to the WBC.  Not sure what your point there was or why you doubled up on your links.  Was it to make it look like there were more than just a couple?
#47 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Well they talk about overseas travel not being so bad. It takes only 8 hours to get to Japan from LA and it takes about the same to go from Boston or New York to Europe so it not that bad at all if you have say the NY team playing a series in LA before they like go too Japan.  IT don't sound so bad really.




IF THERE ARE MAJOR LEAGUE READY STADIUMS IN JAPAN ALREADY WHO SAYS THAT MLB TEAM'S COULDN'T RENT FROM THE TEAM THEMSELVES TO HAVE A MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM.
You know who says?  The Japanese teams do.  It seems logical that they would not want MLB teams horning in on their territory.  At least, not without some heavy payouts. 

Besides, you seem hung up on travel times.  The style of travel will be luxurious for those players.  They travel well already.  Overseas trips would be a lot longer.  It is one thing to adapt to a 3 hour time difference.  Quite another to adapt to a 17 hour one.  For basketball or hockey. it would be a tad easier to schedule games.  The NHL does it already but they do it only with like the first two games of the season.  Doing the Euro swing mid season or a couple of times would become problematic at best.  And you can forget about MLB teams going to Japan mid season.  The season is already really long.  The extra time needed to go there and back would just suck too many days out of an already crowded schedule.  And you know how much MLB abhors playing double headers or scaling back the regular season.  Nothing that causes teams to get a dime less will ever be considered.

International play is kind of a fun idea.  But the fact is, we are still decades away from making it work.  There are pressing domestic issues in most leagues they must deal with before all that.

The funny thing is, the league that is most capable of handling international teams is the NFL.  The once a week nature of their game makes scheduling and travel very very easy for them.  Their problem is that their game is ONLY popular in the USA.  Nobody outside the US gives a crap about "American" football.  At best, they can stage one international game a year.  It will satisfy the Americans who are overseas already who wish to catch a game and the handful of locals who are curious about this American version.  Beyond that, there just isn't any interest.
#48 | 1386 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Nice.  You found something.  The ESPN page was 2 years old, but at least it is something.  However, I think that if you had to dig back two years to find an opinion piece by some writer, then you really don't have much of a foundation for your take.

Another article was yet another blog.  Not anything connected to MLB.  Just some guy's opinion.  And in that blog, he also pointed out the problems with overseas expansion.  One of which, is that players currently don't like going to Canada to play and some even have clauses in their contracts stating that they do not get traded to Canadian teams.  Imagine how many players WON'T want to play in Japan.

The Stern link was amusing.  It does show that Stern has mentioned it and the idea of teams overseas has been on his mind.  But, it also shows how he admits how wrong he was about the timetable.  It was funny because it quotes Stern himself as saying that 10 years ago he said there would be overseas teams withing 10 years.  And ten years later he has found himself STILL saying that.  So again, it doesn't really support your take on it.  At least Stern has admitted his timetable on when it will happen has been wrong.  Which is more than can be said about your take on the matter.

The other links were duplicates.  And one was just a link to the WBC.  Not sure what your point there was or why you doubled up on your links.  Was it to make it look like there were more than just a couple?
I said it was a few years ago. I say in 10 years NBA will first swim in the water first then NHL since is broker then crap. MLB will then they need buildings you can put Basketball anywhere MLB you can not do so
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#49 | 1386 days ago

(Edited by ML31)
TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I said it was a few years ago. I say in 10 years NBA will first swim in the water first then NHL since is broker then crap. MLB will then they need buildings you can put Basketball anywhere MLB you can not do so
Who says the NHL is broke?  Where did you pull that one from?  The NHL is doing pretty well, thank you.  Thanks to the salary cap the brought in 6 years ago.  (For the record, a salary cap saved the NBA about 30 years ago too.  That league was on the verge of folding were it not for their cap.)

Funny that you say in 10 years the NBA will be international.  According to the very link you yourself provided, Stern said the same thing.  12 years ago.

I will wager you ANYTHING that the NBA or NHL will NOT have any teams based outside of North America before their 2020-2021 seasons.

ANYTHING.
#50 | 1386 days ago

NO SELF RESPECTING PERSON CARES ABOUT HOCKEY LOL. THEY ARE ON SOME BS CHANNEL. NBA IS ON TNT WERE SOME OF THE BEST RATED SHOW ARE AT.

DEF NOT NHL BECAUSE HOCKEY IS JUNK. BASKETBALL GROWING JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
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#51 | 1386 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
NO SELF RESPECTING PERSON CARES ABOUT HOCKEY LOL. THEY ARE ON SOME BS CHANNEL. NBA IS ON TNT WERE SOME OF THE BEST RATED SHOW ARE AT.

DEF NOT NHL BECAUSE HOCKEY IS JUNK. BASKETBALL GROWING JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
You know, just because you don't care for it doesn't mean it is crap.  It is merely a preference.  You are a sports bigot.

Nothing wrong with Versus.  Their coverage is fine.  I have no idea what channel the NBA is on.  

Nothing on TNT gets high ratings.  Nothing.  The worst show on the worst over the air network gets better ratings than anything on TNT.  I say that even though there is one show I actually watch on TNT.  Rescue Me.  Apart from that, I wouldn't even know TNT existed.

Basketball is growing but it is hard to get any lower than they were after Jordan retired.  They are pinning all their hopes on this Lebron dude.  Which in my humble opinion has always been a mistake.  Not just for pimping Lebron but for the practice of blowing up the players over the teams or the game itself.  For reasons I'm sure you will not understand so I won't bother to go into them here.
#52 | 1386 days ago

Bigot Hockey a Bigot sport I don't see any black people on it.

Versus stinks. NBA on ABC at least.

Michael Jordan was an once in a life time player and the lockout happened also but they are doing good and getting better. Lebron is a joke. But better athlete then those hockey chumps.

As soon as I see some kind of color in hockey I might watch it.
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#53 | 1385 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Bigot Hockey a Bigot sport I don't see any black people on it.

Versus stinks. NBA on ABC at least.

Michael Jordan was an once in a life time player and the lockout happened also but they are doing good and getting better. Lebron is a joke. But better athlete then those hockey chumps.

As soon as I see some kind of color in hockey I might watch it.
No racism in hockey.  Anyone who can play is welcome.  Anyone.

Nothing wrong with VS.  The NHL is on NBC, too.

Ever since the NBA started pimping players over teams or the game, there was usually one, maybe two guys in the league who they centered everything around.  Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and now James.  Sorry you don't like that but that is the way it is.

There is plenty of color in hockey.  You are just too racist to see it.  There are Americans, Canadians, Swedes, Czechs, Fins, Germans, even Koreans and Japanese.  In the NHL, color is merely something on your sweater.  Nothing more.

You are revealing yourself to be a racist.  Do you really want that?
#54 | 1385 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Bigot Hockey a Bigot sport I don't see any black people on it.

Versus stinks. NBA on ABC at least.

Michael Jordan was an once in a life time player and the lockout happened also but they are doing good and getting better. Lebron is a joke. But better athlete then those hockey chumps.

As soon as I see some kind of color in hockey I might watch it.
I'm not Racist at all. LOL THAT IS JUST STUPID. EVERY SPORT PIMPS THE PLAYER LOL THAT IS STUPID.
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#55 | 1385 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I'm not Racist at all. LOL THAT IS JUST STUPID. EVERY SPORT PIMPS THE PLAYER LOL THAT IS STUPID.
Could have fooled any reader of your posts...

No, not every sport pimps their players.  At least not to the extent the NBA does.  With them, it's not about the team or the game.  It's all about the player.  Just look at how the slam dunk has evolved...
The NFL sure as hell doesn't.  No one know who those guys are!
#56 | 1385 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Could have fooled any reader of your posts...

No, not every sport pimps their players.  At least not to the extent the NBA does.  With them, it's not about the team or the game.  It's all about the player.  Just look at how the slam dunk has evolved...
The NFL sure as hell doesn't.  No one know who those guys are!
THREE of the most famous athletes World Side ever in America ever were African American. You know the three athletes well I think you should know. I be shocked if you did. NFL always about the QB they promote the QB crazy. MLB promotes every big player they can. Well at least the Yankees do. But not many players can even calm to being as famous as Michael Jordan. Maybe the most famous athlete in World from baseball has been dead for decades. Ali alive but sick so.
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#57 | 1385 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Could have fooled any reader of your posts...

No, not every sport pimps their players.  At least not to the extent the NBA does.  With them, it's not about the team or the game.  It's all about the player.  Just look at how the slam dunk has evolved...
The NFL sure as hell doesn't.  No one know who those guys are!
ALL I EVER HEARD OF IN HOCKEY IS THAT COSBY GUY
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#58 | 1385 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
ALL I EVER HEARD OF IN HOCKEY IS THAT COSBY GUY
Understandable because you purposefully avoid all things hockey. 

But, at least I know a little something about most sports.  Even the ones I don't care for that much.  I doubt you ever even gave hockey a chance because of your bigotry.
#59 | 1385 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
ALL I EVER HEARD OF IN HOCKEY IS THAT COSBY GUY
I have an Minor League hockey team in my city I seen a few games.
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#60 | 1385 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Understandable because you purposefully avoid all things hockey. 

But, at least I know a little something about most sports.  Even the ones I don't care for that much.  I doubt you ever even gave hockey a chance because of your bigotry.
THREE of the most famous athletes World Side ever in America ever were African American. You know the three athletes well I think you should know. I be shocked if you did. NFL always about the QB they promote the QB crazy. MLB promotes every big player they can. Well at least the Yankees do. But not many players can even calm to being as famous as Michael Jordan. Maybe the most famous athlete in World from baseball has been dead for decades. Ali alive but sick so.
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#61 | 1385 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I have an Minor League hockey team in my city I seen a few games.
I doubt that.  People who speak about hockey like you do are either racist or purposely avoid everything about the game.  As if they are affraid they might like it if they actually watched it.
#62 | 1385 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
THREE of the most famous athletes World Side ever in America ever were African American. You know the three athletes well I think you should know. I be shocked if you did. NFL always about the QB they promote the QB crazy. MLB promotes every big player they can. Well at least the Yankees do. But not many players can even calm to being as famous as Michael Jordan. Maybe the most famous athlete in World from baseball has been dead for decades. Ali alive but sick so.
Yes 
Right now I would guess the most famous athletes world wide, in no particular order, would be Tiger Woods, Usain Bolt, David Beckham, Lionel Mesi, Cristiano Ronaldo, and perhaps Roger Federer.  Only one of which is African American.  Hell, only one of them is even American.
All time?  My guess would be, in no particular order...  Jordan, Ali, Lance Armstrong, Pele and perhaps Tiger Woods.

The QB is usually the only player anyone can name.  But few can spot their faces.  The NFL doesn't really promote them anyway.  They tend to promote themselves.  MLB has recently started leaning towards promoting players.  But that is a mistake.  One of many mistakes MLB has been making in the last 20 years.

Looking back at your post, I don't really know what your point was.  Why did you have to make this about race?  Are you THAT racist?
#63 | 1384 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Right now I would guess the most famous athletes world wide, in no particular order, would be Tiger Woods, Usain Bolt, David Beckham, Lionel Mesi, Cristiano Ronaldo, and perhaps Roger Federer.  Only one of which is African American.  Hell, only one of them is even American.
All time?  My guess would be, in no particular order...  Jordan, Ali, Lance Armstrong, Pele and perhaps Tiger Woods.

The QB is usually the only player anyone can name.  But few can spot their faces.  The NFL doesn't really promote them anyway.  They tend to promote themselves.  MLB has recently started leaning towards promoting players.  But that is a mistake.  One of many mistakes MLB has been making in the last 20 years.

Looking back at your post, I don't really know what your point was.  Why did you have to make this about race?  Are you THAT racist?
Kobe Bryant is pretty well known. The William Sisters are well known.
Tiger Woods and Usain Bolt both Africa, people should know who is Josh Phelps is he is the male record holder and should become the all time record holder in olympic gold medals.. 


All Time is Michael Jordan, Ali, Lance Armstrong, Woods I promise many people know who is Babe Ruth. You don't even put no ladys down. Womens tennis is far better then mens. Women Gymnastics are better also.
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#64 | 1384 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Kobe Bryant is pretty well known. The William Sisters are well known.
Tiger Woods and Usain Bolt both Africa, people should know who is Josh Phelps is he is the male record holder and should become the all time record holder in olympic gold medals.. 


All Time is Michael Jordan, Ali, Lance Armstrong, Woods I promise many people know who is Babe Ruth. You don't even put no ladys down. Womens tennis is far better then mens. Women Gymnastics are better also.
Kobe is known in the US.  Not so much world wide.  Never claimed the Williams sisters weren't well known.   However, male athletes, like it or not, unfairly or not, just get more recognition than females do.  It's just a fact.  Bolt is not African American.  He is Jamaican.  Phelps may indeed be the record holder, but right now more people world wide know Bolt rather than Phelps.  But, that sort of thing is fleeting.  It could change at the next Olympic Games.  Where runners get seen.

The problem Ruth had, and is a disadvantage for every one of the old time athletes...  Is the era they played in.  First of all, Ruth played baseball.  A sport popular pretty much only in America at the time.  Japan knew of him because they were just learning the game then.  But the rest of the world?  Didn't care.

Your opinion of women's tennis compared to mens doesn't change the perception or noteriety of the players.  Just because you prefer women's tennis to men's, doesn't mean the world does.  Gymnastics is one of those rare sports where the women's side dominates.  But they just aren't as famous as the men in other, more popular sports...  World Wide, that is.  I'm sure there are places where women gymnasts are highly revered and well known.  But I thought you were talking WORLD WIDE. 
#65 | 1384 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Kobe is known in the US.  Not so much world wide.  Never claimed the Williams sisters weren't well known.   However, male athletes, like it or not, unfairly or not, just get more recognition than females do.  It's just a fact.  Bolt is not African American.  He is Jamaican.  Phelps may indeed be the record holder, but right now more people world wide know Bolt rather than Phelps.  But, that sort of thing is fleeting.  It could change at the next Olympic Games.  Where runners get seen.

The problem Ruth had, and is a disadvantage for every one of the old time athletes...  Is the era they played in.  First of all, Ruth played baseball.  A sport popular pretty much only in America at the time.  Japan knew of him because they were just learning the game then.  But the rest of the world?  Didn't care.

Your opinion of women's tennis compared to mens doesn't change the perception or noteriety of the players.  Just because you prefer women's tennis to men's, doesn't mean the world does.  Gymnastics is one of those rare sports where the women's side dominates.  But they just aren't as famous as the men in other, more popular sports...  World Wide, that is.  I'm sure there are places where women gymnasts are highly revered and well known.  But I thought you were talking WORLD WIDE. 
I said Bolt was African.   Kobe is Huge in Japan.  He was named after the famous meat how can he not be. Plus is stuff sells through the roof straight up dude. You don't know Europe most basketball players are well know since most in the US are from Europe. You cam say Europe is Basketball latin America to Baseball. It is huge over in Europe why Stern want to go to Japan. I like Tennis better then Hockey but I'm not mad over Tennis. The Girls are sexy but you wouldn't know anything about that would you.

Most American Athletes are big in Japan they worship American Sports in JAPAN WAS DISCOVERY OR THE LEARNING CHANNEL. RUTH MADE BASEBALL FAMOUS IN JAPAN HE WAS HUGE IN JAPAN.

A USE PAIR OF JORDANS GO FOR OVER A GRAND USED SHOES DUDE SHOWS WHAT IS UP
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#66 | 1384 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I said Bolt was African.   Kobe is Huge in Japan.  He was named after the famous meat how can he not be. Plus is stuff sells through the roof straight up dude. You don't know Europe most basketball players are well know since most in the US are from Europe. You cam say Europe is Basketball latin America to Baseball. It is huge over in Europe why Stern want to go to Japan. I like Tennis better then Hockey but I'm not mad over Tennis. The Girls are sexy but you wouldn't know anything about that would you.

Most American Athletes are big in Japan they worship American Sports in JAPAN WAS DISCOVERY OR THE LEARNING CHANNEL. RUTH MADE BASEBALL FAMOUS IN JAPAN HE WAS HUGE IN JAPAN.

A USE PAIR OF JORDANS GO FOR OVER A GRAND USED SHOES DUDE SHOWS WHAT IS UP
You are wrong.  Bolt is from Jamaica.  Not Africa.  More Japanese people know Kobe the city than Kobe the basketball player. 
Basketball is not "huge" in Europe.  There is pretty much one sport that is played across the continent.  Football.  After that, things get a bit more regional.  Hockey is probably #2 as far as team sports go.  It is played across Scandinavia and central and eastern Europe.  Basketball is even more regional.  Played almost exclusively in the Baltics and eastern Europe.  But hasn't caught on elsewhere.  Believe it or not, water polo is huge in Hungry.  And Slovenia and a few others in that area.  Hungry even has a professional league.  Cricket is popular in England, but not so much on the continent.  And then there is team handball and even rugby in some places.  But those take a back seat to the individual sports like Formula 1 racing and cycling.

The attractiveness of the women in tennis is not a universal thing.  I have noticed the better players tend to be the lesser attractive ones.  That is not a knock, just a personal preference.

I wouldn't say the Japanese "worship" American athletes.  I do know they find American culture fascinating.  But, as interested as they are in Americans, they refuse to incorporate it into their own culture.  They go crazy for their own athletes far more than they are for the American ones.  I am currently not that knowledgeable on the origins of the popularity of baseball in Japan.  Ruth could have had something to do with it...  The game did begin to become popular in the '30's, however.

Sure.  A pair of used Jordans could go for a Grand in Japan.  A thousand YEN.
#67 | 1384 days ago

ML31 wrote:
You are wrong.  Bolt is from Jamaica.  Not Africa.  More Japanese people know Kobe the city than Kobe the basketball player. 
Basketball is not "huge" in Europe.  There is pretty much one sport that is played across the continent.  Football.  After that, things get a bit more regional.  Hockey is probably #2 as far as team sports go.  It is played across Scandinavia and central and eastern Europe.  Basketball is even more regional.  Played almost exclusively in the Baltics and eastern Europe.  But hasn't caught on elsewhere.  Believe it or not, water polo is huge in Hungry.  And Slovenia and a few others in that area.  Hungry even has a professional league.  Cricket is popular in England, but not so much on the continent.  And then there is team handball and even rugby in some places.  But those take a back seat to the individual sports like Formula 1 racing and cycling.

The attractiveness of the women in tennis is not a universal thing.  I have noticed the better players tend to be the lesser attractive ones.  That is not a knock, just a personal preference.

I wouldn't say the Japanese "worship" American athletes.  I do know they find American culture fascinating.  But, as interested as they are in Americans, they refuse to incorporate it into their own culture.  They go crazy for their own athletes far more than they are for the American ones.  I am currently not that knowledgeable on the origins of the popularity of baseball in Japan.  Ruth could have had something to do with it...  The game did begin to become popular in the '30's, however.

Sure.  A pair of used Jordans could go for a Grand in Japan.  A thousand YEN.
What ever Bolt is from African decent. I'm not talking about no more of Kobe you just don't know how huge he us but it is OK
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#68 | 1384 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
What ever Bolt is from African decent. I'm not talking about no more of Kobe you just don't know how huge he us but it is OK
You didn't say that.  You said he was African.  Implying he was from some African country.

I know how little the Japanese know about Kobe Bryant.  When was the last time you visited Japan?  You have no idea.

You have a tendency to presume that the things you like are also very popular around the world.  You like the Yankys so they HAVE to be popular world wide, right?  You like basketball, so it HAS to be popular in Asia and Europe.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  You need to put things into proper perspective.
#69 | 1384 days ago

ML31 wrote:
You are wrong.  Bolt is from Jamaica.  Not Africa.  More Japanese people know Kobe the city than Kobe the basketball player. 
Basketball is not "huge" in Europe.  There is pretty much one sport that is played across the continent.  Football.  After that, things get a bit more regional.  Hockey is probably #2 as far as team sports go.  It is played across Scandinavia and central and eastern Europe.  Basketball is even more regional.  Played almost exclusively in the Baltics and eastern Europe.  But hasn't caught on elsewhere.  Believe it or not, water polo is huge in Hungry.  And Slovenia and a few others in that area.  Hungry even has a professional league.  Cricket is popular in England, but not so much on the continent.  And then there is team handball and even rugby in some places.  But those take a back seat to the individual sports like Formula 1 racing and cycling.

The attractiveness of the women in tennis is not a universal thing.  I have noticed the better players tend to be the lesser attractive ones.  That is not a knock, just a personal preference.

I wouldn't say the Japanese "worship" American athletes.  I do know they find American culture fascinating.  But, as interested as they are in Americans, they refuse to incorporate it into their own culture.  They go crazy for their own athletes far more than they are for the American ones.  I am currently not that knowledgeable on the origins of the popularity of baseball in Japan.  Ruth could have had something to do with it...  The game did begin to become popular in the '30's, however.

Sure.  A pair of used Jordans could go for a Grand in Japan.  A thousand YEN.
3. Basketball: Amongst the most popular sports in the USA, China, Russia, the Philippines, Argentina, Canada, Germany, Italy, Spain and Puerto Rico. The National Basketball Association (NBA), with 30 teams and an average attendance of 17,500, is the richest and most popular basketball league and arguably the most viewed American sporting action in the world, attracting an accumulative television audience in excess of a billion. Induction of players of different nationalities to the NBA has ignited the general population to take up and follow the sport in a big way across various nations. The FIBA world championship and Olympics are the major international events, with Spain and the United States is the respective current gold medalists.  World Wide it is younger then all the sports and it is cheaper to play all you need is a ball.  

WORLD WIDE IT EVEN MORE POPULAR THEN BASEBALL AND HOCKEY AND ITS FORMS. BASKETBALL IS GROWING.
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#70 | 1384 days ago

ML31 wrote:
You didn't say that.  You said he was African.  Implying he was from some African country.

I know how little the Japanese know about Kobe Bryant.  When was the last time you visited Japan?  You have no idea.

You have a tendency to presume that the things you like are also very popular around the world.  You like the Yankys so they HAVE to be popular world wide, right?  You like basketball, so it HAS to be popular in Asia and Europe.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  You need to put things into proper perspective.
http://www.sportingo.com/all-sports/a11587_worlds-top-most-popular-team-sports



LOL

I FOLLOW THE NEWS AND OTHER THINGS THAT TELL ME KOBE BRYANT IS THE MOST POPULAR CURRANT BASKETBALL START IN THE UNITED STATES WORLD WIDE. HE MADE 35 MILLION+ OVER SEA'S MUCH OF THAT WAS JAPAN. BASKETBALL IS POPULAR IN EUROPE PEOPLE TELL ME GERMANY ITS IS POPULAR I HAVE FRIENDS OVER IN GERMANY. JUST BECAUSE YOU BEEN SOME PLACE DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT.
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#71 | 1383 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
http://www.sportingo.com/all-sports/a11587_worlds-top-most-popular-team-sports



LOL

I FOLLOW THE NEWS AND OTHER THINGS THAT TELL ME KOBE BRYANT IS THE MOST POPULAR CURRANT BASKETBALL START IN THE UNITED STATES WORLD WIDE. HE MADE 35 MILLION+ OVER SEA'S MUCH OF THAT WAS JAPAN. BASKETBALL IS POPULAR IN EUROPE PEOPLE TELL ME GERMANY ITS IS POPULAR I HAVE FRIENDS OVER IN GERMANY. JUST BECAUSE YOU BEEN SOME PLACE DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT.
The link you provided is a blog.  Just some schmuck's opinion.  The bozo writing it never even offered up any data to back up his claims.

What the hell does "THE MOST POPULAR CURRANT BASKETBALL START IN THE UNITED STATES WORLD WIDE" even mean?

What he made doesn't make him popular world wide.  Basketball is NOT popular Europe wide.  Only in the east is there any kind of interest and there is a little interest in Spain.  But that is it.

Central Research Services did a study in 2005 and 2007 on the favorite professional sport in Japan.  #1 was baseball (51.1%).  Not the American Major Leagues, but the Nippon Professional Baseball.  #2 was football (22.8%).  The J-league is very popular there.  #3 was Sumo (18.3%).  The Japan Golf Tour came in at #4 with 14.4%.  Then Boxing at 9.3%, motor racing at 8.1% and puroresu at 6%.  Basketball didn't even make the list.  Japan doesn't give a crap about that game.  They just don't.

Hockey is far more popular in Germany than basketball.  In fact, the numbers from the German sports authority count the number of participants in all sports in that country...  Football is by far the most popular.  Followed by hockey, cycling, field hockey and handball.

Never said being in a place made one an expert on the place.  However, between the two of us, it makes me more familiar with the situation than you.  Not only do I have data at my fingertips, but I can confirm that data with what I experienced when there.
You only have your flawed thinking that because YOU like it, most others do too.   
#72 | 1383 days ago

ML31 wrote:
The link you provided is a blog.  Just some schmuck's opinion.  The bozo writing it never even offered up any data to back up his claims.

What the hell does "THE MOST POPULAR CURRANT BASKETBALL START IN THE UNITED STATES WORLD WIDE" even mean?

What he made doesn't make him popular world wide.  Basketball is NOT popular Europe wide.  Only in the east is there any kind of interest and there is a little interest in Spain.  But that is it.

Central Research Services did a study in 2005 and 2007 on the favorite professional sport in Japan.  #1 was baseball (51.1%).  Not the American Major Leagues, but the Nippon Professional Baseball.  #2 was football (22.8%).  The J-league is very popular there.  #3 was Sumo (18.3%).  The Japan Golf Tour came in at #4 with 14.4%.  Then Boxing at 9.3%, motor racing at 8.1% and puroresu at 6%.  Basketball didn't even make the list.  Japan doesn't give a crap about that game.  They just don't.

Hockey is far more popular in Germany than basketball.  In fact, the numbers from the German sports authority count the number of participants in all sports in that country...  Football is by far the most popular.  Followed by hockey, cycling, field hockey and handball.

Never said being in a place made one an expert on the place.  However, between the two of us, it makes me more familiar with the situation than you.  Not only do I have data at my fingertips, but I can confirm that data with what I experienced when there.
You only have your flawed thinking that because YOU like it, most others do too.   
He said he done research and all of them say Soccer, Cricket and it diff from there on but all puts Field Hockey Above Ice Hockey in the world. Most place Ice Hockey below Baseball and Basketball world wide.

As for Baseball being number one in japan. If you place the Yankees in the league they would crush Japan like I said Japan are minor leagues compared to MLB. You say basketball does not rank in 95-97 which are useless polls at this point anyways it was years ago 3-5 years ago. Things change but then again no one in Japan can even play with American in basketball. NO ONE IN THE WORLD ARE EVEN NEARLY AS CLOSE AS AMERICAN BASKETBALL PLAYERS. JORDAN WAS THE BIGGEST STAR IN THE 90'S WORLD WIDE.
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#73 | 1383 days ago

ML31 wrote:
The link you provided is a blog.  Just some schmuck's opinion.  The bozo writing it never even offered up any data to back up his claims.

What the hell does "THE MOST POPULAR CURRANT BASKETBALL START IN THE UNITED STATES WORLD WIDE" even mean?

What he made doesn't make him popular world wide.  Basketball is NOT popular Europe wide.  Only in the east is there any kind of interest and there is a little interest in Spain.  But that is it.

Central Research Services did a study in 2005 and 2007 on the favorite professional sport in Japan.  #1 was baseball (51.1%).  Not the American Major Leagues, but the Nippon Professional Baseball.  #2 was football (22.8%).  The J-league is very popular there.  #3 was Sumo (18.3%).  The Japan Golf Tour came in at #4 with 14.4%.  Then Boxing at 9.3%, motor racing at 8.1% and puroresu at 6%.  Basketball didn't even make the list.  Japan doesn't give a crap about that game.  They just don't.

Hockey is far more popular in Germany than basketball.  In fact, the numbers from the German sports authority count the number of participants in all sports in that country...  Football is by far the most popular.  Followed by hockey, cycling, field hockey and handball.

Never said being in a place made one an expert on the place.  However, between the two of us, it makes me more familiar with the situation than you.  Not only do I have data at my fingertips, but I can confirm that data with what I experienced when there.
You only have your flawed thinking that because YOU like it, most others do too.   
OH YEA I WILL FOR SURE TAKE SOMEONE RESEARCH OVER YOURS.'


FIELD HOCKEY IS DIFFERENT THEN ICE HOCKEY.

THAT MEANS I CAN PLACE BASEBALL AS NUMBER TWO WITH CRICKET

I DO LIKE AND HAVE PLAYED FIELD HOCKEY THAT IS FUN.
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#74 | 1383 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
He said he done research and all of them say Soccer, Cricket and it diff from there on but all puts Field Hockey Above Ice Hockey in the world. Most place Ice Hockey below Baseball and Basketball world wide.

As for Baseball being number one in japan. If you place the Yankees in the league they would crush Japan like I said Japan are minor leagues compared to MLB. You say basketball does not rank in 95-97 which are useless polls at this point anyways it was years ago 3-5 years ago. Things change but then again no one in Japan can even play with American in basketball. NO ONE IN THE WORLD ARE EVEN NEARLY AS CLOSE AS AMERICAN BASKETBALL PLAYERS. JORDAN WAS THE BIGGEST STAR IN THE 90'S WORLD WIDE.
Who's "he"?  The blog author?  He didn't cite here he got his figures.  I did.  Cricket is big in some places.  Especially across the former British Empire.  Baseball will never pass cricket. 

Once again, you REALLY need to learn to read.  I never said ice hockey was #2 world wide.  Only in Germany.  No way is ice hockey that popular world wide.  Field hockey, sure.  But not ice hockey.  Come on...   Get with the program.

What do the Yankees have to do with NPB?  Your "woulds" and "ifs" don't change how popular THEIR league is in THEIR country.

Yes, the numbers are 3 years old.  And yes, things do change.  But the order of the sports from 2005 to 2007 remained the same.  Only the percentages changed some.  So it is reasonable to conclude there would not be much change in 3 years from the previous results.

I don't know why you would compare a Japanese basketball player to an American one.  You never know....   Regardless of how unpopular the sport is there, there are still a handful who play it.  Besides... Someone probably said the same thing about the Chinese until that Yao Ming dude came along.

Jordan was big in the USA.  But the biggest world wide?   That is debatable.  What do you have to back up that conclusion?
#75 | 1383 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
OH YEA I WILL FOR SURE TAKE SOMEONE RESEARCH OVER YOURS.'


FIELD HOCKEY IS DIFFERENT THEN ICE HOCKEY.

THAT MEANS I CAN PLACE BASEBALL AS NUMBER TWO WITH CRICKET

I DO LIKE AND HAVE PLAYED FIELD HOCKEY THAT IS FUN.
So, you will take uncited "research" over cited figures you can confirm for yourself only because the undocumented statement agrees with your conclusion and the the verifiable figures don't.  Nice way to ignore anything you don't like. 

Your reasoning skills continue to astound me.  Now you are saying that because ice hockey and field hockey are different, you can claim that baseball is the 2nd most popular sport world wide.

Thanks for the laugh this morning!
#76 | 1383 days ago

ML31 wrote:
So, you will take uncited "research" over cited figures you can confirm for yourself only because the undocumented statement agrees with your conclusion and the the verifiable figures don't.  Nice way to ignore anything you don't like. 

Your reasoning skills continue to astound me.  Now you are saying that because ice hockey and field hockey are different, you can claim that baseball is the 2nd most popular sport world wide.

Thanks for the laugh this morning!
Comparing the two types of hockey is stupid they are different you put them in one class they are not. I was saying you trying was if your going to do that I can put baseball in the same group as Cricket since they are cousins of each other.
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#77 | 1383 days ago

YOU SAID HOCKEY. HOCKEY IS NOT HOCKEY.

I never said that.  If I did, point out where.  I would never say something that stupid.

WELL 12 MILLION VIEWERS FOLLOWING THE FORMER HERO OF JAPAN 2009 TELLS ME HOW WELL THE YANKEES ARE RECIVED AND I WILL BET YOU MONEY THEY KNOW WHO BABE RUTH. HE IS TO BASEBALL WHO BRUCE LEE IS TOO MARTIAL ARTS.

It doesn't matter how many Japanese are following the exploits of Ichiro Suzuki.  That doesn't change the FACT that the NPB is VERY popular in Japan.  Sure they know who Babe Ruth is.  They like baseball and many know the more famous old time players.  Ruth even did a barnstorming tour in Japan.  Don't know what point you are trying to make with that...  Or your Bruce Lee thing.  Your tendency to make irrelevant comments continues...

WELL BASKETBALL DURING THE OLYMPICS DONE HUGE.

The last time the Summer Games were in Japan was 1964.    Japan, if they even field a national team, has never qualified for any of the World Wide tournaments.  They aren't very good and the population doesn't really care.  Even during the Olympics.

THEY TOOK ASIA BY STORM

If you are talking about the US national team, I have no idea how you determined that.   Yau Ming took the country by storm.  Not the Americans.  They didn't care about them.  

IF THE AMERICANS FACE JAPAN IN BASKETBALL THE AMERICAN WOULD CRUSH JAPAN.  IT BE YEARS BEFORE JAPAN EVEN GETS A WIN.

I didn't know you were arguing that the Japanese suck at basketball.  On that we agree.  I thought we were talking about how popular the game was in Japan.  Which it isn't.    At all.

WHO IS AO MING OH THAT ONE GUY WHO LIKE 8FT AND NEVER PLAYS A GAME.

I don't know who ao ming is.  I was talking about Chinese basketball sensation Yao Ming.  He is a superstar in China.  He dwarfed the US basketball team in China both literally and in popularity.  Even NBC reported how he was revered everywhere he went around Beijing in 2008.   
Also...  The 1994 US basketball team was only popular in America.  No one else was in love with them.

LOL 94 DURING WHAT TO ME THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAM EVER TO BE PRODUCED DURING THE OLYMPIC

Popularity in the USA does not = popularity world wide.  You have to do better than that.

PLAYERS WERE ASKING FOR AUTOGRAPH ON THE COURT.

Popularity among other basketball players does not = popularity world wide.  Water Polo players know the best water polo players too.  That doesn't make that game popular beyond what it really is...

I HAVE THE DVD BUT YOUR CHEAP YOU WOULDNT BY IT.

I wouldn't buy it because I don't care.  I have, however, pre ordered all the 2010 World Series blu rays.  That wasn't cheap.

THIS WAS A FEW YEARS AFTER JORDAN  RETIRED. DEREK JETER WAS WALKING THROUGH EUROPE WITH JORDAN AN ON ONE EVEN KNEW WHO JETER WAS BUT THEY WOULDN'T EVEN STOP BOTHERING JORDAN.

I'm supposed to take your WORD on that?  Where did they go?  The Baltic?  I can believe it if they went somewhere where people like basketball.  But if they went to the Riviera or Italy or England or France or Germany or Holland or 75% of Europe...  That story could not be believed.

YOU DON'T REALLY FOLLOW BASKETBALL SO YOU HAVE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IDEA AND HAVE NO CLUE TIGER TRANSENDS BASKETBALL EVEN IF YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT BASKETBALL. 

I don't follow basketball.  But that doesn't mean I can't look up information.  And every time I look it up, basketball is not a top 5 sport in Europe.  No matter what source I use.  I could say the same thing about you and hockey.  You don't follow it.  You don't like it.  Therefore, you have no idea about it.  But I wouldn't say something as worthless as that.

I KNOW MORE ABOUT BASKETBALL THEN MOST PEOPLE ON FAN IQ STRAIGHT UP FOR SURE MORE THEN YOU. I HAVE EVERY SINGLE JORDAN DVD HE DONE TAPES. JAM HIS MUSIC VIDEO WITH MICHAEL JACKSON ANOTHER HUGE STAR AROUND THE WORLD YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT HE
was LACK SINGER WELL WHITE I DON'T KNOW BUT HE DID BLACK MUSIC SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA. HE WAS WEIRD BUT HIS MUSIC WAS REALLY GOOD. SPACE JAM THE VIDEO GAME HIS GAME ON NES. SHOES BLAH BLAH BLAH. HIS BASEBALL ROOKIE CARD WHICH IS VERY VALUEABLE MAYBE THE MOST VALUEABLE MINOR LEAGUE CARD OF ALL TIME.

You may indeed know more about the game than I do.  You know players I don't know and you can assess their skill better than I could.  Only because it is a game I do not follow.  But, I don't need to follow the game to look up information about it overseas.  I will say that you watching Jordan DVD's and singing recordings doesn't make you knowledgeable about basketball.  Only about how good a singer and actor Jordan is.  Owning Jordan's minor league baseball card doesn't increase your knowledge of overseas basketball popularity either.

Once again, you bring race into it.  I don't classify music by who records it or who listens to it.  I classify it by the KIND of MUSIC it is.
#78 | 1383 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
What ever Bolt is from African decent. I'm not talking about no more of Kobe you just don't know how huge he us but it is OK
I NEVER SAID HE WAS AFRICAN AMERICAN EITHER LOOK. FEW YEARS AGO. LAKERS ARE THE MOST POPULAR TEAM IN JAPAN AS WELL AS THE YANKEES LOL BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING I SAY FACTS YOU DON'T.

MID EAST BASKETBALL IS GROWING THEY EVEN HAVE A PROGRAM ON IT ON YES. ASIA IT IS GROWING BASKETBALL IS GETTING MORE POPULAR BY THE DAY.

THE TRUTH IS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL YOUR A SWIMMING NOTHING TO DO WITH BASKETBALL UNLESS YOU PLAY WATER BASKETBALL.

EUROPE THAT HAVE LEAGUES AND STUFF SO IT IS GROWING THERE ALSO LOL I CAN GIVE YOU A FEW EUROPEAN STARS THAT ARE IN THE NBA. PEOPLE IN EUROPE DON'T WATCH THEM. HOW DID THEY GET THAT GOOD DUDE PLUS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF BASKETBALL IN OTHER COUNTRIES HOOP BALL WITH IS BASKETBALL WITHOUT A RIM AMONG OTHER THINGS.
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#79 | 1383 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
Comparing the two types of hockey is stupid they are different you put them in one class they are not. I was saying you trying was if your going to do that I can put baseball in the same group as Cricket since they are cousins of each other.
What posts have you been reading?  I never compared field hockey to ice hockey.   Care to point out where I did?  Didn't think so.

Please take some extra time to evaluate what you write.  I am not a fan of you attributing to me things I never said or did.

For the record, if you knew cricket, you would know that there is not much similar between them.  Baseball is far more like rounders than cricket.   But, it is a common misconception.
#80 | 1383 days ago

OK.  You didn't come out and say Bold was "African American".  But you did say Bolt and Woods were "African".  Implying they were both American as Woods is.  Your writing is so haphazard that one has to make certain assumptions.  You rarely make yourself clear.

No, neither the Yankees nor Lakers are the most popular teams in Japan.  The Giants are.   (The link is where I got that bit of information from).   

You don't write facts.  You write what you WISH were true.  I cite where my conclusions come from.  You never do.

Perhaps mid east basketball is growing.  If one guy gets one other guy to play, that is growth, I guess.  But don't imply that game has any kind of even fair sized popularity there....

I seem to know more about the game's international popularity than you do.  I looked stuff up.  You only have what you wish were the case.

I never claimed swimming gives me any special insight into anything.

Yes, there are basketball leagues in Europe.  But then, there is a women's football league here in the USA.  Doesn't mean that sport is popular here.

The fact that there are Euros in the NBA doesn't mean the game is popular there either.  There are more Americans in the Premier league and other top Euro Leagues than ever before.  But that doesn't make football popular in the country.

Your reasoning is hopelessly flawed.  And the funny thing is you don't even see it.
#81 | 1383 days ago

YOU SAID HOCKEY.

I did.  I also mentioned field hockey.  But I never said one was the other.

MATSUI WAS THE HERO AND WHEN THEY BOTH PLAYED IN JAPAN MATSUI WAS THE MORE POPULAR PLAYER.

I cannot tell you who was more popular over there.  But I can tell you Suzuki was, and still is the most popular Japanese guy in the American Major Leagues.

HE WAS ON THE MOST POPULAR TEAM SO HE HAD TOO BE THE MOST POPULAR PLAYER.

That doesn't add up.  You are assuming quite a bit and are lacking evidence to support your conclusion.

BUT THE FACT IS HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES WATCH A TEAM FROM JAPAN UNLESS THEY WERE PLAYING AN AMERICAN TEAM

Why do you do this?  That has nothing to do with what is popular in Japan.  Stop evading the issue.  Just admit I'm right and move on.

MEANING BRUCE LEE TO MARTIAL ARTS BY STORM LIKE THE UNITED STATES. THOUGH HE WAS NOT FROM JAPAN BUT CHINA.

I still don't know what that has to do with what was being discussed.

I SAY YOU ARE WRONG AMERICAN ATHLETES ARE LIKE CELEBS IN JAPAN THEY ARE BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THAT. 

Wait, you were just talking about the 2008 Olympics.  Which is what I was on about.  Now you are switching gears and talking about Japan.  First, most American athletes are not nearly as big in Japan as the locals are.  Especially ones who AREN'T playing in the NPL.  And next, why did you even bring up the 2008 Olympics if you are still on about Japan?  Finally, what evidence do you have to support your above comment?

IT IS ARE I SAY YOU ARE WRONG AMERICAN BASKETBALL IS MORE POPULAR THEN AMERICAN BASEBALL IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING.

That's absolute BS.  Baseball is the sport of choice in Japan.  They have their own VERY popular league and many follow the goings on in the American Majors.  No one (figuratively) follows basketball.  I am wondering how you even determined that idiotic comment...

LOL OF COURSE DOESN'T MEAN AMERICA WASN'T POPULAR LIKE AMERICANS DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YAO MING WHEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL BUT CHINA STILL RESPECTS AMERICAN ATHLETES. JORDAN IS HUGE IN CHINA BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

You keep saying this but have never offered anything to support why you think that.  You should have seen the throngs of media around Ming in Beijing.  The American basketballers were able to walk around with no one recognizing, or even caring who they were.

SO AMERICAN ATHLETES AREN'T

Not like the local Chinese athletes.  Why should they give a crap about Americans?  They are as patriotic for their country as we are for ours....

WELL THEY HELP SPAWN OF OTHER PLAYERS IN ALL OVER THE WORLD.

By beating the crap out of everyone?  That does not compute.

YOU THINK BASKETBALL ISN'T POPULAR IN EUROPE BECAUSE YOUR A FOOL.

Why?  You have shown nothing to show it is popular across the continent.  I have said it is popular in some regions.  But that is it.  It is not football and will never approach football.

YOU THINK BASKETBALL ISN'T POPULAR IN EUROPE BECAUSE YOUR A FOOL.

Not as popular as football and hockey.  Or gymnastics or rugby or tennis.  At least according to a quick internet search...

I LIVE IN A BASKETBALL FAMILY

Which seems to give you a skewed perspective on the overall world wide popularity of the game.

WELL THEY FORCED TEAMS TO GET BETTER IN OTHER LEAGUES.

No they didn't.

JORDAN WAS AN BASKETBALL EMBASITOR HE MADE IT POPULAR IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

No, he didn't.  People liked his personality, but it was more him than basketball that made him big elsewhere.

KOBE ALSO WHO IS THIS ERA OF JORDAN ESPN SAID KOBES SALES SHARES IN JAPAN ARE HUGE WHAT IS THAT REASON.  WHY YOU THEY BUY THE GEAR IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT HE DONE ON THE COURT AND YOU FORGET BOTH CHINA AND NEW YORK HAVE ASIAN MINI CITYS WITHIN THEM. YOU HAVE AN ASIAN RESTURANT ALONE ALMOST EVERYWHERE HERE.

Kobe isn't even close to being as popular as Jordan was.  Few outside the USA or who move in basketball circles even know who this guy is.  China has Asian mini and mega cities in it.  China IS IN ASIA!!!!   Duhh....   The fact that there is a Chinatown and Japantown in cities nationwide doesn't mean they all love basketball.  Again, you have to do better than that.

A FEW MONTH AGO YOU SAID HE WASN'T THAT GOOD ON OTHER POLLS

Put it in context.  I said he wasn't that good at WHAT?  I certainly never made that claim about his basketball skills.  He is obviously one of the best, if not the best ever. 

IT WAS A SUMMER TOUR OF EUROPE

It sounds like they just toured the Baltics then.

YOU SAID PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL IN EUROPE.

Overall, on a continent wide scale, they don't.  It is somewhat popular in various regions, however.  But there are more participants in other sports.

BASKETBALL ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENT THE SOCCOR

No.  It's very different.  It would be similar if in football goaltending was not allowed and there were no offsides.  Then it would be score score score score score.  Just like in basketball.

THAT THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR INFO

That's not a problem.  Looking stuff up is what you are supposed to do.  Even if it is only to confirm what you already know.  You don't seem to understand that.

AND YOU LOOK FOR STUFF THAT ONLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU AGREE WITH.

Not so.  It only looks like that to you because I have been correct on most matters while you have been wrong.  I am always very fair and unbiased when I go fishing for data.

WELL I SAY I HAVE YEARS OF INFO ON PED'S AND BASKETBALL.

And you STILL don't understand much about either.

WELL DOESN'T MEAN IT IS NOT POPULAR

I guess that depends on how you define "popular".  There is a football league here in this country.  But I wouldn't say football is all that popular here.  I would say at best, basketball in Europe is like football in America.  And even that might be a stretch.

MOST I SEE DOESN'T EVEN RANK ICE HOCKEY HIGHER THEN BASKETBALL

Depends on the region you are talking about.  In Europe, hockey is much more popular than basketball.  According to every list I looked up.

WORLD WIDE ICE HOCKEY ISN'T AS POPULAR AS THE BASKETBALL WORLD WIDE.

That's possible.  Hockey requires a cold climate or an ice facility.  Basketball can literally be played almost anywhere.  So I can buy that comment.  However, there are many places where one would think basketball ought to be popular but isn't for some reason.

.I DON'T CARE AND I DON'T LOOK FOR STUFF FOR HOCKEY

Which proves your ignorance on the matter.  Proves you have no idea how popular it is compared to other sports.  Other sports you happen to like.

MING SUCKS HE NEVER PLAYED A MINUTE IN THE UNITED STATES

Now, you see...  Even when I give you credit for something you go and say something stupid like that.  He has indeed played many minutes in the NBA.  As this link proves.  Thus ruining whatever microscopic bit of credibility you might have had.

WATCHING 20 YEARS OF IT DOES.

Apparently not.

YOU NEVER SEEN IT BUT IT DOESN'T SUPRISE ME YOUR AN CMT KINDA PERSON NOT AN MTV KINDA GUY

What the hell is CMT?  Never liked MTV.  Never cared for music videos.  I enjoy listening to music.  Not watching it.

And for the record, I enjoy ALL kinds of music.  I don't limit myself to just certain genres.  I imagine you limit yourself to what arts you are exposed to.
#82 | 1382 days ago

HOW COULD HAVE SUZUKI BEEN THE MOST POPULAR PLAYER IF HE WASN'T ON THE MOST POPULAR TEAM IN THE SPORT IN JAPAN. THAT CAN NOT HAPPEN. WATCH THE YES NETWORK ONCE IN AN WHILE I BEEN READING THE NUMBER MATSUI WAS A BETTER PLAYER DURING THERE DAY'S. MATSUI HAD BETTER POWER NUMBER. BUT THEN AGAIN SUZUKI WAS JUST AN SLAP HITTER NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS.

Because popular players and popular teams are NOT the same thing.  It is possible, and common, to have popular players on not so popular teams.   If YES is where you get a lot of your info, then I don't think I want to ever see a minute of it.  I would suggest to you to watch something apart from YES just to give yourself a little better perspective.  Matsui may have been the power hitter, but Suzuki was the first position player here.  The Japanese were thrilled to see one of their own thrive here.  He will always have the edge on Matsui because he has been successful at what he does and he was first.

YANKEE NETWORK IS MY EVIDENCE

Yeah.  That is like hiring a consultant just so they can say you need to hire more consultants.  lol!

LOOK FOR IT YOURSELF

I did.  I can't find anything.  You are the one who is trying to make an unbelievable point.  You are the one that needs to verify.  And not with blogs.  I can do that 10 fold.  You need something at least somewhat official.
The rest of the paragraph the above comment was in was undecipherable.

400,000,000 people play basketball throughout the World not to bad for a sport that really started growing in the 80's  Fédération Internationale de Basketball Amateur. Eight nations were founding members: Argentina, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Portugal, Romania, and Switzerland. 44 teams in asia that is a lot of teams that no one watches 44 teams for the  FIBA WOULDN'T HAVE THAT IF THEY WASN'T MAKING MONEY ON IT

The 400 million figure is FIBAs number.  Other sources place it at no more than 45-50 million.  I never said basketball didn't have a large following world wide.  There is SOMe.  But just because FIBA exists doesn't make basketball one of the most popular sports in the world.  Tons of sports have international federations.  I could go through and list the number of national teams for all the sports, but I would hope the point has been made.  You jump to a TON of conclusions.  You see 2, add your 2 and come up with 6.

LIKE AMERICANS DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YAO MING

He was pretty huge for the NBA when he arrived for quite some time.  But now no one hears about him anymore.  I bet he is still a thing in China, however...

BASKETBALLERS ISN'T A WORD. THEY CALL THEM BASKETBALL PLAYERS LOL. YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF THE BASKETBALL PLAYERS FROM THE UNITED STATES WERE ABLE TO WALK AROUND.

Nothing wrong with the word 'basketballers'.  Why do you object to it?  You know what it means and takes less time to type.
I wasn't in Beijing, but I can read reports.  It was actually not easy to find reports on the US basketball team in 2008.  Other athletes dominated the headlines.

THEY ARE BETTER ATHLETES

Doesn't matter.  There are better hockey players out there.  But that didn't mean Americans didn't love Zach Parise when he tied the Canadians last minute in the gold medal game last year...

WHEN YOU GET THE CRAP BEAT OUT OF YOU ALL THE TIME YOU TEND TO GET STRONGER AND BIGGER.

No, you get smaller and weaker and you lose morale.

I SEE A TIME WHEN SOCCER IT OVER RAN BY ANOTHER SPORT. SOCCER IS BORING AND THEY WEAR HORRIBLE CLOTHING.

You also think there will be overseas expansion baseball teams in 10 years.  That ain't happening either.  Sorry football is boring to you. The rest of the world seems to disagree.  What SHOULD the players wear?  Mini short shorts or huge over sized baggy ones?

YOU SAID MINE WAS BULLSHIT SO I WILL CALL YOURS THE SAME THING.

Except that I have provided sources to back up my claim.  You didn't.

I KNOW BECAUSE I SPOKE TO PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTIES. ALMOST EVERY KID PLAYS IT IN JAPAN THAT WERE IT STARTS. IT REALLY BIG IN CHINA AMONG KIDS AND THE PHILLAPEANS.

Wow.  You must really get around.  You have talked to 40 million people?  I guess I was wrong to question you.  (sarcasm)
BTW...  Things much have dramatically changed in Japan from when I went...  When I was there, there were 100 times the amount of people at driving ranges than who were shooting hoops or even looked at a basketball.

IF YOUR LIKE PEOPLE WANNA BE LIKE YOU WHICH GETS YOU TO START PLAYING BASKETBALL ALL OVER THE WORLD JORDAN WAS POPULAR

The problem is, his popularity was fleeting.  When he was playing, sure it spawned a little basketball hiccup.  But when he quit, so did his influence both domestically and abroad.  Think of it like when Pele, the worlds biggest sports star for decades, came to the USA to play in the NASL.  The Cosmos drew like crazy.  Football became relevant in this country for the first time ever.  The NASL expanded.  Then, just as fast, Pele retired.  And all those gains vanished.

YOUR A BASKETBALL HATER YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKING BASKETBALL COME TO NEW YORK WEAR BASKETBALL IS KING. EVERYONE FROM KOBE TO MOST OTHER BIG PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED IN THE MECCA OF BASKETBALL. ASIANS PLAY EVERYONE DOES.

Not at all.  I don't "hate" any sport.  I respect the skills needed for all.  You are the one who has constantly put down any sport you didn't like.  You ragged on me because I used to swim.  You ragged on hockey.  Look at what you wrote about football in this very post!  I happen to know that baseball is king in New York.  Not basketball.    And contrary to what you think, not "everyone" plays basketball.  Sure, some Asians play it.  But their best athletes take part in other athletic disciplines.

ALL OF EUROPE DUDE CAN YOU READ EVERY COUNTRY HAS A BASKETBALL TEAM IN EUROPE STRAIGHT UP PEOPLE DON'T WATCH THOSE TEAM'S PLAY.

I did read it.  Which is why I am questioning it.  They couldn't possibly have toured "all of Europe".  
Your sentence is confusing.  It sounds like you are saying that although every country has a national basketball team (BTW.. Most countries field national teams in MANY sports) no one cares enough for the game to watch them play.

WHY DOES EVERY COUNTRY HAVE TEAM'S

Every country has a team handball team.  Every country has a water polo team.  That doesn't mean those sports are even half as popular as football.  Again, your conclusions have no support.

YOU COULDN'T NEVER SCORE IF 7 FOOTERS WERE ALLOWED TO GET EVERY SINGLE BALL THEY WOULD REBOUND EVERY SHOT.

In my opinion, it would make basketball more interesting.  But that's just me.\

I DON'T NEED TO LOOK UP STUFF ABOUT BASKETBALL DUDE I BEEN WATCHING AND PLAYING IT OVER 20 YEARS. MY FAMILY BEEN LIKING IT LONGER THEN THAT.

You just don't get it.  None of that matters if you say something patently unbelievable.  You NEED to back up outrageous comments with something apart from just your word.  It gives you something you currently lack...  CREDIBILITY.

YOU ONLY LOOK UP STUFF YOU DON'T KNOW STRAIGHT UP.

Or... If I say something the other person doesn't buy into, I go get verifiable info from creditable source to prove I am not just pulling crap out of thin air.

I NEVER EVEN DID IT IN SCHOOL IF I ALREADY KNOW SOMETHING. I JUST WRITE IT DOWN. WHY IT WASTE TIME TO PROVE SOMETHING TO SOMEONE THAT WOULDN'T EVEN TRUST IT ANYWAYS.

I'm sorry you failed your classes that required actual research.

I'M NOT WRONG BASKETBALL IS A POPULAR SPORT I DIDN'T SAY MOST POPULAR SPORT 400,000,000+ PEOPLE PLAY IT IN THE WORLD MAYBE A 1/4 OF THAT IS IN THE UNITED STATES. AFRICA IT IS A BIG SPORT PLENTY OF PLAYERS FROM AFRICA ARE IN THE NBA ALSO. RUSSIA THE NET OWNER EVEN SAID IT WAS POPULAR IN RUSSIA HE IS RUSSIAN BORN BILLIONIAR.

I never said the game wasn't popular in some places.  The 400 million number only comes from FIBA.  All other, non biased sources have that number around 40-50 million.  Still significant.  According to the NBA themselves, in February of this year, there were 6 African players in the NBA.  1 from Cameroon, two from the Congo, and 3 from Senegal.  Oh....  And for such a popular Russian game, there is but ONE Russian in the NBA.  The fact is, the two most popular sports in Russia are football and hockey.  I'll go with the verifiable stats over the word of one Russian billionaire and some crazy guy in upstate NY.

DON'T TELL ME I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING

I will when it is painfully obvious you don't.

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ANY PLAYERS

We aren't drafting fantasy basketball teams.  For what we are talking about I don't NEED to know any players.

NFL IS OUR GAME

American football (NFL) is indeed the most popular sport here.  But I would still say that baseball is still America's game.

THEY DONE WERE THE GAY SHORTS AND SOCKS PEOPLE LOOK STUPID WITH CLOTHING LIKE SOCCER PLAYERS HAVE.

You mean like the short shorts the NBA guys wore years ago?  Or how about those skin tight gay pants American footballers wear so they can slap each others ass easier?  Myself, I'd rather don traditional football jerseys than be a QB and stick my hands right up to some guys butt crack.

NOT REALLY I MANY AREAS BASKETBALL WAS MORE POPULAR.

I wouldn't say many.  Try "few".

ITS A YOUNG SPORT THAT IS WHY IT WILL GET THERE

It's actually not all that young.  It's been around for a very long time.   FIBA was created in 1932.  That's only 28 years after FIFA.

YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A HOOP.

If there is no hoop or bucket or basket of some kind, how does one score?

ICE HOCKEY ISN'T AS POPULAR AS IT OWN COUSIN IN THE WORLD.

If you are speaking of field hockey, that is true.  World Wide.  But you also need to understand WHY that is.  In the climates or countries with many ice facilities, it is very big indeed.  Some it is even more popular than football or close to it.  If you would bother to do a little internet search, you would see that.

WHY WASTE MY TIME YOUR GOING TO DOWN IT ANYWAYS YOUR ONLY GOING TO THINK WHAT YOU WANT ANYWAYS LIKE PED'S A MARINE SAID YOU WAS WRONG. HE WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT BODYS THEN ANYTHING.

It's not a waste of time if you know you are right and can support it.  If you did that, I would be forced to concede your point.  I have done so in the past many times when proved wrong.  This marine who said I was wrong...  Where did he get his medical science degree?  What kind of research did he work on?  What are his credentials that made his conclusions more reliable than mine?  Certainly not just being a marine.  That doesn't give him any special insights into medicine or drugs.

ITS A FIGURE OF SPEECH WHICH YOU DON'T UNDER STAND

I understand the figure of speech thing.  But he played a LOT.  Look at his career stat sheet.  Perhaps he was overpaid...  I am not into the NBA enough to know how good or bad he was.  But I can look up player data and I saw how much he played.  To say "he never played a "minute" even to mean he didn't play much, was a misuse of the "figure of speech".

YOU FUNNY LOL YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A BASKETBALL LOOKS LIKE. WHAT DOES AN WNBA BASKETBALL LOOK
LIKE. WHO IS STEVE KERR. WHO SCORED 103 POINTS DURING A GAME. WHAT IS THE BILL RUSSELL AWARD. WHO IS BILL RUSSELL. LOL. LET ME ASK A HARD? HOME MANY CHAMPIONSHIP DOES PHIL JACKSON HAVE TOTAL INCLUDING HIS PLAYING CAREER. WHAT IS A TRI ANGLE OFFENSE. WHO INVENTED BASKETBALL WHAT NATIONALITY WAS HE BET YOU HAVE NO IDEA

Nice.  I have seen basketballs.  I played horse.  I played two on two on the playground at school.  Just because I don't follow the game does not mean I don't know ANYTHING about it.
The WNBA ball is similar to the NBA ball.  It's a tad smaller.
Kerr is a professional basketball player.
Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points even in a game.  That is well known.
I know who Russell is.  But I had no idea there was an award named after him.
Jackson coached a lot of titles.  I have no idea how many.  9?  He got them not because he was a great coach, but because he had great players.
Have no idea what the triangle offense is.
Dr. Naismith invented basketball.  He was Canadian.

I was being honest.  I didn't look any of the answers up.  I could have.  I would wager that I know more about basketball than you know about all the sports you don't like combined.  I could ask you about the neutral zone trap.  Or who wins the Conn Smythe trophy.  Or who or what Conn Smythe is.  I could ask you what a "Gordie Howe hat trick is".  There are a host of questions I could ask that I'm sure you do not know without looking stuff up.

But none of that matters.  A lack of knowledge of players and technical things about the game are irrelevant when discussing how popular the games are in different places.

You keep running off topic and taking this places it need not go.  I think you do it because you know you cannot support what you say so you deflect the discussion away from the goofy things you say.  You refuse to admit you could ever make a mistake.
#83 | 1382 days ago

MATSUI HAS A WORLD SERIES.

That and $5 will get you a Starbucks coffee.  That means nothing towards what we are talking about.

FIBA WOULD KNOW BETTER THEN ANYONE EVEN THE NBA.

Not necessarily.  They have reason to pad that number to make their own organization look bigger than it really is.  That is why you need to get the figure from NON partisan sources.

45-50 MILLION PEOPLE PLAY IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE.

That's crap too.  Slightly less than 1 in 4 American do NOT play basketball by ANY standard.

YOU KNOW WERE FIBA PLAYS EVERY FOUR YEARS THE OLYMPICS.

LOL....  You don't even know what FIBA does, do you?

HE A BUST AND PLAYS FOR A TEAM BASKETBALL DOESN'T CARE ABOUT AT THAT...  ...CHINA CAN HAVE HIM.

None of that changes his popularity in his homeland.  I honestly don't know why you say pointless off topic things like that.

ONLY TWO SPORTS MEAN ANYTHING IN THE OLYMPICS. FIGURE SKATING AND GYMANATICS

That may be true in Dragon's limited view.  But it certainly is not world wide.  Different areas are interested in different things.  And all sports have some interest at some level around the globe.  Too bad your myopic view prevents you from seeing that.

BASKETBALL IS STRONG IN SPAIN ARGENTINA

And not may other places.  And it is still a million miles behind football.

BAGGY CLOTHING THAT IS MY STYLE

Talk about looking lame....  The high socks hold shin guards in place.  No one wants to get kicked with cleats in the shins.

I SEEN OTHER POLLS THAT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ON THAT POLL SO WHY SHOULD I CARE TO PUT IT DOWN. I DON'T LIKE TO FOLLOW WHAT PAGES SAY ANYWAYS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW UNLESS IT SCIENTIFIC IT DOESN'T MATTER NONE ARE SCIENTIFIC ENOUGH FOR ME.  LIKE FIBA AND THE 400,000,000 PLAYERS THEY KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCOUTS ALL OVER THE WORLD. THEY WORK WITH HIGH SCHOOL LIKE EVERY OTHER SPORT DOES. OVER 400 MIL PEOPLE PLAY COMPETITIVE BASKETBALL IN THE WORLD. NEXT TO NOTHING MAKE ANYTHING OF IT IN THE CASH AREA. PLUS MANY PLAYERS ARE MULTI SPORT ATHLETES. EVERYONE IN HIGH SCHOOLS ARE MULTI SPORT ATHLETES.

I would respond to this but I can't understand a what ideas you are trying to convey here.   Dude...  Please take the time and WRITE better!!!!!

I TALK TO PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRYS

And you have talked to more than 40 million people from other "countrys"?  lololol!!

IF I WENT TO JAPAN WITH A BASKETBALL MANY PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO PLAY.

You would more likely get funny looks from people.  For the record, when I went I focused on the culture and the sights.  Basketball wasn't a part of that.  But baseball was!

I DID AGREE GOLF COST ALOT OF MONEY

That doesn't change the fact that golf is popular in Japan while basketball is barely a blip on the sports radar there.

I DISAGREE HE IS STILL A HUGE STAR AND STILL IN THE TOP 10 IN POPULARITY.

No.  He is barely in the public eye anymore.  People younger than 20 barely even know who the guy is.

KOBE WAS BIG BEFORE HE EVEN PUT ON THE YELLOW AND PURPLE.

No one but the NBA scouts or the biggest of the biggest basketball fans knew who he was before then.

EVERYONE WHO IS ANYONE PLAYS IN NEW YORK BEFORE THEY BECOME FAMOUS.

Like Wilt Chamberlain.  Michael Jordan.  Gordie Howe.  Barry Bonds.  Joe Montana....   Yeah...  They all needed to play for New York teams to become well know.    Wait...   The DIDN'T!!!

EUROPE ISN'T THAT LARGE IT WAS A SUMMER TOUR IT CAN GET THROW EUROPE IN A SUMMER YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE UNITED STATES IN THAT TIME.

No, you can hit a number of regions in the USA in a summer.   With enough money one can visit all of the lower 48 in one summer.  But if you did that, there is no way you could get a read on the physical or cultural geography of the area.  Europe is about as big as the contiguous United States, too.  You need to learn your geography.

YEP THEY DO AND THEY HAVE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS. LOOK A FIBA WEB PAGES.

Pick a sport and go to that sports federation web pages.  You will find the exact same thing for them, too.  It doesn't support anything you say.  Please stop repeating the same BS over and over and over.

IT WOULD SUCK IF 7 FOOTERS CAN GRAB EVERY BALL.

In my opinion, it would make the game more interesting and more fun to watch.

WHAT UNBELIEVABLE ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE BASKETBALL MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAS PLAYED BASKETBALL AT LEAST ONCE.

Nothing wrong with that comment.  It is when you say stupid things like basketball is the 2nd most popular sport in Japan and Russia that causes your lack of credibility.

I GOT A'S AND B'S SO YOU ARE WRONG LOL. "DUDE"

Then either you had teachers who didn't care if they did their job or you were sluffed along through the system in some way.

JUST BECAUSE NO ONE PLAYS BASKETBALL IN THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT POPULAR IN THAT COUNTRY. THE UNITED STATES ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST IN BASKETBALL

Perhaps not.  But it is the exact kind of logic you use when you take the word of one rich Russian over the actual stats on the matter.

WELL CAN FOLLOW WHAT FIFA SAYS IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW WHAT FIBA SAYS.

The year those Federations were created is a verifiable fact.  Not some slanted guess.  I got the years they were created from FIFA and FIBA themselves.  But, I wouldn't trust total number of world wide football players from FIFA either.  I don't believe they are the most honest organization in the world anyway.  But there is no reason to lie about when they were created.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH HOCKEY YOU NEED TON'S OF CRAP TO PLAY HOCKEY.

Really?  In college we played broom ball.  Which is basically ice hockey but with a ball, no skates, and a taped up broom.

I CAN GO TO ANY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND I BET IN EVERY COUNTRY I CAN GET PEOPLE TO PLAY BASKETBALL WITH ME.

If you go to the right places and have enough time, sure.

WAS AN BASKETBALL PLAYER AND YOU HAD NO CLUE WHO HE WAS UNTIL I SPOKE OF HIM ON THE OTHER POST

Actually, the only reason I know the name was because on our sports station one of the drive time hosts is a former NBA player who was friends with the guy and mentions him from time to time.  Basketball I find to be a dull sport, but when he talks about it I can listen because he does it in an entertaining way.

HE HAS 11 TITLES AS A COACH 6 WITH THE LAKERS 5 WITH THE LAKERS. TWO AS A PLAYER WITH THE KNICKS.

Thanks for enlightening me.  So, he has 11 Laker titles.  I could have sworn he coached the Bulls. 

HOW PLAYERS ARE PLACES ON A COURT LIKE A TRI ANGLE FIGURE EVERY GOOD STYLE AND ONE JACKSON USES THE MOST. THERE ARE DIFFRENT WAYS TO DO IT.

Again, thank you for that little bit of basketball insight.  It will instantly be forgotten when I stop typing this sentence.

NOPE DON'T CARE.

More proof you are a sports bigot.  You think everyone should care about only the sports you like and don't believe anyone who doesn't like a sport you like.

NOT ON BASKETBALL THAT MY GAME. I READ AND FOLLOW EVERYTHING BASKETBALL.

I said it before and I will say it again...  You know the players and probably the technicalities of the game on the court.  But you don't know the business end nor do you know about the game internationally.   At all.  You overstate everything you personally like and blow off anything you don't.  It is really quite childish.
#84 | 1382 days ago

ML31 wrote:
MATSUI HAS A WORLD SERIES.

That and $5 will get you a Starbucks coffee.  That means nothing towards what we are talking about.

FIBA WOULD KNOW BETTER THEN ANYONE EVEN THE NBA.

Not necessarily.  They have reason to pad that number to make their own organization look bigger than it really is.  That is why you need to get the figure from NON partisan sources.

45-50 MILLION PEOPLE PLAY IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE.

That's crap too.  Slightly less than 1 in 4 American do NOT play basketball by ANY standard.

YOU KNOW WERE FIBA PLAYS EVERY FOUR YEARS THE OLYMPICS.

LOL....  You don't even know what FIBA does, do you?

HE A BUST AND PLAYS FOR A TEAM BASKETBALL DOESN'T CARE ABOUT AT THAT...  ...CHINA CAN HAVE HIM.

None of that changes his popularity in his homeland.  I honestly don't know why you say pointless off topic things like that.

ONLY TWO SPORTS MEAN ANYTHING IN THE OLYMPICS. FIGURE SKATING AND GYMANATICS

That may be true in Dragon's limited view.  But it certainly is not world wide.  Different areas are interested in different things.  And all sports have some interest at some level around the globe.  Too bad your myopic view prevents you from seeing that.

BASKETBALL IS STRONG IN SPAIN ARGENTINA

And not may other places.  And it is still a million miles behind football.

BAGGY CLOTHING THAT IS MY STYLE

Talk about looking lame....  The high socks hold shin guards in place.  No one wants to get kicked with cleats in the shins.

I SEEN OTHER POLLS THAT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ON THAT POLL SO WHY SHOULD I CARE TO PUT IT DOWN. I DON'T LIKE TO FOLLOW WHAT PAGES SAY ANYWAYS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW UNLESS IT SCIENTIFIC IT DOESN'T MATTER NONE ARE SCIENTIFIC ENOUGH FOR ME.  LIKE FIBA AND THE 400,000,000 PLAYERS THEY KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCOUTS ALL OVER THE WORLD. THEY WORK WITH HIGH SCHOOL LIKE EVERY OTHER SPORT DOES. OVER 400 MIL PEOPLE PLAY COMPETITIVE BASKETBALL IN THE WORLD. NEXT TO NOTHING MAKE ANYTHING OF IT IN THE CASH AREA. PLUS MANY PLAYERS ARE MULTI SPORT ATHLETES. EVERYONE IN HIGH SCHOOLS ARE MULTI SPORT ATHLETES.

I would respond to this but I can't understand a what ideas you are trying to convey here.   Dude...  Please take the time and WRITE better!!!!!

I TALK TO PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRYS

And you have talked to more than 40 million people from other "countrys"?  lololol!!

IF I WENT TO JAPAN WITH A BASKETBALL MANY PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO PLAY.

You would more likely get funny looks from people.  For the record, when I went I focused on the culture and the sights.  Basketball wasn't a part of that.  But baseball was!

I DID AGREE GOLF COST ALOT OF MONEY

That doesn't change the fact that golf is popular in Japan while basketball is barely a blip on the sports radar there.

I DISAGREE HE IS STILL A HUGE STAR AND STILL IN THE TOP 10 IN POPULARITY.

No.  He is barely in the public eye anymore.  People younger than 20 barely even know who the guy is.

KOBE WAS BIG BEFORE HE EVEN PUT ON THE YELLOW AND PURPLE.

No one but the NBA scouts or the biggest of the biggest basketball fans knew who he was before then.

EVERYONE WHO IS ANYONE PLAYS IN NEW YORK BEFORE THEY BECOME FAMOUS.

Like Wilt Chamberlain.  Michael Jordan.  Gordie Howe.  Barry Bonds.  Joe Montana....   Yeah...  They all needed to play for New York teams to become well know.    Wait...   The DIDN'T!!!

EUROPE ISN'T THAT LARGE IT WAS A SUMMER TOUR IT CAN GET THROW EUROPE IN A SUMMER YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE UNITED STATES IN THAT TIME.

No, you can hit a number of regions in the USA in a summer.   With enough money one can visit all of the lower 48 in one summer.  But if you did that, there is no way you could get a read on the physical or cultural geography of the area.  Europe is about as big as the contiguous United States, too.  You need to learn your geography.

YEP THEY DO AND THEY HAVE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS. LOOK A FIBA WEB PAGES.

Pick a sport and go to that sports federation web pages.  You will find the exact same thing for them, too.  It doesn't support anything you say.  Please stop repeating the same BS over and over and over.

IT WOULD SUCK IF 7 FOOTERS CAN GRAB EVERY BALL.

In my opinion, it would make the game more interesting and more fun to watch.

WHAT UNBELIEVABLE ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE BASKETBALL MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAS PLAYED BASKETBALL AT LEAST ONCE.

Nothing wrong with that comment.  It is when you say stupid things like basketball is the 2nd most popular sport in Japan and Russia that causes your lack of credibility.

I GOT A'S AND B'S SO YOU ARE WRONG LOL. "DUDE"

Then either you had teachers who didn't care if they did their job or you were sluffed along through the system in some way.

JUST BECAUSE NO ONE PLAYS BASKETBALL IN THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT POPULAR IN THAT COUNTRY. THE UNITED STATES ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST IN BASKETBALL

Perhaps not.  But it is the exact kind of logic you use when you take the word of one rich Russian over the actual stats on the matter.

WELL CAN FOLLOW WHAT FIFA SAYS IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW WHAT FIBA SAYS.

The year those Federations were created is a verifiable fact.  Not some slanted guess.  I got the years they were created from FIFA and FIBA themselves.  But, I wouldn't trust total number of world wide football players from FIFA either.  I don't believe they are the most honest organization in the world anyway.  But there is no reason to lie about when they were created.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH HOCKEY YOU NEED TON'S OF CRAP TO PLAY HOCKEY.

Really?  In college we played broom ball.  Which is basically ice hockey but with a ball, no skates, and a taped up broom.

I CAN GO TO ANY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND I BET IN EVERY COUNTRY I CAN GET PEOPLE TO PLAY BASKETBALL WITH ME.

If you go to the right places and have enough time, sure.

WAS AN BASKETBALL PLAYER AND YOU HAD NO CLUE WHO HE WAS UNTIL I SPOKE OF HIM ON THE OTHER POST

Actually, the only reason I know the name was because on our sports station one of the drive time hosts is a former NBA player who was friends with the guy and mentions him from time to time.  Basketball I find to be a dull sport, but when he talks about it I can listen because he does it in an entertaining way.

HE HAS 11 TITLES AS A COACH 6 WITH THE LAKERS 5 WITH THE LAKERS. TWO AS A PLAYER WITH THE KNICKS.

Thanks for enlightening me.  So, he has 11 Laker titles.  I could have sworn he coached the Bulls. 

HOW PLAYERS ARE PLACES ON A COURT LIKE A TRI ANGLE FIGURE EVERY GOOD STYLE AND ONE JACKSON USES THE MOST. THERE ARE DIFFRENT WAYS TO DO IT.

Again, thank you for that little bit of basketball insight.  It will instantly be forgotten when I stop typing this sentence.

NOPE DON'T CARE.

More proof you are a sports bigot.  You think everyone should care about only the sports you like and don't believe anyone who doesn't like a sport you like.

NOT ON BASKETBALL THAT MY GAME. I READ AND FOLLOW EVERYTHING BASKETBALL.

I said it before and I will say it again...  You know the players and probably the technicalities of the game on the court.  But you don't know the business end nor do you know about the game internationally.   At all.  You overstate everything you personally like and blow off anything you don't.  It is really quite childish.
PHIL JACKSON 6 WITH THE BULLS, LAKERS 5, KNICKS 2 THAT IS 13 AND COUNTING
Yes  
#85 | 1382 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
PHIL JACKSON 6 WITH THE BULLS, LAKERS 5, KNICKS 2 THAT IS 13 AND COUNTING
Who gives a crap?
#86 | 1382 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Who gives a crap?
MATSUI HAS A WORLD SERIES.

That and $5 will get you a Starbucks coffee.  That means nothing towards what we are talking about.  YOU SAID ICH HAD THE BETTER CAREER NUMBERS WISE MAYBE WELL SOME I WANT HOME RUN'S OVER SINGLES ANYDAYS MATSUI CAN DO THAT. I DISAGREE  SINCE MATSUI OWNS AN WORLD SERIES RING AND IS AN WORLD SERIES MVP WHICH TO ME IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN EVEN AN MVP. THAT MORE IMPRESSIVE. ONLY THINK ICH HAS HIM ON IS FIELDING.

FIBA WOULD KNOW BETTER THEN ANYONE EVEN THE NBA.

Not necessarily.  They have reason to pad that number to make their own organization look bigger than it really is.  That is why you need to get the figure from NON partisan sources. 40,000,000 TO 400,000,000 BIG HUGE DIFFRENCE. HOW CAN SOMEONE MAKE A BIG MISTAKE LIKE THAT EVEN IF IT ISN'T 400 MIL IT HAS TO BE SOMEPLACE IN THAT AREA.

45-50 MILLION PEOPLE PLAY IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE.

That's crap too.  Slightly less than 1 in 4 American do NOT play basketball by ANY standard. WELL I SAY THE NUMBER IS WRONG AND ABOUT 400,000,000 PEOPLE IN AMERICAN THOSE NUMBER THAT MEANS AMERICAS TAKES CARE OF THE 45-50  MIL THEMSELVES CLOSE TO IT MORE THE A QUARTER THAT PLAYS BASKETBALL.

YOU KNOW WERE FIBA PLAYS EVERY FOUR YEARS THE OLYMPICS.

LOL....  You don't even know what FIBA does, do you? OF COURSE YOU SURE DON'T YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE BASKETBALL.

HE A BUST AND PLAYS FOR A TEAM BASKETBALL DOESN'T CARE ABOUT AT THAT...  ...CHINA CAN HAVE HIM.

None of that changes his popularity in his homeland. MOST USELESS ATHLETE EVER.  I honestly don't know why you say pointless off topic things like that.

ONLY TWO SPORTS MEAN ANYTHING IN THE OLYMPICS. FIGURE SKATING AND GYMANATICS

That may be true in Dragon's limited view.  But it certainly is not world wide.  Different areas are interested in different things.  And all sports have some interest at some level around the globe.  Too bad your myopic view prevents you from seeing that. WORLD WIDE WHAT THE HIGHEST RATED EVENTS IN BOTH OLYMPICS.   FIGURE SKATING AND GYMNATICS IT IS TRUE. LOL YOUR SAYING THEY ARE NOT THE MOST POPULAR EVENTS THAT ARE DONE.

BASKETBALL IS STRONG IN SPAIN ARGENTINA

And not may other places.  And it is still a million miles behind football. SOCCER LOL ITS NOT FOOT BALL. MORE LIKE FOOLS BALL WHICH IM REALLY GOOD AT. I WOULD KILL YOU IN TABLE SOCCER LOL. ONLY SOCCER WORTH PLAYING.

BAGGY CLOTHING THAT IS MY STYLE

Talk about looking lame...YOU LOOK LAME MY STYLE ALL OVER THE PLACE.  The high socks hold shin guards in place.  No one wants to get kicked with cleats in the shins. LOL STILL UGLY LOOKING LOL. I SHOULD CRATE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD.

I SEEN POLLS SIMILAR TO THE RESULTS THAT GUY POSTED BUT I DON'T LIKE TO USE THAT STUFF.
 I DON'T LIKE TO FOLLOW WHAT MANY PAGES SAY ANYWAYS BECAUSE ARE NOT SCIENTIFIC ENOUGH FOR ME.  LIKE FIBA AND THE 400,000,000 PLAYERS THEY SAID IS MORE SCIENTIFC THEY WOULD  KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCOUTS ALL OVER THE WORLD. THEY WORK WITH HIGH SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS ABOVE ALL THEY SHOULD KNOW THE REAL NUMBERS AND HOW CAN IT BE 360,000,000 OF NOT POSSIBLE IN MY VIEW
I would respond to this but I can't understand a what ideas you are trying to convey here.   Dude...  Please take the time and WRITE better!!!!!

I TALK TO PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRYS

And you have talked to more than 40 million people from other "countrys"?  lololol!! NOT FOOL I TALK TO PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES GIRLS. ONE GIRL SAID SHE WAS EQUAL VARSITY IN HER COUNTRY'S.  SHE SAID IT WAS A POPULAR GAME IN HER AREA. SHE KNEW WHO JORDAN WAS ALSO.

IF I WENT TO JAPAN WITH A BASKETBALL MANY PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO PLAY.

You would more likely get funny looks from people.  For the record, when I went I focused on the culture and the sights.  Basketball wasn't a part of that.  But baseball was!
YOU DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT DUDE. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL.  I'M NOT GOING TO JAPAN TO FOLLOW HOCKEY IT NOT MY BAME.
I DID AGREE GOLF COST ALOT OF MONEY

That doesn't change the fact that golf is popular in Japan while basketball is barely a blip on the sports radar there. YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA DUDE YOU NEVER LIVED IN JAPAN. YOU CAN VISIT IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT AT ALL.

I DISAGREE HE IS STILL A HUGE STAR AND STILL IN THE TOP 10 IN POPULARITY.

No.  He is barely in the public eye anymore.  People younger than 20 barely even know who the guy is. WELL HIS BRAND IS THE MOST POPULAR CLOTHING BRAND IN THE WORLD HOW CAN THAT BE IF PEOPLE UNDER 20 DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS. HE IS THE GEORGE FOREMAN OF CLOTHING MANY PEOPLE NO IDEA GEORGE WAS EVEN A BOXING THEY KNOW HIM FOR HIS GRILL.   BUT JORDAN IS STILL WELL KNOWN HE IS IN THE TOP 10 IN THE WORLD. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW YOU NEVER FOLLOWED JORDAN ANYWAYS. PEOPLE STILL LINE UP TO SPEND 300 BUCKS FOR A RARE PAIR OF JORDAN SHOES. LIKE I SAID IT WAS ON CNBC TALKING ABOUT JORDAN THE BRAND PEOPLE PAY A GRAND IN JAPAN FOR A USED PAIR OF JORDANS.

KOBE WAS BIG BEFORE HE EVEN PUT ON THE YELLOW AND PURPLE.

No one but the NBA scouts or the biggest of the biggest basketball fans knew who he was before then.WRONG PEOPLE KNEW WHO HE WAS IN NEW YORK. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT NEW YORK. LA ALSO MANY BIG STARS PLAYED IN LA. SAME PARK ON WHITE MAN CAN'T JUMP

EVERYONE WHO IS ANYONE PLAYS IN NEW YORK BEFORE THEY BECOME FAMOUS.

Like Wilt Chamberlain.  Michael Jordan.  Gordie Howe.  Barry Bonds.  Joe Montana....   Yeah...  They all needed to play for New York teams to become well know.    Wait...   I'M TALKING ABOUT STREET BASKETBALL NOTHING MORE AND JORDAN WAS BIG IN NEW YORK. MANY PLAYERS WERE BIG IN NEW YORK BEFORE PEOPLE KNEW WHO THE HELL THEY WERE. STRAIGHT UP. KOBE WAS ONE OF THE KINGS OF THE COURTS BEFORE HE WAS A PRO. UNLIKE YOU I FOLLOW BELOW THE PRO RANKS. I BEEN TO NEW YORK CITY TO SEE SOME OF THE PLAYERS. THEY WOULD CRUSH YOU IN BASKETBALL.

EUROPE ISN'T THAT LARGE IT WAS A SUMMER TOUR IT CAN GET THROW EUROPE IN A SUMMER YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE UNITED STATES IN THAT TIME.

No, you can hit a number of regions in the USA in a summer.   With enough money one can visit all of the lower 48 in one summer.  But if you did that, there is no way you could get a read on the physical or cultural geography of the area.  Europe is about as big as the contiguous United States, too.  NO WAY IS EUROPE AS BIG AS THE UNITED STATES LEARN YOUR GEOGRAPHY AND IT LIKE TRAVELING FROM STATE TO STATE. YOU MINUTES AWAY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY OR HOURS AWAY DEPENDING WERE YOUR FROM. You need to learn your geography.

YEP THEY DO AND THEY HAVE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS. LOOK A FIBA WEB PAGES.

Pick a sport and go to that sports federation web pages.  You will find the exact same thing for them, too.  It doesn't support anything you say.  Please stop repeating the same BS over and over and over. IT NOT BS LOL 400,000,000 IS NOT BS.

IT WOULD SUCK IF 7 FOOTERS CAN GRAB EVERY BALL.

In my opinion, it would make the game more interesting and more fun to watch. LOL IT BE STUPID AND LESS ENTERTAINING.

WHAT UNBELIEVABLE ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE BASKETBALL MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAS PLAYED BASKETBALL AT LEAST ONCE.

Nothing wrong with that comment.  It is when you say stupid things like basketball is the 2nd most popular sport in Japan and Russia that causes your lack of credibility.I NEVER SAID THAT BASKETBALL WAS THE SECOND MOST POPULAR SPORT IN JAPAN I SAID IT WAS POPULAR IN JAPAN WATCH FORBES MONEY. THEY SAID KOBE WAS THE BEST SELLING JERSEY SELLER IN JAPAN LOL YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT. WHY YOU THEY BUY HIS GREAT IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS.

I GOT A'S AND B'S SO YOU ARE WRONG LOL. "DUDE"

Then either you had teachers who didn't care if they did their job or you were sluffed along through the system in some way.LOL NEW YORK EDUCATION IS ONE OF THE BEST EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS IN AMERICA.

JUST BECAUSE NO ONE PLAYS BASKETBALL IN THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT POPULAR IN THAT COUNTRY. THE UNITED STATES ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST IN BASKETBALL


WELL CAN FOLLOW WHAT FIFA SAYS IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW WHAT FIBA SAYS.





I CAN GO TO ANY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND I BET IN EVERY COUNTRY I CAN GET PEOPLE TO PLAY BASKETBALL WITH ME.






Thanks for enlightening me.  So, he has 11 Laker titles.  I could have sworn he coached the Bulls.

HOW PLAYERS ARE PLACES ON A COURT LIKE A TRI ANGLE FIGURE EVERY GOOD STYLE AND ONE JACKSON USES THE MOST. THERE ARE DIFFRENT WAYS TO DO IT.


NOPE DON'T CARE.

More proof you are a sports bigot.  You think everyone should care about only the sports you like and don't believe anyone who doesn't like a sport you like.

NOT ON BASKETBALL THAT MY GAME. I READ AND FOLLOW EVERYTHING BASKETBALL.

I said it before and I will say it again...  You know the players and probably the technicalities of the game on the court.  But you don't know the business end nor do you know about the game internationally  LOL WATCH FORBES SPORTS MONEY YOU LEARN PLENTY FROM THAT ABOUT HOW BUSINESS IS. YOU WILL LEARN THAT THE YANKEES MADE THE MOST MONEY OVER SEA'S 2009 AND YOU WILL LEARN KOBE SOLD THE MOST JERSEYS IN JAPAN LAST YEAR OUT OF AMERICAN ATHLETES HE MADE LIKE 25 MILLION DOLLARS FROM JAPAN LAST YEAR. THEY SPOKE HOW JAPAN IS GROWING IN POPULARITY IN BASKETBALL. WATCH LITTLE EDUCATION FOR ONE INSTEAD OF CALLING PEOPLE STUPID. YOU GO TO UNSCIENTIFIC SPOTS AND THINK THEY ARE ALL CORRECT WHICH IS STUPID..   At all.  You overstate everything you personally like and blow off anything you don't.  It is really quite childish. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOCKEY LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT BASKETBALL

WHAT IS ZONE DEFENSE
WHAT IS HANG TIME
WHAT IS THE CHARITY LINE
WHAT ARE BOARDS IN BASKETBALL.
WHAT IS PICK AND ROLL
WHAT IS A FOUR POINT CONVERISON/ OR FOUR POINT PLAYER
WHAT IS UP AND DOWN
WHAT IS TRAVEL
WHAT IS DOUBLE DRIBBLE
WHAT IS A THREE POINT CONVERISON
WHAT IS A PRAYER SHOT
HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE ON THE COURT AT A TIME
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO PLAYERS FROM DIFFRENT TEAMS GRAB THE BALL AT THE SAME TIME
Yes  
#87 | 1381 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
MATSUI HAS A WORLD SERIES.

That and $5 will get you a Starbucks coffee.  That means nothing towards what we are talking about.  YOU SAID ICH HAD THE BETTER CAREER NUMBERS WISE MAYBE WELL SOME I WANT HOME RUN'S OVER SINGLES ANYDAYS MATSUI CAN DO THAT. I DISAGREE  SINCE MATSUI OWNS AN WORLD SERIES RING AND IS AN WORLD SERIES MVP WHICH TO ME IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN EVEN AN MVP. THAT MORE IMPRESSIVE. ONLY THINK ICH HAS HIM ON IS FIELDING.

FIBA WOULD KNOW BETTER THEN ANYONE EVEN THE NBA.

Not necessarily.  They have reason to pad that number to make their own organization look bigger than it really is.  That is why you need to get the figure from NON partisan sources. 40,000,000 TO 400,000,000 BIG HUGE DIFFRENCE. HOW CAN SOMEONE MAKE A BIG MISTAKE LIKE THAT EVEN IF IT ISN'T 400 MIL IT HAS TO BE SOMEPLACE IN THAT AREA.

45-50 MILLION PEOPLE PLAY IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE.

That's crap too.  Slightly less than 1 in 4 American do NOT play basketball by ANY standard. WELL I SAY THE NUMBER IS WRONG AND ABOUT 400,000,000 PEOPLE IN AMERICAN THOSE NUMBER THAT MEANS AMERICAS TAKES CARE OF THE 45-50  MIL THEMSELVES CLOSE TO IT MORE THE A QUARTER THAT PLAYS BASKETBALL.

YOU KNOW WERE FIBA PLAYS EVERY FOUR YEARS THE OLYMPICS.

LOL....  You don't even know what FIBA does, do you? OF COURSE YOU SURE DON'T YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE BASKETBALL.

HE A BUST AND PLAYS FOR A TEAM BASKETBALL DOESN'T CARE ABOUT AT THAT...  ...CHINA CAN HAVE HIM.

None of that changes his popularity in his homeland. MOST USELESS ATHLETE EVER.  I honestly don't know why you say pointless off topic things like that.

ONLY TWO SPORTS MEAN ANYTHING IN THE OLYMPICS. FIGURE SKATING AND GYMANATICS

That may be true in Dragon's limited view.  But it certainly is not world wide.  Different areas are interested in different things.  And all sports have some interest at some level around the globe.  Too bad your myopic view prevents you from seeing that. WORLD WIDE WHAT THE HIGHEST RATED EVENTS IN BOTH OLYMPICS.   FIGURE SKATING AND GYMNATICS IT IS TRUE. LOL YOUR SAYING THEY ARE NOT THE MOST POPULAR EVENTS THAT ARE DONE.

BASKETBALL IS STRONG IN SPAIN ARGENTINA

And not may other places.  And it is still a million miles behind football. SOCCER LOL ITS NOT FOOT BALL. MORE LIKE FOOLS BALL WHICH IM REALLY GOOD AT. I WOULD KILL YOU IN TABLE SOCCER LOL. ONLY SOCCER WORTH PLAYING.

BAGGY CLOTHING THAT IS MY STYLE

Talk about looking lame...YOU LOOK LAME MY STYLE ALL OVER THE PLACE.  The high socks hold shin guards in place.  No one wants to get kicked with cleats in the shins. LOL STILL UGLY LOOKING LOL. I SHOULD CRATE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD.

I SEEN POLLS SIMILAR TO THE RESULTS THAT GUY POSTED BUT I DON'T LIKE TO USE THAT STUFF.
 I DON'T LIKE TO FOLLOW WHAT MANY PAGES SAY ANYWAYS BECAUSE ARE NOT SCIENTIFIC ENOUGH FOR ME.  LIKE FIBA AND THE 400,000,000 PLAYERS THEY SAID IS MORE SCIENTIFC THEY WOULD  KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCOUTS ALL OVER THE WORLD. THEY WORK WITH HIGH SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS ABOVE ALL THEY SHOULD KNOW THE REAL NUMBERS AND HOW CAN IT BE 360,000,000 OF NOT POSSIBLE IN MY VIEW
I would respond to this but I can't understand a what ideas you are trying to convey here.   Dude...  Please take the time and WRITE better!!!!!

I TALK TO PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRYS

And you have talked to more than 40 million people from other "countrys"?  lololol!! NOT FOOL I TALK TO PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES GIRLS. ONE GIRL SAID SHE WAS EQUAL VARSITY IN HER COUNTRY'S.  SHE SAID IT WAS A POPULAR GAME IN HER AREA. SHE KNEW WHO JORDAN WAS ALSO.

IF I WENT TO JAPAN WITH A BASKETBALL MANY PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO PLAY.

You would more likely get funny looks from people.  For the record, when I went I focused on the culture and the sights.  Basketball wasn't a part of that.  But baseball was!
YOU DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT DUDE. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL.  I'M NOT GOING TO JAPAN TO FOLLOW HOCKEY IT NOT MY BAME.
I DID AGREE GOLF COST ALOT OF MONEY

That doesn't change the fact that golf is popular in Japan while basketball is barely a blip on the sports radar there. YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA DUDE YOU NEVER LIVED IN JAPAN. YOU CAN VISIT IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT AT ALL.

I DISAGREE HE IS STILL A HUGE STAR AND STILL IN THE TOP 10 IN POPULARITY.

No.  He is barely in the public eye anymore.  People younger than 20 barely even know who the guy is. WELL HIS BRAND IS THE MOST POPULAR CLOTHING BRAND IN THE WORLD HOW CAN THAT BE IF PEOPLE UNDER 20 DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS. HE IS THE GEORGE FOREMAN OF CLOTHING MANY PEOPLE NO IDEA GEORGE WAS EVEN A BOXING THEY KNOW HIM FOR HIS GRILL.   BUT JORDAN IS STILL WELL KNOWN HE IS IN THE TOP 10 IN THE WORLD. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW YOU NEVER FOLLOWED JORDAN ANYWAYS. PEOPLE STILL LINE UP TO SPEND 300 BUCKS FOR A RARE PAIR OF JORDAN SHOES. LIKE I SAID IT WAS ON CNBC TALKING ABOUT JORDAN THE BRAND PEOPLE PAY A GRAND IN JAPAN FOR A USED PAIR OF JORDANS.

KOBE WAS BIG BEFORE HE EVEN PUT ON THE YELLOW AND PURPLE.

No one but the NBA scouts or the biggest of the biggest basketball fans knew who he was before then.WRONG PEOPLE KNEW WHO HE WAS IN NEW YORK. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT NEW YORK. LA ALSO MANY BIG STARS PLAYED IN LA. SAME PARK ON WHITE MAN CAN'T JUMP

EVERYONE WHO IS ANYONE PLAYS IN NEW YORK BEFORE THEY BECOME FAMOUS.

Like Wilt Chamberlain.  Michael Jordan.  Gordie Howe.  Barry Bonds.  Joe Montana....   Yeah...  They all needed to play for New York teams to become well know.    Wait...   I'M TALKING ABOUT STREET BASKETBALL NOTHING MORE AND JORDAN WAS BIG IN NEW YORK. MANY PLAYERS WERE BIG IN NEW YORK BEFORE PEOPLE KNEW WHO THE HELL THEY WERE. STRAIGHT UP. KOBE WAS ONE OF THE KINGS OF THE COURTS BEFORE HE WAS A PRO. UNLIKE YOU I FOLLOW BELOW THE PRO RANKS. I BEEN TO NEW YORK CITY TO SEE SOME OF THE PLAYERS. THEY WOULD CRUSH YOU IN BASKETBALL.

EUROPE ISN'T THAT LARGE IT WAS A SUMMER TOUR IT CAN GET THROW EUROPE IN A SUMMER YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE UNITED STATES IN THAT TIME.

No, you can hit a number of regions in the USA in a summer.   With enough money one can visit all of the lower 48 in one summer.  But if you did that, there is no way you could get a read on the physical or cultural geography of the area.  Europe is about as big as the contiguous United States, too.  NO WAY IS EUROPE AS BIG AS THE UNITED STATES LEARN YOUR GEOGRAPHY AND IT LIKE TRAVELING FROM STATE TO STATE. YOU MINUTES AWAY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY OR HOURS AWAY DEPENDING WERE YOUR FROM. You need to learn your geography.

YEP THEY DO AND THEY HAVE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS. LOOK A FIBA WEB PAGES.

Pick a sport and go to that sports federation web pages.  You will find the exact same thing for them, too.  It doesn't support anything you say.  Please stop repeating the same BS over and over and over. IT NOT BS LOL 400,000,000 IS NOT BS.

IT WOULD SUCK IF 7 FOOTERS CAN GRAB EVERY BALL.

In my opinion, it would make the game more interesting and more fun to watch. LOL IT BE STUPID AND LESS ENTERTAINING.

WHAT UNBELIEVABLE ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE BASKETBALL MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAS PLAYED BASKETBALL AT LEAST ONCE.

Nothing wrong with that comment.  It is when you say stupid things like basketball is the 2nd most popular sport in Japan and Russia that causes your lack of credibility.I NEVER SAID THAT BASKETBALL WAS THE SECOND MOST POPULAR SPORT IN JAPAN I SAID IT WAS POPULAR IN JAPAN WATCH FORBES MONEY. THEY SAID KOBE WAS THE BEST SELLING JERSEY SELLER IN JAPAN LOL YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT. WHY YOU THEY BUY HIS GREAT IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS.

I GOT A'S AND B'S SO YOU ARE WRONG LOL. "DUDE"

Then either you had teachers who didn't care if they did their job or you were sluffed along through the system in some way.LOL NEW YORK EDUCATION IS ONE OF THE BEST EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS IN AMERICA.

JUST BECAUSE NO ONE PLAYS BASKETBALL IN THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT POPULAR IN THAT COUNTRY. THE UNITED STATES ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST IN BASKETBALL


WELL CAN FOLLOW WHAT FIFA SAYS IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW WHAT FIBA SAYS.





I CAN GO TO ANY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND I BET IN EVERY COUNTRY I CAN GET PEOPLE TO PLAY BASKETBALL WITH ME.






Thanks for enlightening me.  So, he has 11 Laker titles.  I could have sworn he coached the Bulls.

HOW PLAYERS ARE PLACES ON A COURT LIKE A TRI ANGLE FIGURE EVERY GOOD STYLE AND ONE JACKSON USES THE MOST. THERE ARE DIFFRENT WAYS TO DO IT.


NOPE DON'T CARE.

More proof you are a sports bigot.  You think everyone should care about only the sports you like and don't believe anyone who doesn't like a sport you like.

NOT ON BASKETBALL THAT MY GAME. I READ AND FOLLOW EVERYTHING BASKETBALL.

I said it before and I will say it again...  You know the players and probably the technicalities of the game on the court.  But you don't know the business end nor do you know about the game internationally  LOL WATCH FORBES SPORTS MONEY YOU LEARN PLENTY FROM THAT ABOUT HOW BUSINESS IS. YOU WILL LEARN THAT THE YANKEES MADE THE MOST MONEY OVER SEA'S 2009 AND YOU WILL LEARN KOBE SOLD THE MOST JERSEYS IN JAPAN LAST YEAR OUT OF AMERICAN ATHLETES HE MADE LIKE 25 MILLION DOLLARS FROM JAPAN LAST YEAR. THEY SPOKE HOW JAPAN IS GROWING IN POPULARITY IN BASKETBALL. WATCH LITTLE EDUCATION FOR ONE INSTEAD OF CALLING PEOPLE STUPID. YOU GO TO UNSCIENTIFIC SPOTS AND THINK THEY ARE ALL CORRECT WHICH IS STUPID..   At all.  You overstate everything you personally like and blow off anything you don't.  It is really quite childish. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOCKEY LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT BASKETBALL

WHAT IS ZONE DEFENSE
WHAT IS HANG TIME
WHAT IS THE CHARITY LINE
WHAT ARE BOARDS IN BASKETBALL.
WHAT IS PICK AND ROLL
WHAT IS A FOUR POINT CONVERISON/ OR FOUR POINT PLAYER
WHAT IS UP AND DOWN
WHAT IS TRAVEL
WHAT IS DOUBLE DRIBBLE
WHAT IS A THREE POINT CONVERISON
WHAT IS A PRAYER SHOT
HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE ON THE COURT AT A TIME
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO PLAYERS FROM DIFFRENT TEAMS GRAB THE BALL AT THE SAME TIME
YOU SAID ICH HAD THE BETTER CAREER NUMBERS WISE

In the USA, yes.  WAY better.

SINCE MATSUI OWNS AN WORLD SERIES RING

Oh God...  Back that that BS.  So...  In your opinion, Scott Brosious is a better baseball player than Ichiro Suzuki only because Brosius has a ring and was the WS MVP.   That is asinine.

HOW CAN SOMEONE MAKE A BIG MISTAKE LIKE THAT EVEN IF IT ISN'T 400 MIL IT HAS TO BE SOMEPLACE IN THAT AREA.

I didn't say it was a mistake.  I suggested that FIBA fudged the numbers in their favor.  Probably estimating everyone who ever even looked at a basketball was counted or something goofy like that....

THEMSELVES CLOSE TO IT MORE THE A QUARTER THAT PLAYS BASKETBALL.

Find some figures that show almost 25% of all americans play basketball.  That's hogwash.  Unless you count everyone who has looked at one.

OF COURSE YOU SURE DON'T YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE BASKETBALL.

I don't have to like basketball to know what the international organizations do.  You didn't deny what I said so you must agree that you do not know what FIBA even does or why they even exist.

FIGURE SKATING AND GYMNATICS IT IS TRUE. LOL YOUR SAYING THEY ARE NOT THE MOST POPULAR EVENTS THAT ARE DONE.

In this country perhaps.  But certainly not world wide.  I am saying different sports have different levels of popularity around the globe.  Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I TALK TO PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES GIRLS. ONE GIRL SAID SHE WAS EQUAL VARSITY IN HER COUNTRY'S.  SHE SAID IT WAS A POPULAR GAME IN HER AREA. SHE KNEW WHO JORDAN WAS ALSO.

So, one female you spoke to happened to play basketball, and you concluded the game is super popular all over the world.  It is hilarious that you don't know what is wrong with that....

YOU DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT DUDE. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL.

If it was around, if people were playing it, I would have noticed.  If there was an interest, it would have been on their TV's or newspapers somewhere.  It wasn't.

YOU CAN VISIT IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT AT ALL

Never claimed it made me an expert.  Only that it made my take on the situation more reliable than yours.

WELL HIS BRAND IS THE MOST POPULAR CLOTHING BRAND IN THE WORLD

Not any more.  Hell the guy was a media hermit for years before the latest series of Haines ads came out. 

PEOPLE STILL LINE UP TO SPEND 300 BUCKS FOR A RARE PAIR OF JORDAN SHOES.

Memorabilia collectors are known to spend a lot of money of stuff like that.  Most people don't care.

WRONG PEOPLE KNEW WHO HE WAS IN NEW YORK.

You might have known him as you claim to be a bigger than most fan of the game.  Just because you heard of him doesn't mean everyone in New York did.

I'M TALKING ABOUT STREET BASKETBALL

You were talking about anyone.  Nobody gives a damn about a bunch of guys playing hoops in some city park.

NO WAY IS EUROPE AS BIG AS THE UNITED STATES LEARN YOUR GEOGRAPHY

It happened to be my major.  I said they were similar in size.  Learn to read.  I think the difference is only about 200,000 square miles.  Both are over 3 million square miles.

I NEVER SAID THAT BASKETBALL WAS THE SECOND MOST POPULAR SPORT IN JAPAN

If you didn't outright say it, it was strongly implied in what you said.

NEW YORK EDUCATION IS ONE OF THE BEST EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS IN AMERICA.

(spit take)

WATCH FORBES SPORTS MONEY

I don't watch Forbes.  I read it.  Not every issue, but a few times I year I peruse it.  I am especially interested in their take on the sports business.  Nowhere have they claimed the NBA gets that kind of money out of Japan.
If I am wrong, go get the link.  They keep archived articles on their website.  It shouldn't be hard to find.

WHAT IS ZONE DEFENSE
WHAT IS HANG TIME
WHAT IS THE CHARITY LINE
WHAT ARE BOARDS IN BASKETBALL.
WHAT IS PICK AND ROLL
WHAT IS A FOUR POINT CONVERISON/ OR FOUR POINT PLAYER
WHAT IS UP AND DOWN
WHAT IS TRAVEL
WHAT IS DOUBLE DRIBBLE
WHAT IS A THREE POINT CONVERISON
WHAT IS A PRAYER SHOT
HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE ON THE COURT AT A TIME
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO PLAYERS FROM DIFFRENT TEAMS GRAB THE BALL AT THE SAME TIME


I jumped through your earlier hoops.  There is no need to keep this going.  I've demonstrated a fair knowledge for a game I do not enjoy.  Which is far more than you, being a sports bigot and all.  
#88 | 1381 days ago

(Edited by TatsuKlinga2812812)
ML31 wrote:
YOU SAID ICH HAD THE BETTER CAREER NUMBERS WISE

In the USA, yes.  WAY better.

SINCE MATSUI OWNS AN WORLD SERIES RING

Oh God...  Back that that BS.  So...  In your opinion, Scott Brosious is a better baseball player than Ichiro Suzuki only because Brosius has a ring and was the WS MVP.   That is asinine.

HOW CAN SOMEONE MAKE A BIG MISTAKE LIKE THAT EVEN IF IT ISN'T 400 MIL IT HAS TO BE SOMEPLACE IN THAT AREA.

I didn't say it was a mistake.  I suggested that FIBA fudged the numbers in their favor.  Probably estimating everyone who ever even looked at a basketball was counted or something goofy like that....

THEMSELVES CLOSE TO IT MORE THE A QUARTER THAT PLAYS BASKETBALL.

Find some figures that show almost 25% of all americans play basketball.  That's hogwash.  Unless you count everyone who has looked at one.

OF COURSE YOU SURE DON'T YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE BASKETBALL.

I don't have to like basketball to know what the international organizations do.  You didn't deny what I said so you must agree that you do not know what FIBA even does or why they even exist.

FIGURE SKATING AND GYMNATICS IT IS TRUE. LOL YOUR SAYING THEY ARE NOT THE MOST POPULAR EVENTS THAT ARE DONE.

In this country perhaps.  But certainly not world wide.  I am saying different sports have different levels of popularity around the globe.  Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I TALK TO PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES GIRLS. ONE GIRL SAID SHE WAS EQUAL VARSITY IN HER COUNTRY'S.  SHE SAID IT WAS A POPULAR GAME IN HER AREA. SHE KNEW WHO JORDAN WAS ALSO.

So, one female you spoke to happened to play basketball, and you concluded the game is super popular all over the world.  It is hilarious that you don't know what is wrong with that....

YOU DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT DUDE. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL.

If it was around, if people were playing it, I would have noticed.  If there was an interest, it would have been on their TV's or newspapers somewhere.  It wasn't.

YOU CAN VISIT IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT AT ALL

Never claimed it made me an expert.  Only that it made my take on the situation more reliable than yours.

WELL HIS BRAND IS THE MOST POPULAR CLOTHING BRAND IN THE WORLD

Not any more.  Hell the guy was a media hermit for years before the latest series of Haines ads came out. 

PEOPLE STILL LINE UP TO SPEND 300 BUCKS FOR A RARE PAIR OF JORDAN SHOES.

Memorabilia collectors are known to spend a lot of money of stuff like that.  Most people don't care.

WRONG PEOPLE KNEW WHO HE WAS IN NEW YORK.

You might have known him as you claim to be a bigger than most fan of the game.  Just because you heard of him doesn't mean everyone in New York did.

I'M TALKING ABOUT STREET BASKETBALL

You were talking about anyone.  Nobody gives a damn about a bunch of guys playing hoops in some city park.

NO WAY IS EUROPE AS BIG AS THE UNITED STATES LEARN YOUR GEOGRAPHY

It happened to be my major.  I said they were similar in size.  Learn to read.  I think the difference is only about 200,000 square miles.  Both are over 3 million square miles.

I NEVER SAID THAT BASKETBALL WAS THE SECOND MOST POPULAR SPORT IN JAPAN

If you didn't outright say it, it was strongly implied in what you said.

NEW YORK EDUCATION IS ONE OF THE BEST EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS IN AMERICA.

(spit take)

WATCH FORBES SPORTS MONEY

I don't watch Forbes.  I read it.  Not every issue, but a few times I year I peruse it.  I am especially interested in their take on the sports business.  Nowhere have they claimed the NBA gets that kind of money out of Japan.
If I am wrong, go get the link.  They keep archived articles on their website.  It shouldn't be hard to find.

WHAT IS ZONE DEFENSE
WHAT IS HANG TIME
WHAT IS THE CHARITY LINE
WHAT ARE BOARDS IN BASKETBALL.
WHAT IS PICK AND ROLL
WHAT IS A FOUR POINT CONVERISON/ OR FOUR POINT PLAYER
WHAT IS UP AND DOWN
WHAT IS TRAVEL
WHAT IS DOUBLE DRIBBLE
WHAT IS A THREE POINT CONVERISON
WHAT IS A PRAYER SHOT
HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE ON THE COURT AT A TIME
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO PLAYERS FROM DIFFRENT TEAMS GRAB THE BALL AT THE SAME TIME


I jumped through your earlier hoops.  There is no need to keep this going.  I've demonstrated a fair knowledge for a game I do not enjoy.  Which is far more than you, being a sports bigot and all.  
What ever dude I don't know why I argue with you on everything you always say I'm wrong so why talk to you

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

PED'S, TRAINING, YANKEES, BASKETBALL, AND IT GOES ON AND ON.  YOU EVEN THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT MY STATE THEN ME.
Yes  
#89 | 1380 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
What ever dude I don't know why I argue with you on everything you always say I'm wrong so why talk to you

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

PED'S, TRAINING, YANKEES, BASKETBALL, AND IT GOES ON AND ON.  YOU EVEN THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT MY STATE THEN ME.
you always say I'm wrong

Because on most things you are.  I don't go around arguing just for the sake of arguing. 

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

And you don't even see what is wrong there...  You never actually provide any kind of evidence to support your goofy takes on things.  All you give is your word.  But then, you contradict yourself ALL the time.  You can't type.  You have a very hard time conveying your message.  And the few times you have dished out a link, it is to something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand or it actually supports the OTHER point.  Not yours.

PED'S,

I seem to have a better grasp of them than you do.  You think they are magic.  I present them as science.

TRAINING,

We never really discussed training.

YANKEES,

Oh boy...  For a Yankee fan you sure don't have a very good idea of what goes on with your own ball club.  You are the most uninformed Yankee fan I have ever spoken to.

BASKETBALL,

Once again, you know the players.  You know the plays.  I would trust you over myself to select a fantasy team.  But the business end?  You have no clue.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON.

That it does.

MAKE ME LOOK LIKE I HAVE SOME HOMO THING GOING ON.

??????????   You are the one who keeps bring up the "homo" thing.  I honestly don't care what your sexual preferences are.  You are ignorant about sports no matter what you like in the bedroom.

Just so you know...  The way you keep bringing up homosexuality and you bringing up that you like the lady's when no one asked or even cared....  It could cause a lesser person to think you have those tendencies and are just trying to hide them because you don't want to admit them yourself.  I wouldn't go there...  But others might.   So I suggest keeping the "homo" comments off the board.
#90 | 1380 days ago

ML31 wrote:
you always say I'm wrong

Because on most things you are.  I don't go around arguing just for the sake of arguing. 

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

And you don't even see what is wrong there...  You never actually provide any kind of evidence to support your goofy takes on things.  All you give is your word.  But then, you contradict yourself ALL the time.  You can't type.  You have a very hard time conveying your message.  And the few times you have dished out a link, it is to something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand or it actually supports the OTHER point.  Not yours.

PED'S,

I seem to have a better grasp of them than you do.  You think they are magic.  I present them as science.

TRAINING,

We never really discussed training.

YANKEES,

Oh boy...  For a Yankee fan you sure don't have a very good idea of what goes on with your own ball club.  You are the most uninformed Yankee fan I have ever spoken to.

BASKETBALL,

Once again, you know the players.  You know the plays.  I would trust you over myself to select a fantasy team.  But the business end?  You have no clue.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON.

That it does.

MAKE ME LOOK LIKE I HAVE SOME HOMO THING GOING ON.

??????????   You are the one who keeps bring up the "homo" thing.  I honestly don't care what your sexual preferences are.  You are ignorant about sports no matter what you like in the bedroom.

Just so you know...  The way you keep bringing up homosexuality and you bringing up that you like the lady's when no one asked or even cared....  It could cause a lesser person to think you have those tendencies and are just trying to hide them because you don't want to admit them yourself.  I wouldn't go there...  But others might.   So I suggest keeping the "homo" comments off the board.
you always say I'm wrong

Because on most things you are. I don't go around arguing just for the sake of arguing.

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

And you don't even see what is wrong there... You never actually provide any kind of evidence to support your goofy takes on things. All you give is your word. But then, you contradict yourself ALL the time. You can't type. You have a very hard time conveying your message. And the few times you have dished out a link, it is to something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand or it actually supports the OTHER point. Not yours.

PED'S,

I seem to have a better grasp of them than you do. You think they are magic. I present them as science. NOT YOU FIND SOME STUPID WEB PAGES THAT ONLY POINT YOU VIEW SOMETHING I DON'T DO.

TRAINING,

We never really discussed training. YOUR SAYING CORE TRAINING DON'T WORK.

YANKEES,

Oh boy... For a Yankee fan you sure don't have a very good idea of what goes on with your own ball club WRONG YOU DON'T YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL. You are the most uninformed Yankee fan I have ever spoken to. WELL WRONG
WHAT DON'T I KNOW. FIRST OFF THEY HAVE 27 WORLD SERIES NO OTHER TEAM IS EVEN CLOSE. THE BEEN TOO THE WORLD SERIES 39 TIMES. THEY HAVE A NETWORK WORTH LIKE 3 BILLION DOLLARS. THEY HAVE AN TEAM WORTH HALF THAT. THEY HAD THE BEST PLAYER EVER WELL PLAYERS. NUMBERS 3/4 NO ONE ARE BETTER THEN. THEY LIVE IN THE BRONZ. WHAT DOES ON WITH MY BALL CLUB I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LOL. THEY ARE THE MOST POPULAR BASEBALL TEAM IN THE WORLD AND ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR TEAM'S IN AMERICA ACCROSS THE WORLD. THEY HAVE A DEAL WITH THE COWBOY TO PRODUCE THE FOOD THEY SELL AT EACH STADIUM. ITS CALLED LEGENDS HOSPITALITY. WHAT EVER THEY TOUCH MAKES CASH.

THE YANKEES WON WORLD SERIES IN EVERY DECADE FROM THE 20'S TO TODAY EXCEPT THE 80'S BUT THEY DID HAVE THE MOST WINS IN THAT DECADE THEN ANY OTHER TEAM.
THE TEAM CAME FROM BALTIMORE TO PLAY AS THE HIGHLANDERS THEN CHANGE THE NAME TO YANKEES. THEY PLAYED IN THE POLO GROUNDS FOR A BIT BUT WERE TOSSED OUT OF THE PARK BECAUSE THE GIANTS BECAME JEALOUS BECAUSE THE YANKEES WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN THE GIANTS. THEN A SHORT TIME AFTER THE THE GIANTS MOVE TO CALI WERE IT TOOK THEM OVER 50 YEARS TOO WIN A WORLD SERIES LOL ASHAME IN MY BOOK A TEAM OF HISTORY TO GO THAT LONG WITHOUT WINNING ANYTHING. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PAYROLL THIS YEAR NOW SO YOU CAN'T SAY CRAP ANYMORE ABOUT THE YANKEES. SEAMS LIKE EVERY TEAM IS SPENDING BUT THE JOKE MET'S THEY ARE THE JOKES OF BASEBALL. BUT THAT NOT ALL ABOUT THE YANKEES. THEY BUILT YANKEE STADIUM WHICHWAS FITTED TOO THE BEST PLAYER EVER BABE RUTH SMART UNLIKE THE MET'S WITH CITY FIELD MAKE A PARK THE TEAM CAN'T PLAY IN.

BASKETBALL

Once again, you know the players. You know the plays. I would trust you over myself to select a fantasy team. But the business end? You have no clue.YOU HAVE NO IDEA FIRST THING FIRST IS THE TALENT YOUR GOING TO HIRE TO PLAY FOR YOU. THAT IS THE MAIN THING YOU DO. WELL FRONT OFFICE TO HIRE YOU WOULD HIRE CAP I WOULD HIRE GOOD PEOPLE TO HELP ME. THEN YOU GET SCOUTS TO LOOK AT TALENT AND YOU HIRED THEM. YOU HAVE TO GET THE COACH THAT KNOW HOW TO USE THE TALENT THE BEST. BASKETBALL NOT ANY COACH WILL DO. BASEBALL IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM YOU CAN USE AN PITCHING COACH AND THEY WOULD WIN. WRONG I KNOW THE BUSINESS END.YOU THINK ONLY 40,000,000 PEOPLE IN THE WORLD EVEN KNOW WHAT BASKETBALL IS YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL. YOUR THE ONE WHO HAS NOT CLUE ABOUT THE BUSINESS END YOU THINK YOU DO. THEY PLAY WITH A SOFT CAP. LAKERS WON THE SECOND MOST TITLES THE CELTICS ARE THE BEST TEAM. DID YOU KNOW THE LAKERS WERE NOT FROM LA.

AS FOR FIBA THEY ARE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE WORLD THEY CREATE THE RULES FOR CLUBS BECAUSE NO EVERY COUNTRY FOLLOWS THE RULES. LIKE SOME FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT. THEY TELL TEAMS WHAT IS NEEDED LIKE BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. THEY ALSO HAVE WORLD EVENTS AND PLAY IN THE OLYMPICS. UNLIKE THE NBA THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROLL OF THE WNBA OTHER THEN THE SAME OWNERS BUT FIBA CONTROLLS THE TEAM'S OF BOTH MEN AND WOMEN THEY HAVE GROUPS ACCORDING TO WHAT PART OF THE WORLD THEY ARE AT. THEY STARTED IN THE EARLY 30'S. I EVEN SAID IN THE OTHER POLLS THEY ARE THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE WORLD IN BASKETBALL.

IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING FIND OUT THE LA LAKERS FIRST LOCATION.
AS FOR BUSINESS YOU HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL COMISH IN ALL OF SPORTS.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON.

IF I DEVELOPED A BASKETBALL TEAM IT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOUR CLUB. MY PLAYERS WOULD FIT IN BETTER. I WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY.
Yes  
#91 | 1380 days ago

ML31 wrote:
you always say I'm wrong

Because on most things you are.  I don't go around arguing just for the sake of arguing. 

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

And you don't even see what is wrong there...  You never actually provide any kind of evidence to support your goofy takes on things.  All you give is your word.  But then, you contradict yourself ALL the time.  You can't type.  You have a very hard time conveying your message.  And the few times you have dished out a link, it is to something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand or it actually supports the OTHER point.  Not yours.

PED'S,

I seem to have a better grasp of them than you do.  You think they are magic.  I present them as science.

TRAINING,

We never really discussed training.

YANKEES,

Oh boy...  For a Yankee fan you sure don't have a very good idea of what goes on with your own ball club.  You are the most uninformed Yankee fan I have ever spoken to.

BASKETBALL,

Once again, you know the players.  You know the plays.  I would trust you over myself to select a fantasy team.  But the business end?  You have no clue.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON.

That it does.

MAKE ME LOOK LIKE I HAVE SOME HOMO THING GOING ON.

??????????   You are the one who keeps bring up the "homo" thing.  I honestly don't care what your sexual preferences are.  You are ignorant about sports no matter what you like in the bedroom.

Just so you know...  The way you keep bringing up homosexuality and you bringing up that you like the lady's when no one asked or even cared....  It could cause a lesser person to think you have those tendencies and are just trying to hide them because you don't want to admit them yourself.  I wouldn't go there...  But others might.   So I suggest keeping the "homo" comments off the board.
you always say I'm wrong

Because on most things you are. I don't go around arguing just for the sake of arguing.

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

And you don't even see what is wrong there... You never actually provide any kind of evidence to support your goofy takes on things. All you give is your word. But then, you contradict yourself ALL the time. You can't type. You have a very hard time conveying your message. And the few times you have dished out a link, it is to something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand or it actually supports the OTHER point. Not yours.

PED'S,

I seem to have a better grasp of them than you do. You think they are magic. I present them as science. NOT YOU FIND SOME STUPID WEB PAGES THAT ONLY POINT YOU VIEW SOMETHING I DON'T DO.

TRAINING,

We never really discussed training. YOUR SAYING CORE TRAINING DON'T WORK.

YANKEES,

Oh boy... For a Yankee fan you sure don't have a very good idea of what goes on with your own ball club WRONG YOU DON'T YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL. You are the most uninformed Yankee fan I have ever spoken to. WELL WRONG
WHAT DON'T I KNOW. FIRST OFF THEY HAVE 27 WORLD SERIES NO OTHER TEAM IS EVEN CLOSE. THE BEEN TOO THE WORLD SERIES 39 TIMES. THEY HAVE A NETWORK WORTH LIKE 3 BILLION DOLLARS. THEY HAVE AN TEAM WORTH HALF THAT. THEY HAD THE BEST PLAYER EVER WELL PLAYERS. NUMBERS 3/4 NO ONE ARE BETTER THEN. THEY LIVE IN THE BRONZ. WHAT DOES ON WITH MY BALL CLUB I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LOL. THEY ARE THE MOST POPULAR BASEBALL TEAM IN THE WORLD AND ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR TEAM'S IN AMERICA ACCROSS THE WORLD. THEY HAVE A DEAL WITH THE COWBOY TO PRODUCE THE FOOD THEY SELL AT EACH STADIUM. ITS CALLED LEGENDS HOSPITALITY. WHAT EVER THEY TOUCH MAKES CASH.

THE YANKEES WON WORLD SERIES IN EVERY DECADE FROM THE 20'S TO TODAY EXCEPT THE 80'S BUT THEY DID HAVE THE MOST WINS IN THAT DECADE THEN ANY OTHER TEAM.
THE TEAM CAME FROM BALTIMORE TO PLAY AS THE HIGHLANDERS THEN CHANGE THE NAME TO YANKEES. THEY PLAYED IN THE POLO GROUNDS FOR A BIT BUT WERE TOSSED OUT OF THE PARK BECAUSE THE GIANTS BECAME JEALOUS BECAUSE THE YANKEES WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN THE GIANTS. THEN A SHORT TIME AFTER THE THE GIANTS MOVE TO CALI WERE IT TOOK THEM OVER 50 YEARS TOO WIN A WORLD SERIES LOL ASHAME IN MY BOOK A TEAM OF HISTORY TO GO THAT LONG WITHOUT WINNING ANYTHING. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PAYROLL THIS YEAR NOW SO YOU CAN'T SAY CRAP ANYMORE ABOUT THE YANKEES. SEAMS LIKE EVERY TEAM IS SPENDING BUT THE JOKE MET'S THEY ARE THE JOKES OF BASEBALL. BUT THAT NOT ALL ABOUT THE YANKEES. THEY BUILT YANKEE STADIUM WHICHWAS FITTED TOO THE BEST PLAYER EVER BABE RUTH SMART UNLIKE THE MET'S WITH CITY FIELD MAKE A PARK THE TEAM CAN'T PLAY IN.

BASKETBALL

Once again, you know the players. You know the plays. I would trust you over myself to select a fantasy team. But the business end? You have no clue.YOU HAVE NO IDEA FIRST THING FIRST IS THE TALENT YOUR GOING TO HIRE TO PLAY FOR YOU. THAT IS THE MAIN THING YOU DO. WELL FRONT OFFICE TO HIRE YOU WOULD HIRE CAP I WOULD HIRE GOOD PEOPLE TO HELP ME. THEN YOU GET SCOUTS TO LOOK AT TALENT AND YOU HIRED THEM. YOU HAVE TO GET THE COACH THAT KNOW HOW TO USE THE TALENT THE BEST. BASKETBALL NOT ANY COACH WILL DO. BASEBALL IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM YOU CAN USE AN PITCHING COACH AND THEY WOULD WIN. WRONG I KNOW THE BUSINESS END.YOU THINK ONLY 40,000,000 PEOPLE IN THE WORLD EVEN KNOW WHAT BASKETBALL IS YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL. YOUR THE ONE WHO HAS NOT CLUE ABOUT THE BUSINESS END YOU THINK YOU DO. THEY PLAY WITH A SOFT CAP. LAKERS WON THE SECOND MOST TITLES THE CELTICS ARE THE BEST TEAM. DID YOU KNOW THE LAKERS WERE NOT FROM LA.

AS FOR FIBA THEY ARE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE WORLD THEY CREATE THE RULES FOR CLUBS BECAUSE NO EVERY COUNTRY FOLLOWS THE RULES. LIKE SOME FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT. THEY TELL TEAMS WHAT IS NEEDED LIKE BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. THEY ALSO HAVE WORLD EVENTS AND PLAY IN THE OLYMPICS. UNLIKE THE NBA THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROLL OF THE WNBA OTHER THEN THE SAME OWNERS BUT FIBA CONTROLLS THE TEAM'S OF BOTH MEN AND WOMEN THEY HAVE GROUPS ACCORDING TO WHAT PART OF THE WORLD THEY ARE AT. THEY STARTED IN THE EARLY 30'S. I EVEN SAID IN THE OTHER POLLS THEY ARE THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE WORLD IN BASKETBALL.

IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING FIND OUT THE LA LAKERS FIRST LOCATION.
AS FOR BUSINESS YOU HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL COMISH IN ALL OF SPORTS.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON.

IF I DEVELOPED A BASKETBALL TEAM IT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOUR CLUB. MY PLAYERS WOULD FIT IN BETTER. I WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY.
Yes  
#92 | 1380 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
you always say I'm wrong

Because on most things you are. I don't go around arguing just for the sake of arguing.

AND ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

And you don't even see what is wrong there... You never actually provide any kind of evidence to support your goofy takes on things. All you give is your word. But then, you contradict yourself ALL the time. You can't type. You have a very hard time conveying your message. And the few times you have dished out a link, it is to something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand or it actually supports the OTHER point. Not yours.

PED'S,

I seem to have a better grasp of them than you do. You think they are magic. I present them as science. NOT YOU FIND SOME STUPID WEB PAGES THAT ONLY POINT YOU VIEW SOMETHING I DON'T DO.

TRAINING,

We never really discussed training. YOUR SAYING CORE TRAINING DON'T WORK.

YANKEES,

Oh boy... For a Yankee fan you sure don't have a very good idea of what goes on with your own ball club WRONG YOU DON'T YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL. You are the most uninformed Yankee fan I have ever spoken to. WELL WRONG
WHAT DON'T I KNOW. FIRST OFF THEY HAVE 27 WORLD SERIES NO OTHER TEAM IS EVEN CLOSE. THE BEEN TOO THE WORLD SERIES 39 TIMES. THEY HAVE A NETWORK WORTH LIKE 3 BILLION DOLLARS. THEY HAVE AN TEAM WORTH HALF THAT. THEY HAD THE BEST PLAYER EVER WELL PLAYERS. NUMBERS 3/4 NO ONE ARE BETTER THEN. THEY LIVE IN THE BRONZ. WHAT DOES ON WITH MY BALL CLUB I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LOL. THEY ARE THE MOST POPULAR BASEBALL TEAM IN THE WORLD AND ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR TEAM'S IN AMERICA ACCROSS THE WORLD. THEY HAVE A DEAL WITH THE COWBOY TO PRODUCE THE FOOD THEY SELL AT EACH STADIUM. ITS CALLED LEGENDS HOSPITALITY. WHAT EVER THEY TOUCH MAKES CASH.

THE YANKEES WON WORLD SERIES IN EVERY DECADE FROM THE 20'S TO TODAY EXCEPT THE 80'S BUT THEY DID HAVE THE MOST WINS IN THAT DECADE THEN ANY OTHER TEAM.
THE TEAM CAME FROM BALTIMORE TO PLAY AS THE HIGHLANDERS THEN CHANGE THE NAME TO YANKEES. THEY PLAYED IN THE POLO GROUNDS FOR A BIT BUT WERE TOSSED OUT OF THE PARK BECAUSE THE GIANTS BECAME JEALOUS BECAUSE THE YANKEES WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN THE GIANTS. THEN A SHORT TIME AFTER THE THE GIANTS MOVE TO CALI WERE IT TOOK THEM OVER 50 YEARS TOO WIN A WORLD SERIES LOL ASHAME IN MY BOOK A TEAM OF HISTORY TO GO THAT LONG WITHOUT WINNING ANYTHING. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PAYROLL THIS YEAR NOW SO YOU CAN'T SAY CRAP ANYMORE ABOUT THE YANKEES. SEAMS LIKE EVERY TEAM IS SPENDING BUT THE JOKE MET'S THEY ARE THE JOKES OF BASEBALL. BUT THAT NOT ALL ABOUT THE YANKEES. THEY BUILT YANKEE STADIUM WHICHWAS FITTED TOO THE BEST PLAYER EVER BABE RUTH SMART UNLIKE THE MET'S WITH CITY FIELD MAKE A PARK THE TEAM CAN'T PLAY IN.

BASKETBALL

Once again, you know the players. You know the plays. I would trust you over myself to select a fantasy team. But the business end? You have no clue.YOU HAVE NO IDEA FIRST THING FIRST IS THE TALENT YOUR GOING TO HIRE TO PLAY FOR YOU. THAT IS THE MAIN THING YOU DO. WELL FRONT OFFICE TO HIRE YOU WOULD HIRE CAP I WOULD HIRE GOOD PEOPLE TO HELP ME. THEN YOU GET SCOUTS TO LOOK AT TALENT AND YOU HIRED THEM. YOU HAVE TO GET THE COACH THAT KNOW HOW TO USE THE TALENT THE BEST. BASKETBALL NOT ANY COACH WILL DO. BASEBALL IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM YOU CAN USE AN PITCHING COACH AND THEY WOULD WIN. WRONG I KNOW THE BUSINESS END.YOU THINK ONLY 40,000,000 PEOPLE IN THE WORLD EVEN KNOW WHAT BASKETBALL IS YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL. YOUR THE ONE WHO HAS NOT CLUE ABOUT THE BUSINESS END YOU THINK YOU DO. THEY PLAY WITH A SOFT CAP. LAKERS WON THE SECOND MOST TITLES THE CELTICS ARE THE BEST TEAM. DID YOU KNOW THE LAKERS WERE NOT FROM LA.

AS FOR FIBA THEY ARE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE WORLD THEY CREATE THE RULES FOR CLUBS BECAUSE NO EVERY COUNTRY FOLLOWS THE RULES. LIKE SOME FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT. THEY TELL TEAMS WHAT IS NEEDED LIKE BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. THEY ALSO HAVE WORLD EVENTS AND PLAY IN THE OLYMPICS. UNLIKE THE NBA THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROLL OF THE WNBA OTHER THEN THE SAME OWNERS BUT FIBA CONTROLLS THE TEAM'S OF BOTH MEN AND WOMEN THEY HAVE GROUPS ACCORDING TO WHAT PART OF THE WORLD THEY ARE AT. THEY STARTED IN THE EARLY 30'S. I EVEN SAID IN THE OTHER POLLS THEY ARE THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE WORLD IN BASKETBALL.

IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING FIND OUT THE LA LAKERS FIRST LOCATION.
AS FOR BUSINESS YOU HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL COMISH IN ALL OF SPORTS.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON.

IF I DEVELOPED A BASKETBALL TEAM IT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOUR CLUB. MY PLAYERS WOULD FIT IN BETTER. I WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY.
NOT YOU FIND SOME STUPID WEB PAGES THAT ONLY POINT YOU VIEW SOMETHING I DON'T DO.

No, you don't look anything up.  You admitted this already.   You have your opinion based on your own wishes and assumptions and nothing will sway you from that.

YOUR SAYING CORE TRAINING DON'T WORK.

I never said that.

WRONG YOU DON'T YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL

?   I know I have lots beyond clues.  You have tons of false clues.  You don't even know your own team's roster.

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PAYROLL THIS YEAR NOW SO YOU CAN'T SAY CRAP ANYMORE ABOUT THE YANKEES.

They ALWAYS have a huge payroll.  This is why you are clueless.  Comments like that.  You don't realize that the huge Yankee payroll is why EVERYONE talks crap about the Yankees.

YOU HAVE TO GET THE COACH THAT KNOW HOW TO USE THE TALENT THE BEST. BASKETBALL NOT ANY COACH WILL DO.

I know enough about basketball that the coach is really a redundant component.  The star player runs the team.  The coach has to coddle the start player.  The star player has to be OK with the coach.  Not the other way around.

BASEBALL IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM YOU CAN USE AN PITCHING COACH AND THEY WOULD WIN.

Pitching coaches in baseball are a dime a dozen.  Just look at Dave Righetti.  People thought he sucked for years when the team wasn't that good.  But give him Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez....  Suddenly he is a great coach.

YOU THINK ONLY 40,000,000 PEOPLE IN THE WORLD EVEN KNOW WHAT BASKETBALL IS

I never said that.  You would have a better reputation if when you cite what people say you be correct.  I have to correct you on this ALL THE TIME!!!

AS FOR FIBA THEY ARE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE WORLD THEY CREATE THE RULES FOR CLUBS BECAUSE NO EVERY COUNTRY FOLLOWS THE RULES. LIKE SOME FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT. THEY TELL TEAMS WHAT IS NEEDED LIKE BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.

That is not entirely true.  You really don't know what FIBA does.  Just as I suspected.
Let me enlighten you.  FIBA is the international governing body for international basketball.    They oversee national federations and some leagues.

IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING FIND OUT THE LA LAKERS FIRST LOCATION.

I already know where the Lagers came from.  And the Clippers.  And the Pistons.  And the Jazz.  None of that has anything to do with basketball on an international scale.
Like I have always said.  You are a sports bigot.  There are sports I don't care for.  But I don't ridicule them.  I know of them.  I learned about them some.  That is how I determined what I like and what I don't.  You don't give any sport a chance.  You have your preconceived notions and stick with them no matter what.  You admittedly don't even TRY to learn a little something about the sport you are ridiculing.  If you did, it would give your opinion a little foundation.  But you don't and you come across like a 5 year old who won't try a new food.

For the record...  If I ran a basketball team, I would find the best basketball minds I could and have them run it.  I know I have no skill in evaluating players for drafts for trades.  

It's funny that you keep harping on worthless crap that has nothing to do with what we were talking about.  Or how you keep harping on stuff I have already agreed with you on.  It's as if you know your original points are crap and don't want to even try to defend them.
#93 | 1379 days ago

LOL FROM THE METS FAN WHO TEAM WILL BE ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN BASEBALL. I GIVE CREDIT FOR THE NAT THEY ARE MOVING WHILE THE HORRIBLE NEW YORK MET'S AN COMPLETE Embarrassment TO THE CITY AND STATE OF NEW YORK. KNICKS ARE GETTING BETTER, NETS ARE GETTING BETTER, GIANTS AND JETS ARE GOOD WE HAVE THIS LONLY CRAPY TEAM WHO BELONGS WITH THE PIRATES, NATIONALS, ROYALS.   I'M NOT JEALOUS OF CARL CRAWFORD.    THE FACT IS IF THEY REALLY NEED HIM THEY WOULD OF HAD HIM. BRET GARDNER IS GOOD ENOUGH AND IN MY VIEW THE LEFT FIELD SPOT SHOULD BE A POWER POSTION. CRAWFORD DOENS'T HAVE POWER. WE HAVE OUR OWN CRAWFORD HIS NAME IS GRANDERSON FAST AND HAS POWER. THIS IS UNLIKE CRAWFORD. I THINK THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF THE YANKEES SLEVES ANYWAYS.  MANY


I just truly don't think they should give a speed guy who main roll is speed a 7 year 140+ million dollar contract. I don't think it is cool to give a 32 year old pitcher with back problems 160+ million dollars but the Yankees will more likly do it. A-Rod was crazy but at least he has power and had speed now he doesn't have speed he use to do too hip  That is Crawfords main tool is his legs.  LOOK AT THE JOKE SHORT STOP JOSE REYES



And the Yankees payroll will STILL be at least $30M more. So I can say whatever I want, Mr. Bandwagon. WAAA WAAA WAAA CRY BABY. KNOW YOUR STUPID RED SOX FAN'S CAN NO LONGER CRY ABOUT WHAT THE YANKEES DO BECAUSE AS SHOWN YOUR JUST AS BAD.    KNOW YOU CAN NO LONGER BITCH

In case you didn't notice, the Red Sox are spending this money because they HAVE to. NO THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE POOR RAY'S THEY ARE TORCHED I FEEL BAD FOR THAT TEAM. You can't expect to compete when another team in your division consistently outspends you by 50%. 50% I NEVER SEEN YOUR PAYROLL AT 100 MILLION IT BEEN USALLY WAY ABOVE THAT REALLY. SO 50% DOESN'T WORK.  THE YANKEES BEEN AROUND THE SAME PAYROLL FOR EVER SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL.




NOT YOU FIND SOME STUPID WEB PAGES THAT ONLY POINT YOU VIEW SOMETHING I DON'T DO.

No, you don't look anything up.  You admitted this already.   You have your opinion based on your own wishes and assumptions and nothing will sway you from that. WHEN IT COME TO STUFF LIKE PED'S I HAVE MY FACTS BECAUSE I LIVED IT MYSELF I DON'T NEED SOME STUPID WEB PAGE TO TELL ME ANYTHING.  TELL YOU WHAT ASK AN ELDERLY HOW HGH WORKS FOR THEM MOST CALL IT THE WONDER DRUG IT WORKS GREAT.

YOUR SAYING CORE TRAINING DON'T WORK.

I never said that. THAT WHAT YOU SAID YOU CORE HAD NOT MUCH TO DO WITH A BAT SWING. BLAH BLAH BLAH

WRONG YOU DON'T YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL

?   I know I have lots beyond clues.  You have tons of false clues.  You don't even know your own team's roster. I KNOW MY TEAM ROSTER. THE YANKEES ROSTER I WATCH THE TEAM EVERY SINGLE DAY.   SO YOUR WRONG SAY THAT JUNK.

OUTFIELD YOU HAVE GARDNER WHO USALLY HITS 9 AS A DOUBLE LEAD OFF MAN.  YOU HAVE GRANDERSON WHO HITS EITHER 2 OR WHERE EVER IN THE ORDER DEPENDING ON THE PITCHING. SWISHER SAME THING. YOU HAVE A-ROD WHO HITS FOUR, YOU HAVE DEREK JETER SECOND OR FIRST HE HITS, TEX 3RD, CANO 5TH SPOT.   THE PITCHERS ARE AS FOLLOWED YOU HAVE SABATHIA, HUGHES, BURNETTE, NOVA, UNDESIDED.   RELIEF  YOU HAVE RIVERA, LOGEN, CHAMBERLAN MUST OF THAT IS UNDESIDED AT THIS POINT.  CATCHING NO DESIDED AT THIS POINT EITHER.

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PAYROLL THIS YEAR NOW SO YOU CAN'T SAY CRAP ANYMORE ABOUT THE YANKEES. I'M TALKING GIANTS NOT YANKEES.

They ALWAYS have a huge payroll.  This is why you are clueless.  Comments like that.  You don't realize that the huge Yankee payroll is why EVERYONE talks crap about the Yankees. EVERYONE TALKS CRAP ABOUT EVERY TEAM IN BASEBALL NOTHING NEW.

YOU HAVE TO GET THE COACH THAT KNOW HOW TO USE THE TALENT THE BEST. BASKETBALL NOT ANY COACH WILL DO.

I know enough about basketball that the coach is really a redundant component.  The star player runs the team.  The coach has to coddle the start player.  The star player has to be OK with the coach.  Not the other way around. IT IS NOT LIKE THAT IT IS A PARNTERSHIP BUT YOU HAVE TO COACH THE ROLE PLAYERS IN THE GAME BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW A CERTAIN WAY. YOU ARE REALLY THERE TO COACH THE ROLE PLAYERS OR THE PEE ON'S IN THE GAME WHO ARE IMPORTANT IN THE SPORT.

BASEBALL IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM YOU CAN USE AN PITCHING COACH AND THEY WOULD WIN.





AS FOR FIBA THEY ARE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE WORLD THEY CREATE THE RULES FOR CLUBS BECAUSE NO EVERY COUNTRY FOLLOWS THE RULES. LIKE SOME FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT.

THEY TELL TEAMS WHAT IS NEEDED LIKE BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.=They oversee national federations and some leagues SAME THING.

That is not entirely true.  You really don't know what FIBA does.  Just as I suspected.
Let me enlighten you.  FIBA is the international governing body for international basketball.    They oversee national federations and some leagues , LIKE TELLING THEM WHAT EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO USE. HOW THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE. THEY TELL THE RULES WHEN OTHER TEAM'S ARE PLAYING ANOTHER COUNTRY BECAUSE MANY TIME'S THE TEAM'S PLAY DIFFERENT RULES. MANY TIME THE THREE POINT LINE IS DIFFERENT. THE FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT EVEN FOULS CAN BE DIFFERENT. THEY DO MORE THEN THAT THEY ARE THE GOVERNING BODY OF BASKETBALL  BUT I'M NOT GOING INTO THAT



For the record...  If I ran a basketball team, I would find the best basketball minds I could and have them run it.  I know I have no skill in evaluating players for drafts for trades.  IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THEN THAT DUDE.
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#94 | 1379 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
LOL FROM THE METS FAN WHO TEAM WILL BE ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN BASEBALL. I GIVE CREDIT FOR THE NAT THEY ARE MOVING WHILE THE HORRIBLE NEW YORK MET'S AN COMPLETE Embarrassment TO THE CITY AND STATE OF NEW YORK. KNICKS ARE GETTING BETTER, NETS ARE GETTING BETTER, GIANTS AND JETS ARE GOOD WE HAVE THIS LONLY CRAPY TEAM WHO BELONGS WITH THE PIRATES, NATIONALS, ROYALS.   I'M NOT JEALOUS OF CARL CRAWFORD.    THE FACT IS IF THEY REALLY NEED HIM THEY WOULD OF HAD HIM. BRET GARDNER IS GOOD ENOUGH AND IN MY VIEW THE LEFT FIELD SPOT SHOULD BE A POWER POSTION. CRAWFORD DOENS'T HAVE POWER. WE HAVE OUR OWN CRAWFORD HIS NAME IS GRANDERSON FAST AND HAS POWER. THIS IS UNLIKE CRAWFORD. I THINK THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF THE YANKEES SLEVES ANYWAYS.  MANY


I just truly don't think they should give a speed guy who main roll is speed a 7 year 140+ million dollar contract. I don't think it is cool to give a 32 year old pitcher with back problems 160+ million dollars but the Yankees will more likly do it. A-Rod was crazy but at least he has power and had speed now he doesn't have speed he use to do too hip  That is Crawfords main tool is his legs.  LOOK AT THE JOKE SHORT STOP JOSE REYES



And the Yankees payroll will STILL be at least $30M more. So I can say whatever I want, Mr. Bandwagon. WAAA WAAA WAAA CRY BABY. KNOW YOUR STUPID RED SOX FAN'S CAN NO LONGER CRY ABOUT WHAT THE YANKEES DO BECAUSE AS SHOWN YOUR JUST AS BAD.    KNOW YOU CAN NO LONGER BITCH

In case you didn't notice, the Red Sox are spending this money because they HAVE to. NO THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE POOR RAY'S THEY ARE TORCHED I FEEL BAD FOR THAT TEAM. You can't expect to compete when another team in your division consistently outspends you by 50%. 50% I NEVER SEEN YOUR PAYROLL AT 100 MILLION IT BEEN USALLY WAY ABOVE THAT REALLY. SO 50% DOESN'T WORK.  THE YANKEES BEEN AROUND THE SAME PAYROLL FOR EVER SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL.




NOT YOU FIND SOME STUPID WEB PAGES THAT ONLY POINT YOU VIEW SOMETHING I DON'T DO.

No, you don't look anything up.  You admitted this already.   You have your opinion based on your own wishes and assumptions and nothing will sway you from that. WHEN IT COME TO STUFF LIKE PED'S I HAVE MY FACTS BECAUSE I LIVED IT MYSELF I DON'T NEED SOME STUPID WEB PAGE TO TELL ME ANYTHING.  TELL YOU WHAT ASK AN ELDERLY HOW HGH WORKS FOR THEM MOST CALL IT THE WONDER DRUG IT WORKS GREAT.

YOUR SAYING CORE TRAINING DON'T WORK.

I never said that. THAT WHAT YOU SAID YOU CORE HAD NOT MUCH TO DO WITH A BAT SWING. BLAH BLAH BLAH

WRONG YOU DON'T YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT ALL

?   I know I have lots beyond clues.  You have tons of false clues.  You don't even know your own team's roster. I KNOW MY TEAM ROSTER. THE YANKEES ROSTER I WATCH THE TEAM EVERY SINGLE DAY.   SO YOUR WRONG SAY THAT JUNK.

OUTFIELD YOU HAVE GARDNER WHO USALLY HITS 9 AS A DOUBLE LEAD OFF MAN.  YOU HAVE GRANDERSON WHO HITS EITHER 2 OR WHERE EVER IN THE ORDER DEPENDING ON THE PITCHING. SWISHER SAME THING. YOU HAVE A-ROD WHO HITS FOUR, YOU HAVE DEREK JETER SECOND OR FIRST HE HITS, TEX 3RD, CANO 5TH SPOT.   THE PITCHERS ARE AS FOLLOWED YOU HAVE SABATHIA, HUGHES, BURNETTE, NOVA, UNDESIDED.   RELIEF  YOU HAVE RIVERA, LOGEN, CHAMBERLAN MUST OF THAT IS UNDESIDED AT THIS POINT.  CATCHING NO DESIDED AT THIS POINT EITHER.

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PAYROLL THIS YEAR NOW SO YOU CAN'T SAY CRAP ANYMORE ABOUT THE YANKEES. I'M TALKING GIANTS NOT YANKEES.

They ALWAYS have a huge payroll.  This is why you are clueless.  Comments like that.  You don't realize that the huge Yankee payroll is why EVERYONE talks crap about the Yankees. EVERYONE TALKS CRAP ABOUT EVERY TEAM IN BASEBALL NOTHING NEW.

YOU HAVE TO GET THE COACH THAT KNOW HOW TO USE THE TALENT THE BEST. BASKETBALL NOT ANY COACH WILL DO.

I know enough about basketball that the coach is really a redundant component.  The star player runs the team.  The coach has to coddle the start player.  The star player has to be OK with the coach.  Not the other way around. IT IS NOT LIKE THAT IT IS A PARNTERSHIP BUT YOU HAVE TO COACH THE ROLE PLAYERS IN THE GAME BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW A CERTAIN WAY. YOU ARE REALLY THERE TO COACH THE ROLE PLAYERS OR THE PEE ON'S IN THE GAME WHO ARE IMPORTANT IN THE SPORT.

BASEBALL IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM YOU CAN USE AN PITCHING COACH AND THEY WOULD WIN.





AS FOR FIBA THEY ARE LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE WORLD THEY CREATE THE RULES FOR CLUBS BECAUSE NO EVERY COUNTRY FOLLOWS THE RULES. LIKE SOME FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT.

THEY TELL TEAMS WHAT IS NEEDED LIKE BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.=They oversee national federations and some leagues SAME THING.

That is not entirely true.  You really don't know what FIBA does.  Just as I suspected.
Let me enlighten you.  FIBA is the international governing body for international basketball.    They oversee national federations and some leagues , LIKE TELLING THEM WHAT EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO USE. HOW THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE. THEY TELL THE RULES WHEN OTHER TEAM'S ARE PLAYING ANOTHER COUNTRY BECAUSE MANY TIME'S THE TEAM'S PLAY DIFFERENT RULES. MANY TIME THE THREE POINT LINE IS DIFFERENT. THE FREE THROW LINES ARE DIFFERENT EVEN FOULS CAN BE DIFFERENT. THEY DO MORE THEN THAT THEY ARE THE GOVERNING BODY OF BASKETBALL  BUT I'M NOT GOING INTO THAT



For the record...  If I ran a basketball team, I would find the best basketball minds I could and have them run it.  I know I have no skill in evaluating players for drafts for trades.  IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THEN THAT DUDE.
LOL FROM THE METS FAN WHO TEAM WILL BE ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN BASEBALL.

I'm not a Mets fan.  And what team a person is a fan of means nothing regarding their baseball knowledge.  Comments like that is why you don't get taken seriously.

I GIVE CREDIT FOR THE NAT THEY ARE MOVING

I wouldn't.  They overpaid a good, but not great outfielder.  They were already looking better because they were improving their farm system.  The Werth signing is just a waste of money and was foolish.

KNICKS ARE GETTING BETTER, NETS ARE GETTING BETTER, GIANTS AND JETS ARE GOOD WE HAVE THIS LONLY CRAPY TEAM WHO BELONGS WITH THE PIRATES, NATIONALS, ROYALS.   I'M NOT JEALOUS OF CARL CRAWFORD.    THE FACT IS IF THEY REALLY NEED HIM THEY WOULD OF HAD HIM. BRET GARDNER IS GOOD ENOUGH AND IN MY VIEW THE LEFT FIELD SPOT SHOULD BE A POWER POSTION. CRAWFORD DOENS'T HAVE POWER. WE HAVE OUR OWN CRAWFORD HIS NAME IS GRANDERSON FAST AND HAS POWER. THIS IS UNLIKE CRAWFORD. I THINK THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF THE YANKEES SLEVES ANYWAYS.  MANY

Who gives a crap?  And what the prompted all that?

THE YANKEES BEEN AROUND THE SAME PAYROLL FOR EVER SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL.

The big deal is the Yankees always being more than 25% higher than their nearest competitiors payroll and always being more than twice the MLB mean is the problem.  You Yankee kool-ade drinkers are incapable of seeing that.

WHEN IT COME TO STUFF LIKE PED'S I HAVE MY FACTS BECAUSE I LIVED IT MYSELF I DON'T NEED SOME STUPID WEB PAGE TO TELL ME ANYTHING.

Uh huh.  And barbers give themselves hair cuts and doctors self diagnose because they know what they are doing.
You have no idea how foolish the above comment is.  Which is funny and sad at the same time.

THAT WHAT YOU SAID YOU CORE HAD NOT MUCH TO DO WITH A BAT SWING.

All I said was that hitting power comes from the legs.  Sure would be nice if you would read what was really there instead of what you think was there...

I KNOW MY TEAM ROSTER. THE YANKEES ROSTER I WATCH THE TEAM EVERY SINGLE DAY

You demonstrated some time ago that you have no idea who was a free agent and who was drafted.

EVERYONE TALKS CRAP ABOUT EVERY TEAM IN BASEBALL NOTHING NEW.

This isn't like fans in a rivalry talking trash about the other team.  Like a Dodger fan talking crap about the Giants or a Card fan talking crap about the Cubs.  This is a universal thing that has no emotional bearing at all.  People talk crap about the Yankees because of what they spend.  And for NO OTHER REASON.

IT IS NOT LIKE THAT IT IS A PARNTERSHIP

It's not a partnership when the player can get the coach fired.

SAME THING.

As I said, not exactly.  You are implying things that aren't a part of the Federation's charter.  You need to watch out about doing that sort of thing.

IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THEN THAT DUDE.

I was generalizing because there was no need to go into every little thing there is to running not just a basketball team, but a sports team in general.  Also, how complicated it is has nothing to do with my comment anyway.

You are deflecting again.  You do that a LOT.  It tells me that you can't support your own points and don't want to admit someone else is right about something, so you talk about something else.
#95 | 1379 days ago

ML31 wrote:
LOL FROM THE METS FAN WHO TEAM WILL BE ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN BASEBALL.

I'm not a Mets fan.  And what team a person is a fan of means nothing regarding their baseball knowledge.  Comments like that is why you don't get taken seriously.

I GIVE CREDIT FOR THE NAT THEY ARE MOVING

I wouldn't.  They overpaid a good, but not great outfielder.  They were already looking better because they were improving their farm system.  The Werth signing is just a waste of money and was foolish.

KNICKS ARE GETTING BETTER, NETS ARE GETTING BETTER, GIANTS AND JETS ARE GOOD WE HAVE THIS LONLY CRAPY TEAM WHO BELONGS WITH THE PIRATES, NATIONALS, ROYALS.   I'M NOT JEALOUS OF CARL CRAWFORD.    THE FACT IS IF THEY REALLY NEED HIM THEY WOULD OF HAD HIM. BRET GARDNER IS GOOD ENOUGH AND IN MY VIEW THE LEFT FIELD SPOT SHOULD BE A POWER POSTION. CRAWFORD DOENS'T HAVE POWER. WE HAVE OUR OWN CRAWFORD HIS NAME IS GRANDERSON FAST AND HAS POWER. THIS IS UNLIKE CRAWFORD. I THINK THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF THE YANKEES SLEVES ANYWAYS.  MANY

Who gives a crap?  And what the prompted all that?

THE YANKEES BEEN AROUND THE SAME PAYROLL FOR EVER SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL.

The big deal is the Yankees always being more than 25% higher than their nearest competitiors payroll and always being more than twice the MLB mean is the problem.  You Yankee kool-ade drinkers are incapable of seeing that.

WHEN IT COME TO STUFF LIKE PED'S I HAVE MY FACTS BECAUSE I LIVED IT MYSELF I DON'T NEED SOME STUPID WEB PAGE TO TELL ME ANYTHING.

Uh huh.  And barbers give themselves hair cuts and doctors self diagnose because they know what they are doing.
You have no idea how foolish the above comment is.  Which is funny and sad at the same time.

THAT WHAT YOU SAID YOU CORE HAD NOT MUCH TO DO WITH A BAT SWING.

All I said was that hitting power comes from the legs.  Sure would be nice if you would read what was really there instead of what you think was there...

I KNOW MY TEAM ROSTER. THE YANKEES ROSTER I WATCH THE TEAM EVERY SINGLE DAY

You demonstrated some time ago that you have no idea who was a free agent and who was drafted.

EVERYONE TALKS CRAP ABOUT EVERY TEAM IN BASEBALL NOTHING NEW.

This isn't like fans in a rivalry talking trash about the other team.  Like a Dodger fan talking crap about the Giants or a Card fan talking crap about the Cubs.  This is a universal thing that has no emotional bearing at all.  People talk crap about the Yankees because of what they spend.  And for NO OTHER REASON.

IT IS NOT LIKE THAT IT IS A PARNTERSHIP

It's not a partnership when the player can get the coach fired.

SAME THING.

As I said, not exactly.  You are implying things that aren't a part of the Federation's charter.  You need to watch out about doing that sort of thing.

IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THEN THAT DUDE.

I was generalizing because there was no need to go into every little thing there is to running not just a basketball team, but a sports team in general.  Also, how complicated it is has nothing to do with my comment anyway.

You are deflecting again.  You do that a LOT.  It tells me that you can't support your own points and don't want to admit someone else is right about something, so you talk about something else.
ALL THAT MET STUFF WAS FOR SOMEONE ELSE. MY BAD I WROTE IT WITH THE STATEMENT IN WORD PAD
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#96 | 1379 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
ALL THAT MET STUFF WAS FOR SOMEONE ELSE. MY BAD I WROTE IT WITH THE STATEMENT IN WORD PAD
Even the parts where you copied and pasted from my post?

Where is the post you thought you were responding to?
#97 | 1379 days ago

(Edited by TatsuKlinga2812812)
ML31 wrote:
Even the parts where you copied and pasted from my post?

Where is the post you thought you were responding to?
FINAL COMMENT ON THIS TREAD . I KNOW BARBERS WHO DO THERE OWN HAIR BUT MOST OF THE ONES I KNOW WHAT SHORT HAIR ANYWAYS WHICH ISN'T HARD TO TAKE CAR OF I'M TAKING MY
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#98 | 1379 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
FINAL COMMENT ON THIS TREAD . I KNOW BARBERS WHO DO THERE OWN HAIR BUT MOST OF THE ONES I KNOW WHAT SHORT HAIR ANYWAYS WHICH ISN'T HARD TO TAKE CAR OF I'M TAKING MY
I can't believe I have to explain this...

I know what MY post was.   You said there was stuff that was meant for someone else.  Where is THAT post?  And who was the "someone" you referred to?
#99 | 1378 days ago

ML31 wrote:
I can't believe I have to explain this...

I know what MY post was.   You said there was stuff that was meant for someone else.  Where is THAT post?  And who was the "someone" you referred to?
met fan on another post
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#100 | 1378 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
met fan on another post
What post?  Yours and mine are the only recent ones on this thread.
#101 | 1377 days ago

(Edited by TatsuKlinga2812812)
ML31 wrote:
What post?  Yours and mine are the only recent ones on this thread.
I know Barbers who cut there own hair. This isn't that hard to do. But I guess you can't.  Most people I know do there own hair.

WHAT IS ZONE DEFENSE
WHAT IS HANG TIME
WHAT IS THE CHARITY LINE
WHAT ARE BOARDS IN BASKETBALL.
WHAT IS PICK AND ROLL
WHAT IS A FOUR POINT CONVERISON/ OR FOUR POINT PLAYER
WHAT IS UP AND DOWN
WHAT IS TRAVEL
WHAT IS DOUBLE DRIBBLE
WHAT IS A THREE POINT CONVERISON
WHAT IS A PRAYER SHOT
HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE ON THE COURT AT A TIME
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO PLAYERS FROM DIFFRENT TEAMS
What Is zone defense.
How much is a single free throw shot worth.
What is a up and down violation something you do a lot
Who has the most points in the NBA ever.
Who has the most MVPS ever in the NBA
Who has the most finals mvps.
What is a Quadruple Double
What is a Triple Double
Who was the last to do an Quadruple double.
What is a foul away from the ball.
How many fouls do you have before your out of the game.
What is bench scoring
What is an Quintuple-double
How many times has an Quintuple-double been done
Who was the last ABA champions
Who were the first NBA champions
What MLB teams scored the most points ever.
How many minutes are over time.
What a three second violation
What is the rare hang time violation
What team won the most games in a single season in the NBA
What team had the least points in a game.
When was the three point put in
JAME NAYSMITH VERISON OF BASKETBALL HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED ON AN BASKETBALL COURT AT THE SAME TIME.    DID THEY DRIBBLE AND WHAT KIND OF BALL DID THEY USE.








I'm leaving the thread for good there is a test you think you know more about basketball then me answer those questions. 

IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE EASY QUESTIONS I PUT FORTH THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO RUN AN NBA TEAM.  YOU CAN
Yes  
#102 | 1377 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I know Barbers who cut there own hair. This isn't that hard to do. But I guess you can't.  Most people I know do there own hair.

WHAT IS ZONE DEFENSE
WHAT IS HANG TIME
WHAT IS THE CHARITY LINE
WHAT ARE BOARDS IN BASKETBALL.
WHAT IS PICK AND ROLL
WHAT IS A FOUR POINT CONVERISON/ OR FOUR POINT PLAYER
WHAT IS UP AND DOWN
WHAT IS TRAVEL
WHAT IS DOUBLE DRIBBLE
WHAT IS A THREE POINT CONVERISON
WHAT IS A PRAYER SHOT
HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE ON THE COURT AT A TIME
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO PLAYERS FROM DIFFRENT TEAMS
What Is zone defense.
How much is a single free throw shot worth.
What is a up and down violation something you do a lot
Who has the most points in the NBA ever.
Who has the most MVPS ever in the NBA
Who has the most finals mvps.
What is a Quadruple Double
What is a Triple Double
Who was the last to do an Quadruple double.
What is a foul away from the ball.
How many fouls do you have before your out of the game.
What is bench scoring
What is an Quintuple-double
How many times has an Quintuple-double been done
Who was the last ABA champions
Who were the first NBA champions
What MLB teams scored the most points ever.
How many minutes are over time.
What a three second violation
What is the rare hang time violation
What team won the most games in a single season in the NBA
What team had the least points in a game.
When was the three point put in
JAME NAYSMITH VERISON OF BASKETBALL HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED ON AN BASKETBALL COURT AT THE SAME TIME.    DID THEY DRIBBLE AND WHAT KIND OF BALL DID THEY USE.








I'm leaving the thread for good there is a test you think you know more about basketball then me answer those questions. 

IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE EASY QUESTIONS I PUT FORTH THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO RUN AN NBA TEAM.  YOU CAN
Cutting your own hair is possible, but it is a foolish thing to do.  For similar reasons why doctors don't self diagnose.  You, sir, are the very definition of someone unclear on the concept.

Why leave more questions?  Can't you read?  I already told you I demonstrated that I have more knowledge of a sport I don't care for than you do for a sport you don't care for.  It is how I decided I don't care for it.  You are ignorant to other sports and choose to hate without knowing anything about them.  That is a part of bigotry.  

Further, I already told you if I owned an NBA team I would hire people who knew basketball to run the team.

Do you actually READ the posts?
#103 | 1376 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Cutting your own hair is possible, but it is a foolish thing to do.  For similar reasons why doctors don't self diagnose.  You, sir, are the very definition of someone unclear on the concept.

Why leave more questions?  Can't you read?  I already told you I demonstrated that I have more knowledge of a sport I don't care for than you do for a sport you don't care for.  It is how I decided I don't care for it.  You are ignorant to other sports and choose to hate without knowing anything about them.  That is a part of bigotry.  

Further, I already told you if I owned an NBA team I would hire people who knew basketball to run the team.

Do you actually READ the posts?
I played Soccer so I understand Soccer. I'm an good dribbler with my feet my hand and feet skills are crazy. For basketball and soccer. All I know don't hire David Beckum because he is garbage. He said he wares number 23 in honor of Michael Jordan like Lebron please take it off both are not worthy of that number lol.

I gave you easy questions you can't answer one how much do you really know about basketball. NOTHING answers my question easy questions.
Yes  
#104 | 1376 days ago

TatsuKlinga2812812 wrote:
I played Soccer so I understand Soccer. I'm an good dribbler with my feet my hand and feet skills are crazy. For basketball and soccer. All I know don't hire David Beckum because he is garbage. He said he wares number 23 in honor of Michael Jordan like Lebron please take it off both are not worthy of that number lol.

I gave you easy questions you can't answer one how much do you really know about basketball. NOTHING answers my question easy questions.
And I've played basketball.  Just playing the game doesn't give you insights into the pros and business end.  And the level of the game you played may not even give you a true understanding of it.  I doubt you even know what offsides is.  At one point, Beckham was one the best players in the world.  It's like ragging on Jack Nicklaus now because he can't play like he did 25 years ago. 

I don't need to answer your ridiculous questions.  I already went through a set of them and I proved my point then.  If you would learn to read and comprehend the posts you would know why.  Go back and read my response again.  If you have something new to add, do it.  If you have something to say in direct response to it, do it.  But don't just repeat the same crap over and over.  It makes you look like a moron.
#105 | 1366 days ago

I don't think PED's will directly influence a ballplayers performance, but they will help his recovery time from an injury.
Yes  
#106 | 1258 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Manny 555 - retired rather than face 100 game suspension for 2nd positive test - 'nuff said!
Yes  
#107 | 1253 days ago

Biggest joke of poll in April. It's all subjective.
No  
#108 | 1240 days ago

PEDs work, but they can only hide declining skills so much.  Just ask Derek Jeter.  I believe Manny Ramirez was 1-for-17 or something close to that when he announced his retirement after being caught again.
Yes  
#109 | 1204 days ago

Jose Bautista laughs at this poll
Yes  
#110 | 1051 days ago

Why would players think they could play better from those toy candy despesers ?
No  
#111 | 1051 days ago
BDV4U (+)

ompy1000 wrote:
Why would players think they could play better from those toy candy despesers ?
That's PEZ, not PEDs
Yes  
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#113 | 1051 days ago

ompy1000 wrote:
Why would players think they could play better from those toy candy despesers ?
dam steriods , messed my thinking
No  

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