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Back to the Old Ways
Well NASCAR announced they will be returing to the "43" point system to make things easier for everyone. What's your take NASCAR fans? Is this a good move? I would post the article, but you know me, I'm lazy...just go to NASCAR .com and read for yourself, then get back here and answer the dang poll......
Featured by: SusanVette at 1/30/11 11:50AM
| Closed on 03/01/11 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | NASCAR | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Team Breakout:
15 Fans 
 1. Will this really be easier? (0 points)
40%a. Yes
13%b. No
47%c. Other
 2. What do you think about the "Wild Card" entries? (0 points)
47%a. Seems Fair
20%b. What a crock?
33%c. other?
 3. Does this new point system "even" the field? (0 points)
40%a. Yes
7%b. No
53%c. Other
 4. Should NASCAR make more changes? (0 points)
33%a. Yes
20%b. No
40%c. Other
7%d. You really should leave the poll making to the experts Jen

 &nbp;
TOP COMMENT * * * * * * * * * * * *
#6 | 870 days ago

ironhead_mike wrote:
I think the jury is out on whether it will be easier or not. I give them credit though - they had to do something to change up the way that drivers compete for the championship.

I think I like the Wild Card entries in the Chase idea. There should be good reason why someone who was outside the top ten in points is allowed to compete in the championship races - and winners are as good a reason as any.

I suppose the new system evens the field for now. Humans typically always take the path of least resistance. It's only a matter of time before teams & drivers find a way to use the system to gain max benefit with minimal effort. Then we'll see more changes.

I think there have to be more changes coming in order for this sport to keep evolving.
1.) I don't think all the races need to be as long as they are. I'm not in favor of indiscriminately slashing lengths off either though.
2.) They probably already have a grand scheme in mind, but there are some tracks that should, and will lose dates. I hope that additions like Iowa and Road America could be included somehow, as well as the return of a track like The Rock (won't happen, I know).
3.) I like the idea of making drivers choose which championship they want to chase. I wonder though, if someone like Edwards runs the full season, won't that make it confusing? I really think more needs to be done for the Nationwide series. It would be great to allow that series to be a development series for owners as well - rather than a proving ground for Gibbs, Roush, Childress, etal. I am reminded of Clint Bowyer's statement in reference to a Gibb's car: 'A monkey could drive that car and win.'

There's more, but I have written enough.
You could never write enough, I like hearing others thoughts on Nascar and the changes...I am of fan of some and others, I just shake my head and roll my eyes. There were other changes to, but this one has been disputed the most, that's why I asked....
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
  
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#1 | 871 days ago

For those of us mathmatically challenged, prolly yes.
"The Chase" concept was for 10 entries originally
Will have to wait and see on this on
Of course, fresh ideas bring fresh fans.....
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#2 | 871 days ago

Maybe this year good hard racing will be the key. Last year was great, I think it can only get better....

1. Yes  2. Seems Fair  3. Other  4. You really should leave the poll making to the experts Jen  
#3 | 870 days ago

#4. A couple of surprise right turns would make for a more interesting race. Also encourage crashing. Maybe have hood mounted machine guns on all of the cars. Tracks with random potholes. Maybe a few elderly people roaming around the track.

I should be the one running NASCAR.
1. Other  2. other?  3. Other  4. Yes  
#4 | 870 days ago

Lobotomy Jones wrote:
#4. A couple of surprise right turns would make for a more interesting race. Also encourage crashing. Maybe have hood mounted machine guns on all of the cars. Tracks with random potholes. Maybe a few elderly people roaming around the track.

I should be the one running NASCAR.
Road courses have the right turns....Death Race fan?.....
Potholes stop the racing all together.....I nominate you, I am not a fan of Mr Helton......
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#5 | 870 days ago

I think the jury is out on whether it will be easier or not. I give them credit though - they had to do something to change up the way that drivers compete for the championship.

I think I like the Wild Card entries in the Chase idea. There should be good reason why someone who was outside the top ten in points is allowed to compete in the championship races - and winners are as good a reason as any.

I suppose the new system evens the field for now. Humans typically always take the path of least resistance. It's only a matter of time before teams & drivers find a way to use the system to gain max benefit with minimal effort. Then we'll see more changes.

I think there have to be more changes coming in order for this sport to keep evolving.
1.) I don't think all the races need to be as long as they are. I'm not in favor of indiscriminately slashing lengths off either though.
2.) They probably already have a grand scheme in mind, but there are some tracks that should, and will lose dates. I hope that additions like Iowa and Road America could be included somehow, as well as the return of a track like The Rock (won't happen, I know).
3.) I like the idea of making drivers choose which championship they want to chase. I wonder though, if someone like Edwards runs the full season, won't that make it confusing? I really think more needs to be done for the Nationwide series. It would be great to allow that series to be a development series for owners as well - rather than a proving ground for Gibbs, Roush, Childress, etal. I am reminded of Clint Bowyer's statement in reference to a Gibb's car: 'A monkey could drive that car and win.'

There's more, but I have written enough.
1. Other  2. Seems Fair  3. Other  4. Yes  
#6 | 870 days ago

ironhead_mike wrote:
I think the jury is out on whether it will be easier or not. I give them credit though - they had to do something to change up the way that drivers compete for the championship.

I think I like the Wild Card entries in the Chase idea. There should be good reason why someone who was outside the top ten in points is allowed to compete in the championship races - and winners are as good a reason as any.

I suppose the new system evens the field for now. Humans typically always take the path of least resistance. It's only a matter of time before teams & drivers find a way to use the system to gain max benefit with minimal effort. Then we'll see more changes.

I think there have to be more changes coming in order for this sport to keep evolving.
1.) I don't think all the races need to be as long as they are. I'm not in favor of indiscriminately slashing lengths off either though.
2.) They probably already have a grand scheme in mind, but there are some tracks that should, and will lose dates. I hope that additions like Iowa and Road America could be included somehow, as well as the return of a track like The Rock (won't happen, I know).
3.) I like the idea of making drivers choose which championship they want to chase. I wonder though, if someone like Edwards runs the full season, won't that make it confusing? I really think more needs to be done for the Nationwide series. It would be great to allow that series to be a development series for owners as well - rather than a proving ground for Gibbs, Roush, Childress, etal. I am reminded of Clint Bowyer's statement in reference to a Gibb's car: 'A monkey could drive that car and win.'

There's more, but I have written enough.
You could never write enough, I like hearing others thoughts on Nascar and the changes...I am of fan of some and others, I just shake my head and roll my eyes. There were other changes to, but this one has been disputed the most, that's why I asked....
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#7 | 867 days ago

ironhead_mike wrote:
I think the jury is out on whether it will be easier or not. I give them credit though - they had to do something to change up the way that drivers compete for the championship.

I think I like the Wild Card entries in the Chase idea. There should be good reason why someone who was outside the top ten in points is allowed to compete in the championship races - and winners are as good a reason as any.

I suppose the new system evens the field for now. Humans typically always take the path of least resistance. It's only a matter of time before teams & drivers find a way to use the system to gain max benefit with minimal effort. Then we'll see more changes.

I think there have to be more changes coming in order for this sport to keep evolving.
1.) I don't think all the races need to be as long as they are. I'm not in favor of indiscriminately slashing lengths off either though.
2.) They probably already have a grand scheme in mind, but there are some tracks that should, and will lose dates. I hope that additions like Iowa and Road America could be included somehow, as well as the return of a track like The Rock (won't happen, I know).
3.) I like the idea of making drivers choose which championship they want to chase. I wonder though, if someone like Edwards runs the full season, won't that make it confusing? I really think more needs to be done for the Nationwide series. It would be great to allow that series to be a development series for owners as well - rather than a proving ground for Gibbs, Roush, Childress, etal. I am reminded of Clint Bowyer's statement in reference to a Gibb's car: 'A monkey could drive that car and win.'

There's more, but I have written enough.
You got respect for everything ABOVE the "I have written enough" comment.  I'm with Jen, I really miss the old days of the Q when there were copious discussions about all of our opinions on "stuff"

Okay, so here's MY take.  We've been clammoring for wins to count for MORE, and now the spread between first and second place is less.  I've been screaming (and I'm not the only one) for extra points for a win to be awarded immediately after the race, hopefully leading to more RACING!!!  I'm sick of them playing the "points game" and it appears (from what I've read and heard - be nice to me, I've worked 20 days out of the last 22 and haven't had a chance to read everything yet) that the points game will be even more the way they will race.

I am a HUGE fan of them declaring only one series to race for a championship.  It may make the N'wide series more exciting to have the Cup drivers in the series, but honestly, what pride is there for the full time drivers if they really don't have a chance to compete for the championship in N'wide - if they could compete with the Cup drivers, they would be racing Cup, right?

Some of the races could be shortened and it wouldn't bother me a bit (California quickly comes to mind, but they already shortened that to 400 miles - do I hear 300?)

I'd LOVE to see some of the more unique tracks in the Chase - and yes, a road course as well - but I really am sick of the cookie cutter tracks - yes, I know the banking makes them race differently, but too many of them seem all too much the same. 

okay, I'll have more when I get all caught up, and if I'm wrong on anything, please let me know!
1. No  2. What a crock?  3. No  4. Yes  
#8 | 866 days ago

JrCanuckFan wrote:
You got respect for everything ABOVE the "I have written enough" comment.  I'm with Jen, I really miss the old days of the Q when there were copious discussions about all of our opinions on "stuff"

Okay, so here's MY take.  We've been clammoring for wins to count for MORE, and now the spread between first and second place is less.  I've been screaming (and I'm not the only one) for extra points for a win to be awarded immediately after the race, hopefully leading to more RACING!!!  I'm sick of them playing the "points game" and it appears (from what I've read and heard - be nice to me, I've worked 20 days out of the last 22 and haven't had a chance to read everything yet) that the points game will be even more the way they will race.

I am a HUGE fan of them declaring only one series to race for a championship.  It may make the N'wide series more exciting to have the Cup drivers in the series, but honestly, what pride is there for the full time drivers if they really don't have a chance to compete for the championship in N'wide - if they could compete with the Cup drivers, they would be racing Cup, right?

Some of the races could be shortened and it wouldn't bother me a bit (California quickly comes to mind, but they already shortened that to 400 miles - do I hear 300?)

I'd LOVE to see some of the more unique tracks in the Chase - and yes, a road course as well - but I really am sick of the cookie cutter tracks - yes, I know the banking makes them race differently, but too many of them seem all too much the same. 

okay, I'll have more when I get all caught up, and if I'm wrong on anything, please let me know!
I'll be back later
1. Other  2. Seems Fair  3. Other  4. Yes  
#9 | 866 days ago

JrCanuckFan wrote:
You got respect for everything ABOVE the "I have written enough" comment.  I'm with Jen, I really miss the old days of the Q when there were copious discussions about all of our opinions on "stuff"

Okay, so here's MY take.  We've been clammoring for wins to count for MORE, and now the spread between first and second place is less.  I've been screaming (and I'm not the only one) for extra points for a win to be awarded immediately after the race, hopefully leading to more RACING!!!  I'm sick of them playing the "points game" and it appears (from what I've read and heard - be nice to me, I've worked 20 days out of the last 22 and haven't had a chance to read everything yet) that the points game will be even more the way they will race.

I am a HUGE fan of them declaring only one series to race for a championship.  It may make the N'wide series more exciting to have the Cup drivers in the series, but honestly, what pride is there for the full time drivers if they really don't have a chance to compete for the championship in N'wide - if they could compete with the Cup drivers, they would be racing Cup, right?

Some of the races could be shortened and it wouldn't bother me a bit (California quickly comes to mind, but they already shortened that to 400 miles - do I hear 300?)

I'd LOVE to see some of the more unique tracks in the Chase - and yes, a road course as well - but I really am sick of the cookie cutter tracks - yes, I know the banking makes them race differently, but too many of them seem all too much the same. 

okay, I'll have more when I get all caught up, and if I'm wrong on anything, please let me know!
Yes, the motivation to points race will be even greater now because the difference between wins and the top positions didn't change (if anything, it's a little more bunched up percentage wise), and the penalty for a DNF/30s-40s finish is much bigger now.

In worse news, Phoenix is expected to reconfigure the track this year, and get rid of the dog-leg, which is only the thing that gave the track its uniqueness. *sigh*
#10 | 865 days ago

And I, too, would LOVE to see the return of "The Rock", but more likely, we'll see the closing of more unique tracks, and the building of more cookie cutter 1.5-2 mile tracks.

I do think I will like the new qualifying procedure, and the way the teams will line up in the event qualifying is rained out.  I've always hated seeing a driver come to a track for a "one race" deal, practice well and have one of the top speeds/times, only to have to go home when qualifying is rained out.  I believe in competition determining position, not favoritism.

Again, I'll be back, still catching up...............
1. No  2. What a crock?  3. No  4. Yes  
#11 | 863 days ago

They did change the way they qualify, when it rains, and some other things...go to Nascar.com, i'm to lazy to type it all....
OH! Did I say WB, yet......
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#12 | 863 days ago

I like that they had the guts to do something with the points system, but I wonder if it will make the drivers points race even more. If points racing is the game then they start engraving JJ on the 2011 trophy because no one is better than the 48 team at that.

Personally, I would like to see more points for the top 3-5 finishers - something like 1st= 75; 2nd = 65; 3rd = 55; 4th = 50; 5th = 45. Then make a different graduation of points from 6-10 and one point increments thereafter. Get rid of the bonus points for a single lap led - that's a joke. Keep the bonus for most laps led because there should be reward for dominating.

The qualifying rules are better, but I would rather see it taken further. I think that if you keep the top 35 rule then those who have to qualify on time should have to qualify regardless of whether those in the top 35 qualify or not - and they should run them first so that if qualifying gets rained out, at least those cars have recorded times. We're only talking about 8-15 cars at most which can't take that long. If they have to make them qualify on Sunday morning.

I HATE that someone is thinking of messing with the PHX layout. We don't need anymore "cookie-cutter" aero-dependent tracks. I know, I know, aero is important even on the small tracks. The  best races all year are at places like Richmond, Bristol, Phoenix, Martinsville - NOT California, Kansas, etc.

Regarding the "lower" series... I guess I long for the days when a veteran like Mark Martin would show up for maybe 10-15 races a year and race to win, but not race to harm those who were running for a championship. I like having 4-8 veterans in the field to give the inexperienced drivers a barometer to measure themselves against. It's boring watching Kyle, Brad, & Carl dominate the field.
1. Other  2. Seems Fair  3. Other  4. Yes  
#13 | 863 days ago

ironhead_mike wrote:
I like that they had the guts to do something with the points system, but I wonder if it will make the drivers points race even more. If points racing is the game then they start engraving JJ on the 2011 trophy because no one is better than the 48 team at that.

Personally, I would like to see more points for the top 3-5 finishers - something like 1st= 75; 2nd = 65; 3rd = 55; 4th = 50; 5th = 45. Then make a different graduation of points from 6-10 and one point increments thereafter. Get rid of the bonus points for a single lap led - that's a joke. Keep the bonus for most laps led because there should be reward for dominating.

The qualifying rules are better, but I would rather see it taken further. I think that if you keep the top 35 rule then those who have to qualify on time should have to qualify regardless of whether those in the top 35 qualify or not - and they should run them first so that if qualifying gets rained out, at least those cars have recorded times. We're only talking about 8-15 cars at most which can't take that long. If they have to make them qualify on Sunday morning.

I HATE that someone is thinking of messing with the PHX layout. We don't need anymore "cookie-cutter" aero-dependent tracks. I know, I know, aero is important even on the small tracks. The  best races all year are at places like Richmond, Bristol, Phoenix, Martinsville - NOT California, Kansas, etc.

Regarding the "lower" series... I guess I long for the days when a veteran like Mark Martin would show up for maybe 10-15 races a year and race to win, but not race to harm those who were running for a championship. I like having 4-8 veterans in the field to give the inexperienced drivers a barometer to measure themselves against. It's boring watching Kyle, Brad, & Carl dominate the field.
I totally agree with you.
#14 | 862 days ago

ironhead_mike wrote:
I like that they had the guts to do something with the points system, but I wonder if it will make the drivers points race even more. If points racing is the game then they start engraving JJ on the 2011 trophy because no one is better than the 48 team at that.

Personally, I would like to see more points for the top 3-5 finishers - something like 1st= 75; 2nd = 65; 3rd = 55; 4th = 50; 5th = 45. Then make a different graduation of points from 6-10 and one point increments thereafter. Get rid of the bonus points for a single lap led - that's a joke. Keep the bonus for most laps led because there should be reward for dominating.

The qualifying rules are better, but I would rather see it taken further. I think that if you keep the top 35 rule then those who have to qualify on time should have to qualify regardless of whether those in the top 35 qualify or not - and they should run them first so that if qualifying gets rained out, at least those cars have recorded times. We're only talking about 8-15 cars at most which can't take that long. If they have to make them qualify on Sunday morning.

I HATE that someone is thinking of messing with the PHX layout. We don't need anymore "cookie-cutter" aero-dependent tracks. I know, I know, aero is important even on the small tracks. The  best races all year are at places like Richmond, Bristol, Phoenix, Martinsville - NOT California, Kansas, etc.

Regarding the "lower" series... I guess I long for the days when a veteran like Mark Martin would show up for maybe 10-15 races a year and race to win, but not race to harm those who were running for a championship. I like having 4-8 veterans in the field to give the inexperienced drivers a barometer to measure themselves against. It's boring watching Kyle, Brad, & Carl dominate the field.
The points system they are "going back to", is the original one. The idea is if you can be out in front at the end you deserve a point for every car you beat....the thinking is, if I read the article correctly, when they get to the chase, it will be a tighter gap, and make it more exciting. I'm disappointed they didn't do away with "the chase", but will wait and see how the year goes. I am not getting started on tracks.....
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#15 | 862 days ago

I like the fact that the points are going to be simplified BUT I think that there should be a bigger gap between first and second. I know there's bonus points for the winner, but I'd like to see a bigger gap, so lets say 50 for the winner, 45 for second, 43 for 3rd and then the current 1place 1 point system. Wins are what it is about and I feel they should be rewarded much more than just by a single point.

I know NASCAR can't do much about it with the current rules but I really don't like the buying points bit...I know its been happening for years but why should Steven Wallace have a guaranteed spot because his dad has friends in high places? I think Paul Menard's 27 team has bought a spot (surprise?). I'm not suggesting any kind of alternative, I just think its wrong that points can be bought rather than earned if another team folds.
1. Yes  2. other?  3. Yes  4. No  
#16 | 862 days ago

bwfc2good4u wrote:
I like the fact that the points are going to be simplified BUT I think that there should be a bigger gap between first and second. I know there's bonus points for the winner, but I'd like to see a bigger gap, so lets say 50 for the winner, 45 for second, 43 for 3rd and then the current 1place 1 point system. Wins are what it is about and I feel they should be rewarded much more than just by a single point.

I know NASCAR can't do much about it with the current rules but I really don't like the buying points bit...I know its been happening for years but why should Steven Wallace have a guaranteed spot because his dad has friends in high places? I think Paul Menard's 27 team has bought a spot (surprise?). I'm not suggesting any kind of alternative, I just think its wrong that points can be bought rather than earned if another team folds.
Great point... I have always hated the "buying points" foolishness to get you in the field over the first five races. 
1. Other  2. Seems Fair  3. Other  4. Yes  
#17 | 857 days ago

I'm reserving judgment until i see a few races.  At my age i hate change of any kind.  lol
1. Other  2. other?  3. Other  4. Other  
#18 | 841 days ago

Beats the ka-ka out of me               I know -- you'd like to do that too
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#19 | 841 days ago

Well, after two races, I'm not sure I'm a fan of this "new" points system.  Jamie McMurray is 44 points back of first place which is a terrible hole to be in.  With 43 points awarded to the winner of each race (plus bonus points) it seems almost insurmountable.  It's not that I am a huge Jamie fan, it just seems kind of ugly.  Yes, they are awarding for wins this way, but they were the old way as well, and I just don't see the benefits of this particular points system.

Like cuddles, I'll see after a few more races, but this is gut feeling at this point in the season.
1. No  2. What a crock?  3. No  4. Yes  
#20 | 841 days ago

JrCanuckFan wrote:
Well, after two races, I'm not sure I'm a fan of this "new" points system.  Jamie McMurray is 44 points back of first place which is a terrible hole to be in.  With 43 points awarded to the winner of each race (plus bonus points) it seems almost insurmountable.  It's not that I am a huge Jamie fan, it just seems kind of ugly.  Yes, they are awarding for wins this way, but they were the old way as well, and I just don't see the benefits of this particular points system.

Like cuddles, I'll see after a few more races, but this is gut feeling at this point in the season.
After this past weekend I am getting the feeling that we are about to see more wrecked cars driving around that have no business being on the track because the points are so valuable. Maybe it will all pan out in the end when these guys figure out how manipulate this points system to their benefit, but for now I sit and wonder.
1. Other  2. Seems Fair  3. Other  4. Yes  
#21 | 841 days ago

ironhead_mike wrote:
After this past weekend I am getting the feeling that we are about to see more wrecked cars driving around that have no business being on the track because the points are so valuable. Maybe it will all pan out in the end when these guys figure out how manipulate this points system to their benefit, but for now I sit and wonder.
Yeah, the way they are set out, it is more important than ever to get as many points as possible, as you say.   Unfortunately, those wrecked cars are bound to cause accidents, just by virtue of being on the track.   The first time one of those wrecked cars causes one of the top ten in points to have an accident that takes them out of the running we are going to hear about it for weeks.  I just don't think NASCAR has thought this through properly.
1. No  2. What a crock?  3. No  4. Yes  
#22 | 841 days ago

JrCanuckFan wrote:
Well, after two races, I'm not sure I'm a fan of this "new" points system.  Jamie McMurray is 44 points back of first place which is a terrible hole to be in.  With 43 points awarded to the winner of each race (plus bonus points) it seems almost insurmountable.  It's not that I am a huge Jamie fan, it just seems kind of ugly.  Yes, they are awarding for wins this way, but they were the old way as well, and I just don't see the benefits of this particular points system.

Like cuddles, I'll see after a few more races, but this is gut feeling at this point in the season.
I understand you and Mike's bewilderment...as usual Mr Helton has taken something so simple and screwed it up...(again)....I sit here and wonder how Trevor could of won the 500 and yet, he wasn't awarded the "43 points", it lists a big fat 0......could it be, because he annouced, he was running for the Nationwide Championship?, so the points are awarded differently, who knows. I'm also keeping a close eye here, it seems really stupid, that something so simple has become so hard....
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#23 | 841 days ago
ssusiej46 (+)

SickPuppy wrote:
Beats the ka-ka out of me               I know -- you'd like to do that too
lmao someone should  J/K
#24 | 841 days ago

JenX63 wrote:
I understand you and Mike's bewilderment...as usual Mr Helton has taken something so simple and screwed it up...(again)....I sit here and wonder how Trevor could of won the 500 and yet, he wasn't awarded the "43 points", it lists a big fat 0......could it be, because he annouced, he was running for the Nationwide Championship?, so the points are awarded differently, who knows. I'm also keeping a close eye here, it seems really stupid, that something so simple has become so hard....
Yeah Jen, that's exactly it.  He declared his intention to run in the Nationwide Series for THAT championship, and therefore cannot collect points in the Cup Series.  Moronic.  I can understand it the other way, that Cup drivers cannot collect points in the N'wide Series, but the other way around seems so harmless.  I mean, Trevor isn't competing in every race, so he wouldn't have the lead for long, and bragging rights would be cool.
1. No  2. What a crock?  3. No  4. Yes  
#25 | 841 days ago

JrCanuckFan wrote:
Yeah Jen, that's exactly it.  He declared his intention to run in the Nationwide Series for THAT championship, and therefore cannot collect points in the Cup Series.  Moronic.  I can understand it the other way, that Cup drivers cannot collect points in the N'wide Series, but the other way around seems so harmless.  I mean, Trevor isn't competing in every race, so he wouldn't have the lead for long, and bragging rights would be cool.
Well Trevor does have bragging rights, they can't take that away from him...remember there are "regular" cup drivers who have never won...........with the way things are going, this point system probably wont stay for long, i think it was a "soother", for folks who thought the championship was seighted towards JJ......which it wasn't....my other worry is, like Mike, the wrecks...Phoenix is usually a pretty calm race and folks might just start buying tickets at tracks that have fallen on hard times "if" a "big one", might happen...I don't mind the bumping and scraping, but all out wrecks are just dangerous....
1. Other  2. What a crock?  3. Other  4. Other  
#26 | 841 days ago

JenX63 wrote:
Well Trevor does have bragging rights, they can't take that away from him...remember there are "regular" cup drivers who have never won...........with the way things are going, this point system probably wont stay for long, i think it was a "soother", for folks who thought the championship was seighted towards JJ......which it wasn't....my other worry is, like Mike, the wrecks...Phoenix is usually a pretty calm race and folks might just start buying tickets at tracks that have fallen on hard times "if" a "big one", might happen...I don't mind the bumping and scraping, but all out wrecks are just dangerous....
Oh, I know he has the bragging rights for winning the Daytona 500, I meant bragging rights for have the Points lead. But it doesn't much matter, the change has been made :(
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#27 | 840 days ago

JrCanuckFan wrote:
Oh, I know he has the bragging rights for winning the Daytona 500, I meant bragging rights for have the Points lead. But it doesn't much matter, the change has been made :(
I see where you're coming from....for me the points lead lost it's thrill last year......=(.........ohhh and I keep forgetting...He!! Yeah to Jeff Gordon for breaking that 66 race winless streak.......=)
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#28 | 840 days ago

yep, points system sucks, but Jeff deserved the win!!  He needed it for self esteem if anything
#29 | 839 days ago

ironhead_mike wrote:
After this past weekend I am getting the feeling that we are about to see more wrecked cars driving around that have no business being on the track because the points are so valuable. Maybe it will all pan out in the end when these guys figure out how manipulate this points system to their benefit, but for now I sit and wonder.
Your right, there are going to be more wrecks with cars that barely qualifed causing them. Doesn't make sense, especially with new points system. Already 2 races and good drivers taken out in both.  It's a shame.
#30 | 838 days ago

those tracks were picked long before JJ started winning championships.....i think he and Chad just learned how to work the system better than any other team, and the man can drive, have to give him his props.....=)
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