Michele Bachmann is now surging in New Hampshire, which should be an easy win for Romney.  If she takes Iowa and NH, its her. Romney would get destroyed by the media.

 Hi Mike. 



It's amazing how anyone could even take her seriously. 

 I kid with everyone around me that I can't wait till election time just to see her in action..........................but in reality------------she full out SCARES the SH*T out of me because I actually think she's smarter than Sarah Palin. Sure her lack of knowledge in history is hilarious but so is most of the country's (sadly). I mean.............it's obvious that many could care less about history considering------ we keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, we continue to promote higher test scores over critical thinking skills, blame teachers, ect....

The lady should be taken seriously. She's not an idiot. She knows what she's doing and clearly has a strong following. Look at her education------------it's impressive (if you take out the holy roller stuff .......which turns me off).

One thing is for sure, Senator Obama was being painted as an extremist during his presidential run.  If Rep. Bachman or someone with her mentality achieves the Republican nomination (e.g. Texas Gov. Rick Perry) this nation is going to explode.....

Well, perhaps not explode, but it will definitely demonstrate the fractured essence that seems to be ever-growing with each passing day.

 The lady just scares me period. She is so outwardly  anti gay, and has said stuff that is down right close to being racist. And the fact is she does have a lot of followers. But no I disagree with her being smarter than Palin. I have yet to hear anything that I could even say, well that makes a little sense with her. I have never been so put off by someone.  I do not believe she could pass the constitution test.   I know a lot of Americans couldn't, but they are not running for the Presidency. 

I get what your typing here, but you have to remember she (and her people) aren't hoping to get "us" on their side...................they are working their "magic" on those people who are just as craz....I mean passionate as they are about certain things..........or people who just need someone to give them someone to blame.

Number 5 is my favorite...


http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-10-craziest-michele-bachmann-quotes

I get what your typing here, but you have to remember she (and her people) aren't hoping to get "us" on their side...................they are working their "magic" on those people who are just as craz....I mean passionate as they are about certain things..........or people who just need someone to give them someone to blame.

 To me there is no scarier extreme in a politician than a religious one. The God says gays are going to hell, the pro choice believers are going to hell, the we need a return to the simpler days politician, you know the ones that believed segregation was a good thing, and that everyone is equal, unless they want to have an opinion that differs from ours.  

I can definitely agree with that in a general sense as religion has historically, and even in our current international community, been a unifying element to some of the most extreme and violent conflicts.  In that regard, I just remind myself of those I know who are of faith who put that kind of energy into following the tenants of their faith in their own lives versus into the element of adversity for others.  When people see extremists, it's easy to turn against an entire group.  (I know you realize this, but I wanted to expand upon the topic for those who may be new to the Q and don't get the wrong idea).

One time, in Philadelphia, there was a racially motivated stand off between a group of skin-heads and members of a neighborhood community.  Though I was standing against those racist pieces of shite, after the stand-off disipated, one of the minorities in the group with whom I was standing turned on me with: "You phuquing white people...etc., etc., etc...."  It took another individual to come over and get the guy to calm down as (speaking metaphorically) he was seeing red, but when those passions are generated, such passions are motivated into a self-destructive manifestation of anger and resentment.  Later the individual in question came over an apologized over and again for turning on me, but whether it's race, religion, and in some case politics (which up until now has only been present to that degree in other countries), is also the sociological effect of such divisions.

My personal view is that this country is soon going to experience the repercussions of failing to live up to the responsibilities lain upon us by our founders, and the shallow means upon which society has developed.

I'll stop talking now, and give this soap-box to my son so he can take it outside and smash it with a hammer.......

Amen, and it amazes me that in this day and age, so many Americans are still so outwardly bigoted. 

She is the darling of the Tea Party, but didn't I read something about her accepting annual farm subsidies? Doesn't her husband also recieve some kind of government subsidy for his clinic?

Here's the article I read:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Antisocialist_Bachmann_got_250k_in_federal_farm_subsidies.html

This one explains more thorougly, and adds info about her husband's clinic.
 http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Antisocialist_Bachmann_got_250k_in_federal_farm_subsidies.html

Unfortunately, it's growing and getting more open. 

This is a hypothesis that can be tested and either validated or not during this next election (depending upon the nature of the nominee)
as I saw on the news earlier that former Klansman David Duke just submitted his paperwork to make his 3rd run at the Presidency.  It will be interesting to compare the number of votes he gets considering his last run was in '92.

Unfortunately, the ".....Declaration of Independence, so passë" is so true as such principles are utilized as a manner of convenience anymore.....

On my facebook account, I typed the following on July 4th:

"As we celebrate the 4th of July, with the modern version of "bombs bursting in air", take a moment tomorrow to actually read the Declaration of Independence, which initiated the tradition of which we are now celebrating. As you're reading, think of the associative nature of what our founder's were rebelling against and see if you can recognize any associations with the adversities we experience in today's society."

I got "one" like.  Apathy and denial has as much to do with such principles being rationalized as anything else.  If people would only take time to read, understand, --and BELIEVE that such could again be a reality.

 Lmao, I think 9 may have been mine.   

 The lady just scares me period. She is so outwardly  anti gay, and has said stuff that is down right close to being racist. And the fact is she does have a lot of followers. But no I disagree with her being smarter than Palin. I have yet to hear anything that I could even say, well that makes a little sense with her. I have never been so put off by someone.  I do not believe she could pass the constitution test.   I know a lot of Americans couldn't, but they are not running for the Presidency. 

Wow ,  all i really noticed was in this one poll we have  -  Passe' ,  J's Super Super Gay , and Politicians at Play. 


Graphic

Meh.  I've seen gayer.

Yeah, I think she's very Stepford Wife (like she's got wires under her skin and she's programmed ... poorly ... to say certain things at certain times, even when they have no bearing on the topic at-hand).  

And I think it's hysterical that she's SO anti-gay when her husband is such a raging homosexual.  Like "sitting pool-side in South Beach wearing bronzer and coolots, sipping a Malibu Bay Breeze and smoking a Virginia Slim out of a long cigarette holder" kinda gay.

 Kinda? I'm thinking Rock Hudson right now.    

Number 5 is my favorite...


http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-10-craziest-michele-bachmann-quotes

 I kid with everyone around me that I can't wait till election time just to see her in action..........................but in reality------------she full out SCARES the SH*T out of me because I actually think she's smarter than Sarah Palin. Sure her lack of knowledge in history is hilarious but so is most of the country's (sadly). I mean.............it's obvious that many could care less about history considering------ we keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, we continue to promote higher test scores over critical thinking skills, blame teachers, ect....

The lady should be taken seriously. She's not an idiot. She knows what she's doing and clearly has a strong following. Look at her education------------it's impressive (if you take out the holy roller stuff .......which turns me off).

I was awake at 4 a.m.. (roof starting leaking again) and as I was going over this poll again, I asked myself
how much of American history i was able to retain.  It has been a few years since I took civics, government and
American history (cough, cough).  I found a link that perhaps, we all should check out. 
www.stevenspointjournal.com/article/20110707/SPJ06/107070428/Our-view-US-citizenship-Can-you-pass-test-

I FAILED!!!          I am going to study, and retake it in a few days.          

 Hey, who's the p'qer?   

Some frustrated Rethuglican............      Wear ' em like a badge of honor!!!

WORD!

 ewwww, those aren't real.  

Well, they aint imaginary either!

nope.  

Maybe I have seen one too many episodes of Toddlers and Tiarras.  That chick-------ewww...........

 Oh God, now that's another poll.   

A polll about real vs. fake???

I love it!

 Hey, who's the p'qer?   

Oh it's one of the fox robots--the one that if you put a lump of coal between their butt-cheeks, you'd have a flawless diamond a week later.

Oh it's one of the fox robots--the one that if you put a lump of coal between their butt-cheeks, you'd have a flawless diamond a week later.

The coal being corked up there could also help explain why they're all so full of sh*t.

A polll about real vs. fake???

I love it!

I've been waiting for this to pop-up again....

Just read in the local paper that the clean-up effort of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation will be laying-off over 1,700 workers during this fiscal year.  As this is just one example, it makes me wonder just how many other worth-while programs will be affected in lieu of corporate tax breaks for private jets and oil subsidies.

During the 2010 elections, the Republicans ran their campaigns on the promise of job creation.  When they were elected, they promised to remember the "will of the people" as a reason for the populous backlash against the Republican party back in 1995; now they talk about being leaders and having to do the "right thing" despite the will of the people and have turned their promise of hope for progress into their own twisted ideology of social fascism and corporate dominance.

People can argue all they want, but facts don't lie.

"Facts don't lie" made me think of this:

My friends, I'm losing hope by the day (although living in the Beltway can't help). Today's jobs report was awful, and all the rhetoric here is concentrated on policy that won't help the situation a bit. The debt ceiling deal, if it actually happens, looks worse and worse. If this is any indication, I'm about to get screwed as a fed employee (and for the record, I've never dealt with a union or paid union dues in the 3 years I've been in the government). The concept of "shared sacrifice" looks completely out the window. A President Romney, Bachmann, or even Perry looks more and more likely by the day. Those that are on the record as saying their main goal is for Obama to be a one termer are winning, and Obama is aiding and abetting them.

Anyone have any good news to take me off the ledge?

My friends, I'm losing hope by the day (although living in the Beltway can't help). Today's jobs report was awful, and all the rhetoric here is concentrated on policy that won't help the situation a bit. The debt ceiling deal, if it actually happens, looks worse and worse. If this is any indication, I'm about to get screwed as a fed employee (and for the record, I've never dealt with a union or paid union dues in the 3 years I've been in the government). The concept of "shared sacrifice" looks completely out the window. A President Romney, Bachmann, or even Perry looks more and more likely by the day. Those that are on the record as saying their main goal is for Obama to be a one termer are winning, and Obama is aiding and abetting them.

Anyone have any good news to take me off the ledge?

My friends, I'm losing hope by the day (although living in the Beltway can't help). Today's jobs report was awful, and all the rhetoric here is concentrated on policy that won't help the situation a bit. The debt ceiling deal, if it actually happens, looks worse and worse. If this is any indication, I'm about to get screwed as a fed employee (and for the record, I've never dealt with a union or paid union dues in the 3 years I've been in the government). The concept of "shared sacrifice" looks completely out the window. A President Romney, Bachmann, or even Perry looks more and more likely by the day. Those that are on the record as saying their main goal is for Obama to be a one termer are winning, and Obama is aiding and abetting them.

Anyone have any good news to take me off the ledge?

 There is no way in hell this country will ever elect Bachmann,  I do not believe that this country and her people are just that ignorant. 
  I am or was an Obama supporter, I am not sure if the democratic party offers us another choice that I will not take it.  

  I do believe however, that I do not ever remember a President, that was met with more opposition with every decision that he made.  The powers that be made sure that he was fighting an upward battle. 

  As far as your ledge, dude I am right there with you on one. I am a 47 year old waitress, with no insurance. And I will never lose my paid for home to a long disease.  I really am at the point of not believing in anything as far as this government goes. Do I believe the government owes me anything? No I do not. But I do know that, I have worked since the age of 16, pay my taxes and bills. And I do believe that health care needs to be affordable to all. 

         <<<---------  Thanks for the PQ!!!    Moving on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




We had dinner at my brother in laws last night.  His wife is a first grade teacher, he is a county fire-fighter paramedic.
As of July 01, they both had to start contributing to their pensions under the new law under Gov. Valdimor/Rick Scott and
the new R regime.   Their income is now cut by $500.00 a momth.              Another example of default.

 There is no way in hell this country will ever elect Bachmann,  I do not believe that this country and her people are just that ignorant. 
  I am or was an Obama supporter, I am not sure if the democratic party offers us another choice that I will not take it.  

  I do believe however, that I do not ever remember a President, that was met with more opposition with every decision that he made.  The powers that be made sure that he was fighting an upward battle. 

  As far as your ledge, dude I am right there with you on one. I am a 47 year old waitress, with no insurance. And I will never lose my paid for home to a long disease.  I really am at the point of not believing in anything as far as this government goes. Do I believe the government owes me anything? No I do not. But I do know that, I have worked since the age of 16, pay my taxes and bills. And I do believe that health care needs to be affordable to all. 

         <<<---------  Thanks for the PQ!!!    Moving on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




We had dinner at my brother in laws last night.  His wife is a first grade teacher, he is a county fire-fighter paramedic.
As of July 01, they both had to start contributing to their pensions under the new law under Gov. Valdimor/Rick Scott and
the new R regime.   Their income is now cut by $500.00 a momth.              Another example of default.

Don't underestimate the....ridiculousness of the American people (and the electoral process) I remember when people assumed that Bush wouldn't get a second term based on the way he got in the first time and the fact that he was horrible for the most part, and you see how that worked out...

I knew Bush would get a second term, not once in this countries history, has a President been voted out of office during a war. His second term was a given. The fact still remains that the man was selected not elected to run this country.  But , let's not get on W cause my blood pressure can not do that right now.

As far as Bachmann goes, I see her as the republicans move to pull the tea part y closer in to them. They will certainly use her, but she will be discarded.  She is great for the tea party, but the tea party, as of right now, does not stand a chance at a real Presidential chance.  But, before you guys yell at me lol. I do know that this is the scariest party to ever form and come close to making it a three party election. I see it  in 4 to 8 more years, if it still stays together. But not this election,.

I agree, except I don't think the Teabaggers () will be viable in a presidential election in 4 or 8 years, either.  They're FAR too radical in their social conservatism to have wide-spread, nationwide appeal.  They'll have an almost impossible time swaying independents in an election.

Generally, I definitely agree Janet.  Unfortunately, I have a "however"....LOL!

The trend in the modern political environment is already polarized.  What the tea party has done is to more distinctly define that breach, and either drawn people in with the various forms of the issues 'protected' by the right (I have a friend that all he cares about is his freedom under the 2nd Amendment--and he's become a huge Tea Party supporter)  or created an aversion to such a degree that others have been pushed to the left.  Thus, the essence of polarization has become even greater.

Granted, those that have either been drawn in, or pushed into one party loyalty or the other is stupid IMNSHO as independents have always been a moderating force in the voting spectrum.  Without such moderation, this is just another element in the fracture of American society.  I really hate to say it, as I truly believe in the virtues of the American constitution (which have been manipulated and used for political desire--by BOTH parties), and have done so to the point that I have infused the perspective that such should be built upon when considering the road to an independent Cascadian nation.  But with every passing event, the division in this nation only seems greater, and without any desire to reconcile.

I see what you're saying, but my argument would be that your friend isn't really an "independent" voter, then.  Independents tend to have views that hover somewhere between the right and left, conceding a bit on both sides of the aisle (or they might hold steadfast to some right values - a la the right to bear arms with no real restrictions - but also hold on to some left principles just as vehemently, in essence, balancing out somewhere in the middle).  

I think that for every person out there like your friend, who can be easily swayed based on one issue, there is someone on the opposite end of the spectrum who will sway the other way based on a single issue, as well (I know that Tea Party candidates' strong opposition to a woman's right to choose, and their FAR right stance on gay rights will prevent them from getting votes from ANY of the moderates/independents that I personally know).

I agree, except I don't think the Teabaggers () will be viable in a presidential election in 4 or 8 years, either.  They're FAR too radical in their social conservatism to have wide-spread, nationwide appeal.  They'll have an almost impossible time swaying independents in an election.

I agree, except I don't think the Teabaggers () will be viable in a presidential election in 4 or 8 years, either.  They're FAR too radical in their social conservatism to have wide-spread, nationwide appeal.  They'll have an almost impossible time swaying independents in an election.

 Its a shame we didn't realize this depression was our opportunity to upgrade our infrastructure in terms of travel and energy.  This was the perfect time to make ourselves a 21st century power instead of still reveling in the 20th century power we're stuck as.  As such our economy hasn't improved and we're still stuck in the past.

Mike, how are things on the ground in Wisconsin? The primary elections for the recalls are today. Of course, they're primary elections because the Republicans nominated fake Democrats to run against the real Dems, solely to give them one more month to campaign. The brazenness of that is just mind-boggling.

 And let's not forget, to buy another month of complete government control.  Redistricting is coming up and the Republicans plan on changing state law so they can get their map done in time.

I wasn't able to help GOTV today, but here in LaCrosse where we will be ousting Dan Kapanke, the Dem movement is as unified as ever.

Here's a good site to keep track of the primaries for those interested.

I'm reviving this thread to note that the wretched debt ceiling "compromise" has passed the House 269-161. Exactly half the Democrats who voted voted for this, 95-95. Here's the vote. This was so depressing it ruined what should've been an amazing feel good moment, the return of Gabby Giffords to the floor of the House. Giffords voted aye, so did Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chair. Even Nancy Pelosi voted for this, even though I'm hoping that's just for the political optics of the #1 Democrat in the House needing to support the president.

About the only plus I can think of is as a federal employee, my salary is exempt from the "trigger." If that sounds selfish, well, that's the new way in Tea Party America. I got mine. F-you.

In happier news, Chris Hayes got a show on MSNBC on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Unfortunately, that means he's no longer available to replace Ed Schultz. Paging Ezra Klein...

I'm reviving this thread to note that the wretched debt ceiling "compromise" has passed the House 269-161. Exactly half the Democrats who voted voted for this, 95-95. Here's the vote. This was so depressing it ruined what should've been an amazing feel good moment, the return of Gabby Giffords to the floor of the House. Giffords voted aye, so did Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chair. Even Nancy Pelosi voted for this, even though I'm hoping that's just for the political optics of the #1 Democrat in the House needing to support the president.

About the only plus I can think of is as a federal employee, my salary is exempt from the "trigger." If that sounds selfish, well, that's the new way in Tea Party America. I got mine. F-you.

In happier news, Chris Hayes got a show on MSNBC on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Unfortunately, that means he's no longer available to replace Ed Schultz. Paging Ezra Klein...

 I really do not understand this whole debt ceiling thing. So if you can very easily in laymans term explain it a little I would appreciate it. Cause all I know is no one seems to be happy except the tea party and that is no bueno. 

Khan Academy is our go-to tutor for all things.   I can't afford private tutoring for the kids
so we rely on their website a lot. 

I'm reviving this thread to note that the wretched debt ceiling "compromise" has passed the House 269-161. Exactly half the Democrats who voted voted for this, 95-95. Here's the vote. This was so depressing it ruined what should've been an amazing feel good moment, the return of Gabby Giffords to the floor of the House. Giffords voted aye, so did Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chair. Even Nancy Pelosi voted for this, even though I'm hoping that's just for the political optics of the #1 Democrat in the House needing to support the president.

About the only plus I can think of is as a federal employee, my salary is exempt from the "trigger." If that sounds selfish, well, that's the new way in Tea Party America. I got mine. F-you.

In happier news, Chris Hayes got a show on MSNBC on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Unfortunately, that means he's no longer available to replace Ed Schultz. Paging Ezra Klein...

I've been following the Wisconsin recall group on Facebook.  Yesterday, I passed on a very short affirmation of my support: 

"This is your time Wisconsin. Freedom-minded Americans stand with you."

Here's the best link I've seen with Wisconsin races. Two of the six have been called for the Republicans, albeit the two the GOP was must likely to hold. 4 to go, Dems need 3, and I'm really not sure how this is going to play out.

 JSOnline (biggest paper in Wisconsin) is good site too.

3 are R's already.  Dems are up in the other 3, but I don't know enough about the results that are in and about those districts to know if we're doing good enough.

Schilling was just declared winner. King-Hopper is basically a tie, but what's left to be counted looks good for King. Pasch-Darling is still too early to tell.

Had heard Waukesha County was slow with their results tonight.  Waukesha County, as in the county 7,000 Prosser votes magically appeared this Spring.  Not good news for Pasch unless those were the votes that just got added to results. 

The votes just added came from Washington County. If the AP count is correct, it's 15 precincts left from Milwaukee County and 10 for Waukesha. Nail-bitingly tight regardless.

 That's scary.  We could easily have two recounts tonight, which Wisconsin really doesn't need.  But, if they turn out okay, we'll be better off as a result in the end.

It's ironic how the Dem was leading by 2%, then the County Clerk said that there was going to be a delay in reporting, now the Rep is up by 6%.  This is the same county in question during the recent election of the Supreme Court Justice.

Being raised by-in-large by the influence of my Grandfather, and the ghost of what I thought my father would have expected, I grew up with an ideological mindset that people naturally try to do the right thing.  Ironic, how as I have grown and gained in life's experience, attained knowledge through study and research, and seen the manner upon which processes exist, I have gone from being very conservative to very liberal.

Oh, I almost forgot, the Dems have called for a federal investigation into the above "inconsistency".

Even so, I do not begrudge those with conservative beliefs; being one who supports constitutional freedoms as if it were my life's essence, I will always support such rights that are considered 'conservative' and advocate and seek to defend the rights when I see such rights in peril.

Did I grow up in a state of disillusionment, or has America truly fallen this far?

This session is now closed.

You know, I've been listening to Michelle Bachman's rhetoric the past few months and have come to the firm conclusion that all that aggression is merely pent up frustration for never having experienced a proper orgasm--the kind that if a man truly pays attention to the needs of the woman whereas at the point that upon completion, his partner can't move for 10 minutes because her body has been brought to such a state of sensitivity that the only release of that temporary state of paralyzation is a cascade of lesser orgasms which occur in succession to release the sensation.

You know, I've been listening to Michelle Bachman's rhetoric the past few months and have come to the firm conclusion that all that aggression is merely pent up frustration for never having experienced a proper orgasm--the kind that if a man truly pays attention to the needs of the woman whereas at the point that upon completion, his partner can't move for 10 minutes because her body has been brought to such a state of sensitivity that the only release of that temporary state of paralyzation is a cascade of lesser orgasms which occur in succession to release the sensation.

This is because:

A)  Her husband is a raging homosexual.
B)  There are always 79 kids running around her house (sponsored by the US taxpayers).
C)  Sex is only for procreation.  Jesus will swoop down on his Pterodactyl and smite her if she Os.

Geezus Norse, that even made me hot.

ROFL......thanks, that's a vision I didn't need.....

But they have the cure for " the gays"  Janet, so how could he be.  big ass eye roll right now.  You know she gives stupid a whole new meaning.

I heard that sh*t was cureable...

So, are we done for now? Will a new thread be created? Can I point how liberals have already lost the SuperCongress fight because Max Baucus is in it?

So, are we done for now? Will a new thread be created? Can I point how liberals have already lost the SuperCongress fight because Max Baucus is in it?

Extra Strength for those with a severe d*ck-tooth.

  @  "The Meat Substitute"