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outraged or forgiveness
okay fellow iqers I guess everyone is aware of the sex scandle Penn State I have had different thoughts and would like to get yours,as a father of two boys and two girls I am outraged that this went on and seemingly nothing was done about it for over a decade ,but as a college football fan with all that Joe Paterno has done for Penn State and college sports should some mercy be shown to him ,so what are your feelings on this matter or maybe you don't have any one way or the other
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34 Fans 
53%a. hang them all
3%b. just don't know
12%c. I believe this
0%d. who is Joe Paterno
32%e. other

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#5 | 988 days ago

As hard as it is for me to say it (because I have a LOT of Penn State alumni family/friends who all love Joe Paterno), they did the right thing by firing him.  While he did, supposedly, follow the technical protocol by informing the higher ranks at the university, he really should have held his moral obligation in higher regard and done more.  This isn't a matter that should have been taken lightly.
  
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#1 | 989 days ago

I haven't read the entire transcript, so I won't judge, but it certainly seems that a whole bunch of Penn Staters dropped the ball on this one.
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#2 | 989 days ago
BDV4U (+)

This goes back to 1998! The scum bag being accused was fired from Joe Pa's staff for unspecified reasons back then and he went from Joe's best buddy to some guy he knew. Four years later - AT THE PENN STATE CAMPUS - these incidences take place? His assistant, then 28, WITNESSES A RAPE OF ONE OF THE TEN YEAR OLDS and doesn't do anything! Correction - he calls his own dad, who tells him to leave the building - NOT HELP THE KID, JUST LEAVE!

How any of this can take NINE years and just minor ripples so far taking place is beyond me - is this the Catholic Church?!?
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#3 | 989 days ago

This is about as well as I could articulate my thoughts on the matter.
#4 | 989 days ago
18packabs (+)

Hang 'em High.......
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#5 | 988 days ago

As hard as it is for me to say it (because I have a LOT of Penn State alumni family/friends who all love Joe Paterno), they did the right thing by firing him.  While he did, supposedly, follow the technical protocol by informing the higher ranks at the university, he really should have held his moral obligation in higher regard and done more.  This isn't a matter that should have been taken lightly.
#6 | 988 days ago

 It's too bad the legend has to go out like this because of what that D-bag did. But I don't know if JoePa was doing what he felt was the right thing or just doing the minimum. If it's his job to go to authorities and he didn't, then the firing is legit.
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#7 | 988 days ago

(For those without Twitter)

SPORTSbyBROOKS - I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonight it could come before Saturday.

SPORTSbyBROOKS - If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.

MarkMaddenX (The guy who "called it" in April) - Don't believe this can get worse? Give it 72 hrs. People really digging into Second Mile. Even more shocking revelation is ahead. Yikes.

One of the rumors was pretty sickening, to say the least.
#8 | 988 days ago

This goes way beyond football and sports. What has happened on a football field in the past  decades is irrelevent at this point. The guilly must face justice. REAL justice. If this happened to one of my kids...I can't even imagine at this point. 
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#9 | 988 days ago
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As much of a fan of the game of college football as i am and respect what a man like Joe Paterno has done for the game this has nothing to do with football or a football legacy. Anyone who had any idea that this kind of thing was going on and did not do everything in their power to stop it has to be punished be that losing a job going to prison etc (and by etc i mean some in this case deserve much much worse). It is unclear as to what exactly various people in this case knew but as the facts stand now far too many people knew way to much for this to have been let go.

This case is so much bigger then a coach losing a job even if it is Joe Pa !
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#10 | 988 days ago

No comment ....may upset people if I don't know who u are talkin about -so comment.....thought sexual harrassment was part of the over qualified  position or is it positions!! Slap on the tushy....good poll ! Please don't take this as sexual harrassment - you had a bug on your bum.....yeah that's it!
#11 | 988 days ago

A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Jerry Sandusky is the one who was actually allegedly raping kids
#12 | 988 days ago

 This whole thing sickens me. 
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#13 | 988 days ago

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR GREAT NATION WHERE NO ONE IS SAFE!!!
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#14 | 988 days ago

a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE THING..........this guy should be locked up.....throw away the key and let him ROT IN HELL...........as for PATERNO.......SHAME ON HIM for not calling the police..........and 1 more thing..........at his age.....75 at the time.....he should have been in a rocking chair at home with his grand kids and watching football..........NOT COACHING IT........
#15 | 988 days ago

It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
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#16 | 988 days ago

cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
Agreed, Very well said Pat
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#17 | 988 days ago

the trustees did it right.   but  just how  F'ing mis-guided are those students who protested his firing? are you people serious? to the guy students... if it was your brother who was raped you know damn well you'd walk into the coaches offices and start kicking some a$$. 
to the females..... if it was your sister or another coed who was forcibly raped you would be protesting to have the university shut down and all involved to be in prison.  maybe these leaders of tomorrow should be bounced from school. you'll be given a new degree.  a D.A.  for  DUMB A$$.   clearly,  higher education has FAILED YOU.   i'm glad my dime  isn't being spent to send you there.
A$$HOLES!!!!
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#18 | 988 days ago
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The_Real_Stoney wrote:
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Jerry Sandusky is the one who was actually allegedly raping kids
You're absolutely correct. The outrage is that all of these people KNEW he was raping and fondling young boys and covered it up for at least a decade. The one assistant WATCHED a kid being molested and didn't stop it! He just called his own father, left, then called Paterno in the morning.

Had this been dealt with back in the 90s, only one or two young men would have to go through therapy, not the nine - and probably more - that are listed in the Grand Jury Report. Then to allow the man to waltz around the campus and have an office - knowing what they knew - is like telling Ted Bundy, "Hey, buddy, wanna date my sister, then head to a Sorority party tonight?"
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#19 | 988 days ago

I don't feel outrage or forgiveness for Paterno himself. I do feel outraged from the outrage of the students last night though (if that makes sense). They're mum about the original story, but riot because a guy got fired over the phone?

And agree with Stoney's point. I've heard JoePa, McQueary, and even Ray Gricar's name more than Sandusky's.
#20 | 988 days ago

Almost every university has a protocal on rape or violent crimes like assualt . Let campus police deal with it and keep local police and media out . Joe , did what did based on policy. Penn St. as a hole did what most universities do on rape ,nothing .
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#21 | 988 days ago

cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
That's funny, since Sandusky named his charity after a bible passage, and both he and Paterno have made the impression over the years as godly men.
#22 | 988 days ago

cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
This sort of thing hasn't just popped up overnight. This has been going on for years...............since our country became the United States and before. How do you think these people become the monsters they are-------it's a cycle. THIS has nothing to do with spirituality. 
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#23 | 988 days ago

The_Real_Stoney wrote:
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Jerry Sandusky is the one who was actually allegedly raping kids
I couldn't agree more. While I'm not defending Paterno and I do believe he deserves some of the blame for letting this continue to happen, I feel like his involvement (or lack of, however you want to put it) has overshadowed Sandusky in this whole thing. Personally, if my child was one of the victims of this, of course I would be livid that JoePa didn't do more than what he did, but I would want to kill Sandusky - plain and simple...and it just feels like he's slipping under the radar with all of this.
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#24 | 988 days ago

cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
 This type of statement is offensive to those of us who are not Christian. Please remember that "Christian" and "Moral" are not mutually exclusive. I don't worship your god...and this type of thing makes me sick. I would never allow children (or anybody else...including animals) to be abused in any way. If I'd been in JoePa's or any of the other admin's shoes, I would have confronted Sandusky myself and then continued on to report him not only to Admin but to police, and possibly the parents of the child. I don't care what protocol says...if I reported it to Admin and they didn't do anything about it I would have gone further..out of moral obligation, regardless of what might happen to me for "breaking the chain of command". This has nothing to do with spirituality.
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#25 | 988 days ago

Jess wrote:
 This type of statement is offensive to those of us who are not Christian. Please remember that "Christian" and "Moral" are not mutually exclusive. I don't worship your god...and this type of thing makes me sick. I would never allow children (or anybody else...including animals) to be abused in any way. If I'd been in JoePa's or any of the other admin's shoes, I would have confronted Sandusky myself and then continued on to report him not only to Admin but to police, and possibly the parents of the child. I don't care what protocol says...if I reported it to Admin and they didn't do anything about it I would have gone further..out of moral obligation, regardless of what might happen to me for "breaking the chain of command". This has nothing to do with spirituality.
You said what I wanted to way better than I could've.
#26 | 988 days ago
John_Daly (+)

cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
Preists have been cornholing little boys for hundres of years...IN AMERICA.
#27 | 988 days ago

Jeff_P wrote:
a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE THING..........this guy should be locked up.....throw away the key and let him ROT IN HELL...........as for PATERNO.......SHAME ON HIM for not calling the police..........and 1 more thing..........at his age.....75 at the time.....he should have been in a rocking chair at home with his grand kids and watching football..........NOT COACHING IT........
 I agree 100% that he should be locked up, and that Paterno should of called the police. But I have great respect for Paterno that he still coaches at his age.  I'm really disappointed that he let this go, and I hope this is not how he goes out but I'm afraid it is. And I hope this is not how he is remembered.
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#28 | 987 days ago
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cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
Yea, too many spiritual hypocrites....  Shall I present a list of the most prominent spiritual leaders of our time and their indiscretions?

Outrage?  Forgiveness?  Eh......

....but I would expect accountability for all individuals with direct knowledge of the incidents (especially the one with the guy that caught Sandusky in the shower raping that 10 year old), but a life sentence in a 6x6 cell in solitary confinement for Sandusky so he can live his life in silent torture with the voice of his memories punishing him in his conscious and sub-conscious thoughts so long as he shall live....and may it be a long life.....
#29 | 987 days ago

I'm confused about Paterno. I barely heard of the others involved, except Sandusky, and I follow College FB, But, I'm not a fanatic about it. I do know about JoePa tho, how could you not hear about him? for decades being in the limelight..... this just doesn't seem like something he'd do. I'm not saying he's not to blame at all, it seems like he didn't wanna deal with it, and left it to other ppl to take care of, ......it just seems like, Coaches and staff kept passing it on to somebody else, and turned their heads. Like they were scared to be the first to yell out and point at what was going on. Sounds like there's a lot of rugs that had stuff swept under them, for a long time. Its sick and its sad.
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#30 | 987 days ago

 The thing that bothers me the most is that a lot of people seem to be losing perspective in what's important in this whole ordeal.  This shouldn't be about a football game or Joe Paterno's legacy on the field.  This should be 100% about the children who were subject to some horrifying crimes by a very sick individual.  IMO, anybody who knew what was going on and didn't step up to stop this from continuing to happen had to go.  The fact is that in 2002, Joe Paterno was called to testify before a grand jury regarding molestation charges for Sandusky.  That should have been a red flag to everybody involved to cut ties immediately with Sandusky. Instead, he was allowed to continue to roam free on campus, use the football facilities and run his camp and charity at Penn State.  I don't believe Joe Paterno did anything illegal but I do believe he knew what was going on.  Nobody will ever be able to convince me that somebody as powerful and "godly" like Paterno didn't know everything that was going on at Penn State, especially when it comes to the football program.
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#31 | 987 days ago

Drummer99 wrote:
I'm confused about Paterno. I barely heard of the others involved, except Sandusky, and I follow College FB, But, I'm not a fanatic about it. I do know about JoePa tho, how could you not hear about him? for decades being in the limelight..... this just doesn't seem like something he'd do. I'm not saying he's not to blame at all, it seems like he didn't wanna deal with it, and left it to other ppl to take care of, ......it just seems like, Coaches and staff kept passing it on to somebody else, and turned their heads. Like they were scared to be the first to yell out and point at what was going on. Sounds like there's a lot of rugs that had stuff swept under them, for a long time. Its sick and its sad.
 I'm more confused as to why these guys choose to protect Sandusky.  Is protecting a rapist or the "image" of Penn State worth more then protecting the innocence of young children?
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#32 | 987 days ago

Scott wrote:
 The thing that bothers me the most is that a lot of people seem to be losing perspective in what's important in this whole ordeal.  This shouldn't be about a football game or Joe Paterno's legacy on the field.  This should be 100% about the children who were subject to some horrifying crimes by a very sick individual.  IMO, anybody who knew what was going on and didn't step up to stop this from continuing to happen had to go.  The fact is that in 2002, Joe Paterno was called to testify before a grand jury regarding molestation charges for Sandusky.  That should have been a red flag to everybody involved to cut ties immediately with Sandusky. Instead, he was allowed to continue to roam free on campus, use the football facilities and run his camp and charity at Penn State.  I don't believe Joe Paterno did anything illegal but I do believe he knew what was going on.  Nobody will ever be able to convince me that somebody as powerful and "godly" like Paterno didn't know everything that was going on at Penn State, especially when it comes to the football program.
I totally agree with that Scott................They are the exact same thoughts that I have been wondering about for the past two days.

I guess this goes to show that the old cliche' "Hindsight is 20/20"........................But then again there is no scenario in the world that would justify protecting a child molester. Joe Pa's respect level just dropped past OJ in my opinion.

Here's the main reason........................Paterno finds out that his assistant coach is a child molester, so he tells the director of the university. Then for some unimaginable reason they decide not to report it and have his a$$ thrown in jail. On top of it all Sandusky continues to keep an office on campus and hang around the place for the next 13 years!

Back to Joe Pa..............How do you live with your conscience seeing Sandusky walking around the offices and in the weight rooms for 13 years knowing what he did? So knowing what he knows now (hindsight 20/20) or how about this old cliche' "Everyone gets what they deserve."
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#33 | 987 days ago

The_Real_Stoney wrote:
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Jerry Sandusky is the one who was actually allegedly raping kids
people in the positions of those who did get fired are MANDATORY REPORTERS.  by law they must inform authorities.  around here the school crossing guards are required to report suspected abuse.   sandusky needs to be strapped down and a needle put in his vein.   good night Jerry.
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#34 | 987 days ago

(Edited by Drummer99)
Scott wrote:
 I'm more confused as to why these guys choose to protect Sandusky.  Is protecting a rapist or the "image" of Penn State worth more then protecting the innocence of young children?
I'm starting to believe, to them it was. Obviously in denial about the whole thing,...... And thats messed up......
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#35 | 985 days ago

NO, not messed up, DAMN messed up!!!!!!  I've been thinking a lot about this,......... these poor kids, looking for a big brother, a father figure...... somebody to pass a football to them. Making them feel important if they had a low self-esteem..... And that was NOT the case. .... Sandusky!!!!!!!!! you big hairy SOB!!!! .... ROT, ROT, ROT, Just plain old Rot. You big FAKE......... I pray for the boys to get over this, the best they can and heal as much as possible.
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#36 | 985 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Once today's (11-13) Outside The Line's YouTube is available, I hope to post a link, but some of the other reports they've had, plus the interviews, including one with a hockey player that went through a similar raping in his youth, are must-seeing (OK, maybe not if you are beyond outraged already)!
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#37 | 985 days ago
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Scott wrote:
 I'm more confused as to why these guys choose to protect Sandusky.  Is protecting a rapist or the "image" of Penn State worth more then protecting the innocence of young children?
Thank you, I believe that says it all.  How has college football become so important, that it is now worth RUINING childrens lives forever?
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#38 | 985 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Thank you, I believe that says it all.  How has college football become so important, that it is now worth RUINING childrens lives forever?
Glenda, I think that was the first reaction of ppl that followed this team and they were bewildered because of JoePa and the history of this team...... BUT, I CERTAINLY felt for the kids the whole time, but, there was so many missing puzzle pieces at first, ... at least for me there was, and the dust couldn't settle for me personally. (I barely heard any of this, I think I heard something briefly in 2008)........ Then it did settle, and then I just got SO much MORE pissed when I sat there thinking about these poor kids more and more. Now, I can't speak for everybody, I don't know how they feel about it now. I don't know who to trust in this anymore, Actually I don't trust any of them,....... not Joe, or ANY of them, sure the hell NOT Sandusky. That piece of trash. People are starting to come back down to earth on this, but, I don't think all ppl will think Joe did wrong in this. Its denial, he's like ppls Father or grandfather. They will have to explain that themselves, because I can't talk for thousands or millions ppl.
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#39 | 985 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Thank you, I believe that says it all.  How has college football become so important, that it is now worth RUINING childrens lives forever?
Hey Glenda, Sorry I got so rant-y on that,...... this whole thing just has me mad, that I can't stop once I start.
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#40 | 985 days ago

(Edited by AlwaysSunshine)
Jess wrote:
 This type of statement is offensive to those of us who are not Christian. Please remember that "Christian" and "Moral" are not mutually exclusive. I don't worship your god...and this type of thing makes me sick. I would never allow children (or anybody else...including animals) to be abused in any way. If I'd been in JoePa's or any of the other admin's shoes, I would have confronted Sandusky myself and then continued on to report him not only to Admin but to police, and possibly the parents of the child. I don't care what protocol says...if I reported it to Admin and they didn't do anything about it I would have gone further..out of moral obligation, regardless of what might happen to me for "breaking the chain of command". This has nothing to do with spirituality.
Unless I'm missing something, she didn't say anything about christianity.  To me, spirituality and Christianity are two different things and not mutually exclusive.  And this whole situation sounds like a spiritual problem to me as well.  Where has freedom of speech gone without people getting their toes stepped on? 
#41 | 985 days ago

AlwaysSunshine wrote:
Unless I'm missing something, she didn't say anything about christianity.  To me, spirituality and Christianity are two different things and not mutually exclusive.  And this whole situation sounds like a spiritual problem to me as well.  Where has freedom of speech gone without people getting their toes stepped on? 
 She said "Americal has a huge spiritual problem."

As I have found out in the past 10 years or so, "spiritual" is widely misinterpreted as "Christian". I know from conversations I've had with Pat in the past that she is a very devout Christian (nothing wrong with that at all), and takes issue with America having strayed from what she (and many others) believe to be its once Christian foundation. Unless I'm mistaken - in which case, I apologize - I figured this was in keeping with posts she's made in the past in regards to that.

I was simply trying to bring to people's attention that morality and spirituality, in whatever form, are not mutually exclusive.
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#42 | 985 days ago

Jess wrote:
 She said "Americal has a huge spiritual problem."

As I have found out in the past 10 years or so, "spiritual" is widely misinterpreted as "Christian". I know from conversations I've had with Pat in the past that she is a very devout Christian (nothing wrong with that at all), and takes issue with America having strayed from what she (and many others) believe to be its once Christian foundation. Unless I'm mistaken - in which case, I apologize - I figured this was in keeping with posts she's made in the past in regards to that.

I was simply trying to bring to people's attention that morality and spirituality, in whatever form, are not mutually exclusive.
In my experience, making implications about peoples' meanings without clarifying first generally leads to problems.  I would love to have seen that get cleared up first before any inferences were made.
#43 | 985 days ago

That's just my take as an outsider looking in on what's happened.
#44 | 985 days ago

cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
Yeah only the preachers should be allowed to touch young children! I believe the bible says, "Let ye who is without sin, cast the first stone." 
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#45 | 985 days ago
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(Edited by BDV4U)
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7229328

As promised, Sunday's ESPN's OTL
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#46 | 985 days ago

IDK who died and named me party pooper. 
#47 | 985 days ago
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AlwaysSunshine wrote:
In my experience, making implications about peoples' meanings without clarifying first generally leads to problems.  I would love to have seen that get cleared up first before any inferences were made.
This is how Wikipedia defines spirituality:  

   Traditionally, many religions have regarded spirituality as an integral aspect of religious experience. Among other factors, declining membership of organized religions and the growth of secularism in the western world have given rise to a broader view of spirituality.[5] The term "spiritual" is now frequently used in contexts in which the term "religious" was formally employed;




Everyone knowing that cuddles is a christian, its not out of  the question for people to assume what she really meant by "spiritual problem"
#48 | 985 days ago

(Edited by AlwaysSunshine)
John_Daly wrote:
This is how Wikipedia defines spirituality:  

   Traditionally, many religions have regarded spirituality as an integral aspect of religious experience. Among other factors, declining membership of organized religions and the growth of secularism in the western world have given rise to a broader view of spirituality.[5] The term "spiritual" is now frequently used in contexts in which the term "religious" was formally employed;




Everyone knowing that cuddles is a christian, its not out of  the question for people to assume what she really meant by "spiritual problem"
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#49 | 984 days ago
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John_Daly wrote:
This is how Wikipedia defines spirituality:  

   Traditionally, many religions have regarded spirituality as an integral aspect of religious experience. Among other factors, declining membership of organized religions and the growth of secularism in the western world have given rise to a broader view of spirituality.[5] The term "spiritual" is now frequently used in contexts in which the term "religious" was formally employed;




Everyone knowing that cuddles is a christian, its not out of  the question for people to assume what she really meant by "spiritual problem"
So you're saying Jews, Muslims, Wiccans and other non-Christian/non-Eastern faiths don't "cuddle"?

You know what they say about the word ASS/U/ME....
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#51 | 984 days ago

cuddles127017 wrote:
It's just another sign of the decay of this once great nation.   Americal has a huge spiritual problem.
I agree and you only have to look at State College PA for evidence of that. Granted thats not the only place, but what was allowed to happen there is unbeleiveable.  I wonder it wasnt only PSU that knew of Sanduskys action or had other schools heard rumors about this guy. If he was such a great defensive coordinator why didn't he get head coaching job somewhere?
#52 | 984 days ago

 While I don't have a dog in this hunt, my opinion is very simple............IF it has been proven that Joe P. didn't do what was required, burn his ass......the other guy, well.....being from the south, I'd have to say lynch his ass......but seeing as this is America AND everyone is SUPPOSED to be innocent until proven guilty, I will wait and see what the courts decide and think Pen State should have done the same
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#53 | 984 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Drummer99 wrote:
Hey Glenda, Sorry I got so rant-y on that,...... this whole thing just has me mad, that I can't stop once I start.
Thats ok, but I think that as more of this story comes out, that a lot of people "reported it" then turned a blind eye all in the name of a football game.


  And do not even get me started on the Christian aspect of this ok because all these men proclaim to be christians. As a matter of fact, I'll bet there are many many many men and women abusing children sexually physiaclly and emotionally and go to church every Sunday.
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#54 | 984 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Thats ok, but I think that as more of this story comes out, that a lot of people "reported it" then turned a blind eye all in the name of a football game.


  And do not even get me started on the Christian aspect of this ok because all these men proclaim to be christians. As a matter of fact, I'll bet there are many many many men and women abusing children sexually physiaclly and emotionally and go to church every Sunday.
And there are many who don't.
#55 | 984 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Thats ok, but I think that as more of this story comes out, that a lot of people "reported it" then turned a blind eye all in the name of a football game.


  And do not even get me started on the Christian aspect of this ok because all these men proclaim to be christians. As a matter of fact, I'll bet there are many many many men and women abusing children sexually physiaclly and emotionally and go to church every Sunday.
I agree with your first part. But, I never brought up Christians. In fact I haven't even heard any news reports bringing it up, or mentioning Sandukys religion or Joe Paterno's. How'd religion get into this?
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#56 | 984 days ago

Glenda, I read a few of the other posts, so assuming you're referring to Cuddles post. That's her opinion. I don't know if you can insert it into this subject. I will agree with the decay part, this Country and this world is going down hill. Values out the window. But, abusing kids have been around for thousands of years. Perverts that were religious and non-religious. I know it looks hypocritical for Priests and Reverends to do such things, but, all walks of life perform these acts.

I noticed a lot of ppl put, "Hang'm" I shoulda put that, because  more than hundred years ago, Sandusky would have been hung.
WITHOUT a trial.
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#57 | 984 days ago

Drummer99 wrote:
Glenda, I read a few of the other posts, so assuming you're referring to Cuddles post. That's her opinion. I don't know if you can insert it into this subject. I will agree with the decay part, this Country and this world is going down hill. Values out the window. But, abusing kids have been around for thousands of years. Perverts that were religious and non-religious. I know it looks hypocritical for Priests and Reverends to do such things, but, all walks of life perform these acts.

I noticed a lot of ppl put, "Hang'm" I shoulda put that, because  more than hundred years ago, Sandusky would have been hung.
WITHOUT a trial.
 Actually.......a hundred years ago, people did the same thing they did in this situation-------------------ignored it and kept on being. 

The rights of children and their well being has never been a top priority in this country. 
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#58 | 984 days ago

kteacher wrote:
 Actually.......a hundred years ago, people did the same thing they did in this situation-------------------ignored it and kept on being. 

The rights of children and their well being has never been a top priority in this country. 
I'm sure that's true in a lot of cases, but, I can't believe it happened in all cases. I'm sure it wouldn't make the headlines because of shame.
If it was brought out in public, you think they would have let Sandusky live?
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#59 | 984 days ago

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Drummer99 wrote:
I'm sure that's true in a lot of cases, but, I can't believe it happened in all cases. I'm sure it wouldn't make the headlines because of shame.
If it was brought out in public, you think they would have let Sandusky live?
No....I'm sure the families of those affected would want to cut off his man goodies and feed him to fish; however, others (not involved) let things slide----not their problem kind of a thing.

As a citizen of our country, this isn't something I'm very proud of. 
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#60 | 984 days ago

kteacher wrote:
No....I'm sure the families of those affected would want to cut off his man goodies and feed him to fish; however, others (not involved) let things slide----not their problem kind of a thing.

As a citizen of our country, this isn't something I'm very proud of. 
I agree. Btw, I just read a few days ago, Child molesters did not have to register until 1994???.... or was that certain States....... Either way, the law for this crime is way to passive. And as you said, ppl looking the other way, that has to stop,.... I don't care if its Football, TV or whatever. I'm tired of hearing about Kids getting abused and nothing but apathy. No wonder these Pervert Bastard$ are so bold.

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#61 | 983 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

^^^^^Well said Alex.....
#62 | 983 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Thats ok, but I think that as more of this story comes out, that a lot of people "reported it" then turned a blind eye all in the name of a football game.


  And do not even get me started on the Christian aspect of this ok because all these men proclaim to be christians. As a matter of fact, I'll bet there are many many many men and women abusing children sexually physiaclly and emotionally and go to church every Sunday.
Duh Glenda...those are the priests
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#63 | 982 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

Finally, words from the assistant coach:

news.yahoo.com/email-outlines-reaction-alleged-sandusky-attack-073200066.html

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