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does anyone really care
okay fellow iqers the players and owners are meeting as I write this poll to see if they can salvage the NBA season or will it all go away,my question is does anybody really care that a lot of over paid athletes and owners have a season or not,what is your view on this matter
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27 Fans 
22%a. I care
30%b. No one cares
30%c. What is the NBA
0%d. fire the players I need a job
19%e. other

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#4 | 986 days ago

(Edited by Jess)
 I don't follow the NBA - I prefer NCAABB, HOWEVER...I do care. I remember how hard it was on me when the NHL was locked out for an entire season, and I remember how panicked I was when the NFL came close to losing regular season games (devastated that the HOF game was canceled). Just because I don't follow it doesn't mean that I won't feel horrible for my friends who love it. I don't wish a lockout on any fan...it sucks. 

I also don't like the attitude that people have about the money aspect of it all. I don't feel like getting into exactly why that attitude irks me, but it has something to do with the fact that it is in fact a business, and personally I think there's a lot of jealousy just because it's a lucrative business. Nobody scoffs at other types of unions for standing up or holding out for more (whether that be money or something else that has more to do with benefits, safety, etc.) Who cares if it's a bunch of overpaid athletes and owners? We're all sports fans here...we're the ones to blame in that respect. We buy the jerseys and the tickets, and the sports packages, etc. We support it (if your sport isn't the NBA, it's obviously something else...and to complain about just the NBA is being hypocritical). 

(edited for a grammar mistake...I'm tired...I'm going to bed)
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#1 | 986 days ago

Truely does it matter till June when the Playoffs Start?
No one cares  
#2 | 986 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Ripx7 wrote:
Truely does it matter till June when the Playoffs Start?
No. Don't even care then! Hockey & baseball, baby!
No one cares  
#3 | 986 days ago
18packabs (+)

are we missing BasketBrawl?
other  
#4 | 986 days ago

(Edited by Jess)
 I don't follow the NBA - I prefer NCAABB, HOWEVER...I do care. I remember how hard it was on me when the NHL was locked out for an entire season, and I remember how panicked I was when the NFL came close to losing regular season games (devastated that the HOF game was canceled). Just because I don't follow it doesn't mean that I won't feel horrible for my friends who love it. I don't wish a lockout on any fan...it sucks. 

I also don't like the attitude that people have about the money aspect of it all. I don't feel like getting into exactly why that attitude irks me, but it has something to do with the fact that it is in fact a business, and personally I think there's a lot of jealousy just because it's a lucrative business. Nobody scoffs at other types of unions for standing up or holding out for more (whether that be money or something else that has more to do with benefits, safety, etc.) Who cares if it's a bunch of overpaid athletes and owners? We're all sports fans here...we're the ones to blame in that respect. We buy the jerseys and the tickets, and the sports packages, etc. We support it (if your sport isn't the NBA, it's obviously something else...and to complain about just the NBA is being hypocritical). 

(edited for a grammar mistake...I'm tired...I'm going to bed)
I care  
#5 | 985 days ago

They're holding out for a 2% increase of the split, which they've already lost that revenue by not playing. The owners will probably have to jack up the prices of the tickets to make up for the games that weren't played. In the end it's the fans who are getting ripped off not these greedy players or owners.
#6 | 985 days ago
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(Edited by Sharp Square)


Im not a fan of the NBA anymore because the league as a whole has become a pile of $h1T and a shadow of its former self with a bunch of clowns who care more about cashing checks , showing their bling , and getting on sportscenter, etc then they do about the game or winning. Is it every one in the league of course not , but it has become far too many.


With that being said i hope for those who are still fans of the game (all 3 handfulls of you) that they do get a deal done and at least some part of a season played. But i care much more for all the "little people" and "real workers" that are effected by something like this all the people working at the arena's etc who don't make millions and really need their jobs to put food on the table for their families. Those people are the one's i most want to see a deal be done for and their jobs once again become secure.
other  
#7 | 985 days ago

 In my opinion, we finally have basketball out of football season.....NBA blows anyways, college players are better and play harder anyway. Now all we have to do is get the damned baseball players to only play between April and August and it will be all good
What is the NBA  
#8 | 985 days ago

i could give a RATS ASS...........IF THEY EVER DRIBBLED THEIR BALLS AGAIN...........
#9 | 985 days ago

I really don't care, before they play again all the players in the league should be made to give half of their yearly contract to the state they play in!
other  
#10 | 985 days ago

meh
What is the NBA  
#11 | 985 days ago

I don't care and yes i think they are overpaid and the tickets are too high.
other  
#12 | 985 days ago

One of my very good friends was a huge basketball fan.  Loved his Utah Jazz.  But over the last 5 years or so he has soured on the game.  It got to the point for him where he no longer was an NBA fan....   Just a Jazz fan.  Then he abandoned his Jazz altogether when some player got Sloane fired.  He told me he was just sick to death of those tattooed prima dona thugs running around thinking they were God's gift to sports and sports fans.

I've never been into basketball at either the NBA level or the minor league level (colleges).  But just thought I 'd share the opinion of a friend who was.
What is the NBA  
#13 | 985 days ago

one more time.................
I DON'T GIVE A SH*T  about the NBA  
No one cares  
#14 | 985 days ago
BDV4U (+)

WISAC1 wrote:
one more time.................
I DON'T GIVE A SH*T  about the NBA  
Agreed

If you can't be happy with an average salary of $5,000,000.00, with minimal talent, there is something seriously wrong with you!

Take the stupid 50% or sit the F*** OUT! NO ONE IS CRYING FOR YOU!!!!!
No one cares  
#15 | 985 days ago

As I said earlier, I'm no fan of the NBA or the game of basketball in general.  But it seems to me that since the NBA had a soft salary cap in place if the owners are losing money it's their own damn fault.  
What is the NBA  
#16 | 985 days ago

Hockey had a higher Nielson rating for the stanly cup , then the NBA finals .
What is the NBA  
#17 | 985 days ago

ompy1000 wrote:
Hockey had a higher Nielson rating for the stanly cup , then the NBA finals .
I like hockey and would love to see that, but I have a hard time believing that...  Where did you come across that little nugget?  I'd love to confirm it was so!
What is the NBA  
#18 | 984 days ago

I could care less about he NBA. At least the sports channels can focus more on hockey now. Most of the pro sports leagues are goig to sh!t now, though. I love hockey but Bettman is ruining the NHL.
What is the NBA  
#19 | 984 days ago

ML31 wrote:
I like hockey and would love to see that, but I have a hard time believing that...  Where did you come across that little nugget?  I'd love to confirm it was so!
nielson ratings . The Stanly Cup has more viewers than the NBA championship.
What is the NBA  
#20 | 983 days ago

ompy1000 wrote:
nielson ratings . The Stanly Cup has more viewers than the NBA championship.
I 'm aware of the Nielson ratings.  Do you have a link that shows this somewhere?
What is the NBA  
#21 | 983 days ago

ML31 wrote:
I 'm aware of the Nielson ratings.  Do you have a link that shows this somewhere?
2011 NBA Finals: Average of 17.3 million viewers over 6 games.

2011 Stanley Cup Finals: Average of 11.5 million North American viewers over 7 games. (Scroll down to STANLEY CUP FINAL SETS VIEWERSHIP MILESTONES headline). Although, it should be included that being one of the teams was Vancouver, Canadian viewership took charge of that, and NBC/Versus audiences averaged 4.6 million. That's also in the same section, second to last paragraph.
#22 | 983 days ago

Chief_aka_James wrote:
2011 NBA Finals: Average of 17.3 million viewers over 6 games.

2011 Stanley Cup Finals: Average of 11.5 million North American viewers over 7 games. (Scroll down to STANLEY CUP FINAL SETS VIEWERSHIP MILESTONES headline). Although, it should be included that being one of the teams was Vancouver, Canadian viewership took charge of that, and NBC/Versus audiences averaged 4.6 million. That's also in the same section, second to last paragraph.
That's what I thought.  I'd love for the NHL to outdraw the NBA but just couldn't believe it did.
What is the NBA  
#23 | 983 days ago

By forcing a Lockout, The NBA Players Union (and players) have already LOST more money than they were seeking  to gain.

Am I the only one that finds this f**king hilarious?

IDIOTS.
#24 | 983 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
beach_pirate wrote:
By forcing a Lockout, The NBA Players Union (and players) have already LOST more money than they were seeking  to gain.

Am I the only one that finds this f**king hilarious?

IDIOTS.
By definition, a lockout is forced by the owners. Like their NFL counterparts, NBA owners wanted significant concessions from the players. However, while the NFL eventually negotiated in somewhat good faith and conceded some things, the NBA wants to run up the score in a battle they've already won. Seriously, have the NBA players gotten *any * significant concessions from the owners? Now, the players have been incredibly tone deaf throughout this thing, and deserve as much scorn as the owners for this mess, but to put all the blame on the players shows you're not paying attention and/or have some sort of bias.
#25 | 983 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Eric_ wrote:
By definition, a lockout is forced by the owners. Like their NFL counterparts, NBA owners wanted significant concessions from the players. However, while the NFL eventually negotiated in somewhat good faith and conceded some things, the NBA wants to run up the score in a battle they've already won. Seriously, have the NBA players gotten *any * significant concessions from the owners? Now, the players have been incredibly tone deaf throughout this thing, and deserve as much scorn as the owners for this mess, but to put all the blame on the players shows you're not paying attention and/or have some sort of bias.
Unlike their NFL brethren, the NBA owners have some serious issues - albeit self-inflicted. IF the financial numbers are true, a good percentage of teams are run in, or near, the red and cannot afford to exist under the current model (see NHL before latest CBA). The NBA doesn't have - nor ever will - have NFL money to get itself out of this mess, nor does it seem to have NHL savvy and leadership to say, "HEY! Both sides need to take a serious look at themselves and get a grip on reality before we stupidity ourselves out of existence!"
No one cares  
#26 | 983 days ago

ML31 wrote:
I 'm aware of the Nielson ratings.  Do you have a link that shows this somewhere?
mo but I will research it.
What is the NBA  
#27 | 983 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
By definition, a lockout is forced by the owners. Like their NFL counterparts, NBA owners wanted significant concessions from the players. However, while the NFL eventually negotiated in somewhat good faith and conceded some things, the NBA wants to run up the score in a battle they've already won. Seriously, have the NBA players gotten *any * significant concessions from the owners? Now, the players have been incredibly tone deaf throughout this thing, and deserve as much scorn as the owners for this mess, but to put all the blame on the players shows you're not paying attention and/or have some sort of bias.
1. There's certainly no shortage of Greed in this travesty known as today's NBA. (On both sides)
2. The Lockout was executed by the Owners after the NBAPA "forced it" by rejecting several newly proposed Collective Bargaining Agreements.
3. I am aware of the issues of the Lockout in great detail 
4. "Seriously, have the NBA players gotten *any * significant concessions from the owners?"
Haha. Are you kidding me? ... 22 of the 30 Owners in the league last year LOST money. How many PLAYERS lost money last year?

The bottom line is that the revenues generated by the league are not dispersed fairley among all of the teams in order to assure each team has the potential to make a profit AND compete legitimately for a championship. The league CANNOT restructure its revenue sharing without a new CBA. PERIOD. And YES, that means salaries of some of these extremely overpaid players will be reduced. The Union couldn't care less about the actual "business" of these issues. They just want all the money they can bleed out of the guys that are actually assuming the financial risk of running the business.

It's yet another example of a Union jeopardizing the business that provides them their lavish lifestyle by completely ignoring the facts or the issues and only caring about their own bank accounts.

It cracks me up (no, really it sickens me) everytime I hear a player or Union official make the statement "we only want what's FAIR". Please explain to me how its FAIR for Unionized players to continue to make huge sums of money (and want more) while the owners of the business operate in the Red ... and tthe average fan can't afford to buy a ticket?

The ONLY blame I place on the Owners at this point in time is:
1. The last 2 CBA's should never have been signed. The latest one, where the Union claimed 57 % of the BRI, was an absolute joke and simply gauranteed that the majority of the teams would lose money. Shame on you Owners for caving and signing a STUPID deal.
2. The few large market Owners that DO make a profit were just GREEDY. Period. They knew the smaller markets wouldn't make a profit OR be able to afford to put a product on the court that could compete. Shame on you...you select few Greedy F**ks.

Biased?  Sure I am. I HATE Unions. Have for a looooong time and probably will til I die. That doesn't mean Im wrong or don't know/understand the facts.
#28 | 983 days ago
BDV4U (+)

beach_pirate wrote:
1. There's certainly no shortage of Greed in this travesty known as today's NBA. (On both sides)
2. The Lockout was executed by the Owners after the NBAPA "forced it" by rejecting several newly proposed Collective Bargaining Agreements.
3. I am aware of the issues of the Lockout in great detail 
4. "Seriously, have the NBA players gotten *any * significant concessions from the owners?"
Haha. Are you kidding me? ... 22 of the 30 Owners in the league last year LOST money. How many PLAYERS lost money last year?

The bottom line is that the revenues generated by the league are not dispersed fairley among all of the teams in order to assure each team has the potential to make a profit AND compete legitimately for a championship. The league CANNOT restructure its revenue sharing without a new CBA. PERIOD. And YES, that means salaries of some of these extremely overpaid players will be reduced. The Union couldn't care less about the actual "business" of these issues. They just want all the money they can bleed out of the guys that are actually assuming the financial risk of running the business.

It's yet another example of a Union jeopardizing the business that provides them their lavish lifestyle by completely ignoring the facts or the issues and only caring about their own bank accounts.

It cracks me up (no, really it sickens me) everytime I hear a player or Union official make the statement "we only want what's FAIR". Please explain to me how its FAIR for Unionized players to continue to make huge sums of money (and want more) while the owners of the business operate in the Red ... and tthe average fan can't afford to buy a ticket?

The ONLY blame I place on the Owners at this point in time is:
1. The last 2 CBA's should never have been signed. The latest one, where the Union claimed 57 % of the BRI, was an absolute joke and simply gauranteed that the majority of the teams would lose money. Shame on you Owners for caving and signing a STUPID deal.
2. The few large market Owners that DO make a profit were just GREEDY. Period. They knew the smaller markets wouldn't make a profit OR be able to afford to put a product on the court that could compete. Shame on you...you select few Greedy F**ks.

Biased?  Sure I am. I HATE Unions. Have for a looooong time and probably will til I die. That doesn't mean Im wrong or don't know/understand the facts.
4.  ... How many PLAYERS lost money last year?

Any idea how much it costs to finance an entourage of 30 homies, purchase and gas up a fleet of Escalades and Hummers AND keep rollin' in b!+ches until the wee hours of the morning?!? A guy like Kobe is lucky if he still has enough leftover to buy his wife a "I'm sorry I banged that spa chick during rehab" ring without having to dip into his endorsement money!
No one cares  
#29 | 983 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
BDV4U wrote:
Unlike their NFL brethren, the NBA owners have some serious issues - albeit self-inflicted. IF the financial numbers are true, a good percentage of teams are run in, or near, the red and cannot afford to exist under the current model (see NHL before latest CBA). The NBA doesn't have - nor ever will - have NFL money to get itself out of this mess, nor does it seem to have NHL savvy and leadership to say, "HEY! Both sides need to take a serious look at themselves and get a grip on reality before we stupidity ourselves out of existence!"
You've hit the nail on the head. Both sides are walking off the cliff together thanks to their own stupidity. As much as I'd miss Christmas ball and the playoffs, if they're going to be this obtuse, *bleep* 'em. I'll watch college basketball and maybe some non-Caps hockey this winter.

Also, beach, I'm not ducking you. I want to be sober when I respond.
#30 | 981 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
beach_pirate wrote:
1. There's certainly no shortage of Greed in this travesty known as today's NBA. (On both sides)
2. The Lockout was executed by the Owners after the NBAPA "forced it" by rejecting several newly proposed Collective Bargaining Agreements.
3. I am aware of the issues of the Lockout in great detail 
4. "Seriously, have the NBA players gotten *any * significant concessions from the owners?"
Haha. Are you kidding me? ... 22 of the 30 Owners in the league last year LOST money. How many PLAYERS lost money last year?

The bottom line is that the revenues generated by the league are not dispersed fairley among all of the teams in order to assure each team has the potential to make a profit AND compete legitimately for a championship. The league CANNOT restructure its revenue sharing without a new CBA. PERIOD. And YES, that means salaries of some of these extremely overpaid players will be reduced. The Union couldn't care less about the actual "business" of these issues. They just want all the money they can bleed out of the guys that are actually assuming the financial risk of running the business.

It's yet another example of a Union jeopardizing the business that provides them their lavish lifestyle by completely ignoring the facts or the issues and only caring about their own bank accounts.

It cracks me up (no, really it sickens me) everytime I hear a player or Union official make the statement "we only want what's FAIR". Please explain to me how its FAIR for Unionized players to continue to make huge sums of money (and want more) while the owners of the business operate in the Red ... and tthe average fan can't afford to buy a ticket?

The ONLY blame I place on the Owners at this point in time is:
1. The last 2 CBA's should never have been signed. The latest one, where the Union claimed 57 % of the BRI, was an absolute joke and simply gauranteed that the majority of the teams would lose money. Shame on you Owners for caving and signing a STUPID deal.
2. The few large market Owners that DO make a profit were just GREEDY. Period. They knew the smaller markets wouldn't make a profit OR be able to afford to put a product on the court that could compete. Shame on you...you select few Greedy F**ks.

Biased?  Sure I am. I HATE Unions. Have for a looooong time and probably will til I die. That doesn't mean Im wrong or don't know/understand the facts.
OK then...

First of all, when I was talking about concessions, I meant solely in the context of these negotiations. In theory, the players should have some leverage due to them *being* the product, but their own disorganization but the owners continual hardball stance seems to have reversed that. Given I wanted to see pro ball this year, I was hoping the players would take the current deal, but I can see why they didn't given the tone of these negotiations. Of course, they opened themselves to major public backlash, but that's nothing new...

Here's the thing with the 22 teams losing money (was that ever independently proven btw?). A lot of it is of their own doing. Yes, the 57-43 BRI split was too far in the direction of the players. However, that's the deal the league and the owners signed off on. If they lose out because of it, that's on them. The owners also couldn't help themselves when handing out big contracts to guys not worth big money, Rashard Lewis's deal being the best example. No one in the NBA thought he was worth a max deal, yet the Magic gave it to him anyway. Who's fault is that?

There are certainly issues with the economic structure, but the owners are trying to strong arm their way into guaranteeing themselves a profit, which is not how capitalism works. Even if some (many?) are losing money, those franchise values keep going up, and people keep wanting to buy in, and those sale prices keep going up. These are not indicators of a failing business. Also, does anyone really think ticket prices will be lowered (well, other than out of desperation to make up for all the goodwill lost)?

Obviously the players have completely botched this and deserve their share of the blame. I just can't see how the owners don't deserve their share as well. Both sides have turned the atmosphere toxic, and thus will fall off the cliff together. Both are getting what they deserve.

Edited because damn I need to start proofreading what I write here.
#31 | 981 days ago
BDV4U (+)

Eric_ wrote:
OK then...

First of all, when I was talking about concessions, I meant solely in the context of these negotiations. In theory, the players should have some leverage due to them *being* the product, but their own disorganization but the owners continual hardball stance seems to have reversed that. Given I wanted to see pro ball this year, I was hoping the players would take the current deal, but I can see why they didn't given the tone of these negotiations. Of course, they opened themselves to major public backlash, but that's nothing new...

Here's the thing with the 22 teams losing money (was that ever independently proven btw?). A lot of it is of their own doing. Yes, the 57-43 BRI split was too far in the direction of the players. However, that's the deal the league and the owners signed off on. If they lose out because of it, that's on them. The owners also couldn't help themselves when handing out big contracts to guys not worth big money, Rashard Lewis's deal being the best example. No one in the NBA thought he was worth a max deal, yet the Magic gave it to him anyway. Who's fault is that?

There are certainly issues with the economic structure, but the owners are trying to strong arm their way into guaranteeing themselves a profit, which is not how capitalism works. Even if some (many?) are losing money, those franchise values keep going up, and people keep wanting to buy in, and those sale prices keep going up. These are not indicators of a failing business. Also, does anyone really think ticket prices will be lowered (well, other than out of desperation to make up for all the goodwill lost)?

Obviously the players have completely botched this and deserve their share of the blame. I just can't see how the owners don't deserve their share as well. Both sides have turned the atmosphere toxic, and thus will fall off the cliff together. Both are getting what they deserve.

Edited because damn I need to start proofreading what I write here.
I thought the concessions you were talking about had hotdogs, beer & nachos
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