As a Wisconsinite, I've been ashamed of Paul Ryan for quite some time. Now, beyond ashamed. Paul Ryan is a joke.

I'm awaiting the first person in the media to ask a Romney surrogate what's so bold about picking a hard line ideologue as your running mate.  Or, whats so bold about a hardline far right budget? That's easy.  There's nothing difficult about going straight ideology.  That's easy.  Bold is challenging your own opinions, and Paul Ryan has never ever once done that.

Also, waiting for the first person in the media to point out to Paul Ryan that he's responsible for a gigantic part of the deficit he's railing against. To go back to the bold point, what's bold about railing against a problem you're responsible for?

To sum up my thoughts on Paul Ryan, if he were Paulina Ryan instead of Paul Ryan, he'd be a national joke.

Lucky me, in about 10 days, the city I live in gets overrun by the gun carrying* sexist, racist, homophobic, fairy tale believing morons!

*edited as per facts pointed out by Eric

The media loves Paul Ryan. They think he's a principled conservative. They think he will make this a "serious" campaign about "serious" issues (yep, that's really happened). Chuck Todd, David Gregory, Andrea Mitchell, et al have been going gaga since this leaked on Friday. Liberal media my ass.

Few questions based on rumors I've kinda heard but haven't had the desire to research yet...

1. Paul Ryan is 32? I've seen him. I don't like his face... or his age if it's 32.
2. The republicans are running a mormon and an atheist (or a catholic who loves an atheist) (so confused)? The same republicans that think the current president is a muslim and should be in africa? Is this legal?
3. Can you be an atheist vice president in america? Aren't presidents (and/or vice) required to say GOD bless America at least 20x a term? What is he going to say during a crisis that will appease the masses and the south?! Do they not say so help me god at the end of the oath? (even if he's not an atheist, I want these answers)

Thanks.


random: i wish write-ins mattered. I think I really would consider voting for colbert at this point....
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Oh, BBC I bolded you because you said it a lot... subliminal. 
(WHOOPS! Is that a subliminal hint? NO!
Just criminal intent, to sodomize women again,
Eminem offend? NO!) Excuse my brain.

Few questions based on rumors I've kinda heard but haven't had the desire to research yet...

1. Paul Ryan is 32? I've seen him. I don't like his face... or his age if it's 32.
2. The republicans are running a mormon and an atheist (or a catholic who loves an atheist) (so confused)? The same republicans that think the current president is a muslim and should be in africa? Is this legal?
3. Can you be an atheist vice president in america? Aren't presidents (and/or vice) required to say GOD bless America at least 20x a term? What is he going to say during a crisis that will appease the masses and the south?! Do they not say so help me god at the end of the oath? (even if he's not an atheist, I want these answers)

Thanks.


random: i wish write-ins mattered. I think I really would consider voting for colbert at this point....
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Oh, BBC I bolded you because you said it a lot... subliminal. 
(WHOOPS! Is that a subliminal hint? NO!
Just criminal intent, to sodomize women again,
Eminem offend? NO!) Excuse my brain.

In the above interview, PR says he is a Christian.  

Of course, his explanation is wonky.  


If you're not friends with Norse on FB,  you're missing out.  He's on a roll.   Gonna try and get him to pop in here.


Some of what we have been talking about:


http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/

http://lifesalap.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/rand-or-christ-mutually-exclusive/


I get to work today, while my boss tries to explain that while she believes in a lot of Rands writings, she is still a Christian. too.

Thursday are soooooooo long for me.

"In the above interview, PR says he is a Christian."

what just happened: "Puerto Rico says he's a Christian? Jesus Christ, he's puerto rican?! Puerto Rican atheists?! It's too mu....Paul Ryan. Oh. Ha."

I don't want to soil the name Ryan.

Between Paul Ryan and Captain Checkdown Matt Ryan, I think I would be embarrassed to have the name Ryan.

Lucky me, in about 10 days, the city I live in gets overrun by the gun carrying* sexist, racist, homophobic, fairy tale believing morons!

*edited as per facts pointed out by Eric

I'm switching it up a little because something irritated me last night. 

Last night I was relaxing after a long day putting a freak'n photo book together when the news came on. First story was about Obama's Immigration policy and the long lines of undocumented people who were in this country as kids who had no papers. They were finally being able to file for papers. SOMETHING I believe is great. This is their country. They pay taxes (we pay taxes on most items we purchase.....that income tax bullsh*t pisses me off......EVERYONE pays taxes), have served this country in the military, etc........yet were in a dark......because they had no papers, and now they finally get them. This isn't what irritated me. What irritated me was the 5 or 10 people protesting this. Literally.....that is how many it looked like there were. BAsically they wanted these "undocumented" people to go back to their own country and fix their country. Didn't seem to matter that most of these people came here as young children. THIS is their only country. I was literally yelling at my television and was surprised my neighbors didn't call for help. Ugly Americans like them piss me off and make me want to kick someone. 

It just angers me all over typing just this little bit. UGH. People make me sick.

I was confused there for a scecond but gun carrying and homophobic clarified things, other wise I would have thought you were talking about the democratic national convention.

Fisherman Joe keep in mind the SIN acronym applies in here, so good luck brah.

S - Shift the blame

I - Ignore the Facts

N- -Name call


Ash - Awwwww,  I'm sure she thinks its purdy special too.


I'm tired. i dont feel good and its not some "man period" thing. Just old and worn out.
Later tards

I was confused there for a scecond but gun carrying and homophobic clarified things, other wise I would have thought you were talking about the democratic national convention.

Fisherman Joe keep in mind the SIN acronym applies in here, so good luck brah.

S - Shift the blame

I - Ignore the Facts

N- -Name call


Ash - Awwwww,  I'm sure she thinks its purdy special too.


I'm tired. i dont feel good and its not some "man period" thing. Just old and worn out.
Later tards

^^^^^^^^^ OH.....I heard what that "lady" said. I'd throw my shoe at her if I ever got a chance. I wonder if she'd feel the same way if it was a U.S. Marine or other military member because their are plenty of them and many were in those lines as well. 

I was confused there for a scecond but gun carrying and homophobic clarified things, other wise I would have thought you were talking about the democratic national convention.

Fisherman Joe keep in mind the SIN acronym applies in here, so good luck brah.

S - Shift the blame

I - Ignore the Facts

N- -Name call


Ash - Awwwww,  I'm sure she thinks its purdy special too.


I'm tired. i dont feel good and its not some "man period" thing. Just old and worn out.
Later tards

As a Wisconsinite, I've been ashamed of Paul Ryan for quite some time. Now, beyond ashamed. Paul Ryan is a joke.

I'm awaiting the first person in the media to ask a Romney surrogate what's so bold about picking a hard line ideologue as your running mate.  Or, whats so bold about a hardline far right budget? That's easy.  There's nothing difficult about going straight ideology.  That's easy.  Bold is challenging your own opinions, and Paul Ryan has never ever once done that.

Also, waiting for the first person in the media to point out to Paul Ryan that he's responsible for a gigantic part of the deficit he's railing against. To go back to the bold point, what's bold about railing against a problem you're responsible for?

To sum up my thoughts on Paul Ryan, if he were Paulina Ryan instead of Paul Ryan, he'd be a national joke.

Lucky me, in about 10 days, the city I live in gets overrun by the gun carrying* sexist, racist, homophobic, fairy tale believing morons!

*edited as per facts pointed out by Eric

Your random warmed my soul... I am bringing a sharpie into the voting area and writing Colbert/Stewart on the machine.

she's just following the law lady....no need for shoe throwing, which would be against the law btw.....panties are an entirely different story however.   there are many many more that have nothing / zero to do with the military.

That acronym only applies if you have "facts" of rebuttal that have gone ignored, can prove the shift of blame, and didn't just name call yourself. 

**I'm tired myself. Have a great day. 

I'm switching it up a little because something irritated me last night. 

Last night I was relaxing after a long day putting a freak'n photo book together when the news came on. First story was about Obama's Immigration policy and the long lines of undocumented people who were in this country as kids who had no papers. They were finally being able to file for papers. SOMETHING I believe is great. This is their country. They pay taxes (we pay taxes on most items we purchase.....that income tax bullsh*t pisses me off......EVERYONE pays taxes), have served this country in the military, etc........yet were in a dark......because they had no papers, and now they finally get them. This isn't what irritated me. What irritated me was the 5 or 10 people protesting this. Literally.....that is how many it looked like there were. BAsically they wanted these "undocumented" people to go back to their own country and fix their country. Didn't seem to matter that most of these people came here as young children. THIS is their only country. I was literally yelling at my television and was surprised my neighbors didn't call for help. Ugly Americans like them piss me off and make me want to kick someone. 

It just angers me all over typing just this little bit. UGH. People make me sick.

I was about to point out how Ohio Republicans weren't even trying to conceal their attempts to steal the election, as they were trying to make it so early voting hours were longer in Republican areas than Democratic. But, lo and behold, the Secretary of State actually did the right thing and made the early voting hours uniform for everyone. The question now is will it actually be *enforced* uniformally.

So today my ire goes towards the Obama administration, for decided that nope, no need to prosecute anyone regarding the MF Global mess. In fact, the firm's fearless leader, the piece of garbage Jon Corzine, is all ready to go back and start another hedge fund! How fine and dandy!

The failure to hold anyone on Wall Street accountable for what happened is easily the biggest failure of the Obama presidency.

Few questions based on rumors I've kinda heard but haven't had the desire to research yet...

1. Paul Ryan is 32? I've seen him. I don't like his face... or his age if it's 32.
2. The republicans are running a mormon and an atheist (or a catholic who loves an atheist) (so confused)? The same republicans that think the current president is a muslim and should be in africa? Is this legal?
3. Can you be an atheist vice president in america? Aren't presidents (and/or vice) required to say GOD bless America at least 20x a term? What is he going to say during a crisis that will appease the masses and the south?! Do they not say so help me god at the end of the oath? (even if he's not an atheist, I want these answers)

Thanks.


random: i wish write-ins mattered. I think I really would consider voting for colbert at this point....
***
Oh, BBC I bolded you because you said it a lot... subliminal. 
(WHOOPS! Is that a subliminal hint? NO!
Just criminal intent, to sodomize women again,
Eminem offend? NO!) Excuse my brain.

wrong. the US Marines is now 35% Mexican, the largest number of all ethnicities of the Corps. So, yes, it does have to do with the military.

1. Ryan is 42.
2. Ryan is a Catholic (I guess), but until recently was more known as an Ayn Rand disciple. The most famous story is that he would require staff members to read Atlas Shrugged. Recently those he's tried to distant himself was Rand. Not because he realized Objectivism is merely the philosophy of being a selfish pr***, but because of Rand's atheism.
3. No clue, and since there's no way an out atheist could get elected in this country (according to polls, they're more hated than Muslims or Wiccans), it will remain a mystery. There goes my chance of becoming President or VP.

so u're saying the US Marines are comprised of 35% undocumented Mexicans.  That's complete BS dude....where did ya get those stats?????

I found this which is from a reliable site:

Hispanics (sometimes also referred to as "Latinos"^[4]) in the Marine Corps account for the largest minority group of that military institution. Hispanics comprise 18% of enlisted Marines today


back to the point of the discussion, if they served this country I have no problem with them getting "amnesty" BUT we're talking about a minuscule portion of the illegals in the this country.  So there's no need to go off on these ridiculous tangents.

Mind of Mencia. For some reason, can't find the clip to show you. But I promise it's funny.

Mind of Mencia. For some reason, can't find the clip to show you. But I promise it's funny.

so u're saying the US Marines are comprised of 35% undocumented Mexicans.  That's complete BS dude....where did ya get those stats?????

I found this which is from a reliable site:

Hispanics (sometimes also referred to as "Latinos"^[4]) in the Marine Corps account for the largest minority group of that military institution. Hispanics comprise 18% of enlisted Marines today


back to the point of the discussion, if they served this country I have no problem with them getting "amnesty" BUT we're talking about a minuscule portion of the illegals in the this country.  So there's no need to go off on these ridiculous tangents.

http://www.comedycentral.com/episodes/7ty0nd/mind-of-mencia-you-ve-got-spam---dee-dee-dee-awards-season-1-ep-108 click on this and watch up to the first 5:29 to see what I mean.

Paul Ryan is an embarrassment to all Irish people.

So is Obama

I don't know about that .......they seem to kind of dig him. 

I love Michelle Obama. 

There's no way anyone else in that bar/pub/whatever is wearing anything remotely as nice as a suit.

hi

I am seeing this commercial here lately that says "Obama hasn't done anything for this country."  Well here's an interesting fact, this current Congress has passed the least amount of bills since WWII.  Even the one Truman called the "do nothing Congress" passed more laws than this current one.  Why is that?  Gee, could it be because both parties automatically shoot down the other party's ideas because of party lines?  It sure seems that way.  Oh, and saying the healthcare law is so bad, STFU!  Prison inmates come to the hospital and get medical treatment (I've transported convicts before), so why the hell is it such a bad idea to make sure the rest of America gets the care they need?  The poor that can't afford medical insurance get thrown to the curb, but we pay for the convicts to get the proper medical treatment?!  Something is drastically wrong with that picture!  Take the HMOs and the "pre-existing conditions" and shove them where the sun don't shine!  I'm sick and tired of all the Republicans bashing Obama for a failure when they are responsible for the mess because have blocked every single thing he's tried to do simply because he's a Democrat.  I've never seen our 2 political parties this divided, and it's disgusting.

So is Obama

I've only seen about 2 commercials for Obama.  One per hour.  The rest are Superpac ads bashing him.  I hate living in a swing state.  

You've reminded me of what I wanted to ask the rest of you. What is the ad situation been in your states, particularly if you're in a swing state? I've seen a decent amount of Obama ads (DC market gets it due to Virginia), especially when the America the Beautiful ad was running. It hasn't been anything close though to the onslaught of ads from the Romney campaign, the RNC, and the various SuperPACS (usually Rove's or the Koch brothers).

You've reminded me of what I wanted to ask the rest of you. What is the ad situation been in your states, particularly if you're in a swing state? I've seen a decent amount of Obama ads (DC market gets it due to Virginia), especially when the America the Beautiful ad was running. It hasn't been anything close though to the onslaught of ads from the Romney campaign, the RNC, and the various SuperPACS (usually Rove's or the Koch brothers).

You've reminded me of what I wanted to ask the rest of you. What is the ad situation been in your states, particularly if you're in a swing state? I've seen a decent amount of Obama ads (DC market gets it due to Virginia), especially when the America the Beautiful ad was running. It hasn't been anything close though to the onslaught of ads from the Romney campaign, the RNC, and the various SuperPACS (usually Rove's or the Koch brothers).

You've reminded me of what I wanted to ask the rest of you. What is the ad situation been in your states, particularly if you're in a swing state? I've seen a decent amount of Obama ads (DC market gets it due to Virginia), especially when the America the Beautiful ad was running. It hasn't been anything close though to the onslaught of ads from the Romney campaign, the RNC, and the various SuperPACS (usually Rove's or the Koch brothers).

I've only seen the Obama ads on tv. Nothing for the republicans, yet.

That is because you are a woman and republicans don't care what you think.

I thought it was because I'm in Texas.

That probably has a little to do with it, since Texas is notoriously a republican state. But I think it is more because you are a woman. Are you a minority AND/or a homosexual too?

i thought being a Woman was being a Minority... I'll have to check and get back to you.

I don't want this to just be a bitch about crazy things right wingers say thread, but Rep. Todd Akin (and Senate candidate in Missouri) took it to a whole new reprehensible level today.

You've reminded me of what I wanted to ask the rest of you. What is the ad situation been in your states, particularly if you're in a swing state? I've seen a decent amount of Obama ads (DC market gets it due to Virginia), especially when the America the Beautiful ad was running. It hasn't been anything close though to the onslaught of ads from the Romney campaign, the RNC, and the various SuperPACS (usually Rove's or the Koch brothers).

I like how whenever a conservative says something that even further reinforces the horrible rape culture we have in the country where we pretend rape victims are asking for it, its a "distraction" or all politicians say something stupid.  Ask the rape victims that are afraid to come forward because the shaming they'll recieve if its a distraction.

Also, holy motherf*** most of our politicians could pass a middle school biology class. Not Rep. Akin.

What country do you live in that has such a culture of rape?  What a horrid place.  Here in the United States of America rape is a very serous crime.

What country do you live in that has such a culture of rape?  What a horrid place.  Here in the United States of America rape is a very serous crime.

That was the sarcasm font right?

I'm gonna breathe into a paperbag now. 

I know of multiple people who have been raped and did not feel comfortable enough to go to the authorities.  One of them, who I dated for a while, was never able to fully rationalize (because really who could?) what happened and ended up committing suicide this spring. I wish I was able to live in your world, because its a lot nicer than the reality that faces the rest of the country.

I know of multiple people who have been raped and did not feel comfortable enough to go to the authorities.  One of them, who I dated for a while, was never able to fully rationalize (because really who could?) what happened and ended up committing suicide this spring. I wish I was able to live in your world, because its a lot nicer than the reality that faces the rest of the country.

It's unfortunate that those you know were not comfortable going to authorities.  It truly is.  That does not change the fact that rape in the USA is considered an exceptionally heinous crime.  That is still the reality.   A reality I would think you would share considering the sad fate of one you mentioned.  Not sure why you would disagree and take such a caviler attitude towards such a terrible thing.

Don't want to go down this path any further.  It's the opposite of fun.

Cavalier?   That's a young man with a broken heart.   That's called frustration with a broken system. 

You always try to get the last word and twist and turn the knife on people.  Then run.  

You sir, make me sick.

It's unfortunate that those you know were not comfortable going to authorities.  It truly is.  That does not change the fact that rape in the USA is considered an exceptionally heinous crime.  That is still the reality.   A reality I would think you would share considering the sad fate of one you mentioned.  Not sure why you would disagree and take such a caviler attitude towards such a terrible thing.

Don't want to go down this path any further.  It's the opposite of fun.

It's unfortunate that those you know were not comfortable going to authorities.  It truly is.  That does not change the fact that rape in the USA is considered an exceptionally heinous crime.  That is still the reality.   A reality I would think you would share considering the sad fate of one you mentioned.  Not sure why you would disagree and take such a caviler attitude towards such a terrible thing.

Don't want to go down this path any further.  It's the opposite of fun.

You Sir, live in a rose colored world.  Do you have personal knowledge of someone that has been raped? Rape victims are subjected to so much bullsh!t once the crime is reported and IF it goes to trial, usually the guilty party gets a time served or probation. You know nothing of this heinous crime and live in a world far removed from ours.  We do not live in a Law and Order episode.

You Sir, live in a rose colored world.  Do you have personal knowledge of someone that has been raped? Rape victims are subjected to so much bullsh!t once the crime is reported and IF it goes to trial, usually the guilty party gets a time served or probation. You know nothing of this heinous crime and live in a world far removed from ours.  We do not live in a Law and Order episode.

Are you intentionally not understanding him? He's actually right, and if you aren't able to process what he means, I'd try to help, but if you are simply being difficult because that's what you do, I shan't.

I live in the real world, thank you very much.  A world that the feels that rape is a terrible crime.   To tell you the truth I am floored that there are 3 people here who disagree. That qualifies for a face palm.


Your logic, by the way makes no sense.  It is a non sequitur.  Your conclusion is completely unrelated to your premise.

Done.

Actually, I'm understanding him perfectly.  The arguments I'm getting are making me feel that others are just being ornery about a very serious subject.  Only they know why.  You will have to direct your questions at them.

Edit...  Make that 4 people who are arguing that rape is not considered a terrible crime.  I really hope that number stops rising.

Actually, I'm understanding him perfectly.  The arguments I'm getting are making me feel that others are just being ornery about a very serious subject.  Only they know why.  You will have to direct your questions at them.

Edit...  Make that 4 people who are arguing that rape is not considered a terrible crime.  I really hope that number stops rising.

It's funny how the "everybody does it" defense pops up whenever a person can't find a valid defense of the mess they are supporting. It's like watching children. Sometimes, the people you support f*** up, don't justify it with that dismissive mess. If it was reversed, you'd be on the attack. Just admit they were wrong, and move on. It happens to everyone. You can disagree with someone and still support them in general.... UNLESS the reason you don't acknowledge the faux pas is because you agree with it... then ignore all of this.

We all agree rape is horrible. Those of us that have dealt with it firsthand, know it is not easily punishable. It's your attitude that if someone gets raped, they can go to the police, the police catch the rapist, and he goes to jail. That doesn't happen, thats what we are saying to you, but as usual you are being you. 

When are you going to stop strawmanning us? Pretty pathetic to do that over rape, especially to someone who openeded up boldly with her personal experiences of it.

No one said that, but okay.

You need to reevaluate.  I'm not the one using the "straw man" argument here.

To recap...  All I did was claim that in the USA rape is considered a terrible act.  Period.  And I got blasted for that.  No biggie.  I should expect it.  I just didn't expect it for THAT.

I'm paraphrasing.  That's not how it started but it's what it de-volved into.

But feel free to pick your nits to your heart's content.

And when did I, or anyone else in this thread, say it wasn't? You got blasted because you don't have any understanding of the enormous difficulty rape victims face when they hope to seek justice.  Also, because you vaguely defended Akin's comments as just being another instance of politicians saying stupid things when it has a real life effect that he's even attempted to legislate. But go on, pretend you got ganged up on for saying that rape is bad.

You claimed that this country does not see rape as a serious crime in post #80.  All I did was disagree by saying that it is very much seen as an incredibly serious crime.  This is quite obvious and there really shouldn't be any need to restate it.  By saying that it is reasonable to infer that I very much do understand physical and emotional toll that goes with the victims even though I never actually directly addressed that aspect.  Others made that bogus connection.  Those who went there did so with ZERO provocation from anything I wrote.  To say I even "vaguely" defended such monumentally stupid comments is a HUGE leap.  How is it even slightly condoning what he said by adding that all politicians blurt out really stupid things?  It's not even close.  Only if one is going out of one's way to be difficult would one even go that route.

Not that those facts will change what you are thinking, however....    I'm sure you will just disregard everything that disputes your take on the matter.  I'd love to be proved wrong on that one....

Post #75 you said "Politicians say a lot of stupid things" when the thread turned to Akin. Maybe that was poor timing on your part, but it HEAVILY insinuates you thought Akin's comments were just stupid.

And where in post #80 do I say its not serious. For goodness sake, I lost an ex to rape and my best friend has been raped. While my best friend has been amazingly strong and has done so well for herself, I still see moments where she's clearly being traumatized by her past. WHY WOULDN'T I THINK IT'S SERIOUS?

I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, because I think it raises the level of debate.  However, you've proven you don't deserve that.  I don't know why you've taken the position you have in this thread, but regardless, it is wrong and offensive.  I hope you wake up and realize we have an awful culture of rape in this country where we often blame the victim (usually, a woman) and let the felon off.  This has had extensive and painful consequences.  I pray you never personally feel them.

Again, you still haven't proven I said rape wasn't serious. We do have a rape culture. 1 in 4 women on a college campus will be raped. That's a culture. When you have to worry that sending your daughter to an institution of higher learning will put her at a great risk of rape? That's a culture. Don't tell me that doesn't think I take rape serious.  I just repeated reality towards you, and you decided you disagreed with it.

And trust me, I've given you a sh*t ton of the benefit of the doubt.

I pointed out what caused the disagreement to begin with.   You haven't pointed out where I belittled victims of rape.  What you described is hardly a "culture". 

You haven't given me any benefit of doubt whatsoever.  If you had, you would have been open to the explanations given.  You haven't been.  You have been arrogant and defensive and have even made crap up.  And believe you me...  If anyone has been giving the benefit of the doubt it has been me to you.  I do that as a courtesy to all I converse with.  Even those who haven't earned it.

I literally cannot handle your stupidity to the point where I have read your sh*t and slapped myself at how amazingly f***ing stupid it is. And no, I did not make that up, though I wish I did.

And yes, I will be condescending as hell in this post because sometimes people are so f***ing stupid, they f***ing earned it. So congrats, you're really f***ing stupid. You ignorant peice of s***, ass****.

You've never shown any understanding of the difficulty rape victims have faced. You belittled it as a gaffe in post #75, post #77 where you pretend its really f***ing easy to just go report it and it will all be solved, post #84 where you claim a rape victim is cavalier about rape, post #87 where you belittle me, while I haven't been raped have seen and felt the extraordinary consequences of rape, in post #89 where you call a rape victim's point of view "warped", in post #96 where you call a rape victim "ornery", and in post #110 you reinforced the idea that Akin's comments were just a gaffe.


You also deny the absolute culture I proved in my post #86, which shows why victims of rape are terrified to come forward. Again, go read it. Its fascinating in the most awful way possible.

You could go on and on and on and on, and you're right, it woudn't change my opinion. That's because you're a f***ing ignorant peice of s***. You can go f*** off for all I care.

I know your response will be to my vulgarness, and you'll feel like you won, and that's fine.  But the fact of the matter is you are a rape apologist.  And that offends every fiber of my being. 

Politicians may say a lot of dumb things, but not nearly as much as YOU.

And it finally happened   A response full of hatred and emotion because you have been proven wrong, refuse to admit it due to some misplaced pride or whatever pathetic reason you have and because you have nowhere else to turn.

Repeating the same bogus garbage doesn't change anything.  You know you made that crap up.  You know I never said it.  I never brought up the difficulty rape victims endure.  You did.  I never even broached the subject.  I never called what was said a "gaffe".  I said it was "stupid."   It's right there in post #75.  I didn't even write post #77.  And I never claimed it was easy to report and I never claimed life was like a TV show where all crimes get solved.  Again, I never went there.  Ever.  You and others did.   I never claimed rape victims are cavalier about the crime.  You just made that crap up.  In post 87 I didn't belittle you at all.  I sympathized with your past association with the crime and was confused by what appeared to be a cavalier attitude towards it.  Instead of explaining yourself you just went on and make more weak comments and patted yourself on the back about what a great person you were for doing so.  In post 89 I never said rape victims point of view as warped.  I said your view of acceptance of rape as being a cultural thing was warped!  In post 96 I didn't call rape victims ornery.  I suggested that those who were arguing the idea that rape is not a serious crime are probably doing so because they are just being ornery.  And in post 110 I reinforced that the original comment was stupid.  You pulled the word "gaffe" out from God knows where.  I never used it.

But the fact of the matter is you are a rape apologist.

This is so monumentally stupid...  Rape apologist?  There's a new one.   I'm kicking myself for this but I have to ask...  How does thinking rape is an awful awful crime make me a rape apologist?  That's the only fact I really presented here.  I can't wait to hear that answer...

I know your post was fueled by bitterness and hate.  I understand.  I forgive you.  Why not relax a bit...  Chill out some...  Calm down....  And when you are at peace and can think clearly go over what was really said and then respond.  I'll wait.

Hey, looks it's me "the rape victim".  Post #85 
You responded to my post#88
with.......".You see things in your own warped way".#89


Go Fu** Yourself.

If you opted to actually read and comprehend what was written you would realize I said that because you said someone who thinks rape is a horrid crime "makes you sick".  My opinion but that's pretty warped.

This cliche certainly applies here...    Haters gotta hate.

Have a good night.

Ahh, yes. those lady folk just can't read. They should go back to the kitchen and make a f***ing good sandwich already.

That's too bad.  But I guess the good news is those "awful" people have yet to write any more hate driven or profanity laden  posts.

D*mn...there goes all my material.

Why don't you play the role of the misunderstood, ganged up on victim? Wait that role is already taken.

I dunno.  I'm relatively certain that I'm not easily misunderstood.

Ahh, yes. those lady folk just can't read. They should go back to the kitchen and make a f***ing good sandwich already.

Well let's be honest, neither are they, but they love to pretend they are.

To be completely honest they actually are misunderstood or some others are just closed minded easily angered individuals.  Let's face it.  This is the internet.  The latter is much more likely than the former. 

I don't want this to just be a bitch about crazy things right wingers say thread, but Rep. Todd Akin (and Senate candidate in Missouri) took it to a whole new reprehensible level today.

I'm always in a swing state!

What if I'm close minded, but not easily angered?  Or perhaps, easily angered, but not close minded?  Ah f**k...I just do what the voices tell me to do anyhow.

The voices in my head are telling me you're nucking futz!

Well, things have calmed down finally, so it's time to pour more gasoline on the fire (hey, it's my thread, I can do what I want )

So let's turn the rant sign on. Today's topic: the "both sides do it" meme. This meme theorizes that Republicans and Democrats are just as bad in terms of rhetoric, dirty tricks, and ineffectiveness. There are two groups of people that most push this. They are:

1.) The Mainstream Media, in their efforts to achieve "balance," because if they don't the right wing will get mad at them (apparently they don't realize the right wing will always, always hate them regardless)
2.) So-called independents (but in reality probably vote straight ticket) who say that to make them feel superior to those who participate in politics

Let's take our most recent example, shown right here in this thread. We'll start with the Joe Biden "chains" comment. Biden was referring to Romney's plan to further deregulate Wall Street, which as we saw in 2008, doesn't end well for regular people. Was it a dumb comment? Yes. Did he stick his foot in his mouth (again)? Unquestionably. To a point, the flack was deserved (and don't say there wasn't any, it was a big story until Akin sucked up all the oxygen) In the end though, the meaning can be fairly easily derived, and as vice president, Biden has no actual governing power.

An as aside, Romney's attacks on the Obama campaign being beyond the pale were ridiculous given he's released a few ads now blatantly lying about welfare.

So, let's move on to the Akin flap. Obviously, his comments were also dumb, especially with its ignorance of how the female reproductive system works. The difference is this wasn't a clumsy misspeak, this is what Akin actually thinks. It's also what most of the men in the Republican party think. At the beginning of this Congress, they voted on HR 3: the No Taxpayer Funding For Abortion. Almost every GOP congressman co-sponsored it, and all of them voted for it on the floor of the House. There is no exception for rape or incest in that bill. The original bill mentions the term "forcible rape" as the only exception, whatever "forcible rape" is. That, or "legitimate rape," is the "she was asking for it" defense said another way.

The reason for this designation is that most of the GOP wants all abortion illegal, no exceptions. However, most people believe in rape and incest exceptions. Akin and company though choose to believe in junk science that says a woman can't get pregnant from rape. After all, if that's the case, then there's no need for an abortion exception. The Republicans can try to paint Akin as a lone nut, but his views on this topic are the same as the majority of his fellow party members. No rape or incest exceptions for abortions is part of the Republican platform just approved for the convention, just as they have in some form since 1976.

The overall point here is Biden's comment was dumb but has no effect on policy. Akin's comment was from a member of Congress and a Senate candidate. Akin has power, and he's used it, along with his Republican colleagues, to attempt to put these extreme views into law.

It's like that with the rhetoric out there. Politics is always nasty of course, but where's the liberal equvialent to Sarah Palin? To Rush Limbaugh? To Rick Perry? To Michele Bachmann? To this guy? The answer to all of those is no, and if they exist, they'll influence is nowhere near the influence of most of these people in the conservative movement.

Both sides don't do it, and to the extent that they do, it's obvious which side does it worse.

note to self: read this demain.

Demain? I'm assuming that's slang I don't know of, since the dictionary definition of the word didn't fit (especially since it's an obsolete UK word).

high school french... don't even know if it's correct. in my mind, it means tomorrow.

Ah. My three years of high school French have failed me miserably.

The line in there about unions made me think a bit.  How much better would our current veterans be treated post-service if they were unionized?  I realize that's besides the point of the article, which was good, but its something worth considering.

The problem is while unions exist for federal employees (but not DoD though), they only have so much power, since Congress and the President set pay and benefits. They primarily exist as lobbying organizations and presumably to represent employees in grievances. Of course, veterans could use a union more than any other federal employee.

I'd think they'd have many grievances, especially in the medical field.  My issue towards veterans isn't so much pay, but rather how we treat them once they return.  I suppose some of that falls into benefits, but these men and women get consistently get screwed over once they return.  A union could give them a strong voice towards earning the rights they deserve.

(Also, I don't think we disagree on this, but wanted to put it out there.)

high school french... don't even know if it's correct. in my mind, it means tomorrow.

No, I see your point, and that's what I was trying to get out. Veterans post-deployment is a special case that goes beyond normal retirement benefits. The overall logistical problem remains though that you can't really negotiate with Congress like you do with private employers.

Oui mademoiselle, you're correct.

I have nothing to add to this thread...but I will say ML31 was thoroughly owned.  He looked like the stuntman for the San Jose Sharks circa 2010 against my Blackhawks. 

And LOL @ "caviler" attitude. 

You never miss a chance to make your baiting comments.  At least you are consistent. 

LOL @ you.

What's 2 + 2?

Jello!

Just another male in a position of power further the "She was probably asking for it anyway" culture of rape we have in this country.

Just another male in a position of power further the "She was probably asking for it anyway" culture of rape we have in this country.

Yeah.  All men are just violent sexist pigs.  Keep telling it like it is, bro!

Couldn't even make your first counter point without lying and going all straw man. So. Damn. Predictable.

Couldn't even make your first counter point without lying and going all straw man. So. Damn. Predictable.

WTMF did i juuuust say?!

That's right.  You get to lie and use the straw man all you wish.   God forbid someone does it back at you.  Even when it is done intentionally.

Talk about predictable...   I knew the true point of the post would be missed.  

There are varying degrees of pigdom.

Nothing wrong with pointing out what three idiots have said.  Concluding that what three idiots said is proof that an entire country feels that way is something else completely. 


Edit:   Apologies, ohwell_.  This wasn't a response to what you said.  I erred.  It's a response to post 165.

I proved with my experiences, Laurel did with hers, and post #86 proved that what these men think has had real life consequences. I never once said everyone thinks it.  I only said it has real life consequences. You still are using straw man techniques.

You said it was the "culture" of this country.  Which means you feel such thinking is the generally accepted attitude nationwide.  And as evidence of that is your personal perceptions, what someone else said is personal perceptions and comments from three people I think we both agree are idiots when it comes to this subject.  Your line of reasoning is flawed because you are using a biased sample when drawing your conclusion.   It's also flawed in that your sample size is nowhere near large enough to conclude it applies to a society of more than 300 million people.

You keep running back to your straw man and it is convincing me you have no idea what the straw man fallacy is.  It's something I have yet to display.  However, you and others have done so in this thread.  Let me enlighten you.  The straw man argument is when someone ignores the person's actual position and substitutes it with a misrepresentation of that position.  In this case, you misrepresented my original position into something I was never discussing to begin with.  Now that I think about it, it wasn't even a misrepresentation.  It was a blatant misdirect.  Things went downhill from there but make no mistake...  It began with you using the straw man fallacy.

Well, let me enlighten you, Mr. EnlightenMcErLightenson.

Culture is the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group, accourding to Dictionary.com

Behaviors is the most relevent part of that definition.  The behavior of our rape culture, is that women are terrified to come to authorities about their experience. That, is a culture. Defend it all you want, its a culture.

As for Straw Men.. you've straw man'd the hell out of a rape victim multiple times, claiming her view was warped, claimed she was ornery, and cavalier. Never did you attempt to actually intellectually debate her ideas, but rather you belittled her and went after straw men.

You have no intellectual standing. Never have, and it appears on this issue, never will.