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Calling all Libtards - Convention Junction, What's Your Function
Hello, Lib-tards. The last thread went off the rails, so we'll try again. The conventions are the story right now. I'd be lying if I said I cared that much about either of them. At this point. the only speeches I will definitely watch are Romney's and Obama's. But, others might feel differently, so we are.

Please remember that all opinions are welcome, but this poll is geared towards the liberals here. So it can and often gets heated, so if you can't take the heat stay out of the poll. And let's all remember the CoC. Basically, don't be like our politicians, but disagree without being disagreeable.

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#20 | 755 days ago

anthonyrichardlouisnaught wrote:
Still wishing that Isaac would have stalled in the Gulf, grown more powerful than Andrew, then slammed into the Tampa/St. Pete forum with all the idiot republicans, tea partiers, FOX quasi-news people, and all the super rich SOB's (that don't give a damn about any of us so long as they keep getting our nation's leaders to sell off the american dream to them), killing them all in grandiose fashion not unlike the movie theatre ending for Hitler in Tarentino's INGLORIOUS BASTARDS.

And the only place that got destroyed would be the Forum.
1. wow. you actually said this...again

2. i am assuming this is not a joke due the the amount of un-funny it contains, so i ask, supposing your little fantasy came true, would you really wanna see who republicans come up with for their next string candidate?

3. wow. you actually said this...again
  
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#2 | 756 days ago

I'll start off with some things to read. Above all else, if you haven't read Ta-Nehisi Coates' essay on President Obama and race, block off 20 minutes or so and do it ASAP.

Remember that photo-op Romney did with some coal miners? They looked pretty unhappy, and maybe the fact the photo-op was mandatory and unpaid had something to do with it.

Admittedly I do not know the context, and thus don't know why the delegates at the convention were specifically shouting down a lady from Puerto Rico, or even if it had anything to do with her and where she's from, but the optics of it don't look great.

On 538, Nate Silver has begun daily updates of the polls and how they affect his projections. If there's anyone worth reading about the polling, it's him.

I'll be taking a look at the Senate races hopefully tomorrow when I have the time.

I have one more link, but that needs a separate post.
#3 | 756 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I'll start off with some things to read. Above all else, if you haven't read Ta-Nehisi Coates' essay on President Obama and race, block off 20 minutes or so and do it ASAP.

Remember that photo-op Romney did with some coal miners? They looked pretty unhappy, and maybe the fact the photo-op was mandatory and unpaid had something to do with it.

Admittedly I do not know the context, and thus don't know why the delegates at the convention were specifically shouting down a lady from Puerto Rico, or even if it had anything to do with her and where she's from, but the optics of it don't look great.

On 538, Nate Silver has begun daily updates of the polls and how they affect his projections. If there's anyone worth reading about the polling, it's him.

I'll be taking a look at the Senate races hopefully tomorrow when I have the time.

I have one more link, but that needs a separate post.
Supposedly, Ron Paul delegates were protesting and other delegates chanted "USA" to drown them out.  This is plausible, but still, horrible awareness by delegates, and its never good when the party chairman has to come in and calm down the floor.
#4 | 756 days ago

anthonyrichardlouisnaught wrote:
Still wishing that Isaac would have stalled in the Gulf, grown more powerful than Andrew, then slammed into the Tampa/St. Pete forum with all the idiot republicans, tea partiers, FOX quasi-news people, and all the super rich SOB's (that don't give a damn about any of us so long as they keep getting our nation's leaders to sell off the american dream to them), killing them all in grandiose fashion not unlike the movie theatre ending for Hitler in Tarentino's INGLORIOUS BASTARDS.

And the only place that got destroyed would be the Forum.
Dude, cool it. No death wishes. Thank you.
#5 | 756 days ago

Chris Christie can move a room full of followers like few others.  I realize that sounds like a backhanded compliment, but its really important.  He's wrong on just about everything, but man, he's a hell of a politician.
#6 | 756 days ago

Through one night, I think the RNC and Romney campaign has put on a good show.  That said, going into the future, I think its problematic that the best thing they produced was a dramatic video with a Romney voice over (to be fair, it was pretty f***ing awesome, despite being way wrong).
#7 | 756 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I'll start off with some things to read. Above all else, if you haven't read Ta-Nehisi Coates' essay on President Obama and race, block off 20 minutes or so and do it ASAP.

Remember that photo-op Romney did with some coal miners? They looked pretty unhappy, and maybe the fact the photo-op was mandatory and unpaid had something to do with it.

Admittedly I do not know the context, and thus don't know why the delegates at the convention were specifically shouting down a lady from Puerto Rico, or even if it had anything to do with her and where she's from, but the optics of it don't look great.

On 538, Nate Silver has begun daily updates of the polls and how they affect his projections. If there's anyone worth reading about the polling, it's him.

I'll be taking a look at the Senate races hopefully tomorrow when I have the time.

I have one more link, but that needs a separate post.
Thank you.
#8 | 756 days ago
John_Daly (+)

#9 | 755 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
Chris Christie can move a room full of followers like few others.  I realize that sounds like a backhanded compliment, but its really important.  He's wrong on just about everything, but man, he's a hell of a politician.
He seems to me like Obama was for Dems in '04. He's clearly setting himself up for '16 right? 
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#10 | 755 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
marcus_nyce wrote:
He seems to me like Obama was for Dems in '04. He's clearly setting himself up for '16 right? 
Exactly my thoughts.  Also plays right into reports that he thinks Rommey can't win.
#11 | 755 days ago

Oh good.
#12 | 755 days ago

This post made me think of....

This DJ, he gets down
mixing records while he go round
to the Hip to the Hop you just dont stop
producing funky tracks till it makes you drop
conjunction junction, whats my function
I'm hookin up tracks so that ni**az can function
its not Pete Rock or that ni**a Dr. Dre
its this muthafu**in ni**a from around the way
the one who brings you styles on timesy, whymsy
thats why its so hard to find me
conduction, construction when I bust choo choo, bustas
its a must when I bust when I bust, I gotta come correct
the R to the E to the S-P-ect architect
yup ni**a no I'm not tweakin
its one of the 16 minds that I'm speaking
the W-A the double R the E into the uhh
A-B-C-D-E-F to the muthafu**in G
ooh shit as I flex I wrecks I checks
so whats next
#13 | 755 days ago

jswol54 wrote:
This post made me think of....

This DJ, he gets down
mixing records while he go round
to the Hip to the Hop you just dont stop
producing funky tracks till it makes you drop
conjunction junction, whats my function
I'm hookin up tracks so that ni**az can function
its not Pete Rock or that ni**a Dr. Dre
its this muthafu**in ni**a from around the way
the one who brings you styles on timesy, whymsy
thats why its so hard to find me
conduction, construction when I bust choo choo, bustas
its a must when I bust when I bust, I gotta come correct
the R to the E to the S-P-ect architect
yup ni**a no I'm not tweakin
its one of the 16 minds that I'm speaking
the W-A the double R the E into the uhh
A-B-C-D-E-F to the muthafu**in G
ooh shit as I flex I wrecks I checks
so whats next
OOC
#14 | 755 days ago

I saw Marco Rubio on Jon Stewart last night.

He didn't give much of an endorsement for Romney.  It will be interesting to hear his speech.
#15 | 755 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:
OOC
Notre Dame is not in a conference.  Therefore, we can't play any out of conference games. 
#16 | 755 days ago
unopescatore (+)

Fee-fi-fo-fum
#17 | 755 days ago

jswol54 wrote:
Notre Dame is not in a conference.  Therefore, we can't play any out of conference games. 
Goodbye.
#18 | 755 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:
Goodbye.
#19 | 755 days ago

ohwell_ wrote:
I saw Marco Rubio on Jon Stewart last night.

He didn't give much of an endorsement for Romney.  It will be interesting to hear his speech.
Agreed. 


Change of subject a tad......did you also see the opening for the colbert report? LOVED IT.....and now want an unicorn. 
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#20 | 755 days ago

anthonyrichardlouisnaught wrote:
Still wishing that Isaac would have stalled in the Gulf, grown more powerful than Andrew, then slammed into the Tampa/St. Pete forum with all the idiot republicans, tea partiers, FOX quasi-news people, and all the super rich SOB's (that don't give a damn about any of us so long as they keep getting our nation's leaders to sell off the american dream to them), killing them all in grandiose fashion not unlike the movie theatre ending for Hitler in Tarentino's INGLORIOUS BASTARDS.

And the only place that got destroyed would be the Forum.
1. wow. you actually said this...again

2. i am assuming this is not a joke due the the amount of un-funny it contains, so i ask, supposing your little fantasy came true, would you really wanna see who republicans come up with for their next string candidate?

3. wow. you actually said this...again
#21 | 755 days ago

A.  I really need to catch up on my rap.  Rap for dummys?

B    Hi Leigh   Psst, we try not to feed them.

C.  Missed Colbert, DVR

D.  An unicorn.   It just looks wrong.   Grammar for dummys?
#22 | 755 days ago

(Edited by kteacher)
ohwell_ wrote:
A.  I really need to catch up on my rap.  Rap for dummys?

B    Hi Leigh   Psst, we try not to feed them.

C.  Missed Colbert, DVR

D.  An unicorn.   It just looks wrong.   Grammar for dummys?
D. I KNOW! In same league as an hour. Kills me. I was making a funny. #failed I may try harder.
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#23 | 755 days ago

kteacher wrote:
D. I KNOW! In same league as an hour. Kills me. I was making a funny. #failed I may try harder.
I'm gonna watch Colbert right now. 

Two other things. 

Last night, Rubio talked about job growth,  He was saying "35 jobs here, and 20 jobs there" isn't substantial growth.
Hey buddy, that's small business.  
Three or four governors talked about job growth and lowered unemployment in their
respective states.   Thinking more about their own reelection (another weird spelling) than Romneys campaign.  

And Christie.......sheesh,,
Photo: Pesky facts...                                           pd~
 
It will be Rubio 2016.     This guy ^^^^ , I don't think his heart could take the stress of the job.
#24 | 755 days ago
unopescatore (+)

ohwell_ wrote:
I'm gonna watch Colbert right now. 

Two other things. 

Last night, Rubio talked about job growth,  He was saying "35 jobs here, and 20 jobs there" isn't substantial growth.
Hey buddy, that's small business.  
Three or four governors talked about job growth and lowered unemployment in their
respective states.   Thinking more about their own reelection (another weird spelling) than Romneys campaign.  

And Christie.......sheesh,,
Photo: Pesky facts...                                           pd~
 
It will be Rubio 2016.     This guy ^^^^ , I don't think his heart could take the stress of the job.
Jersey sucked a whole hell of a lot more before Chrisie came around....I'll give him that.
#25 | 755 days ago

The bailouts didn't work argument.  Here are the actual numbers.

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list/simple
#26 | 755 days ago
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#27 | 755 days ago

(Edited by Sharp Square)

From the official platform page :


Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling that can destroy families. We support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet and call for reversal of the Justice Department’s decision distorting the formerly accepted meaning of the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet betting. The Internet must be made safe for children.


Now i know what your saying will this a**munch really not vote for Mitt because of something like his stance on gambling and even worse internet gambling , with all the other problems we have in this country ?


NAH Course Not indecision



I simply can not get into a more educated political exchange with you all cause like many politicians i am not all that smart when comes to real meaningful aspects of politics. But i wanted to post in this poll anyway so i did what i had to do and said what i had to say  ! smiley
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#28 | 755 days ago

marcus_nyce wrote:
He seems to me like Obama was for Dems in '04. He's clearly setting himself up for '16 right? 
Almost everyone who spoke yesterday was setting themselves up for 2016: Christie, Santorum, McDonnell, Walker, Haley, maybe even Kasich. With today all about Ryan, and tomorrow all about Romney, yesterday was the day for the ambitious in the party.
#29 | 755 days ago
John_Daly (+)



Smells like someone just farted.....







#30 | 755 days ago

If you haven't read this from Jon Chait, do so. The jist is the GOP knows the demographic winds are shifting away from them, and that this may very well be their last chance to remake the country they way they want. That of course means "blowing up the welfare state and affecting the largest upward redistribution of wealth in American history." To do this, it has been calculated that Romney needs to win 61% of the white vote. This is why they are campaigning they way they are. This is why there are such blatantly false ads on welfare in an attempt to ramp up racial animus. This is why the Romney campaign is just ignoring facts, even when they are called out on their lies. That's why they campaign to seniors the way they do, banking that most of them are selfish. They know it's their last big chance as a party as it stands now, and they're playing like it.

Will it work? Maybe I'm being a cynic and/or a concern troll here, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it will.
#31 | 755 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Eric_ wrote:
If you haven't read this from Jon Chait, do so. The jist is the GOP knows the demographic winds are shifting away from them, and that this may very well be their last chance to remake the country they way they want. That of course means "blowing up the welfare state and affecting the largest upward redistribution of wealth in American history." To do this, it has been calculated that Romney needs to win 61% of the white vote. This is why they are campaigning they way they are. This is why there are such blatantly false ads on welfare in an attempt to ramp up racial animus. This is why the Romney campaign is just ignoring facts, even when they are called out on their lies. That's why they campaign to seniors the way they do, banking that most of them are selfish. They know it's their last big chance as a party as it stands now, and they're playing like it.

Will it work? Maybe I'm being a cynic and/or a concern troll here, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it will.
McCain, I believe, got about 55% of the white vote in a left leaning, less racist election. So, it could be attainable.  I think though, we still need to remember the state by state issues.  In Ohio, Mitt Romney opposed both unions and the auto industry.  That will probably be tough to overcome.  In most of the Midwest, Romney has to face a drought that the House GOP has refused to offer relief to. Relief that President Obama is offering and running on (at least in Iowa, I can attest to this).  In Florida, Romney has to own Paul Ryan's plan (and his) that would open up again the doughnut hole of Medicare Part D and would forever end Medicare as we know it.  If Mitt Romney loses any of these states, mostly Ohio and Florida, its done.  Heck, if Romney loses Virginia, its probably done, and he's still losing there.


As a side note, this could be the election that makes conservatives support a popular vote.
#32 | 755 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Can't deny that Paul Ryan's speech got the floor moving. They clearly love him. 

However, I don't know if it that's a good thing.

Paul Ryan's plan would re-open the doughnut hole on current seniors and on those 55 and younger would raise healthcare costs when we reach retirement by about $6,000.  We can't afford that.  It'd be an economic disaster. That's Paul Ryan. That's what he presented tonight.

I'm incredibly biased when it comes to Paul Ryan.  I'm embarrassed by him.  I won't grade him.  He caused excitement.  Horrible, deluded, excitement, but exctiment none the less.
#33 | 754 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
Can't deny that Paul Ryan's speech got the floor moving. They clearly love him. 

However, I don't know if it that's a good thing.

Paul Ryan's plan would re-open the doughnut hole on current seniors and on those 55 and younger would raise healthcare costs when we reach retirement by about $6,000.  We can't afford that.  It'd be an economic disaster. That's Paul Ryan. That's what he presented tonight.

I'm incredibly biased when it comes to Paul Ryan.  I'm embarrassed by him.  I won't grade him.  He caused excitement.  Horrible, deluded, excitement, but exctiment none the less.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/    surprise

#34 | 754 days ago

ohwell_ wrote: surprise
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#35 | 754 days ago

ohwell_ wrote: Wait...that article is on foxnews.com? 
#36 | 754 days ago

So I didn't see the Ryan speech, but in watching highlights on CNN, I saw him say, that if you(Americans is my guess) feel you have failed, you have not, your leaders have failed you. These may not be his exact words but it was along those lines. My immediate thought was, "SENATOR Ryan, aren't you one of America's leaders? So you have failed me as a Senator and want me to let you fail me as a Vice President?" 

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#37 | 754 days ago

ms_hippie_queen wrote:
1. wow. you actually said this...again

2. i am assuming this is not a joke due the the amount of un-funny it contains, so i ask, supposing your little fantasy came true, would you really wanna see who republicans come up with for their next string candidate?

3. wow. you actually said this...again
yes, I did. and until they come up with a candidate who is all about the people of this country instead of the lobbyists and corporate payoffs, I will continue to think, feel and say things like this. And don't tell me that there aren't any Republicans who think that what is going on is wrong, because there are. They are just afraid of being labeled traitors by the TeaTards for not being NeoUltraConservative.

By the way, the last Republican who cared deeply for the people with the cojones to say so was President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Look it up.
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#38 | 754 days ago

Clint Eastwood is either senile or conducting some sort of performance art.
#39 | 754 days ago

That Eastwood moment came right after the best produced political video I may have ever seen too. Campaign hit a high note and then washed it all away.
#40 | 754 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
That Eastwood moment came right after the best produced political video I may have ever seen too. Campaign hit a high note and then washed it all away.
Keep in mind the video (which I didn't see, I'll take your word for it) wasn't on network coverage, but Eastwood was. That's all anyone's going to be talking about now.
#41 | 754 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Eric_ wrote:
Keep in mind the video (which I didn't see, I'll take your word for it) wasn't on network coverage, but Eastwood was. That's all anyone's going to be talking about now.
Knew that video was on border of network coverage, but wasn't sure if it missed. That's amazing mismanagement on the Romney campain's part. As, I believe it was Marc Ambinder tweeted, have Rubio introduce, do that video, and have Romney speak and you have a winning night. Now the story is Eastwood. Romney will be the secondary story in all likelyhood. Just stunned.
#42 | 754 days ago

Turned on the TV for the Giants game earlier and the last channel was a major network.  Saw Clint Eastwood speaking.  I thought, "I guess he figures he's got enough Oscars".  Then moved on to the Giants.

BTW...  I imagine there were others who might have seen Samantha Bee's segment on the Daily Show last night.  It was pretty darn good.  
#43 | 754 days ago

According to Buzzfeed, more people are talking about Clint Eastwood than anything else in this convention by a lot.
#44 | 754 days ago

The buzz after..

Night one -Christie was a disappointment (disagree, but whatever)

Night two - Ryan lied.

Night three - likely Eastwood.

If it weren't for Eastwood, I'd say this was successful, but just wow wow wow wow.
#45 | 753 days ago

(Edited by ohwell_)
The anyone but Romney campaign by the RNC for the last year, was highlighted last night by Eastwood.
I think it was a highly calculated gaff.  Every turn of this campaign, seems to me like an inside job to Not
elect Romney.  


Case in point--Photo: Probably not the best placement.
#46 | 753 days ago

Thought I'd share this with you guys so you dont miss any the RNCsmiley
#47 | 753 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

(Edited by cubsgirl2)
Hello all my lib tard friends. smiley

  I didn't see anything in this convention that made me ever doubt my loyalty to my party.  I do not see how a whole group of people can spew lies and believe everything they are saying. And the Clint Eastwood experimental theatre to me was just sad. 

  I have never been so afraid for women, gays and lesbians, the poor, the immigrants, the uninsured, and pretty much anyone else that isn't a white upper class, using the bible to push an agenda person before in as long as I can remember.  I cannot believe that there are so many ready tpo take so many steps backwards as this party seems to be. 

  I also find it interesting that their God George W. was no where to be seen or heard. Of course baby brother was there to whine. 

In short all I can say is, bring on our convention. Get loud, stand up, and let's make sure we can do whatever we can to stop this ticket. smiley
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#48 | 753 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
I have some time today, so I want to take a look at the Senate races. Next week I'll look at the presidential race by state. The Senate is important because I'm guessing next Congress the filibuster either dies or is severely weakened. If the Democrats hold, Harry Reid has indicating he's tired of Republican obstruction is and ready to do something about it. If the Republicans take control, well, do you really think they're not bold enough to get rid of it?

I'll start with the Democratic held seats.

SAFE DEM

California (Feinstein)

Delaware (Carper)

Maryland (Cardin)

New York (Gillibrand)

Rhode Island (Whitehouse)

Vermont (Sanders)

LIKELY DEM

Hawaii (OPEN-Akaka)- The "right" Dem won the nomination, Rep. Maizie Hirono. Former governor Linda Lingle is the GOP nomination. Obama's coattails probably make it a forgone conclusion, but for now I'll stick with this conservative rating.

Minnesota (Klobuchar)

New Jersey (Menendez)

Pennsylvania (Casey)- Despite PA being an alleged swing state, the Republicans didn't nominate a strong candidate against Bob Casey, one who recently got into similar Akin-like hot water.

Washington (Cantwell)

West Virginia (Manchin)

LEAN DEM

Connecticut (OPEN-Lieberman)- In 2010, Linda McMahon spent a lot of money but still didn't come close to winning in a Republican year. In theory, she shouldn't be any closer this time around against Rep. Chris Murphy. However, the polls right now have been close. McMahon might have gotten a nomination bounce, so I'm not quite ready to call this a Toss-Up, but keep an eye on this race. It's not one the Dems can afford to have to spend money on.

Florida (Nelson)- You would this is a certain toss-up, but Nelson is up 8 on Rep. Connie Mack, and that number has climbed since July. It could go back to toss-up, but right now this is the reality.

New Mexico (OPEN-Bingaman)- This race will pit Rep. Martin Heinrich for the Dems vs. former Rep. Heather Wilson for the GOP. Early polls have Heinrich up around 7.

TOSS-UP

Michigan (Stabenow)- Polls have tightened recently, although Stabenow has lead throughout so far against Rep. Pete Hoekstra, albeit with a pollster which some other dubious findings. This is not looking like a top target for the Republicans.

Missouri (McCaskill)- Oops.

Montana (Tester)- Red State + first-term incumbent + state-wide Congressman for an opponent = tough hold

Ohio (Brown)- The race has looked liked Florida so far, but I have issues with trusting Ohio.

Virginia (OPEN-Webb)- Barring something unforeseen, this race between Kaine and Allen will be within the margin of error the whole time. From the DC market though, I've noticed that Kaine hasn't been working the air waves yet. Conversely, there's been a lot of Super PAC ads against Kaine.

Wisconsin (OPEN-Kohl)- This might be a generous placement. It's looking like an uphill battle for Tammy Baldwin.

LEAN TAKEOVER

North Dakota (OPEN-Conrad)- The favorite is Rep. Rick Berg, a Tea Party state-wide Congressman first elected in 2010. That said, Heidi Heitkamp is still in the ballpark. She's an underdog, but a live dog still.

LIKELY TAKEOVER

Nebraska (OPEN-Nelson)- Remember when people thought the Dems nominating Bob Kerrey might allow them to hold this seat? Yeah, it's not happening.
#49 | 753 days ago

Now for the Republican held seats.

SAFE GOP

Mississippi (Wicker)

Tennessee (Corker)- Dems paid so little attention here that a conservative with ties to hate groups won the primary. Way to go Democratic Party!

Texas (OPEN-Hutchinson)- A man named Ted Cruz won the Republican primary, a man who can best be described as the Hispanic Dale Gribble.

Utah (Hatch)

Wyoming (Barrasso)

LIKELY GOP

None

LEAN GOP

Arizona (OPEN-Kyl)- The very early polls between GOP Rep. Jeff Flake and former Surgeon General Richard Carmona show a very close race. The problem is the race hasn't been polled for a month. I'm still skeptical that Flake is anything but a solid favorite, but we need more recent polling to know for sure.

Indiana (OPEN-Lugar)- Lugar would've had no problem winning the general election, but lo and behold, he lost the primary to Tea Partier Richard Murdock. Early polling has Murdock neck and neck with Rep. Joe Donnelly. I would still make Murdock the favorite, but as we saw in 2010, hardcore Tea Party people lost winnable Senate races for the Republicans.

Nevada (Heller)- I'm not particularly optimistic in Shelly Berkley as a candidate right now. It'll stay close because of how Nevada is as a state, but I'm not feeling right now. There's time for that to change.

TOSS-UP

Massachusetts (Brown)- Charlie Pierce wrote last week on why Brown continues to lead Warren despite the ideological lean of the state: Brown is apparently a legitimately a really nice guy, and Warren not surprisingly sounds like a college professor. Warren does have a prime speaking slot at the DNC that could help her. In the end this is still the major Democratic flip target.

LIKELY INDEPENDENT

Maine (OPEN-Snowe)- Former independent governor Angus King jumped into the race after Snowe announced her retirement, and immediately took a big lead in the polls. He still hasn't said which party he will caucus with, but given how politicians are opportunistic, I'm guessing he'll caucus with whichever party wins the majority.
#50 | 753 days ago

I also am worried about Tammy Baldwin here in Wisconsin.  Would LOVE to be part of the movement that sent our first openly gay senator to D.C. but its an uphill battle right now.  Dems here are attempting to sell Thompson as not being the Thompson you used to.. love, and doing a much better job of it than Romney is doing of selling that with Obama.  It helps that there is a lot of truth to the idea that Thompson is vastly different than his years as Governor. I just don't know if that's enough.  We're a weird state right now, so its hard to tell.
#51 | 752 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Interesting (but not surprising) media theme coming out of the RNC Convention : Don't you dare point out that Paul Ryan has lied.  First, was this peice in the New York Times comparing MSNBC to Fox while ending the article by chiding MSNBC personalities for calling out Paul Ryan's lies, while admitting that they were indeed lies. Huh? Then over at Buzzfeed, Ben Smith wrote an article complaining about those pointing out that Paul Ryan has lied.  That article has been the talk of the political chattering class all day on Twitter, so it'll definitely resonate.

Some liberal media.  Shouldn't truth matter? Especially in the most dire times our country has faced since the Great Depression?

Edit to add: Worth noting Ben Smith is the same guy who was told by a Romney campaign member that they don't care about facts. Now, he's defending their "honesty" and that they are not liars.
#52 | 751 days ago

Alan batsh*t crazy West and Patrick Murphy is getting a little close.  Murphy is polling slightly ahead.  Yay! 
#53 | 749 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

ohwell_ wrote:
Alan batsh*t crazy West and Patrick Murphy is getting a little close.  Murphy is polling slightly ahead.  Yay! 
Yeah, well guess who's ahead of the polls against McCaskill in Mo. Todd Akin. 
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#54 | 749 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Yeah, well guess who's ahead of the polls against McCaskill in Mo. Todd Akin. 
Wow... That says a great deal about McCaskill.
#55 | 749 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Wow... That says a great deal about McCaskill.
No...it says a great deal about the retards in Missouri. 
#56 | 749 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

ML31 wrote:
Wow... That says a great deal about McCaskill.
No, it says a great deal about the kind of people that I am stuck living around. Trust me he's not ahead in the major cities.  She's actually pretty damn good at her job. 
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#57 | 749 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Jason_ wrote:
No...it says a great deal about the retards in Missouri. 
Yeah.  That's exactly what it is. 
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#58 | 749 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Yeah.  That's exactly what it is. 
I went to Kansas City about 6 years ago with some friends to see a Chiefs/Broncos game.  Across from the hotel was a grassy area...kinda like a mini-park...where they had plaques dedicated to all the retired/dead sports stars from KC.  And around the park...about every 20 or 30 yards...were these places where you could kneel down and pray into these little boxes.  You popped in a quarter and it recorded your prayer and the church affiliated with the box would come by every week and take the money and "the tape".    I prayed for the strip clubs to have hot cheap women. 
#59 | 749 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Jason_ wrote:
I went to Kansas City about 6 years ago with some friends to see a Chiefs/Broncos game.  Across from the hotel was a grassy area...kinda like a mini-park...where they had plaques dedicated to all the retired/dead sports stars from KC.  And around the park...about every 20 or 30 yards...were these places where you could kneel down and pray into these little boxes.  You popped in a quarter and it recorded your prayer and the church affiliated with the box would come by every week and take the money and "the tape".    I prayed for the strip clubs to have hot cheap women. 
And? Come on tell, not so enquiring minds want to know, cause were bored. smiley
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#60 | 749 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
And? Come on tell, not so enquiring minds want to know, cause were bored. smiley
Want to know what?  It was just a story about how f**king crazy people in the midwest are about their f**king religion.  The people who pay to pray in mini phone booths are the same type of people who don't believe in rape babies. 
#61 | 749 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Jason_ wrote:
Want to know what?  It was just a story about how f**king crazy people in the midwest are about their f**king religion.  The people who pay to pray in mini phone booths are the same type of people who don't believe in rape babies. 
Did you get the cheap strippers or not?    indecision



Look, we're not all like that.  The problem is to many of them still are. 
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#62 | 749 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Did you get the cheap strippers or not?    indecision



Look, we're not all like that.  The problem is to many of them still are. 
Cheap...yes.  Hot...no.  Well...let me rephrase that.  I wouldnt kick any of them out of the bed.  They were on par with the strippers around here.  Which in unacceptable for a big city.   The one i ended up dropping the most money on was a chic that looked like an "In Living Color" era Jennifer Lopez.
#63 | 749 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Wow... That says a great deal about McCaskill.
Only partially. Missouri has gotten a lot more conservative the last four years. McCaskill is the epitome of centrist Democrat who often acts like Republican-lite. Thus, until Akin opened his mouth, it looked like Missouri voters would pick the real Republican instead of the one pretending to be. The polls now are basically tied, but before Akin was up 9 or so. I'm guessing it'll be tight until the end.
#64 | 749 days ago

If you're looking for the stupid thing that will dominate the DNC coverage (whether for legitimate reasons or not), we have it. The Democratic platform does not contain the word "God." For some reason, people will think this is a big deal. As Charlie Pierce points out, "God" does not appear in the Constitution either. Anyone want to complain about that?
#65 | 749 days ago

So, thanks to baseball being over (O's tied for first place!) and tennis being rained out, I'm watching the DNC even though I didn't really want to. I enjoyed Julian Castro's speech, and Michelle Obama is well, Michelle Obama. I missed Deval Patrick's speech, which was apparently really good and will fuel 2016 speculation. Missed O'Malley too. Since he's my governor, I'm curious as to how he did, especially after having to follow Patrick.

So yeah, I'm digging it so far, and I'm also hyperpartisan. Seriously people, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, admit your partisanship. Compromise is dead in this country. Stop trying to pretend you're an "independent" when you're not. Put the cards on the table. That's all I ask.
#66 | 748 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Eric_ wrote:
Only partially. Missouri has gotten a lot more conservative the last four years. McCaskill is the epitome of centrist Democrat who often acts like Republican-lite. Thus, until Akin opened his mouth, it looked like Missouri voters would pick the real Republican instead of the one pretending to be. The polls now are basically tied, but before Akin was up 9 or so. I'm guessing it'll be tight until the end.
If it wasn't for Claire Mccaskill the stem cell bill would have never passed in this state. She has stood her ground a lot in this state. 
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#67 | 748 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
So, thanks to baseball being over (O's tied for first place!) and tennis being rained out, I'm watching the DNC even though I didn't really want to. I enjoyed Julian Castro's speech, and Michelle Obama is well, Michelle Obama. I missed Deval Patrick's speech, which was apparently really good and will fuel 2016 speculation. Missed O'Malley too. Since he's my governor, I'm curious as to how he did, especially after having to follow Patrick.

So yeah, I'm digging it so far, and I'm also hyperpartisan. Seriously people, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, admit your partisanship. Compromise is dead in this country. Stop trying to pretend you're an "independent" when you're not. Put the cards on the table. That's all I ask.
Forced to disagree with your assessment that everyone either falls into the "liberal" or "conservative" boat.  Many people aren't as simple as that.  I think the minority are the ones who are in lock step with party platforms.  In fact, I suspect that the majority of hard line party people don't buy into everything their own side sells but rather only buy into more than 50% of it.  There are quite a few centrist thinkers out there...
#68 | 748 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Finally saw Michelle Obama's speech from last night. It was pretty similar to the one I saw her give in Milwaukee a couple of weeks ago. Loved it then, love it now.  Definitinely have a nerd crush on her.
#69 | 748 days ago

Bill Clinton's policies were only average (Obama's are much better) but he is 10x the politician of anyone else in the political world now.
#70 | 748 days ago

Clinton is giving the wonkiest speech you will ever see at a convention. Its sort of weird to see. I love it. Wonder how many people have seen/are still paying attention but this is great stuff.
#71 | 748 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
Clinton is giving the wonkiest speech you will ever see at a convention. Its sort of weird to see. I love it. Wonder how many people have seen/are still paying attention but this is great stuff.
Baby, football is on.
#72 | 748 days ago

Through two nights, Dems are just destroying the Republican convention. Two most memorable speeches of all the conventions are Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton, and outside of a horribly awkward celebrity ruining the night, Barack Obama will enter the top 3 tomorrow night.  Dems have absolutely won the convention war.
#73 | 748 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
Clinton is giving the wonkiest speech you will ever see at a convention. Its sort of weird to see. I love it. Wonder how many people have seen/are still paying attention but this is great stuff.
It was FANTASTIC. 
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#74 | 748 days ago
Nick__ (+)

Bill kicked ass!!!

Did anyone notice that he may have early stages of Parkinson's?!?!  His hands were shaking an awful lotfrown

PS - 




#75 | 747 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

kteacher wrote:
It was FANTASTIC. 
Yeah, it was.  And never can I remember one man in the political world that has the influence on others that he does.  Of course I'm biased. I am a bring back Bill girl. If it was up to me, I would give him the keys to the white house and tell him he can't leave until he dies. smiley
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#76 | 747 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Oh, and I found it funny that the day of Clinton's speech, The republicans have Ryan go on t.v. saying how he too liked Clinton but, how Obama is not him. I fully believe they know how Clinton can still pull the undecided vote. 
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#77 | 747 days ago
Nick__ (+)

The best part about when Clinton speaks, is the fact that he ALWAYS backs up what he states, with facts!   You cannot debate anything that comes out of his mouth due to the fact that be backs it up!

FACT CHECK THAT, Bitches!  cool
#78 | 747 days ago
unopescatore (+)

slurp em up ladies and gents....slurp em up. cheeky
#79 | 747 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
Nick__ wrote:
The best part about when Clinton speaks, is the fact that he ALWAYS backs up what he states, with facts!   You cannot debate anything that comes out of his mouth due to the fact that be backs it up!

FACT CHECK THAT, Bitches!  cool
Bloomberg tried and couldn't find anything, while the AP resorted to "well, Clinton lied about Monica." This is good news for the Dems, who couldn't afford to tell any major lies after Ryan's lieapalooza. The media are desperate for something that will allow them to do their "both sides do it" kabuki dance as always. Don't give them any ammunition.

It's a good thing the speeches have been hit, because the God/Jerusalem thing was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. The Democratic Party: Still Without a Spine!

Edit: Just to clarify, I was not saying that the DNC shouldn't be fact checked. Of course they should, and if a lie was told, they should say so. I'm just saying that in order to keep the false equivalency going, the media will latch onto any little thing and conclude it was the same as Ryan's whoppers. Or in the AP's case, just go all non-sequitur on it.
#80 | 747 days ago

I watched it this a.m.  I passed out last night on Benadryl. My allergies have been kickin.
I also watched Elizabeth Warrens speech.  

Bill was IMO the best speech, followed by the Nun on The Bus.  

Pres. Obama will be in town Sunday, the line for tickets is around the block. 
#81 | 747 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Forced to disagree with your assessment that everyone either falls into the "liberal" or "conservative" boat.  Many people aren't as simple as that.  I think the minority are the ones who are in lock step with party platforms.  In fact, I suspect that the majority of hard line party people don't buy into everything their own side sells but rather only buy into more than 50% of it.  There are quite a few centrist thinkers out there...
A recent poll showed that two thirds of independents in reality lean heavily towards one party. My theory is that those two thirds just like saying they're independent or moderate to feel superior to the rest of the us, while the rest of them pay so little attention they're views are just ridiculously malleable. Well, those of them that actually vote.

This is a divided country, and has been for quite some time. I have no pretense that it will anything but that for the foreseeable future. It's why I have no desire to play nice or be "civil." It's why it drives me nuts when Obama and the Democrats attempt compromise, when the GOP has made it clear there is no compromise to be made. Everyone can clutch their pearls and bemoan the lack of anyone working together all they want, but it's not going to do anything. I suggest they look at who's causing that problem.
#82 | 747 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Eric_ wrote:
A recent poll showed that two thirds of independents in reality lean heavily towards one party. My theory is that those two thirds just like saying they're independent or moderate to feel superior to the rest of the us, while the rest of them pay so little attention they're views are just ridiculously malleable. Well, those of them that actually vote.

This is a divided country, and has been for quite some time. I have no pretense that it will anything but that for the foreseeable future. It's why I have no desire to play nice or be "civil." It's why it drives me nuts when Obama and the Democrats attempt compromise, when the GOP has made it clear there is no compromise to be made. Everyone can clutch their pearls and bemoan the lack of anyone working together all they want, but it's not going to do anything. I suggest they look at who's causing that problem.
Not to mention, Democrats eagerness to compromise has hurt them mightily in achieving policies they want.  Obama comes to table with a moderate, compromised proposal, Republicans come with hardline proposal and the lazy media decided the Democratic proposal is the liberal idea and Republican one is conservative forcing Democrats to compromise even more. Republicans know how to get the policy wins through media coverage.  They've completely Overton Window'd the heck out of Democrats.

Edit to add: Democrats willingess to compromise is responsible governance, however, it only works when both sides are willing to play. One side isn't.  At some point, you have to get stuff done and if that means playing hard ball, then so be it.
#83 | 747 days ago

From my friend John Henry:


Please stop treating "tea" as an acronym ("TEA/T.E.A Party"). That suggests they stand for something.
#84 | 747 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

Wow, what a speech. He never ceases to amaze me.  All the speeches were good. Jill Biden was great, Joe, well he did good for Joe.  But The President, was to the point, made his points, was humorous and sincere.  He made me proud. smiley
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#85 | 746 days ago



Interesting graph. Source here. 2 interesting things - first, Democrats have NEVER been as liberal as Republicans are conservative now. Secondly, Democrats have been more conservative under Obama than they have been recently.  This goes back to Eric's point on compromise.
#86 | 746 days ago

The jobs report, well, it sucked, there's no other way to spin it. 96k jobs added isn't going to cut it, and while the unemployment rate went down, it was clearly from people leaving the labor force. The one thing I haven't been able to figure out is how the U-6 rate, which takes into account underemployed and discouraged workers, dropped .3 to 14.7%. The only thing I can think of is it has something to do with the seasonal adjustments.

Given Obama certainly knew the results of this before his speech last night, it makes more disappointing and peculiar he didn't say much about our jobs crisis.
#87 | 746 days ago

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/siegel-resigns-as-palm-beach-democratic-chair-afte/nR5x2/


Why is it always my effing town/county/state?    
#88 | 746 days ago

ohwell_ wrote: Its a good thing, PR wise, the convention happened this week, because far too many county and state party chairs have said some stupid, offensive $h!t this week.
#89 | 745 days ago

cubsgirl2 wrote:
Wow, what a speech. He never ceases to amaze me.  All the speeches were good. Jill Biden was great, Joe, well he did good for Joe.  But The President, was to the point, made his points, was humorous and sincere.  He made me proud. smiley
He never ceases to amaze me as well.
#90 | 743 days ago

Mike on Twitter just reminded me I need to post the three absolute must follow rules of the Libtard thread:

1. No talk of 2016 yet
2. No linking to Politico
3. No linking to anything written by Mark Halperin
#91 | 742 days ago
cubsgirl2 (+)

I just love this. smiley


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#92 | 741 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
Since all hell broke loose in F/E today, I won't post there and fan the flames. Here flames are expected, so I'm going for it.

First, let me stress that I am speaking here as a private citizen and not an employee of the Department of Defense.

So, here's the timeline of this whole thing, helpfully reconstructed by Dave Weigel. Recently, a bunch of religious extremists, including Professional Bigot and Koran Burning "Preacher" Terry Jones, released an Islam hit piece video. Naturally, this pissed off other religious extremists.

Yesterday morning, before the attacks, the US Embassy in Egypt released this statement. This is the statement that Romney is calling an apology:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others

Reading the statement, it is clearly condemning this hate speech video by the Jewish and Christian extremists who made and financed it. Reports are this statement was not cleared by the State Department or the White House beforehand. My theory on this is that the video made the situation on the ground in Cairo very dicey, and this was the Embassy's attempt to try and calm down the pissed off religious extremists. Given what happened later, it's understandable that those in the Embassy had reason to be scared.

Of course, the attack on the consulate in Libya happens (and on the embassy in Egypt). Four proud Americans and civil servants are killed. It's a tragedy and a travesty, we can all agree on that.

At 12:01 am this morning, coinciding with the end of September 11th in the Eastern time zone, the Romney campaign puts out a press release saying Obama apologized to the attackers. The chairman of the RNC backed him up in a tweet.

President Obama personally announced the death of Ambassador Stevens, and this was his statement. Not seeing a whole lot of apologizing there.

Now there are reports that the uproar over the video was a diversion, and this was a planned attack by al Qaeda (guess they aren't quite as dead as previously thought). The Libyan government, nascent as it is, has condemned the attacks. The neoconservative warmongers, but I repeat myself, are now clamoring for war and bombs to be dropped. How that would work, I have no idea. How would such a war be sold to a war-weary country, I have no idea either.

What Obama has done is send Marines to Libya for security, as well as surveillance drones, which could mean yet another country where we're firing predator drones (let's see, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, am I missing any?). Whether the Romney campaign and the neoconservative warmongers (again, repeating myself) still consider that apologizing, I have no idea.
#93 | 741 days ago

I think my biggest problem with Romney's disgraceful position is that it takes some serious 9/11 Truther/D'Souza thinking to get it.  The underlying thought of both the 9/11 Truthers and Romney (and his supporters in the RW base) is that the President was okay with Americans being attacked.  And, in Romney's position, the only reason the President theoretically would be okay with it is to fulfill his worldview to lower America's power throughout the world (D'Souza).  The thought process behind Romney's position is so far out on the fringe, its terrifying he still has a chance to become President.
#94 | 739 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
I think my biggest problem with Romney's disgraceful position is that it takes some serious 9/11 Truther/D'Souza thinking to get it.  The underlying thought of both the 9/11 Truthers and Romney (and his supporters in the RW base) is that the President was okay with Americans being attacked.  And, in Romney's position, the only reason the President theoretically would be okay with it is to fulfill his worldview to lower America's power throughout the world (D'Souza).  The thought process behind Romney's position is so far out on the fringe, its terrifying he still has a chance to become President.
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