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Calling all Libtards - Election Night Live Thread
Hello, Lib-tards and everyone else. The time is now: Election Day. This poll serves as our live thread as the results come in. I'll be combing through the results as the night goes on, so you don't have to listen to the talking morons on TV.

Please remember that all opinions are welcome, but this poll is geared towards the liberals here. So it can and often gets heated, so if you can't take the heat stay out of the poll. And let's all remember the CoC. Basically, don't be like our politicians, but disagree without being disagreeable.

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#1 | 686 days ago

Watching today's Morning Joe. Its amazing how stupid the conventional wisdom in D.C. is at times. They:
  • Think crowd size matters. It doesn't. Sarah Palin drew great crowds. She's viewed as a clown by everyone now.
  •  Buy into the Romney campaign's theory they had momentum before Sandy. If you look at polling, outside of Obama's convention bounce, polling has looked the same since early summer.
  • Cherry pick polling to make it look interesting. This isn't stupidity as much as needing a story. Still annoying

This race is and isn't close. Sure, Obama won't blowout Romney in any swing state.  However, he's been leading in all the states he'll win the entire time. This has been a pretty damn stagnant and boring race (unless you get lost in the small stories). 

Anyway, glad this will end and we can move on to.. FISCAL CLIFF INSANITY!
  
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#1 | 686 days ago

Watching today's Morning Joe. Its amazing how stupid the conventional wisdom in D.C. is at times. They:
  • Think crowd size matters. It doesn't. Sarah Palin drew great crowds. She's viewed as a clown by everyone now.
  •  Buy into the Romney campaign's theory they had momentum before Sandy. If you look at polling, outside of Obama's convention bounce, polling has looked the same since early summer.
  • Cherry pick polling to make it look interesting. This isn't stupidity as much as needing a story. Still annoying

This race is and isn't close. Sure, Obama won't blowout Romney in any swing state.  However, he's been leading in all the states he'll win the entire time. This has been a pretty damn stagnant and boring race (unless you get lost in the small stories). 

Anyway, glad this will end and we can move on to.. FISCAL CLIFF INSANITY!
#2 | 686 days ago

Tonight is prediction night, and I'll start with the big one. In the meantime, Nate Silver updated his model, and he now gives Obama a 91% chance of winning, with 314 electoral votes. Sam Wang at Princeton has Obama 98.2% to win and with 309 electoral votes. Electoral-vote.com has it 294-220 at the moment, with 24 (NC and CO) tied. Even right leaning RCP has it 303-235 Obama once the toss up states are allocated. My prediction probably won't be as optimistic, because while I definitely believe what the polling is now overwhelmingly saying (where there's smoke, there's fire), I'm not an optimistic person. Plus, I'm worried about voter suppression tactics, dirty tricks, and blatant theft (especially in Ohio). Unfortunately, I also expect a lot of litigation, and no guarantee we're going to know when we go to bed tomorrow.

Anyway, to my prediction. If we allocate every state that's not considered a battleground (real or perceived), we start with a baseline of 201-191 Obama. The baseline keeps every result from 2008 the same except Indiana and Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District, which moves to Romney.

Going to the states that Romney and the media have tried to make into swing states that aren't: Michigan and Pennsylvania. Give those to Obama since they aren't real swing states and it's 237-191 (Minnesota was allocated in the baseline. It isn't a swing state either.).

Romney has to win most of the remaining states to win. I think he will do so in Florida and North Carolina, which have consistently been the strongest Romney states of the battlegrounds. It is now 237-235.

Now, however is when it unravels for Romney. We all now about how Obama has led in Ohio the entire time. While I remain fearful of shenanigans there, for now all signs point to an Obama win. I think he's even more likely to win Nevada and Wisconsin, which right there is 271 and victory.

Obama also has slight but steady leads in Iowa and New Hampshire. The polls are also breaking his way in Virginia, although I except it to be very tight there. The polls are breaking towards Obama in Colorado as well, but for some reason (yes, I'm going gut here, shoot me) I think Romney pulls that one out. Thus, my final prediction:

Obama 294
Romney 244

My least confident picks by the way are Ohio, Virginia, and Colorado. Sorry, that was more long winded than I thought.

Up Next: Congress
#3 | 686 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
OK, on to Congress, starting with the House. Predicting the exact composition is a fool's errand, but I will predict the Republicans retain control of the House. The moral of the story is don't get destroyed in the election just prior to redistricting kids.

Now for the Senate, which starts the night at 37-30 Republicans, with 33 seats up for election. I'll go through them one by one. The bolded name is the prediction.

Arizona (OPEN-Kyl)- Richard Carmona had made this a tight race, but it looks like the late polls broke to Jeff Flake (R).

California (Feinstein)- Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D) will cruise.

Connecticut (OPEN-Lieberman)- Linda McMahon was actually neck and neck a few weeks ago. Sanity prevailed and it looks like Chris Murphy (D) will win.

Delaware (Carper)- Sen. Tom Carper (D) wins easily.

Florida (Nelson)- You would think this would be a tighter race, but it's not, and Sen. Bill Nelson (D) should win by a comfortable margin.

Hawaii (OPEN-Akaka)- CSPAN watchers will miss Senate roll calls beginning with "Mr. Akaka." Mazie Hirono (D) will be his successor.

Indiana (OPEN-Lugar)- Polls have gone towards Joe Donnelly since Mourdock's idiotic rape comment. However, I have a feeling the Republican lean of the state holds and Richard Mourdock (R) wins. (I told you all these would be pessimistic predictions)

Maine (OPEN-Snowe)- Angus King (I) will be the next Senator from Maine. The question is what party will he caucus with. His history would indicate it will be the Democrats, but he hasn't said either way.

Part Two on the next post.
#4 | 686 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
Part three now.

New Jersey (Menendez)- Barring something weird with Sandy fallout on turnout, Sen. Robert Menendez (D) will win.

New Mexico (OPEN-Bingaman)- More proof New Mexico is no longer a swing state: This was an open seat and Martin Heinrich (D) will still cruise to a comfortable high single digit/low double digit win.

New York (Gillibrand)- Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D) gets a full 6 year term.

North Dakota (OPEN-Conrad)- It's been a tight race and Heidi Heitkamp is a good candidate, but I think the state lean gets Rick Berg (R) over the finish line. (GOP TAKEOVER)

Ohio (Brown)- The GOP spent tons of money, both their own and SuperPAC money to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D), and it doesn't look like they're gonna do it, or even come that close.

Pennsylvania (Casey)- At times the lead has gotten small enough to send people aflutter, but Sen. Bob Casey (D) is going to win, the question is by how much.

Rhode Island (Whitehouse)- No issues for Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D).

Tennessee (Corker)- The less said about this one the better. Sen. Bob Corker (R) is reelected.

Texas (OPEN-Hutchinson)- Ted Cruz (R), aka Hispanic Dale Gribble in Texas's next Senator. You will hear a lot from him in the coming years.

Part Four (last one!) next.
#5 | 686 days ago

OK, last part.

Utah (Hatch)- Sen. Orrin Hatch (R) survived his primary, making his reelection a foregone conclusion.

Vermont (Sanders)- Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) will keep on keeping on. (Note: He is officially an independent, but when I add the totals, he will be counted as a Democrat)

Virginia (OPEN-Webb)- Another tight race throughout, and like the presidential race, it has recently broken ever so slightly for Tim Kaine (D). I don't feel all that confident on this one though.

Washington (Cantwell)- Patty Murray had trouble holding on two years ago. Sen. Maria Cantwell (D) will not have that problem.

West Virginia (Manchin)- Calling Sen. Joe Manchin (D) a Democrat is a stretch, but he'll win and numbers are numbers.

Wisconsin (OPEN-Kohl)- Still very tight and I don't really trust Wisconsin right now, but I'm picking Tammy Baldwin (D) in part because I really want it to happen. She does seem to be a slight favorite right now.

Wyoming (Barrasso)- I don't even know if the Democrats fielded a candidate. Sen. John Barrasso (R) in a land slide.

Adding it all together give you this prediction:

Democrats 51
Republicans 48
Independents 1

My guess is King caucuses with the Democrats and it becomes 52-48. The Republicans gain one seat, which given how this map looked going into the cycle would be a huge disappointment for them.
#6 | 686 days ago

I have to work late shift until 11:30 tomorrow night.  I'm voting tomorrow before I leave for work, and I hope to come home to discover that the voters have given both Obama and Bob Casey another term.

Happy voting!  That is all.
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#7 | 686 days ago

(Edited by ohwell_)
My 82 year old  mom told me she voted absentee in Michigan for Obama.  This is a big deal.  She is a life long Democrat who
voted for McCain in 08.  Her reasoning (I'm so embarrassed) was she wasn't going to vote for a black man unless it was
Colin Powell.  frown I guess living in a Tea Party jackbooted state where the Government just waltzes in and takes over your town, fires your elected officials, closes your schools, and sells off city property to developers is getting old.   I'm also thinking General Powells endorsement may have swung her.  

Already voting problems in PBC with the machines. 

Also if you know anyone in a crisis because of the storm in the northeast, Governor Cuomo declared a registered NY voter CAN vote in ANY precinct in the state.

Edited because the screen keeps freezing.  Re: the Florida predictions.. Alan West has spent nearly 37 million dollars from PAC and outside the state money, also from Donald Trump.    Dirtiest campaign I have witnessed in my lifetime, lies, lies and more lies.  Good luck to Patrick Murphy....

Going to the poll at 6 a.m.  Thunderstorms predicted for tomorrow afternoon.
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#8 | 686 days ago

I'll try again tomorrow, since right now I can't post in my own thread. angry
#9 | 686 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Re: #WISen Baldwin is a slight favorite. Think she wins, won't be surprised if Thompson wins. 

I have the race 303 -235 Obama, but 332-206 (Obama winning FL) wouldn't surprise me. I am also, much more optimistic than Eric. Either way, one of us is VERY likely to be right.

Edit to add: I think Mourdock loses the IN Senate race. Recent polling puts him in a bad spot, though I wouldn't be completely surprised if he wins. Otherwise, I agree with Eric on Senate races.
#10 | 685 days ago

(Edited by ohwell_)



I was voter #28 this a.m.  I arrived at 6:24.
Tons of people at the wrong polling location.
Voter ID and sample ballots had the wrong locations on them.  no
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#11 | 685 days ago

ohwell_ wrote:
My 82 year old  mom told me she voted absentee in Michigan for Obama.  This is a big deal.  She is a life long Democrat who
voted for McCain in 08.  Her reasoning (I'm so embarrassed) was she wasn't going to vote for a black man unless it was
Colin Powell.  frown I guess living in a Tea Party jackbooted state where the Government just waltzes in and takes over your town, fires your elected officials, closes your schools, and sells off city property to developers is getting old.   I'm also thinking General Powells endorsement may have swung her.  

Already voting problems in PBC with the machines. 

Also if you know anyone in a crisis because of the storm in the northeast, Governor Cuomo declared a registered NY voter CAN vote in ANY precinct in the state.

Edited because the screen keeps freezing.  Re: the Florida predictions.. Alan West has spent nearly 37 million dollars from PAC and outside the state money, also from Donald Trump.    Dirtiest campaign I have witnessed in my lifetime, lies, lies and more lies.  Good luck to Patrick Murphy....

Going to the poll at 6 a.m.  Thunderstorms predicted for tomorrow afternoon.
First, Ha! Don't be embarrassed, I wasn't going to vote for a black man either. Second, I'm still uncertain as to whether Colin Powell is black.



Third, Thank somebody or something that this is almost over!
#12 | 685 days ago



I am one of the remaining undecided voters who could very well play a huge part in the out come of this extremely important Presidential Election.  There is so much riding on this that every single vote at this stage of the game is critical as both candidtaes are in the home stretch and have put forth so much effort ! A single vote here and there could very well be the deciding factor for who sits in the White House for next four years ! 

I can be easily influenced and my morals are questionable at best as we all know, so just pick up that phone and make your mark on this election boo smiley  (everyone has to do their part)




(Yes this is clearly a desperate yet witty last ditch attempt to influence Michelle to call me and sway my vote. I am sharp square and i approve this message although i doubt the secret service does.)
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#13 | 685 days ago

I just want to add...   If you are someone who just isn't all that interested in voting then by all means....  DON'T VOTE!!  

Don't let anyone guilt you into voting. 

Better to have voters cast their vote with some sort of thought (no matter what their opinion is) than votes cast with none.


Yes, I realize that this message very likely doesn't apply here as the vast majority of people reading a political thread probably do have their informed opinions and plan on voting, or have already.  Just wanted to get this message out.
#14 | 685 days ago

It's always a clusterf*ck in Palm Beach County.

Broken scanners for the ballots.
No ballots at polling locations til 8:30
Missing Page 1 (Presidential page) at another.
Wrong polling locations on ID cards. 
Occupy Palm Beach has lawyers on call and at polling locations with problems.
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#15 | 685 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Tonight is prediction night, and I'll start with the big one. In the meantime, Nate Silver updated his model, and he now gives Obama a 91% chance of winning, with 314 electoral votes. Sam Wang at Princeton has Obama 98.2% to win and with 309 electoral votes. Electoral-vote.com has it 294-220 at the moment, with 24 (NC and CO) tied. Even right leaning RCP has it 303-235 Obama once the toss up states are allocated. My prediction probably won't be as optimistic, because while I definitely believe what the polling is now overwhelmingly saying (where there's smoke, there's fire), I'm not an optimistic person. Plus, I'm worried about voter suppression tactics, dirty tricks, and blatant theft (especially in Ohio). Unfortunately, I also expect a lot of litigation, and no guarantee we're going to know when we go to bed tomorrow.

Anyway, to my prediction. If we allocate every state that's not considered a battleground (real or perceived), we start with a baseline of 201-191 Obama. The baseline keeps every result from 2008 the same except Indiana and Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District, which moves to Romney.

Going to the states that Romney and the media have tried to make into swing states that aren't: Michigan and Pennsylvania. Give those to Obama since they aren't real swing states and it's 237-191 (Minnesota was allocated in the baseline. It isn't a swing state either.).

Romney has to win most of the remaining states to win. I think he will do so in Florida and North Carolina, which have consistently been the strongest Romney states of the battlegrounds. It is now 237-235.

Now, however is when it unravels for Romney. We all now about how Obama has led in Ohio the entire time. While I remain fearful of shenanigans there, for now all signs point to an Obama win. I think he's even more likely to win Nevada and Wisconsin, which right there is 271 and victory.

Obama also has slight but steady leads in Iowa and New Hampshire. The polls are also breaking his way in Virginia, although I except it to be very tight there. The polls are breaking towards Obama in Colorado as well, but for some reason (yes, I'm going gut here, shoot me) I think Romney pulls that one out. Thus, my final prediction:

Obama 294
Romney 244

My least confident picks by the way are Ohio, Virginia, and Colorado. Sorry, that was more long winded than I thought.

Up Next: Congress
QMZ UPDATE: As of about 10AM Nate Silver - fivethirtyeight - (and no relation to David Silver unfortunately) has the electoral votes 313 - 225 , 90.9% chance of winning and 50.8% of the popular vote. Small uptick for Mittens, but B-Money's still kinda out front.

More on this as it develops. We also be bringing you Q-lebrity reactions and what the Q is wearing to vote!

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#16 | 685 days ago



My vote is now in. There was a line of 4 people at my little country poll location , so i had a piece of  homemade pumpkin pie and some green Hawaiian Punch !    Country location and ladies who bake at polls is indeed a plus yes
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#17 | 685 days ago

(Edited by richard_cranium)
My vote is in, now just to see what happens.
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#18 | 685 days ago

marcus_nyce wrote:
QMZ UPDATE: As of about 10AM Nate Silver - fivethirtyeight - (and no relation to David Silver unfortunately) has the electoral votes 313 - 225 , 90.9% chance of winning and 50.8% of the popular vote. Small uptick for Mittens, but B-Money's still kinda out front.

More on this as it develops. We also be bringing you Q-lebrity reactions and what the Q is wearing to vote!

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I wore scrubs w/ red/black/white Air Max.
#19 | 685 days ago

Sharp Square wrote:


My vote is now in. There was a line of 4 people at my little country poll location , so i had a piece of  homemade pumpkin pie and some green Hawaiian Punch !    Country location and ladies who bake at polls is indeed a plus yes
I get to vote in a bar. cool
#20 | 685 days ago

marcus_nyce wrote:
QMZ UPDATE: As of about 10AM Nate Silver - fivethirtyeight - (and no relation to David Silver unfortunately) has the electoral votes 313 - 225 , 90.9% chance of winning and 50.8% of the popular vote. Small uptick for Mittens, but B-Money's still kinda out front.

More on this as it develops. We also be bringing you Q-lebrity reactions and what the Q is wearing to vote!

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I wore jeans and my Nobrama tshirt look.

Sorry no photos were allowed by Rob.  T.H.O.
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#21 | 685 days ago

Lobotomy Jones wrote:
I get to vote in a bar. cool
Makes waiting in line more bearable
#22 | 685 days ago

Lobotomy Jones wrote:
I get to vote in a bar. cool


Should def be election day dollar shots and bar brands ! yes
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#23 | 685 days ago

Lobotomy Jones wrote:
I get to vote in a bar. cool
I got to vote in a church, and did not burst into flames and to my knowledge the church is still standing.
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#24 | 685 days ago

On my way to exercise my right to vote!  Whoever wins, I pray that our country comes together and stop with all of the hatred!  USA is STILL the best country in the world!!
#25 | 685 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
I voted on my way home from work, which was easy because my precinct is the library next to my apartment complex.

I also have this link on what to do on Election Day, mostly to point out how unbelievably I failed at #5.
#26 | 685 days ago

I got to vote after "Rebekah, from sunny brook farms". Her first election and she was a bit much :/
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#27 | 685 days ago

As we get ready to begin, a quick note of advice/caution (Yes I'm in full nerd mode now, sorry in advance):

The exit polls are starting to leak out. Ignore them. They're not particularly useful anymore, and how do they account for early voters? Yes, they'll be used to call the obvious states, but for the close races, you want to watch the actual returns.

Also, note where the vote is being counted first. For example, say the early returns in Virginia show a 61-39 Obama lead. Great for him, right? Well, likely that means the first votes counted were in the Arlington or Fairfax area. Likewise, if early Virginia returns show 61-39 Romney, then the rural areas are what got counted first.

Yes, this makes for a long night.
#28 | 685 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I voted on my way home from work, which was easy because my precinct is the library next to my apartment complex.

I also have this link on what to do on Election Day, mostly to point out how unbelievably I failed at #5.
The snack setup was my fave.
#29 | 685 days ago

I never post in these - but we're turning the TV off (or watching movies or playing Rock Band) tonight so we don't get too sucked in. I figured it would be good to post in here so I could follow along without being too obsessive.
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#30 | 685 days ago

Jess wrote:
I never post in these - but we're turning the TV off (or watching movies or playing Rock Band) tonight so we don't get too sucked in. I figured it would be good to post in here so I could follow along without being too obsessive.
Get outta my head, woman!


(Not rock band, but AC)
#31 | 685 days ago

Alright, I've got CNN's election results page up, 270towin up with blank maps for President and Senate. My dinner is ready, which I will eat before moving to harder beverages.

The score at the start of the night is obviously 0-0. In the Senate it is 37-30 Republicans, representing the 67 seats not up for election tonight.

The first polls close at 7 pm eastern in the following states: Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia.

These are the races to watch in these states:

VA President
VA Senate - Kaine (D) vs. Allen (R)
IN Senate - Mourdock (R) vs. Donnelly (D)

Here we go everyone.
#32 | 685 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
And the projections have started... (Note: I'm watching MSNBC because every other option was worse IMO)

Virginia is too close to call, as expected
Georgia is too early to call, as is South Carolina due to lack of information
Romney wins Indiana, Kentucky
Obama wins Vermont

Bernie Sanders is reelected in Vermont
Virginia and Indiana Senate both too close to call

The scores at this moment

Romney 19
Obama 3

Senate:

Republicans 37
Democrats 31 (I am counting Sanders as a Democrat for simpliticy's sake)
#33 | 685 days ago

Less than 5 minutes from the 7:30 pm poll closing in the following states: North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia

Here are the races to watch in these states:

NC President
OH President (Duh)
OH Senate - Brown (D) vs. Mandel (R)
OH-16 - Sutton (D) vs. Renacci (R) - Both are incumbents who are facing off due to redistricting
#34 | 685 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
Here we go with the calls at 7:30.

Ohio is of course too close to call, as is North Carolina.
Romney wins West Virginia.

Edit: I have no idea what took so long, but South Carolina has been called for Romney.

Joe Manchin is reelected in West Virginia. Too close in Ohio Senate.

Presidential Score:

Romney 33
Obama 3

Senate Score:

Republicans 37
Democrats 32
#35 | 685 days ago

My boys are watching the results as they come in. Let it be known I have one child for each candidate. One of them is going to be heart broken tonight. broken heart
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#36 | 685 days ago

Take a breath, because we have a lot of states closing at 8 pm: Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, and Washington DC

Here are the races to watch:

FL President
NH President
PA President
CT Senate - Murphy (D) vs. McMahon (R)
MA Senate - Warren (D) vs. Brown (R)
MO Senate - McCaskill (D) vs. Akin (R)
PA Senate - Casey (D) vs. Smith (R)
FL-18 - Patrick Murphy (D) vs. Allen West (R)
MA-06 - John Tierney (D) vs. Richard Tisei (R) - Tisei has a chance as would be the first gay Republican Congressman
NH-01 - Shea Porter (D) vs. Frank Guinta (R)
NH-02 - Ann McLane Kuster (D) vs. Charlie Bass (R) - Between these two ladies and the Democratic nominee for Governor, every state wide office in New Hampshire could be held by a female by the end of the night
Florida Amendment 6 (no public funding for abortion)
Maine Question 1 (legalize same sex marriage)
Maryland Question 6 (legalize same sex marriage)
Maryland Question 7 (expanded casino gambling)- I put this here because I have been inundated with ads both for and against this by the various casino companies fighting each other.
#37 | 685 days ago

Call time.

Georgia has finally been called for Romney.

Pennsylvania is too early to call, Obama is leading. (good sign for Obama)
New Jersey is too early to call, which is likely Sandy related. There is a chance NBC doesn't call NJ tonight due to extended voting until Friday.
Missouri is too early to call.
Florida is of course too close to call, as is New Hampshire.
Romney wins Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Mississippi.
Obama wins Illinois (duh), Masschusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Maine (but no call on the 2nd congressional district), Rhode Island, Delaware, and DC.
#38 | 685 days ago

Senate call time.

Angus King, the independent, has won Maine. This was a GOP held seat.

Too early to call in Massachusetts and Missouri. I think those are both good for Democrats.
Connecticut is also too early to call, as is Pennsylvania.

Bill Nelson has been reelected in Florida.
Roger Wicker has been reelected in Misssissippi.
Ben Cardin has been reelected in Maryland
Also reelected: Carper (Delaware), Whitehouse (Rhode Island), Corker (Tennessee)

New Jersey is too early to call due to their circumstances.

President Score:

Romney 82
Obama 64

Senate Score:

39 Republicans
36 Democrats
1 Independent
#39 | 685 days ago

Did you really think I would leave you alone tonight?   Eric, nicely done. smiley
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#40 | 685 days ago

I am so ready to see the Mo. Senate seat.  
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#41 | 685 days ago

I'm ready for my first deep dive of the current results, starting with the presidential race in Florida. There's already 55% in and it's Obama 51-48, a roughly 150k lead.

The big thing right now is early votes gets counted first, so that's an early advantage Obama. Romney can take heart in that the panhandle was the last part of Florida where polls closed, so that's still mostly uncounted. However, Broward and Miami-Dade counties have barely reported anything yet, and the margins for Obama are already big. Palm Beach county has 32% in. I'm not well versed in the rest of the state to know if either has an advantage yet, but Obama definitely has a shot. Laurel if you could add anything, it would be much appreciated.
#42 | 685 days ago

At 8:30, Arkansas polls closed, and it was immediately called for Romney.

The Connecticut Senate race has been called for Chris Murphy, the Democrat. That's now 2 Senate races in 2 years where Linda McMahon (yes, of those McMahons) has spent a ton of money and not won.

EV count is 88-64 Romney. Senate is 39-37 Republican with 1 Independent.
#43 | 685 days ago

Virginia has 30% in. For president, it's 55-43 Romney, about a 141k vote lead.

When it comes to Virginia and Obama, it's all about Northern Virginia. Fairfax has a mere 1% in, as does Loudon County. Prince William County has 13% in, and it's 53-46 Romney. The Hampton Roads area, another good Obama area, is also mostly uncounted so far. The raw vote doesn't look great early, but the Democratic strongholds are mostly uncounted so far.

Senate is much closer with that 30% in. Allen leads 52-48, about 8000 votes.
#44 | 685 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
The following states close at 9:00 pm: Arizona, Colorado, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, South Dakota, Texas, Wisconsin, Wyoming

Here are the races to watch:

CO President
MI President
WI President
AZ Senate - Carmona (D) vs. Flake (R)
NE Senate - Kerrey (D) vs. Fischer (R)
ND Senate - Heidkamp (D) vs. Berg (R)
WI Senate - Baldwin (D) vs. Thompson (R)
MI-11 - Syed Taj (D) vs. Kerry Bentivolio (R) - Google Bentivolio. Trust me.
MN-06 - Jim Graves (D) vs. Michelle Bachmann (R, inc)
MN-08 - Jim Nolan (D) vs. Chip Cravaack (R, inc)
WI-01 - Rob Zerban (D) vs. Paul Ryan (R, inc)
Colorado Amendment 64 (legalize marijuana)
Minnesota Amendment 1 (ban same sex marriage)
Michigan State Proposal 12-1 (Emergency Manager Law)
#45 | 685 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
Call time.

Obama wins Michigan. Swing state my ass.
Wisconsin is too early to call, but Obama is leading. Arizona is too early to call, but Romney is leading. Minnesota is also too early to call, with Obama leading.
Colorado is too close to call.
Romney wins Texas, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska (but not the 2nd congressional district, no call there), North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming.
Obama wins New York and New Mexico.

They've now called New Jersey for Obama.

Romney 153
Obama 128
#46 | 685 days ago

On to Congress, where NBC just projected that the Republicans will remain in control of the House. Barring a revolt, John Boehner will remain Speaker.

New Jersey has been called for incumbent Sen. Bob Menendez.
Pennsylvania has also been called for incumbent Sen. Bob Casey.

Republicans 39
Democrats 39
Independent 1
#47 | 685 days ago

NBC News has just called Pennsylvania for President Obama.

Back to the Senate:

North Dakota is too early to call, which probably means advantage GOP. New Mexico is also too early to call.

Wisconsin is too close to call.

Ted Cruz, aka Hispanic Dale Gribble, has won in Texas.
Three Democratic women get reelected: Amy Klouchbar in Minnesota, Debbie Stabenow in Michigan, and Kirsten Gilibrand in New York
John Barrasso is reelected in Wyoming.

Too close to call in Arizona. It is too early to call in Nebraska.

Score:

Democratic 42
Republican 41
Independent 1
#48 | 685 days ago

I have been involved in politics for 3 decades now, I have never been so nervous as I am tonight.
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#49 | 685 days ago

Taking a quick look at the Indiana senate race, Donnelly leads Mourdock 48-46 with 63% in. Unfortunately for Donnelly, he's wrung up much of this advantage in Marion County (Indianapolis area), which is 80% in. What he does have going for him is that Lake County, which is a suburb of Chicago has barely counted anything. There's a lot of red counties with 100% in though.
#50 | 685 days ago

Wisconsin has been called for President Obama. Obama has taken the lead in the Electoral College.

Obama 158
Romney 153

There are rumors flying that Warren and Baldwin have won their Senate races, but nothing official yet.
#51 | 685 days ago

Sherrod Brown has been reelected in Ohio. If you're a liberal, that should put a smile on your face. The Republicans and their dark money went all out to defeat him.
#52 | 685 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
I have been involved in politics for 3 decades now, I have never been so nervous as I am tonight.
I haven't been involved in politics much at all until this election (and even then, it's been educating myself on the issues and where the candidates stand on them rather than campaigning)...and I'm terrified.
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#53 | 685 days ago

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#54 | 685 days ago

Jess wrote:
I haven't been involved in politics much at all until this election (and even then, it's been educating myself on the issues and where the candidates stand on them rather than campaigning)...and I'm terrified.
I am too Jess. 
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#55 | 685 days ago

Any requests on the next race I should look at deeper?
#56 | 685 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Any requests on the next race I should look at deeper?
NHL vs. NHLPA cheeky



Jay Kay. No. I'm clueless.
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#57 | 685 days ago

Yes!  It looks like we are taking Penns.
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#58 | 685 days ago

Hey Republicans, regret threatening to filibuster Elizabeth Warren so Obama wouldn't appoint her to head the CFPB?

Well, I hope you're ready to welcome Senator Warren this January.

(Yes, it was just called for her.)

Also, NBC News just called Indiana Senate for Joe Donnelly. Mourdock and the Tea Party blew it, and a seat that shouldn't have flipped did.

Democratic 45
Republican 41
Independent 1
#59 | 685 days ago

Jess wrote:
NHL vs. NHLPA cheeky



Jay Kay. No. I'm clueless.
That is a clusterf**k where no one wins!
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#60 | 685 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Hey Republicans, regret threatening to filibuster Elizabeth Warren so Obama wouldn't appoint her to head the CFPB?

Well, I hope you're ready to welcome Senator Warren this January.

(Yes, it was just called for her.)

Also, NBC News just called Indiana Senate for Joe Donnelly. Mourdock and the Tea Party blew it, and a seat that shouldn't have flipped did.

Democratic 45
Republican 41
Independent 1
This was two good piece of news. I am still waiting on Mo. Have you heard anything? 
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#61 | 685 days ago

richard_cranium wrote:
That is a clusterf**k where no one wins!
Not until they drop the puck on the ice and guys start beating each other up to get it into the net. At that point, I win. 
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#62 | 685 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
This was two good piece of news. I am still waiting on Mo. Have you heard anything? 
Only 12% in, not enough to look closer yet. McCaskill up 53-41.
#63 | 685 days ago

The first swing state has fallen. It's the smallest, but New Hampshire has been called for President Obama.
#64 | 685 days ago

Jess wrote:
Not until they drop the puck on the ice and guys start beating each other up to get it into the net. At that point, I win. 
yes
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#65 | 685 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Only 12% in, not enough to look closer yet. McCaskill up 53-41.
Does that not as an American blow your mind?  The man should have gotten one vote, his!   His wife shouldn't even be that f*****g ignorant!
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#66 | 685 days ago

P.S.------I'm always nervous on Election night. 

Really really really hope a couple important props in California pass. 
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#67 | 685 days ago

Jess wrote:
Not until they drop the puck on the ice and guys start beating each other up to get it into the net. At that point, I win. 
That is not looking good according to my Exit Polls from the F**ktards in control of the NHL poll. My early projection is no season, but it is early and a long season, so that might change!
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#68 | 685 days ago

I will take a closer look at Ohio in a few minutes. But first, here are the states closing at 10 pm: Iowa, Montana, Nevada, Utah

Here are the races to watch:

IA President
NV President
MT Senate - Tester (D) vs. Rehberg (R)
NV Senate - Berekley (D) vs. Heller (R)
IA-03 - Boswell (D) vs. Latham (R) - Another redistricting mandated battle of incumbents
IA-04 - Vilsack (D) vs. King (R) - Might be a longshot, but there are few Congressmen more odious than Steve King. Christine Vilsack is the wife of former Governor of Iowa and current Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack
UT-04 - Matheson (D) vs. Love (R) - Jim Matheson has represented this area of Utah for a long time, but Mia Love is going to win. She is a black Mormon Republican and will be a national conservative star starting tomorrow.
#69 | 685 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
Does that not as an American blow your mind?  The man should have gotten one vote, his!   His wife shouldn't even be that f*****g ignorant!
BTW, weren't you trying to get people to vote for Obama in Missouri?
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#70 | 685 days ago

Call time.

Iowa is too early to call. Obama is leading.
Nevada is too early to call, and again, Obama is leading.

I hope you're sitting down for this, but Romney has won Utah. He has also won Montana.

Turning to the Senate:

Montana is too close to call.
Nevada is also too close to call.
Orrin Hatch has been reelected in Utah.

Presidential Score:

Obama 162
Romney 162

Senate Score:

Democratic 45
Republican 41
Independent 1
#71 | 685 days ago

(Edited by ohwell_)
Those 8000 absentee ballots that had to be duplicated because of printing errors?  Remember those?

On behalf of thinking citizens of Palm Beach County Florida, I apologize in advance.    Always, always, always

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/west_palm_beach/palm-beach-county-supervisor-of-election-susan-bucher-says-things-are-going-well
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#72 | 685 days ago

richard_cranium wrote:
BTW, weren't you trying to get people to vote for Obama in Missouri?
yeah. sad
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#73 | 685 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
yeah. sad
Can you please help the republicans next time?
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#74 | 685 days ago

kteacher wrote:
P.S.------I'm always nervous on Election night. 

Really really really hope a couple important props in California pass. 
I hope prop 37 beats out Monsanto and friends.
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#75 | 685 days ago

NBC News has called Missouri Senate for Claire McCaskill, meaning she's reelected after defeating Legitimate Rape. This seat was thrown away by the GOP.

NBC hasn't yet, but many other places have called Wisconsin Senate for Tammy Baldwin. If that is true, the Dems are up to 47 Senators. Given that they will win in Washington, California, and Hawaii, and probably win in New Mexico, I will go ahead and call it. The Democrats have retained control of the Senate.
#76 | 685 days ago

richard_cranium wrote:
Can you please help the republicans next time?
yeah.crying
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#77 | 685 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
NBC News has called Missouri Senate for Claire McCaskill, meaning she's reelected after defeating Legitimate Rape. This seat was thrown away by the GOP.

NBC hasn't yet, but many other places have called Wisconsin Senate for Tammy Baldwin. If that is true, the Dems are up to 47 Senators. Given that they will win in Washington, California, and Hawaii, and probably win in New Mexico, I will go ahead and call it. The Democrats have retained control of the Senate.
Thank you.
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#78 | 685 days ago

Ok deep breathe, McCaskill was just announced the winner. The Democrats will retain control of the senate. 


And a message to a**h***s like Todd Akin. Go f**K yourself.
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#79 | 685 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
Ok deep breathe, McCaskill was just announced the winner. The Democrats will retain control of the senate. 


And a message to a**h***s like Todd Akin. Go f**K yourself.
You have been back less than 3 hours and I can't even give you any more respects today!
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#80 | 685 days ago

Quick note, Romney has won the 2nd Congressional District in Nebraska. He's up 163-162 in the Electoral College at this moment.

Ohio currently shows Obama up 51-48 with 51% in, about 99k votes ahead.

Obama started the night with a huge lead because the early votes were counted first. It has been shrinking since today's votes starting being counted. With this, the big thing is how much of the Cleveland/Akron area is yet to be counted. If you're a Democrat, seeing that Cuyahoga Country (Cleveland area) only has 9% in should make you smile. Summit County (which is the Akron/Canton area) has only 19% in. That's a very Democratic area, trust me. Hamilton County (Cincinnati area) is only 18% in. Obama won the alleged bell weather in Sandusky County. I don't see a lot of red counties with a lot left to report.
#81 | 685 days ago

richard_cranium wrote:
You have been back less than 3 hours and I can't even give you any more respects today!
The pq's add up you ass. cheeky
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#82 | 685 days ago

Jess wrote:
I haven't been involved in politics much at all until this election (and even then, it's been educating myself on the issues and where the candidates stand on them rather than campaigning)...and I'm terrified.
The older I get, the less terrified I get at the results of Presidential elections.  In the end little to nothing will change.  The world keeps spinning.  Life keeps going.  Political parties will bicker and moan and fans of either side will continue to spout their rhetoric that their side is the ONE side that is great and everyone on the other side is the spawn of Satan.
#83 | 685 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
The pq's add up you ass. cheeky
No they don't!
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#84 | 685 days ago

richard_cranium wrote:
No they don't!
idiot. indecision
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#85 | 685 days ago

kteacher wrote:
P.S.------I'm always nervous on Election night. 

Really really really hope a couple important props in California pass. 
32 is the one I am REALLY hoping passes...  But it didn't look likely a few days ago.  I read that polls showed it only had 38-42% in favor depending on what poll you buy.  With only plus minus of 4-6%.   But we can hope they were all wrong...  It's happened before.
#86 | 685 days ago

Forgot to mention that Nebraska Senate was called for Deb Fischer, which is a flip from the Democrats to the GOP.
#87 | 685 days ago

Virginia is currently 50-49 Romney with 74% in. I'll note that there are reports people are still voting in this state.

As I said before, the key is Northern Virginia, and they are slow to report. They're starting to come in now, which is why it's getting closer. It's going to be tight.

Kaine now leads Allen by less than 20,000 votes.
#88 | 685 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
Ok deep breathe, McCaskill was just announced the winner. The Democrats will retain control of the senate. 


And a message to a**h***s like Todd Akin. Go f**K yourself.
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#89 | 685 days ago

OK, time to dive into the gay marriage votes. First, two quick calls: Arizona to Romney, Minnesota to Obama. Romney leads 174-172. He will lose the lead at 11 pm.

In Maine, gay marriage is leading 53-47 with 23% in.

In Minnesota, the gay marriage ban is losing 54-43 with 13% in.

In my state of Maryland, gay marriage is leading 51-49 with 51% in, only about 30k votes ahead.

My county Montgomery is going to be one the biggest backers. It's 50% in and 66-34 for. Baltimore City is 40% in and is 57-43 for. Baltimore County is 51-49 for with 69% in. Howard is only 7% in, but is 61-39 for. That's a very African American county, and let me be frank, black churches are the only reason this isn't a lock. Anne Arundel doesn't have a lot in, and so far that is in favor. Prince George's in also very African American. It currently has 33% in and it's 51-49 against. The rural counties are all against in some form, but all are more than half counted, and don't have nearly as many people are the counties I mentioned my name.
#90 | 685 days ago

Romney has won Missouri.
#91 | 685 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Romney has won Missouri.
I blame Glenda!
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#92 | 685 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
Closing at 11 pm eastern: California, Hawaii, Idaho, Oregon, Washington

Here is what to watch:

California Prop 32 (short version: severe curtails of union spending on campaigns, no restrictions at all for corporations and SuperPACS, yuck)
California Prop 34 (eliminating the death penalty)
California Prop 36 (end of three strikes law)
California Prop 37 (requires labeling of genetically modified foods)
Oregon Measure 80 (legalizing marijuana)
Washington Referendum 74 (allowing same sex marriage)
Washington Initiative 502 (legalizing marijuana)
#93 | 685 days ago

Call time:

Obama has won California, Washington, and of course Hawaii.
Romney has won Idaho.
Oregon is too early to call. Obama leading.

Obama 243
Romney 188
#94 | 685 days ago

NBC has called North Carolina for Romney, saying he is the "apparently" win. He absolutely had to have that one.

Obama 243
Romney 203
#95 | 685 days ago

First, huge Senate call: Tim Kaine wins in Virginia.

Quick update of all the swing states left.

Colorado: 51-47 Obama, 67% in

Florida: 50-49 Obama, 90% in

Iowa: 55-44 Obama, 51% in

Nevada: 63-34 Romney, 1% in

Ohio: 50-48 Obama, 68% in

Virginia: 50-49, 77% in
#96 | 685 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
NBC just called Iowa for Obama, as well as Oregon. Wisconsin has been called for Obama in various places. The President is at 256 electoral votes. We're getting closer.
#97 | 685 days ago

ML31 wrote:
32 is the one I am REALLY hoping passes...  But it didn't look likely a few days ago.  I read that polls showed it only had 38-42% in favor depending on what poll you buy.  With only plus minus of 4-6%.   But we can hope they were all wrong...  It's happened before.
Have you seen who is backing this prop? The ads say it will take the unions and corporations out of politics.....yeah...no. Funny thing union members can already not have their money used for political reasons...................this prop is strictly against unions. It will NOT prevent corporations from contributing anything. Seems kind of lopsided to me. 
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#98 | 685 days ago

BREAKING NEWS

NBC News has called the state of Ohio for President Obama. That gives him 274 electoral votes.

Barack Obama has been reelected President of the United States.
#99 | 685 days ago

If you don't trust NBC, FOX has also called Ohio and the election for the President.
#100 | 685 days ago

(Edited by kobe_lova)
Phew.


It's going to be so quiet at my job again tomorrow. :)
#101 | 685 days ago

kteacher wrote:
Have you seen who is backing this prop? The ads say it will take the unions and corporations out of politics.....yeah...no. Funny thing union members can already not have their money used for political reasons...................this prop is strictly against unions. It will NOT prevent corporations from contributing anything. Seems kind of lopsided to me. 
Have you seen who is funding 90% of the No on 32?   I back it because I want to control where my money gets spent.  Period.  The ironic thing is that my money has been used to fund the no on 32 campaign. 

I am aware of the 1988 Beck decision.  Funny thing...  Although unions are legally required to inform their members of their Beck rights, I never heard of them when I got hired.  I found out about them years later.  When I asked my union steward about my Beck rights she had no clue what I was talking about.  It is a law that is either not enforced or Unions have ways of getting around it.

Prop 32 is 100% fair for union members.  It requires them to give a percentage of dues back to members on an annual basis.  And if you are OK with how the union is spending then you must give them written permission to keep it.

I fail to see what is so unfair about that...
#102 | 685 days ago

For the record, I'll still be around to report and analyze more results until I'm too drunk and tired to go on. I've definitely here until the gay marriage law in Maryland is decided.
#103 | 685 days ago

While we're celebrating stuff, let me point out that Rep. Joe "Deadbeat Piece of Crap" Walsh has lost to double amputee and war hero Tammy Duckworth. Couldn't have happened to a bigger **ick.
#104 | 685 days ago

(Edited by kobe_lova)
What channel is Fox News on Comcast? I've never turned to it. My tv may have banned it because I can't find it
Found it!
#105 | 685 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Have you seen who is funding 90% of the No on 32?   I back it because I want to control where my money gets spent.  Period.  The ironic thing is that my money has been used to fund the no on 32 campaign. 

I am aware of the 1988 Beck decision.  Funny thing...  Although unions are legally required to inform their members of their Beck rights, I never heard of them when I got hired.  I found out about them years later.  When I asked my union steward about my Beck rights she had no clue what I was talking about.  It is a law that is either not enforced or Unions have ways of getting around it.

Prop 32 is 100% fair for union members.  It requires them to give a percentage of dues back to members on an annual basis.  And if you are OK with how the union is spending then you must give them written permission to keep it.

I fail to see what is so unfair about that...
of course
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#106 | 685 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:
What channel is Fox News on Comcast? I've never turned to it. My tv may have banned it because I can't find it
Found it!
Fox News is set up so minorities, gays, and atheists can not watch it.
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#107 | 685 days ago

kteacher wrote:
of course
Of course you know who is funding the no on 32?  Then I hope you can see the irony...


BTW...  13% reporting No on 32 is leading 51-49%.  Closer than I thought it would be... 
#108 | 684 days ago

Here's a quick summary of what's left.

President:

Colorado: 51-47 Obama, 70% in

Florida: 50-49 Obama, 91% in (about 48k votes ahead)

Nevada: 54-44 Obama, 63% in (CNN called this at some point in the last half hour)

Virginia: 50-49 Obama, 86% in (about 24k votes ahead)

Senate:

Arizona: 51-45 Flake (R), 57% in

Montana: 54-41 Tester (D), 16% in

Nevada: 48-44 Berkley (D), 62% in

North Dakota: 50-50, 77% in (Berg, the Republican, leads by 510 votes)

House:

FL-18: 50-50, 96% in (Allen West leads by around 1400 votes)

IL-08: 55-45 Duckworth (D), 96% in, called

IA-04: 55-43 King (R), called for King (damn)

MA-06: 48-47 Tierney (D), 97% in

MI-11: 50-44 Bentivolio (R), 77% in

MN-06: 51-49 Bachmann (R), 45% in (approx. 2300 vote lead)

Hold on, I'll finish this in a minute...
#109 | 684 days ago

The Washington Post just called it. Same sex marriage passes in Maryland. CNN.com has it at 52-48 with 86% in right now.

I've never been prouder to be a resident of Maryland.
#110 | 684 days ago

richard_cranium wrote:
I blame Glenda!
indecision





crap. 
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#111 | 684 days ago

Let me finish the House races that matter.

NH-01: 48-47 Shea-Porter (D), 62% in

OH-09: 71-25 Kaptur (D), 51% in (Kaptur won obviously, I add this because her opponent was Joe the Plumber)

OH-16: 52-48 Renacci (R), 77% in

PA-12: 51-49 Rothfus (R), 97% in, called for Rothfus (this is a flip, and given that's it's the area I went to college at, I'm not surprised)

UT-04: 51-46 Matheson (D), 20% in

WI-01: 58-40 Ryan (R), 62% in, called for Ryan (dang)
#112 | 684 days ago

(Edited by kobe_lova)
richard_cranium wrote:
Fox News is set up so minorities, gays, and atheists can not watch it.
Oh sh**, I snorted!





(Stoney, whatever your governor is wearing on his head has made my last 10 minutes)

You know who should do some of these election reports... that dude from Inside the Actor's Studio. I would enjoy that. 
#113 | 684 days ago

Same sex marriage in Maine is up 54-46 with 48% in.

Massachusetts passed a referendum allowing for medical marijuana.

The Minnesota amendment to ban same sex marriage is losing 49-47 with 47% in.

Oregon's measure to legalize marijuana is losing 55-45 with 47% in.

Colorado's amendment to legalize marijuana is up 53-47 with 44% in, and many outlets have called it saying it passed.

Washington's referendum legalizing same sex marriage is up 52-48 with 50% in.

Washington's initiative to legalize marijuana is up 55-45 with 50% in.
#114 | 684 days ago

Maine and Washington are probably going to join us later tonight (it may have been called in Maine by now), but again I want to point out. Maryland is now the first state to pass same sex marriage via the ballot.

Nevada has been called for Obama, and Fox at least has called Colorado for Obama. He now has 289, and doesn't even need Ohio to win. Romney can go ahead and call the President any time now.
#115 | 684 days ago

With 17% reporting, Prop 32 is failing with only 48.6 in favor.  Still closer than the polls showed earlier this week.  But failing is still failing.  Also with about the same % reporting all propositions to increase taxes seem to be failing as well....
#116 | 684 days ago

At this point, only Florida and Virginia remain in doubt in the Presidential race (well, technically Alaska too, but at 1 am that will go to Romney). It's currently 290-203 Obama. Obama has taken the lead in the popular vote, so everyone can shut up about that.

Some Senate calls: Arizona to Republican Jeff Flake, and New Mexico to Democrat Martin Heinrich. There are three seats left undecided- Nevada, North Dakota, and Montana. It's currently 52 Dem, 44 Rep, 1 Ind (who is expected to caucus with the Dems).

Allen West is currently losing by almost 1000 votes exactly. Michelle Bachmann leads by just 120 votes. Those two going down would be icing on the cake.
#117 | 684 days ago

NBC is being slow to call things, but most others have called Virginia for Obama. He is up to 303 EVs, and will finish with that or 332 depending on Florida.

It's being reported that Romney has called President Obama to concede, and Romney will speak at 12:55.
#118 | 684 days ago

Forgot to mention another historic moment. Tammy Baldwin will become the first openly gay senator.

In the three Senate races left, Tester leads 54-43, but it's still early. Heller has taken the lead in Nevada by 2600 votes with 85% in. Heidi Heitkamp still leads in North Dakota by 2000 votes with 89% in.

Miami-Dade County has stopped counting for the night, so don't expect a call in Florida tonight.
#119 | 684 days ago

Up to 20% returning and Prop 32 has dropped another 10th of a percentage point.  Down to 48.3% in favor.  
But the two tax increasing propositions are still failing.  30 is failing with 48.5% in favor and 38 is failing with a mere  25.6% in favor!
#120 | 684 days ago

(Edited by ML31)
OK...  With 22% reporting Prop 32 has fallen to 48.2.  Again, much closer than anticipated.  But that gap just looks too big to recover unless some weird statistical anomaly occurs.  Not too bad though considering how much was spent to kill it.  I think this result warrants another attempt in the future. 
But let's be honest...  It's pathetic that we need to pass a state law merely to enforce an existing Federal law. 
#121 | 684 days ago

Washington's same sex law is up 52-48 with half the precincts in.

Obama is now on stage to give his acceptance speech. With that, I'm done for the night. I hope you all enjoyed my foray into punditry. It's been fun, if exhausting.
#122 | 684 days ago

(Edited by janet011685)
marcus_nyce wrote:
QMZ UPDATE: As of about 10AM Nate Silver - fivethirtyeight - (and no relation to David Silver unfortunately) has the electoral votes 313 - 225 , 90.9% chance of winning and 50.8% of the popular vote. Small uptick for Mittens, but B-Money's still kinda out front.

More on this as it develops. We also be bringing you Q-lebrity reactions and what the Q is wearing to vote!

###30###
Fleece pants and a hoodie (stfu, I couldn't do laundry for almost a week, be glad I at least showered).

PS - Linda McMahon is such a c**t, I'm so glad she lost.
PPS - Goooooo Elizabeth Warren!  Wasn't long ago everyone was touting Scott Brown as the next big player for the GOP.  That makes me giggle now.
PPPS - Gooooooo Obama!
#123 | 684 days ago

Jess wrote:
Not until they drop the puck on the ice and guys start beating each other up to get it into the net. At that point, I win. 
Jess i heel you, that isgood talk up man united more goals to come
#124 | 684 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Washington's same sex law is up 52-48 with half the precincts in.

Obama is now on stage to give his acceptance speech. With that, I'm done for the night. I hope you all enjoyed my foray into punditry. It's been fun, if exhausting.
You did well. I couldn't watch it on tv, I just couldn't... (people to kill and all), so your updates were great! Gracias.
#125 | 684 days ago

Jess wrote:
Not until they drop the puck on the ice and guys start beating each other up to get it into the net. At that point, I win. 
Hy Jesse, God Bess! love you, Grandmother. are the "Ga. Tec. still good?
#126 | 684 days ago
Nick__ (+)

I'm moving to Colorado!  cool
#127 | 684 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
Now that I've eaten lunch, time to continue to finish the last results.

Florida has 97% in, and Obama leads 50-49, a total of about 47000 votes.

All the Senate races have been decided. In Nevada, Dean Heller has been reelected. In Montana, Jon Tester has been reelected, a huge hold for the Democrats. Finally, in North Dakota, Rick Berg has conceded to Democrat Heidi Heitkamp. Heitkamp leads by just 3000 votes, but the concession has been made.

This means the Senate is as such:

Democratic 54
Republican 45
Independent 1

After a map that looked impossible, the Democrats only lost one state (Nebraska) and gained two (Indiana and Massachusetts). If Angus King caucuses with the Democrats, then the Democrats will have *gained* two seats in this election, which is just incredible. Sen. Patty Murray, head of the DSCC right now, did a great job recruiting candidates (and yes, they got lucky with the meltdowns of Messers Akin and Mourdock).

Also, there are now 20 women in the Senate.

Turning to the House quick, which overall the Dems look like they gained a few seats, but not nearly enough to take back the majority. Unfortunately, Michelle Bachmann pulled out her race. On the plus side, Allen West is down about 2500 votes with 100% in. He has not conceded and a call hasn't been made, but it looks good. Once that becomes official, we might not see Laurel for a couple of days.
#128 | 684 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
One last look at the ballot measures left.

I'm not sure exactly how much of the vote has been counted (CNN says 91% for president, 89% for Senate), but Michigan's emergency manager law is losing by a tiny margin, around 63000 votes. Here's hoping that holds.

Florida rejected an amendment calling for no public funds for abortion 55-45.

Maine passed same sex marriage 53-47. Washington passed same sex marriage 52-48, and Minnesota's attempt to ban same sex marriage failed 49-51. After never winning ever at the ballot box, same sex marriage went 4-0 last night.

Washington joined Colorado is legalizing marijuana. Nationally though it's still criminalized.

Finally, in California:

Prop 30 passed 54-46, which Becky is happy about it. Prop 32 went down hard 44-56, also a plus. Prop 36 passed easily, changing the three strikes law.

On the negative side, Prop 34 to end the death penalty failed 47-53, and Prop 37 to label genetically modified foods also failed 47-53.
#129 | 684 days ago

I wonder if the local news here is just trying to create drama - KOMO 4 just now said that they have still only counted 51.3% of the votes and R-74 (legalizing same sex marriage) hasn't been called yet.
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#130 | 684 days ago

(Edited by ML31)
Prop 30 was failing when I went to bed last night but was close.  Ended up with a fairly wide margin.  Which is unfortunate for taxpayers in the Golden State.  But we did it to ourselves....

Prop 32, which figured to be defeated ultimately grew an even bigger deficit overnight.  Good news for labor political spending.  Bad news for working families having a say in what their money does.  Hopefully backers of this will keep trying...

Prop 36...  Amending the 3 strikes law passed big with 68.6%.  While 3 strikes was indeed working a legitimate argument could be made for redefining what crimes constituted a 3rd strike.

Prop 39 passed pretty big.  (60.1%)   Requiring multi-state businesses to pay taxes based on a % of sales in State.  Business pulling jobs out of CA may not happen, but there is great potential for this to.  Making the net effect of this prop LESS revenue for the cash strapped state.

Prop 38...  (Saved this bit of good news for last) A 2nd tax for schools initiative failed miserably 27.7-72.3.  So there is reason not to abandon all hope for CA.
#131 | 684 days ago

Jess wrote:
I wonder if the local news here is just trying to create drama - KOMO 4 just now said that they have still only counted 51.3% of the votes and R-74 (legalizing same sex marriage) hasn't been called yet.
I was looking at the Washington Secretary of State's office, and I think I misintepreted. There's still half the vote to be counted for some reason. What's taking the state so long? Oregon's moving right along and they're all mail-in too.

Anyway, that means it's time to deep dive. With it already ahead 52-48, it looks like the firewall will be King County. There's still half the vote to be counted there and it's currently up 65-35 there. It looks like most of the counties in the whole state are half counted or a little more. It's pretty proportional, which is good news for same sex marriage.
#132 | 684 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I was looking at the Washington Secretary of State's office, and I think I misintepreted. There's still half the vote to be counted for some reason. What's taking the state so long? Oregon's moving right along and they're all mail-in too.

Anyway, that means it's time to deep dive. With it already ahead 52-48, it looks like the firewall will be King County. There's still half the vote to be counted there and it's currently up 65-35 there. It looks like most of the counties in the whole state are half counted or a little more. It's pretty proportional, which is good news for same sex marriage.
I'm not sure - ours had to be postmarked by Nov. 6 (I wonder if Oregon's deadline was earlier?)

This is good news - because King County is where Seattle is, which is the more liberally populated area in Washington.
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#133 | 684 days ago

I'm pleased with many of the outcomes and nationally hope the government can get back to work and actually get some things done. Locally, I'm embarrassed that Michelle Bachmann won again. How freaking weird does she have to get for that district to get rid of her? She's crazy!! It was so close....sorry I don't live in that district and could've helped...wait, I'm glad I don't live in that district.

I did tune into CNN, CBS, FNC and MSNBC throughout the night and didn't do much else once I got home around 9pm. This is like a huge sporting event for one night!

LOVED it! yes
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#134 | 684 days ago

(Edited by kantwistaye)
I just want to say I called 303 EVs for Obama with a hedging on Florida which was turned out to still be 100% true. laugh

But far more importantly, there were some amazing civil rights wins last night. My state voted in the first openly gay Senator ever (and replaced her House seat with an openly gay man).  3 states legalized gay marriage and another voted against a gay marriage ban.  Minnesota even voted against a voter ID prop, and Colorado and Washington voted to curb the war on drugs.

Beyond that, the working and middle class got the best voice they could ever hope for in the Senate in Elizabeth Warren.  All in all, a great night.
#135 | 684 days ago

CNBC     Fiscal cliff insanity vs facts
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#136 | 684 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
I just want to say I called 303 EVs for Obama with a hedging on Florida which was turned out to still be 100% true. laugh

But far more importantly, there were some amazing civil rights wins last night. My state voted in the first openly gay Senator ever (and replaced her House seat with an openly gay man).  3 states legalized gay marriage and another voted against a gay marriage ban.  Minnesota even voted against a voter ID prop, and Colorado and Washington voted to curb the war on drugs.

Beyond that, the working and middle class got the best voice they could ever hope for in the Senate in Elizabeth Warren.  All in all, a great night.
Nicely done. I guess I shouldn't be shocked I was too pessimistic. For president I definitely missed Colorado and possibly Florida. In the Senate, I missed Indiana, as well as Montana and North Dakota (I predicted both those to flip, which no one saw because that post kept getting eaten). Needless to say, I'm fine with being wrong.
#137 | 684 days ago

(Edited by Jess)
I just now checked out some of the measures in other states that didn't involve marijuana or gay marriage....some interesting stuff indecision
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#138 | 683 days ago

IT'S OVER!!  OBAMA WON!!!!!

Oh..you knew that. 

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#139 | 683 days ago

I_Bleed_Purple wrote:
I'm pleased with many of the outcomes and nationally hope the government can get back to work and actually get some things done. Locally, I'm embarrassed that Michelle Bachmann won again. How freaking weird does she have to get for that district to get rid of her? She's crazy!! It was so close....sorry I don't live in that district and could've helped...wait, I'm glad I don't live in that district.

I did tune into CNN, CBS, FNC and MSNBC throughout the night and didn't do much else once I got home around 9pm. This is like a huge sporting event for one night!

LOVED it! yes
Honest to God, I never thought there was a woman in the world that could make Sarah Palin look intelligent, then I heard Michelle Bachman speak. sad
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#140 | 682 days ago

ohwell_ wrote:
It's always a clusterf*ck in Palm Beach County.

Broken scanners for the ballots.
No ballots at polling locations til 8:30
Missing Page 1 (Presidential page) at another.
Wrong polling locations on ID cards. 
Occupy Palm Beach has lawyers on call and at polling locations with problems.
As usual, Florida at the top of the list of voting irregularities. And this time, no Jeb Bush to help them out. Governor Rick Scott, the love child of Voldemoort and Skeletor, has been keeping a really low profile since he got nailed by the state supreme court for his voter purging being declared illegal in a blatant attempt at voter suppression in counties that vote heavily for Democrats.
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#141 | 682 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Call time.

Obama wins Michigan. Swing state my ass.
Wisconsin is too early to call, but Obama is leading. Arizona is too early to call, but Romney is leading. Minnesota is also too early to call, with Obama leading.
Colorado is too close to call.
Romney wins Texas, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska (but not the 2nd congressional district, no call there), North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming.
Obama wins New York and New Mexico.

They've now called New Jersey for Obama.

Romney 153
Obama 128
Funny thing is, Michigan is where Romney was born. Pretty bad when you can't carry your birthstate in the run to the White House. Then again, the Salt Lake City Register endorsed Obama, sooooooooo......
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#142 | 682 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I'm ready for my first deep dive of the current results, starting with the presidential race in Florida. There's already 55% in and it's Obama 51-48, a roughly 150k lead.

The big thing right now is early votes gets counted first, so that's an early advantage Obama. Romney can take heart in that the panhandle was the last part of Florida where polls closed, so that's still mostly uncounted. However, Broward and Miami-Dade counties have barely reported anything yet, and the margins for Obama are already big. Palm Beach county has 32% in. I'm not well versed in the rest of the state to know if either has an advantage yet, but Obama definitely has a shot. Laurel if you could add anything, it would be much appreciated.
I am one of those early votes for Obama. Only Democrat I didn't vote for at all (being a true-Blue Liberal Democrat, through and through) was Broward State Attorney--douchebag has been in office for 35 years and only once has prosecuted someone in local Government for corruption. And only because the F. B. I. brought the case to him. Stupid, greedy, corrupt son of a b*tch needs to be unemployed.

Plus note, the Broward Sheriff, Republican Al Lamberti, got soundly beaten, which means the culture of corruption with the Broward Sheriff's Office will change. About damned time!!!!!
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#143 | 682 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Here's a quick summary of what's left.

President:

Colorado: 51-47 Obama, 70% in

Florida: 50-49 Obama, 91% in (about 48k votes ahead)

Nevada: 54-44 Obama, 63% in (CNN called this at some point in the last half hour)

Virginia: 50-49 Obama, 86% in (about 24k votes ahead)

Senate:

Arizona: 51-45 Flake (R), 57% in

Montana: 54-41 Tester (D), 16% in

Nevada: 48-44 Berkley (D), 62% in

North Dakota: 50-50, 77% in (Berg, the Republican, leads by 510 votes)

House:

FL-18: 50-50, 96% in (Allen West leads by around 1400 votes)

IL-08: 55-45 Duckworth (D), 96% in, called

IA-04: 55-43 King (R), called for King (damn)

MA-06: 48-47 Tierney (D), 97% in

MI-11: 50-44 Bentivolio (R), 77% in

MN-06: 51-49 Bachmann (R), 45% in (approx. 2300 vote lead)

Hold on, I'll finish this in a minute...
Thank God Allen West lost. We don't need his yellow bus special brand of stupidity (actual quote from him: "Democrats are space aliens that eat babies") in Congress anymore. Now maybe, he can go swimming of the Bahamas, and cut himself in the process so the sharks can eat him. I know, it seems unfair and cruel thing to do to the sharks, but..........
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#144 | 682 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
Washington's same sex law is up 52-48 with half the precincts in.

Obama is now on stage to give his acceptance speech. With that, I'm done for the night. I hope you all enjoyed my foray into punditry. It's been fun, if exhausting.
you rock, bro. Not sure I could have done it.
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#145 | 679 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
As I'm sure you all know by now, Florida was called for Obama, making the final electoral score Obama 332 Romney 206. Obama leads the popular vote 51-48. Remember that when conservatives try to call this a "squeaker."

The House right now is 240-190 GOP with 5 seats undecided. Also, remember when I said Mia Love would defeat Democratic Rep. Jim Matheson? Whoops, I got that wrong. Matheson again survives.

One big negative is Republicans regained control of the Wisconsin State Senate. Walker and his cronies are in full control again.

So, what have we learned?

The GOP has a demographics problem. It's clear as day now that the GOP can not solely court white men (and married white females) and succeed long term. The country is not lily white enough anymore to do that. That said, there is a corollary with this that concerns Democrats.

The Democratic voting coalition doesn't always vote. This is a problem with the midterms election. The Democratic voting bloc has no problems voting in presidential years. During midterms though, they don't vote with the same fervor, while the Republican base of angry white men always always vote. This is best seen through the 2010 elections, and it will be very important in 2014. I've seen the Senate map, and it's dangerous for Democrats.

SuperPACs were a bust. All that Super PAC money the Republicans spent, and they didn't win a thing. Karl Rove did not support a single winning candidate. Do I think that means the dark money is neutralized? No. They will regroup, but it was nice to see that maybe the influence of dark money isn't as big as I feared.

The onus of "working together" is on the Republicans. Or at least how it should be. I'm already hearing garbage from the gobshites about the need for both parties to work together or some crap like that. Of course, somehow that's the President's problem even though he tried to reach out and got rebuffed every time. Funny how the media never ever punishes Republicans for their obstruction. I personally want the Democrats to tell Boehner and McConnell to go pound sand, even on this "fiscal cliff" thing, but I'd settle for the GOP getting the pressure to compromise for once.

I'll leave this thread open for a while. A new thread for expectations of the second term will be put up at some point, but I want to hold off unless things really start moving with the fiscal cliff.
#146 | 678 days ago

This little tid bit will likely be ignored but it is a fact...  More than 3 million registered Republicans stayed home.  Which is unusual for that party.  Assuming they all would have voted 'R' things would have been closer still.  A number of states could have swayed Romney's way.  Not saying Obama wouldn't have won the electoral college but it would have made the popular vote a statistical dead heat.
The problem I see with the Republican Party at this point is it's a Party divided.  The "angry white male" thing is hogwash and anyone who refers them in that way just doesn't get it.  And if they are serious about the reference, they never will.  It's just as ludicrous as calling Democrats the party of hippie, druggie flower children. 
There are a number of theories about why such a large amount didn't bother to vote.  Latino's  who generally vote Republican didn't this time around as well. The reasons for that are being analyzed.  There are others who think there is a divide between the hard rights and the more centered right.  I suspect that for the first time many hard righties simply stayed home as they really did not care for the more centered Romney.  Something I honestly never thought they would do given their attitude towards the other party.  It will be interesting to see how they react.  This may be a low water mark for them.  Obama almost all but handed the Presidency to whoever was running based on the crappy economy.  For the first time since FDR a President was re-elected with unemployment over 7%.
In the meantime, California swings even further to the left than they already were.  I remember when California used to be a moderate state.  After this election Democrats have a super majority in the State Senate.  Meaning they have no need to sway Republicans for tax increases.  The only hope here is that historically Democrats when they have total control they have often failed to work together for some reason.  But then, history was thrown out the window in this election.

I suspect that in the Mid-Term elections things will swing back towards the middle somewhat in DC.  They usually do.  But then, betting on past trends has not panned out lately.  And here in California, I wouldn't count in it either.

My 2 cents.
#147 | 678 days ago

ML31 wrote:
This little tid bit will likely be ignored but it is a fact...  More than 3 million registered Republicans stayed home.  Which is unusual for that party.  Assuming they all would have voted 'R' things would have been closer still.  A number of states could have swayed Romney's way.  Not saying Obama wouldn't have won the electoral college but it would have made the popular vote a statistical dead heat.
The problem I see with the Republican Party at this point is it's a Party divided.  The "angry white male" thing is hogwash and anyone who refers them in that way just doesn't get it.  And if they are serious about the reference, they never will.  It's just as ludicrous as calling Democrats the party of hippie, druggie flower children. 
There are a number of theories about why such a large amount didn't bother to vote.  Latino's  who generally vote Republican didn't this time around as well. The reasons for that are being analyzed.  There are others who think there is a divide between the hard rights and the more centered right.  I suspect that for the first time many hard righties simply stayed home as they really did not care for the more centered Romney.  Something I honestly never thought they would do given their attitude towards the other party.  It will be interesting to see how they react.  This may be a low water mark for them.  Obama almost all but handed the Presidency to whoever was running based on the crappy economy.  For the first time since FDR a President was re-elected with unemployment over 7%.
In the meantime, California swings even further to the left than they already were.  I remember when California used to be a moderate state.  After this election Democrats have a super majority in the State Senate.  Meaning they have no need to sway Republicans for tax increases.  The only hope here is that historically Democrats when they have total control they have often failed to work together for some reason.  But then, history was thrown out the window in this election.

I suspect that in the Mid-Term elections things will swing back towards the middle somewhat in DC.  They usually do.  But then, betting on past trends has not panned out lately.  And here in California, I wouldn't count in it either.

My 2 cents.
Mittens outperformed a lot of down ballot candidates. He wasn't the problem. Its the hardcore ideology the down ballot candidates have that turn people off that hurt the party. And if you don't think the GOP is the party of ederly white men, I suggest you look at the electoral demographics. That's all the GOP is winning.
#148 | 678 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
Mittens outperformed a lot of down ballot candidates. He wasn't the problem. Its the hardcore ideology the down ballot candidates have that turn people off that hurt the party. And if you don't think the GOP is the party of ederly white men, I suggest you look at the electoral demographics. That's all the GOP is winning.
By "down ballot candidates" do you mean State and local candidates?  If so, then all you really did was agree with what I wrote.  That the Party is divided. 
Except for the part where you buy into the overly simplistic cliche of Republicans being nothing but "elderly white men".  
#149 | 678 days ago

I think I see more of "democrats (or everyone who voted Obama) are nothing but unemployed idiots living off the government" than hippies.
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#150 | 678 days ago

ML31 wrote:
This little tid bit will likely be ignored but it is a fact...  More than 3 million registered Republicans stayed home.  Which is unusual for that party.  Assuming they all would have voted 'R' things would have been closer still.  A number of states could have swayed Romney's way.  Not saying Obama wouldn't have won the electoral college but it would have made the popular vote a statistical dead heat.
The problem I see with the Republican Party at this point is it's a Party divided.  The "angry white male" thing is hogwash and anyone who refers them in that way just doesn't get it.  And if they are serious about the reference, they never will.  It's just as ludicrous as calling Democrats the party of hippie, druggie flower children. 
There are a number of theories about why such a large amount didn't bother to vote.  Latino's  who generally vote Republican didn't this time around as well. The reasons for that are being analyzed.  There are others who think there is a divide between the hard rights and the more centered right.  I suspect that for the first time many hard righties simply stayed home as they really did not care for the more centered Romney.  Something I honestly never thought they would do given their attitude towards the other party.  It will be interesting to see how they react.  This may be a low water mark for them.  Obama almost all but handed the Presidency to whoever was running based on the crappy economy.  For the first time since FDR a President was re-elected with unemployment over 7%.
In the meantime, California swings even further to the left than they already were.  I remember when California used to be a moderate state.  After this election Democrats have a super majority in the State Senate.  Meaning they have no need to sway Republicans for tax increases.  The only hope here is that historically Democrats when they have total control they have often failed to work together for some reason.  But then, history was thrown out the window in this election.

I suspect that in the Mid-Term elections things will swing back towards the middle somewhat in DC.  They usually do.  But then, betting on past trends has not panned out lately.  And here in California, I wouldn't count in it either.

My 2 cents.
I gave you a respect for the way you wrote this. Not on what you were saying. 


  This election had nothing to do with people not voting. This election came down to, people did vote. You can come up with one million reasons why the g.o.p. lost this election. And we can come up with one reason why the democrats did.  The time has come for  things to change.  Period, that's it.   Social change, social tolerance, finally putting into place that little part of the constitution that says, ALL men are created EQUAL. 
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#151 | 678 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
I gave you a respect for the way you wrote this. Not on what you were saying. 


  This election had nothing to do with people not voting. This election came down to, people did vote. You can come up with one million reasons why the g.o.p. lost this election. And we can come up with one reason why the democrats did.  The time has come for  things to change.  Period, that's it.   Social change, social tolerance, finally putting into place that little part of the constitution that says, ALL men are created EQUAL. 
Thanks for the respect.  I figured I would just get blasted for what I wrote from the ultra blind lefites around here.  Either that or people would read into the comment something that wasn't even close to what I wrote. 

In response to your comments...   More than 3 million Republicans not voting who have constantly in the past is not something to gloss over as insignificant.  I also do not like this "change" rhetoric.  That's all it is.  Things didn't change 4 years ago because of politics and they won't change now.  Things remain business as usual.  Social change does not happen a result of politics.  It's the other way around.  Things change because we as a people continue to grow and learn.  The laws always come well after the change has been widely accepted.  Not because of the perception of a single political party.
#152 | 678 days ago

Jess wrote:
I think I see more of "democrats (or everyone who voted Obama) are nothing but unemployed idiots living off the government" than hippies.
That too is just as silly as calling all Republicans rich racists.
#153 | 678 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Thanks for the respect.  I figured I would just get blasted for what I wrote from the ultra blind lefites around here.  Either that or people would read into the comment something that wasn't even close to what I wrote. 

In response to your comments...   More than 3 million Republicans not voting who have constantly in the past is not something to gloss over as insignificant.  I also do not like this "change" rhetoric.  That's all it is.  Things didn't change 4 years ago because of politics and they won't change now.  Things remain business as usual.  Social change does not happen a result of politics.  It's the other way around.  Things change because we as a people continue to grow and learn.  The laws always come well after the change has been widely accepted.  Not because of the perception of a single political party.
I believe, that change does happen with politics.  I believe, we seen it in this election. 


When you put money above human rights, you have lost your humanity. 

The g.o.p. needs to learn this. They are killing themselves. 
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#154 | 678 days ago

cubsgirl wrote:
I believe, that change does happen with politics.  I believe, we seen it in this election. 


When you put money above human rights, you have lost your humanity. 

The g.o.p. needs to learn this. They are killing themselves. 
OK.  Believe that.  But don't use this election as evidence of it because it did nothing of the sort.  It will continue to be politics as usual up on the Hill.

The GOP has their problems of course.  But think about what you said...  An entire party's goal is to ignore basic human rights?  They wouldn't even get anywhere near the support they get if that was honestly their intent.  Please get real. 
#155 | 678 days ago

ML31 wrote:
By "down ballot candidates" do you mean State and local candidates?  If so, then all you really did was agree with what I wrote.  That the Party is divided. 
Except for the part where you buy into the overly simplistic cliche of Republicans being nothing but "elderly white men".  
There is some division in the party, but nearlu as much as you state (the Frums, Schmidts, and Powells of the party are powerless). I was saying Mitt Romney outperformed because he was seen less of a Ayn Rand libertarian / social conservative zealot. And I didn't say that's all the Republicans are, but there only significant demographics are white, old, and male, and while that may be silly, its also factually true.
#156 | 678 days ago

kantwistaye wrote:
There is some division in the party, but nearlu as much as you state (the Frums, Schmidts, and Powells of the party are powerless). I was saying Mitt Romney outperformed because he was seen less of a Ayn Rand libertarian / social conservative zealot. And I didn't say that's all the Republicans are, but there only significant demographics are white, old, and male, and while that may be silly, its also factually true.
Actually, given the condition of the economy Romney severely underperformed.  The old white male thing is a cliched stereotype that hard lefties love to cling to.  So I'm not going to attempt to change your perception of that. 
#157 | 678 days ago

Look back at every election since 1964 and you'll see that the deep south states aside from Florida have, for the most part, not been put in the column for the Democrats.  When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, all those southern Dixiecrats were suddenly Republicans.  It IS about race.  There was even a member of the Republican party on MSNBC a week or two before the election that said "The majority of my party will not vote for Barack Obama because of the color of his skin."  A Republican admitted that, so saying race has nothing to do with it is very wrong.
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#158 | 678 days ago

kramer wrote:
Look back at every election since 1964 and you'll see that the deep south states aside from Florida have, for the most part, not been put in the column for the Democrats.  When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, all those southern Dixiecrats were suddenly Republicans.  It IS about race.  There was even a member of the Republican party on MSNBC a week or two before the election that said "The majority of my party will not vote for Barack Obama because of the color of his skin."  A Republican admitted that, so saying race has nothing to do with it is very wrong.
No, it's not about race.  There are plenty of southern Democrats who think the same way.  My Uncle, for example.  Grew up in rural Alabama.  Registered Democrat.  Has boasted that he has voted democratic for President of decades.  Not so in '08.  Has gone Republican ever since.  The man is a racist and he just couldn't bring himself to vote for a black man.  But those people are few and becoming fewer as society grows and gets over such backwards thinking.
#159 | 678 days ago

I'd like to believe that, but I don't.  I've seen racism first hand at my job from patients, one specifically who was supposed to be transported by a guy I trained, a young black guy, and she said "I don't want you or none of your kind touching me."  It still exists, she's living proof.  I've seen comments on this site about our President that wouldn't have been said if he were white.
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#160 | 678 days ago

See?   This is why it is not a good thing to make blanket statements about an entire group of people.  Democrats like to say they are open minded and yet....
#161 | 678 days ago

I'm very open-minded.  I was always taught to respect everyone, and be tolerant, and I am.  However, I do not respect someone who belittles me for my opinions and beliefs.  I gave you a real-life example of how racism is still around, I didn't make that up.  The dispatcher, who has now since retired, actually sent me to take her back to her room because she requested a white male.  I also sadly have a next door neighbor who, when my mother called the cops on her for loud music in the middle of the night, said "you only hate me because I'm black."  So there are people who play the race card too just because they think they can.  There was a black counselor at my high school who I was warned about before I started there to change counselors if I had her because she was a black woman who refused to help white kids.  All I'm saying is that racism does still exist today, much more than we'd actually like to admit.
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#162 | 678 days ago

Every party likes to say they are a lot of things....."open minded" is an opinion based on your perception.....Congrats again to President Obama!
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#163 | 678 days ago

JenX63 wrote:
Every party likes to say they are a lot of things....."open minded" is an opinion based on your perception.....Congrats again to President Obama!
Precisely, being open-minded has nothing to do with your political stance.  It all stems from your own personal attitude, your beliefs, and your tolerance of others and their ideas.
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#164 | 678 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
ML31 wrote:
This little tid bit will likely be ignored but it is a fact...  More than 3 million registered Republicans stayed home.  Which is unusual for that party.  Assuming they all would have voted 'R' things would have been closer still.  A number of states could have swayed Romney's way.  Not saying Obama wouldn't have won the electoral college but it would have made the popular vote a statistical dead heat.
The problem I see with the Republican Party at this point is it's a Party divided.  The "angry white male" thing is hogwash and anyone who refers them in that way just doesn't get it.  And if they are serious about the reference, they never will.  It's just as ludicrous as calling Democrats the party of hippie, druggie flower children. 
There are a number of theories about why such a large amount didn't bother to vote.  Latino's  who generally vote Republican didn't this time around as well. The reasons for that are being analyzed.  There are others who think there is a divide between the hard rights and the more centered right.  I suspect that for the first time many hard righties simply stayed home as they really did not care for the more centered Romney.  Something I honestly never thought they would do given their attitude towards the other party.  It will be interesting to see how they react.  This may be a low water mark for them.  Obama almost all but handed the Presidency to whoever was running based on the crappy economy.  For the first time since FDR a President was re-elected with unemployment over 7%.
In the meantime, California swings even further to the left than they already were.  I remember when California used to be a moderate state.  After this election Democrats have a super majority in the State Senate.  Meaning they have no need to sway Republicans for tax increases.  The only hope here is that historically Democrats when they have total control they have often failed to work together for some reason.  But then, history was thrown out the window in this election.

I suspect that in the Mid-Term elections things will swing back towards the middle somewhat in DC.  They usually do.  But then, betting on past trends has not panned out lately.  And here in California, I wouldn't count in it either.

My 2 cents.
Got a source for that 3 million statistic?

I have some statistics from the exit polls that show some things (I don't like using exit polls to predict anything, but this is the best we've got for this exercise):
  • Romney won men 52-45
  • Romney won 65 and older voters 56-44
  • Romney won whites 59-39 (McCain won it 55-43)
  • Romney won white men 62-34
  • Romney won whites 65 and older *and* whites 45-64 61-39
  • 88% of Romney's vote came from whites
I was being glib when I said "angry white men," but it's clear that the Republican base is almost entirely white, majority male, and skews elderly.

Who are these Latinos who vote Republican (other than Cubans, I know about that)? Obama won them 71-27, and historically Latinos have gone heavy Democratic (I saw a graph on this a few days ago, but I'm having problems finding it right now). The one exception was the one Republican candidate who didn't treat Latinos like criminals, George W. Bush, and even he only got around 40% of that vote.

From my experience, the hard right was uniform in their hatred of Obama. They would've voted for a cockroach if it was on the Republican ticket. Romney wasn't their favorite, but he worked in a pinch (and remember, they liked and still like Paul Ryan). If down ballot candidates underperformed in relation, it was likely either because they made themselves unelectable (Akin, Mourdock) or just ended up busts as candidates (Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin comes to mind there).

Everything else you've written tonight is just fake centrist hand wringing (that of course never implicates Republicans) that I've long since lost patience for.
#165 | 678 days ago

In the end, Atrios said it best earlier today:

To Cut The Deficit, We'll Begin By Cutting Taxes

 
Just the regular reminder that no one cares about the deficit. The people who claim to most care about it least. They have an agenda - giving more of your money to rich people - and the deficit is the excuse.

I will point out one of those people is Erskine Bowles, who is getting a lot of chatter regarding being the next Treasury Secretary.

We are well and truly screwed. (I warned you all the cynicism came back today.)
#166 | 678 days ago

(Edited by Jess)
In my personal experience, and this is a small sample size, I'm well aware, Mitt Romney wasn't a candidate most moderate republicans could get behind. I personally didn't see a whole lot of Romney support, even from my republican friends who are very loyal to their party. What I did see, was anti-dem, or anti-Obama rhetoric more than pro-Romney. More people wanted Obama out of office for whatever reason; whether it was because of the economy, differing of opinions about the Affordable Health Care Act, or because they think Obama's a Muslim terrorist (my personal favorite), or something else, than wanted Romney in. Many of them would have voted for Snooki if she were on the republican ticket (edit...haha - Eric said a cockroach and I said Snooki - I didn't see that part of his post). Those of my republican friends who didn't feel strongly enough to get Obama out of office just didn't vote. What does that say about Mitt Romney?

What I'm seeing (and correct me if I'm wrong, but obviously Eric's stats above seem to confirm this on some level) is that the republican party is seeming to divide right now between moderate and batsh** crazy extremist. The latter is obviously the most vocal, and maybe they're the ones who mostly turned out to vote R.

Maybe this will emphasize the need for less extremism on both sides, for more viable candidates, or maybe even a third party. I don't know. I don't follow politics closely enough to argue intelligibly. I just know what I hear and see around me.

That said, racism comes in all forms and worked for and against both candidates.  
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#167 | 678 days ago

kramer wrote:
I'm very open-minded.  I was always taught to respect everyone, and be tolerant, and I am.  However, I do not respect someone who belittles me for my opinions and beliefs.  I gave you a real-life example of how racism is still around, I didn't make that up.  The dispatcher, who has now since retired, actually sent me to take her back to her room because she requested a white male.  I also sadly have a next door neighbor who, when my mother called the cops on her for loud music in the middle of the night, said "you only hate me because I'm black."  So there are people who play the race card too just because they think they can.  There was a black counselor at my high school who I was warned about before I started there to change counselors if I had her because she was a black woman who refused to help white kids.  All I'm saying is that racism does still exist today, much more than we'd actually like to admit.
First...   Perhaps you really are the most open-minded person there is.  But the fact remains....  You didn't display it when you blew off my real life example with no reason or cause to. Or, to use your term...  Belittled my opinion or belief.  A respectful or tolerant person wouldn't do that.  
 
Next, I never claimed racism didn't exist.  That subject ends here.
#168 | 678 days ago

Jess wrote:
In my personal experience, and this is a small sample size, I'm well aware, Mitt Romney wasn't a candidate most moderate republicans could get behind. I personally didn't see a whole lot of Romney support, even from my republican friends who are very loyal to their party. What I did see, was anti-dem, or anti-Obama rhetoric more than pro-Romney. More people wanted Obama out of office for whatever reason; whether it was because of the economy, differing of opinions about the Affordable Health Care Act, or because they think Obama's a Muslim terrorist (my personal favorite), or something else, than wanted Romney in. Many of them would have voted for Snooki if she were on the republican ticket (edit...haha - Eric said a cockroach and I said Snooki - I didn't see that part of his post). Those of my republican friends who didn't feel strongly enough to get Obama out of office just didn't vote. What does that say about Mitt Romney?

What I'm seeing (and correct me if I'm wrong, but obviously Eric's stats above seem to confirm this on some level) is that the republican party is seeming to divide right now between moderate and batsh** crazy extremist. The latter is obviously the most vocal, and maybe they're the ones who mostly turned out to vote R.

Maybe this will emphasize the need for less extremism on both sides, for more viable candidates, or maybe even a third party. I don't know. I don't follow politics closely enough to argue intelligibly. I just know what I hear and see around me.

That said, racism comes in all forms and worked for and against both candidates.  
Careful...   That is sounding like fake centrist hand wringing.  Some people have a real hard time with that...
#169 | 678 days ago

Trollololololololololol
#170 | 677 days ago

I don't understand y'all sometimes.
#171 | 677 days ago

You know what I love? The people that come into a political thread and spout whatever and when another shows them they are wrong screams: "I'm being Persecuted for my beliefs" when in fact if they would quit looking down their nose at the rest of us they would realize they are just our equal not our superior.

Jess you made some good points. The Republicans spent so much time on doing nothing instead of looking for a worthy candidate. They had 4 years and chose to do nothing. What does that say? 
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#172 | 677 days ago

ML31 wrote:
First...   Perhaps you really are the most open-minded person there is.  But the fact remains....  You didn't display it when you blew off my real life example with no reason or cause to. Or, to use your term...  Belittled my opinion or belief.  A respectful or tolerant person wouldn't do that.  
 
Next, I never claimed racism didn't exist.  That subject ends here.
You gave me a real life example in an effort to prove your point.  I in turn gave you 3 real life examples of my own in an effort to prove my point.  If that is "blowing off" what you said, you have a very awkwardly skewed view of the term "belittling."  You did not say it didn't exist, but tried to make the point that it's not as common as it used to be.  I simply gave you reasons as to why it is still much more prevalent than we want to admit.  You're always asking people to back up what they say.  I did that before you even asked for it.  So I guess until you actually ASK people for factual examples, they can't respond to you with that because that's "belittling" you.  THAT subject now ends here.
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#173 | 677 days ago

(Edited by Jess)
ML31 wrote:
Careful...   That is sounding like fake centrist hand wringing.  Some people have a real hard time with that...
Nah, I never claimed to be centrist..I mean, maybe at one point years ago but now that I know more about each party and where their focus is, and which one tends to reflect my own personal values and what's important to me, I know where I fit. I'm ok with leaning (a lot) to the left, even if people do call me a hippie or liberal. 

*edit to clarify* - I know that I said we need less extremism on each side, but I don't necessarily think that means we need someone right down the middle. Even if the Tea Party ends up being the third party and the republican goes back to being more moderate, you still don't have a "middle". There are still going to be those who lean left and those who lean right.

One of my close friends (who happens to be republican) and I were having a conversation after the election about some of the name calling going around. He made a great point, I think, and I wish more people could see this:

Tides are changing and the day of conservatism is dead. It is a normal progression. Some on my side of the aisle just can't accept it. So they throw labels around.
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#174 | 677 days ago

In the last two days, this is what the losing Republican ticket said about why they lost.

Paul Ryan said it wasn't his budget plans, it was Obama getting a high "urban vote."

Today, Romney said it was because of "gifts" Obama gave out to young voters, African Americans, and Latinos, including saying "the amnesty for children of illegals."

Yep, that'll bring it non-whites to the fold!
#175 | 677 days ago

kramer wrote:
You gave me a real life example in an effort to prove your point.  I in turn gave you 3 real life examples of my own in an effort to prove my point.  If that is "blowing off" what you said, you have a very awkwardly skewed view of the term "belittling."  You did not say it didn't exist, but tried to make the point that it's not as common as it used to be.  I simply gave you reasons as to why it is still much more prevalent than we want to admit.  You're always asking people to back up what they say.  I did that before you even asked for it.  So I guess until you actually ASK people for factual examples, they can't respond to you with that because that's "belittling" you.  THAT subject now ends here.
Sigh...  I gave you a real life example and you blew it off.  I never blew off or claimed to disbelieve any of your examples.  I was never going to ask for any backup because that subject was not broached by me.   For some reason you wanted to go down that tangent. 

It would be good of you to recall that it was YOU who felt "belittled" over nothing.  Not I.  I was turning the table on you in an attempt to make a point that you clearly did not register.
#176 | 677 days ago

Jess wrote:
Nah, I never claimed to be centrist..I mean, maybe at one point years ago but now that I know more about each party and where their focus is, and which one tends to reflect my own personal values and what's important to me, I know where I fit. I'm ok with leaning (a lot) to the left, even if people do call me a hippie or liberal. 

*edit to clarify* - I know that I said we need less extremism on each side, but I don't necessarily think that means we need someone right down the middle. Even if the Tea Party ends up being the third party and the republican goes back to being more moderate, you still don't have a "middle". There are still going to be those who lean left and those who lean right.

One of my close friends (who happens to be republican) and I were having a conversation after the election about some of the name calling going around. He made a great point, I think, and I wish more people could see this:

Tides are changing and the day of conservatism is dead. It is a normal progression. Some on my side of the aisle just can't accept it. So they throw labels around.
All fair enough.  I say similar things and get jumped on for it.   I was just pointing out that much of your comment had "moderation" written all over it and that seems to make many on the extreme a little hot and bothered....   To put it mildly.
#177 | 677 days ago

This has been a great thread again.  However, it's killing my phone trying to load.
Are we in recess yet or should you just start another?

Anyone else?
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#178 | 677 days ago

ohwell_ wrote:
This has been a great thread again.  However, it's killing my phone trying to load.
Are we in recess yet or should you just start another?

Anyone else?
Eric was waiting a bit, he said to let things settle or something to that effect...The President has been speaking a lot. Reactions anytime I am sure. I know ^^^^^ up there he said when but im to lazy to scroll back...
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#179 | 677 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Sigh...  I gave you a real life example and you blew it off.  I never blew off or claimed to disbelieve any of your examples.  I was never going to ask for any backup because that subject was not broached by me.   For some reason you wanted to go down that tangent. 

It would be good of you to recall that it was YOU who felt "belittled" over nothing.  Not I.  I was turning the table on you in an attempt to make a point that you clearly did not register.
I never blew off your comment.  I simply stated real life examples of my own in response to yours.  That was all I did, but now you're once again trying to make me out to be the bad guy and go on the defensive, just like you always do.  No, you are not going to pull that with me again.  We are finished here.  We've both gotten our points across, and I WAS done if you wouldn't have kept this going after I left for the evening.

GOODBYE!
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#180 | 676 days ago

kramer wrote:
I never blew off your comment.  I simply stated real life examples of my own in response to yours.  That was all I did, but now you're once again trying to make me out to be the bad guy and go on the defensive, just like you always do.  No, you are not going to pull that with me again.  We are finished here.  We've both gotten our points across, and I WAS done if you wouldn't have kept this going after I left for the evening.

GOODBYE!
Oh really?  You never blew off my comment?  Interesting...  The problem there is when you said "I'd like to believe that, but I don't." you were dismissing it.  Giving it no credence.  Making it worthless.  In other words...  Blowing it off.   And now you are denying it.
This has got to be a joke, right?
#181 | 676 days ago

Stop this.
#182 | 676 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Oh really?  You never blew off my comment?  Interesting...  The problem there is when you said "I'd like to believe that, but I don't." you were dismissing it.  Giving it no credence.  Making it worthless.  In other words...  Blowing it off.   And now you are denying it.
This has got to be a joke, right?
When I said "I'd like to believe that, but I don't," I was referring to the idea that racism isn't as prevalent and noticeable today, making the argument that it's more noticeable than we all would like to admit, which it is.  I was NOT blowing off your real-life example.  I simply in turn gave you examples of my own.  I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.  You have kept this argument going simply for the sake of arguing, just so you can make it look like you're right.  I am not putting up with that garbage any longer.  This is now turning into a classic case of you trying to spin things to make the other person look like the bad guy, and I am not going to play your game anymore.  Your constant pushing of my buttons, antagonizing, and baiting in an attempt to get an inappropriate response from me is going to stop.  You've done it on this site to me for years, and your shenanigans with me will end TODAY!

We really need an ignore button for people who don't know when to stop, end of discussion.
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#183 | 676 days ago

kramer wrote:
When I said "I'd like to believe that, but I don't," I was referring to the idea that racism isn't as prevalent and noticeable today, making the argument that it's more noticeable than we all would like to admit, which it is.  I was NOT blowing off your real-life example.  I simply in turn gave you examples of my own.  I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.  You have kept this argument going simply for the sake of arguing, just so you can make it look like you're right.  I am not putting up with that garbage any longer.  This is now turning into a classic case of you trying to spin things to make the other person look like the bad guy, and I am not going to play your game anymore.  Your constant pushing of my buttons, antagonizing, and baiting in an attempt to get an inappropriate response from me is going to stop.  You've done it on this site to me for years, and your shenanigans with me will end TODAY!

We really need an ignore button for people who don't know when to stop, end of discussion.
Orrrr you could just see post 181.
#184 | 676 days ago

(Edited by ML31)
kramer wrote:
When I said "I'd like to believe that, but I don't," I was referring to the idea that racism isn't as prevalent and noticeable today, making the argument that it's more noticeable than we all would like to admit, which it is.  I was NOT blowing off your real-life example.  I simply in turn gave you examples of my own.  I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.  You have kept this argument going simply for the sake of arguing, just so you can make it look like you're right.  I am not putting up with that garbage any longer.  This is now turning into a classic case of you trying to spin things to make the other person look like the bad guy, and I am not going to play your game anymore.  Your constant pushing of my buttons, antagonizing, and baiting in an attempt to get an inappropriate response from me is going to stop.  You've done it on this site to me for years, and your shenanigans with me will end TODAY!

We really need an ignore button for people who don't know when to stop, end of discussion.
OK...  Except when you said "it's about race" I thought you were talking about the subject at hand.  The cliche of what type of people populate political parties.  Hence my example of my racist Uncle who always prided himself with being a Democrat.  My bad for assuming that but it's understandable that I would.  Just like it was understandable that it looked very much like you blew off my example.

Yes, I have kept this going and I take responsibility for that.  But don't act like this is all me.  You hold just as much responsibility in this continuing as I do.  I won't even pretend to guess as to why you wanted to continue down the race tangent.  It really wasn't even being discussed until you introduced it.  It's funny that the only thing you can say in these things is that I "spin" things.  Nothing was spun here.  It's also not my style.  I don't goad anyone into anything either.  I have never tried to push people's buttons.  I don't know anyone well enough here for that even if it was my goal.  Sorry you feel I am antagonizing you but the fact is, I'm really not.  Your reactions are of your own making.  Not mine.

Enjoy your Thanksgiving.
#185 | 676 days ago

ohwell_ wrote:
This has been a great thread again.  However, it's killing my phone trying to load.
Are we in recess yet or should you just start another?

Anyone else?
I'm not in the mood to start another one, but if you all want to keep going, go ahead, but if it peters out, that's fine. So it's not really a recess, it's more of a pro forma session.
#186 | 676 days ago

man, look at what you guys did...now Eric doesn't want to play anymore...:/
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#187 | 675 days ago

JenX63 wrote:
man, look at what you guys did...now Eric doesn't want to play anymore...:/
I just need a break. Remember I live in the DC area, so it's constant. I'm following, but from a distance for a while.
#188 | 675 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I just need a break. Remember I live in the DC area, so it's constant. I'm following, but from a distance for a while.
that's cool...i look forward to your next poll, whatever it might be.....
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#189 | 673 days ago

Here's an account from a Hostess employee on the situation there. It's something to think about when you hear about why they went bankrupt. It also shows why I hate the whole "don't complain about your job because at least you have one" attitude. It gives employers a license to screw their employees over.
#190 | 670 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
I have some more links about the Hostess situation, the first from Business Insider, the other from that noted liberal rag Forbes. Note that Hostess has been in bankruptcy before and has used it to force major concession from its union before, including $100 million not paid to the pension fund that isn't coming back. I want to highlight this specific passage from the Forbes article:

As if all this were not enough, Hostess Brands’ management gave themselves several raises, all the while complaining that the workers who actually produced the products that made the firm what money it did earn were grossly overpaid relative to the company’s increasingly dismal financial position.

There you go. It's never management's fault, it's the workers, especially if the workers are part of a union. Of course, other plutocrats and right wingers are jumping on this full throat. That's the sad thing, because it's so off base. Always remember, the mindset of plutocrats and those who carry their water is "I've got mine, *bleep* you." The fact that so many who will never become a plutocrat, or even close, agree with this anti-union rhetoric is why I'm not optimistic we'll ever "come together" as a country again. The attitude of "I got mine, *bleep* you" or "You've got something I don't, so *bleep* you I want to take yours away" is just too prevalent.

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