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Calling all Libtards - We Won. Now What? (Edited 01/03/13 09:11PM by Eric_)
Hello, Lib-tards. It's been about a month since the election. As you know, Democrats mostly won. President Obama was re-elected. The Senate somehow became more Democratic and more liberal as well. The House stayed with the GOP, but well, you can blame redistricting for that.

So, the question is "what now?" My question is all of you is what do you want President Obama to accomplish in his second term, as well as this pre-inauguration time of fiscal cliff/fiscal incline/austerity bomb negotiations.

Please remember that all opinions are welcome, but this poll is geared towards the liberals here. So it can and often gets heated, so if you can't take the heat stay out of the poll. And let's all remember the CoC. Basically, don't be like our politicians, but disagree without being disagreeable.

*bangs gavel*
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#2 | 635 days ago

All we need is love...
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#1 | 635 days ago

I'll be have my request list, so to speak, later, when I have more time to write/rant. But I have two quick things.

One, if you've heard of this Fix the Debt group, please note that they are frauds. It's nothing more than a group of 1% CEOs that want their taxes lowered and your Social Security money. Nothing more, nothing less.

Second, when people say the Republican party has lost its mind, it's things like the vote for The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a UN treaty that required 2/3 vote to confirm. That didn't happen, because 38 Republicans voted against, compared to 8 that did (and 1 who didn't vote, Sen. Kirk, who's still recovering from a stroke so we'll give him a pass). Why did most of the GOP vote against it? Some claptrap that the UN is taking our sovereignty. Essentially, based on a conspiracy theory. From what I've heard of this treaty, we don't have to do anything. What it does is encourage another countries to pass their own laws similar to our ADA.

This is why I hate the Republican Party. This is why I hate the conservative movement: the complete disassociation with reality. This is why I have issues with regular people who claim to support this party, because they are essentially saying they support this, because this kind of know-nothingness isn't a one time incident. I know that doesn't say much about me and my ability to see through differences with others, but I don't care. I have no respect for this, because it deserves none.
#2 | 635 days ago

All we need is love...
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#3 | 634 days ago

What do I want to see?

Healthcare - PASS IT!  When I have to pay every month and convicts get free treatment with my tax dollars...Houston, we have a problem!

Repeal the Bush tax cuts - Fixed rate based on yearly income, you make more than me, you pay more than me cause you can afford it.

Work together FFS!  The President is willing to do it, so Congress, quit bickering at each other like you're in preschool with the "I can't vote for that bill cause the other party drew it up" crap, and get something done!  You passed less bills than Truman's "do nothing" Congress, start acting like you care about the people instead of what party you belong to!
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#4 | 634 days ago
Nick__ (+)

I want to see all of these assclows work together to right the wrong in this country!   Fix what needs to be fixed and set some sh** in motion so that it won't become a problem, 5 or 10 yrs, or even longer, down the road.
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#5 | 634 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I'll be have my request list, so to speak, later, when I have more time to write/rant. But I have two quick things.

One, if you've heard of this Fix the Debt group, please note that they are frauds. It's nothing more than a group of 1% CEOs that want their taxes lowered and your Social Security money. Nothing more, nothing less.

Second, when people say the Republican party has lost its mind, it's things like the vote for The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a UN treaty that required 2/3 vote to confirm. That didn't happen, because 38 Republicans voted against, compared to 8 that did (and 1 who didn't vote, Sen. Kirk, who's still recovering from a stroke so we'll give him a pass). Why did most of the GOP vote against it? Some claptrap that the UN is taking our sovereignty. Essentially, based on a conspiracy theory. From what I've heard of this treaty, we don't have to do anything. What it does is encourage another countries to pass their own laws similar to our ADA.

This is why I hate the Republican Party. This is why I hate the conservative movement: the complete disassociation with reality. This is why I have issues with regular people who claim to support this party, because they are essentially saying they support this, because this kind of know-nothingness isn't a one time incident. I know that doesn't say much about me and my ability to see through differences with others, but I don't care. I have no respect for this, because it deserves none.
Here is a couple of memes for you to consider on your post about The Rights of Persons With Disabilities. How sick, cruel, and stupid are the Teapublicant-give-a-damn-about-anyone-that-isnt-like-them?



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#6 | 634 days ago

kramer wrote:
What do I want to see?

Healthcare - PASS IT!  When I have to pay every month and convicts get free treatment with my tax dollars...Houston, we have a problem!

Repeal the Bush tax cuts - Fixed rate based on yearly income, you make more than me, you pay more than me cause you can afford it.

Work together FFS!  The President is willing to do it, so Congress, quit bickering at each other like you're in preschool with the "I can't vote for that bill cause the other party drew it up" crap, and get something done!  You passed less bills than Truman's "do nothing" Congress, start acting like you care about the people instead of what party you belong to!

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#7 | 634 days ago

Yeah that vote against the UN Convention made no sense on many, many levels. Most of them paranoid and ridiculous. 
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#8 | 634 days ago

Beaneaters wrote:
All we need is love...
No.
#9 | 634 days ago

Beaneaters wrote:
All we need is love...
Well, I will hug their elephant as soon as they kiss my ass. smiley
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#10 | 634 days ago

The not passing of the disability treaty to me anyways, just strengthened  my belief that the G.O.P.  must now be considered as anti human rights.    The party that SO strongly believes in protecting the rights of the unborn will at every chance not protect any other rights.   


   It sent a message that, we do not need to follow the U.N.  that we will take care of our own. Well Ha. They do not take care of anyone unless they agree with them.

Shame on them. And you guys should see the letter Norse wrote and sent to everyone of the senators that killed the treaty. You all would have been so proud. smiley
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#11 | 634 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
No.
#12 | 634 days ago

I have a question for those (Beans, kramer, Nick I'm calling you by name on this one) who are calling for "working together." What is the endgame? What do you want accomplished? What Democratic ideas do you want? What Republican ideas? I'm going to keep beating this drum. The UN treaty vote was just one example I could give on how the Republican party is less than a political party than an insane cult-like organization. So I ask, "work together" with what?
#13 | 634 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I have a question for those (Beans, kramer, Nick I'm calling you by name on this one) who are calling for "working together." What is the endgame? What do you want accomplished? What Democratic ideas do you want? What Republican ideas? I'm going to keep beating this drum. The UN treaty vote was just one example I could give on how the Republican party is less than a political party than an insane cult-like organization. So I ask, "work together" with what?
I just thought they looked cute dancing together.
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#14 | 633 days ago

(Edited by cubsgirl)
Eric_ wrote:
I have a question for those (Beans, kramer, Nick I'm calling you by name on this one) who are calling for "working together." What is the endgame? What do you want accomplished? What Democratic ideas do you want? What Republican ideas? I'm going to keep beating this drum. The UN treaty vote was just one example I could give on how the Republican party is less than a political party than an insane cult-like organization. So I ask, "work together" with what?
I want to see them working together to,

1. Fix this economy

2. Support the health care reform

3. And to realize that all this partiasn bull s**t is NOT working.
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#15 | 633 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
I have a question for those (Beans, kramer, Nick I'm calling you by name on this one) who are calling for "working together." What is the endgame? What do you want accomplished? What Democratic ideas do you want? What Republican ideas? I'm going to keep beating this drum. The UN treaty vote was just one example I could give on how the Republican party is less than a political party than an insane cult-like organization. So I ask, "work together" with what?
The Democrats shoot down bills because a Republican came up with them.  The Republicans shoot down bills because a Democrat came up with them.  It's a house divided and I want to see them stop fighting along party lines like they're in grade school.  If the President is willing to reach across the aisle, why can't Congress?

I think the biggest thing I want to see is the Republicans stop trying to repeal "Obamacare" as they refer to it and stop trying to brainwash America into thinking it's so terrible.  It would hurt their beloved HMOs, and they can't handle that.  For 4 years they did nothing but try to repeal the healthcare bill and then try to spin it to say "Obama didn't do anything as the President."  That backfired on them, so if they're smart (which I know they're not), they'll give it up and realize they are the ones who have stalled this country's progress, and not Obama.
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#16 | 633 days ago

What I'd like to see will not happen.  Basically, the tax code needs to be severely simplified.  It's monumentally needlessly complicated.  The tax should be a ton closer to a flat tax than it currently is.  The rate should be lowered across the board and 99% of all deductions should vanish.  Simple. 
Spending needs to be controlled.  The idea that a budget that only increases 5% instead of 8% is a CUT is just plain ludicrous.  There is a lot of waste.  Especially in departments that seem to overlap.  There is no real need for Homeland Security.  Existing agencies could handle that.  There is no need for a Federal Department of Education whatsoever.  Why do we still have a Buereu of Indian Affairs?  It's about time the Reservation system was just done away with.  What good has come as a result of it?  Not only are there still more departments that shouldn't exist...  But many of the departments and staffs that do exist could use some downsizing.  I'm thinking that Congress could get by with at least 1/3 less staff than they do.
Legal reform is of a high importance as well.  But nothing will happen there because who makes up the bulk of congress?  Lawyers.
#17 | 633 days ago

again, I'd love to see Obama go after the CEO's, CFO's, Corporate executives, and majority stockholders for doing to American companies like what happened to Hostess like he said he would 4 years ago:

Make it a Presidential order that any American company about to go financially bankrupt and lose American jobs while the Board of Directors, the Chief Executive Officers and majority stockholders get record payouts, said company should automatically have their accounts frozen, the upper 40% of earners in the company fired without compensation, and then promotions from the middle management group that survives the bloodbath to take over the company, as well as promotions into the middle management level and then hiring to fill those positions now opened in order to free up money AND stimulate the economy. And then arrest the sons of B*tches for graft, corruption, embezzlement, and greed.
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#18 | 632 days ago

    I'd like to see publicly funded elections so the best ideas are advanced not the guy with the most money. I'd like to be able to vote for someone insead of against someone as I've been doing.

    Bring back a top tax rate of 90%(like there has been for most of the county's history). Say anything over $2 mil. This would force the trickle down effect. CEO's and top exec's would reinvest profits in thier companies instead of taking all the profit for themselves.

    As far as the healthcare reform, Obama's plan is health insurance refrom not healthcare refrorm. I'd rather see the 1.5% of our income we send to the government for medicare go directly to our local hospital, and the employer match go into a statewide fund, used to shore up the finances of hospitals in areas that don't have the resources, and used to build hospitals in areas where they are needed. Everyone would be covered. The hospitals would be self insuring. The hospitals should pay doctors a salary, (similar to what they make now) instead of being paid per procedure. The hospital should also hire the GP's, OBGYN's, pediatricians, etc...  This would eliminate almost all fraud, and eliminatng the middle man would reduce costs.
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#19 | 630 days ago

(Edited by MIKELIN8)
Now what? Now, the DCCC needs to turn it's attention to state Gubernatorial and legislative races. We need more Democratic Governors, who will not stand for blatant power plays like voter suppression schemes, and stupid decisions like cutting funding for education (Hi, Governor Corbett...I'm coming for you...).

We need our President to start acting more like a progressive (read: Liberal) than he did in his first term. He has stated that this was his last election campaign, so why not do things like scaling back the "War on Drugs" which has been ongoing since the Nixon Administration, with no result but to make USA the country with the highest percentage of it's citizens in incarceration? If drug use were legalized, and taxed, the way cigarettes are taxed, there would be much more money in the treasury. People have not stopped smoking, even with all of the health warnings, and the cost here in PA being around $6/pack. What is the difference between cigarettes killing you, and drugs doing so? Besides, some dangerous drugs are already legal through prescription (or without prescription, right Rush Limbaugh?). It is the Puritanical obsession with keeping others from experiencing pleasure (remember, Nixon was a Quaker) which drives the anti-drug fervor. Which drugs are banned...those we call "recreational drugs"
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#20 | 629 days ago

kramer wrote:
The Democrats shoot down bills because a Republican came up with them.  The Republicans shoot down bills because a Democrat came up with them.  It's a house divided and I want to see them stop fighting along party lines like they're in grade school.  If the President is willing to reach across the aisle, why can't Congress?

I think the biggest thing I want to see is the Republicans stop trying to repeal "Obamacare" as they refer to it and stop trying to brainwash America into thinking it's so terrible.  It would hurt their beloved HMOs, and they can't handle that.  For 4 years they did nothing but try to repeal the healthcare bill and then try to spin it to say "Obama didn't do anything as the President."  That backfired on them, so if they're smart (which I know they're not), they'll give it up and realize they are the ones who have stalled this country's progress, and not Obama.
The "bipartisan consensus" that may be coming out of the fiscal cliff deal (with the caveats that "bipartisan" right now means Obama and Boehner and that this could all be Beltway horsecrap) is a raise in the Medicare eligibility age. Is that really the kind of policy you want in the name of working together? I'd rather focus on the results, not the process. If the result is good, then I could give two craps about the process.

(For the record though, thanks for actually answering, since Nick went MIA and Beans ducked the question. Also, your second paragraph is essentially correct.)
#21 | 628 days ago

Eric_ wrote:
The "bipartisan consensus" that may be coming out of the fiscal cliff deal (with the caveats that "bipartisan" right now means Obama and Boehner and that this could all be Beltway horsecrap) is a raise in the Medicare eligibility age. Is that really the kind of policy you want in the name of working together? I'd rather focus on the results, not the process. If the result is good, then I could give two craps about the process.

(For the record though, thanks for actually answering, since Nick went MIA and Beans ducked the question. Also, your second paragraph is essentially correct.)
The problem is the process of the last 4 years has led to no results.  Remember Bill Clinton's convention speech?  "We left him a total mess..."
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#22 | 626 days ago

Who does the NRA give money to?   

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000082&type=P&cycle=2012&sort=A&state=
#23 | 626 days ago

Right now I'm just trying not to go nuclear on this...
#24 | 625 days ago

(Edited by ohwell_)
I have been thinking about people I know who have died or had family members killed by guns in the last few years.
All of the guns were registered.   One suicide (2 weeks after he tried to hang himself and was hospitalized), One dear friend who lost his daughter and three other family members on Thanksgivinghttp://makaylajoysitton.com/  , a friend of my ex who was a school teacher  was shot in the face by a student on the last day of school.  Gun registered to his parents.

I own guns.  They are locked and loaded but locked up.   I and I alone am  responsible for who has access to my legal guns.
It is easier to buy a gun and register it than it is to get a drivers licence and put a car on the road.   Sure, unregistered and stolen guns kill a lot of people too, the least we can do for gun control, is to control the legal ones.   By being responsible gun owners.


What happened to the old days, where, when someone wronged you, you just beat the shi* out of them?
#25 | 623 days ago

Still not sure if I'm going to go off on the gun thing, but for now, I need to point this out.

A fiscal cliff deal might be getting close. If what Wonkblog and others are reporting is true, the deal is awful. Between the tax threshhold for increase going up to 400k instead of 250k (that's according to reports now), to the $1 trillion in unspecified cuts, and worst of all, the use of chained CPI in Social Security (which is an Orwellian terms that just means benefit cuts), it's just nothing but a poke in the eye.

Ugh.
#26 | 623 days ago

Also, RIP Senator Daniel Inouye. Look up his service in World War II. It's incredible. A true American hero died today.
#27 | 622 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
I know not many people are interesting in politics, but politics never stops. Just look at Michigan right now, and look at these fiscal cliff negotiations. I can't stress this enough. Cuts to Social Security benefits are very much on the table, and almost look certain to be part of whatever Obama and Boehner come up with. It doesn't have to be this way.

Thanks to Atrios today for posting the number to call the White House and let them know this can not stand. Also, here is where to find contact info for your Senators and your Congressman. Call. Send emails. Write an actual letter. Yeah, it's corny, and yeah, it probably won't work, but we have to try. We can't let this go without a fight. We just can't.

Edit: That first sentence should have read "not many people are interested in politics right now.." I know my brain moves way faster than my fingers, and thus I make some pretty bad typos, but yikes that's a bad one.
#28 | 613 days ago

(Edited by Eric_)
As we get ready to jump over the fiscal cliff (plus hitting the debt ceiling at the same time, wooo!), the latest stunt has been executed by Starbucks. The company is having its DC area baristas write "Come Together" on each cup they sell. This has the triple insult of a.) "both sides are equally wrong" BS, b.) useless political stunts that companies force on their employees, and c.) deficit scolding even though the fiscal cliff would cut the deficit.

As you can probably guess, CEO of Starbucks Howard Schultz is a member of Fix The Debt, which as you all know, is a group of CEOs that use deficit scolding as a front for what they really want: more tax cuts and your Social Security money.

For those that haven't been paying close attention. Obama has moved towards Boehner a lot more than Boehner has moved towards Obama. Obama put Social Security on the table in the form of chained CPI for cripes' sake. Boehner responded by leaving the table and trying his Plan B debacle, and now mostly just wants to get some cuts that the GOP can blame on Democrats. In other words, "both sides are equally to blame" is crap yet again.

Also, it's funny that all these deficit scolds keep concern trolling on the deficit, but are terrified of going over the cliff, which by design cuts the deficit. My guess is the reason for that is that fiscal cliff raises rich people's taxes and cuts defense, and we just can't have *that*. Sacrifice is for little people. /rolls eyes

The Village by the way is all for Social Security cuts. Columnist throughout the Beltway are wagging their finger at people receiving government benefits, because *of course* that means you're lazy and don't want to work. In a related story, *bleep* these Villager ***holes.

As George Carlin once said: We're all *bleeped*. It's important to remember that. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure he was right.

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