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Who's the villain, really?
I think I've done a fave villain poll before, and this may be in the same vein (vane?) as that. But, the "villain" in some movies don't realllly deserve the treatment or the title. Name one...and tell us why.


Par exemple, Magneto: He had a point, no? For a less obvious example maybe.....uhh... Principal Rooney from Ferris Beuller: He was just doing his job!!

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9%a. John McClane DID kill his brother!
18%b. They let him drown!
18%c. The wicked with just wanted the family shoes back!
55%d. Beans is no villain...no villain at all!

 &nbp;
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#4 | 464 days ago

Years back, I read a short fantasy story that reversed the roles of the characters from Cinderella.  The "evil" stepmother and stepsisters were victimized by "Ella", who got her story published first claiming suffering under the cruelty of the others.

Ever since, my wife and I referred to certain people as "Ella".


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The wicked with just wanted the family shoes back!  
  
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#1 | 464 days ago

#2 | 464 days ago

(Edited by kobe_lova)
ohwell_ wrote:
who that?
#3 | 464 days ago

Beans is no villain...no villain at all!  
#4 | 464 days ago

Years back, I read a short fantasy story that reversed the roles of the characters from Cinderella.  The "evil" stepmother and stepsisters were victimized by "Ella", who got her story published first claiming suffering under the cruelty of the others.

Ever since, my wife and I referred to certain people as "Ella".


(History is written by the winner.)
The wicked with just wanted the family shoes back!  
#5 | 464 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:
who that?
Snidely Whiplash Rocky and Bullwinkles enemy.
#6 | 464 days ago

ohwell_ wrote:
Snidely Whiplash Rocky and Bullwinkles enemy.
No, Snidely was Dudley Doright's enemy. Boris and Natasha were Rocky and Bullwinkle's enemies.
They let him drown!  
#7 | 464 days ago

Lord John Whorfin (In Buckaroo Banzai...)...the poor evil genius just wanted to go home to the 8th dimension.  
They let him drown!  
#8 | 464 days ago

ohwell_ wrote:
This just makes me want to go on Ripsaw Falls at Universal crying
#9 | 464 days ago



He really just thought people should mind their manners, and live by a code. Nothing wrong with that.
#10 | 464 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:


He really just thought people should mind their manners, and live by a code. Nothing wrong with that.
:/ and ate peoples' livers...
#11 | 464 days ago

Jess wrote:
:/ and ate peoples' livers...
Sure, but mostly when they didn't deserve to keep them. :)
#12 | 463 days ago

(Edited by kteacher)


Elphaba was misunderstood. 
Beans is no villain...no villain at all!  
#13 | 463 days ago

The wicked with just wanted the family shoes back!  
#14 | 463 days ago

(Edited by ms_hippie_queen)
the dude in the movie matchpoint! he ended up having to shotgun blast charlotte johanssen in the stomach but it totally needed to happen! you side with the villain the whole movie, cause maybe he really is a bad guy and the movie turns your mind into a bad guy too, but really the whole time you're going, "ohhhh i'm just a bananas rich, good looking guy and these honies can't stop throwing it at me. what am i supposed to do...not poke 'em behind my wife's back? shyeah right."
#15 | 463 days ago

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
Why?
#16 | 463 days ago



Freeze is a scientist who must wear a cryogenic suit in order to survive, and bases his crimes around a "cold" or "ice" theme, complete with a "freeze gun" that freezes its targets solid. In the most common variation of his origin story, he is a former cryogenics expert who suffered an industrial accident while attempting to cure his terminally ill wife, Nora.
John McClane DID kill his brother!  
#17 | 463 days ago

ms_hippie_queen wrote:
the dude in the movie matchpoint! he ended up having to shotgun blast charlotte johanssen in the stomach but it totally needed to happen! you side with the villain the whole movie, cause maybe he really is a bad guy and the movie turns your mind into a bad guy too, but really the whole time you're going, "ohhhh i'm just a bananas rich, good looking guy and these honies can't stop throwing it at me. what am i supposed to do...not poke 'em behind my wife's back? shyeah right."
Did you just combine my wife's name with scarlett's?
#18 | 463 days ago

(Edited by marcus_nyce)
The machines in The Matrix. The back story, via the Animatrix, makes it pretty clear they were neutral until humans went all human nature on them. More recently, Jamie Lannister has become a sympathetic character on GoT, etc.

Isn't this trope in almost every single movie & TV show of the past 40 years? 50 years? The rise of this "comic book morality play" story line has even made real villains no more than petty criminals with elaborate (often ludicrous) schemes. You can't have a plot anymore unless the we start questioning who should be wearing white hats and who should have on the black hats. Basically, we need people like that so we can point our finger and say that's the bad guy in the first act and then maybe realize WE might be the baddies by act 3?


Edit: Almost forgot. Every video game plot too. i.e. "Would you kindly?"
Beans is no villain...no villain at all!  
#19 | 463 days ago

marcus_nyce wrote:
The machines in The Matrix. The back story, via the Animatrix, makes it pretty clear they were neutral until humans went all human nature on them. More recently, Jamie Lannister has become a sympathetic character on GoT, etc.

Isn't this trope in almost every single movie & TV show of the past 40 years? 50 years? The rise of this "comic book morality play" story line has even made real villains no more than petty criminals with elaborate (often ludicrous) schemes. You can't have a plot anymore unless the we start questioning who should be wearing white hats and who should have on the black hats. Basically, we need people like that so we can point our finger and say that's the bad guy in the first act and then maybe realize WE might be the baddies by act 3?


Edit: Almost forgot. Every video game plot too. i.e. "Would you kindly?"
You are sooooo philisophical heart
Beans is no villain...no villain at all!  
#20 | 463 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:
Why?
Anytime a "Candyman" is the bad guy is unusual and goes against the norm.  Besides, I also like the actor who played the role. 
The wicked with just wanted the family shoes back!  
#21 | 463 days ago

JenX63 wrote:
You are sooooo philisophical heart
Not at all, lol. Every few months somebody writes a b!tch piece about it and then the are the b!tch pieces about the b!tch pieces. It's like some kind of Salon, Hollywood Reporter, GQ, AV Club, etc. circular editorial cluster eff. The 'binge watch' debate is also a fave topic of backlash followed by backlash to the backlash... until somebody goes full circle and starts over again. lol
Beans is no villain...no villain at all!  
#22 | 463 days ago

MIKELIN8 wrote:
No, Snidely was Dudley Doright's enemy. Boris and Natasha were Rocky and Bullwinkle's enemies.
I bow to you elder wisdom.  wink
#23 | 463 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:
Did you just combine my wife's name with scarlett's?
if i had her boobs, with her face...
#24 | 463 days ago

ms_hippie_queen wrote:
if i had her boobs, with her face...
We'd be backwoods barbie married!
#25 | 463 days ago

marcus_nyce wrote:
The machines in The Matrix. The back story, via the Animatrix, makes it pretty clear they were neutral until humans went all human nature on them. More recently, Jamie Lannister has become a sympathetic character on GoT, etc.

Isn't this trope in almost every single movie & TV show of the past 40 years? 50 years? The rise of this "comic book morality play" story line has even made real villains no more than petty criminals with elaborate (often ludicrous) schemes. You can't have a plot anymore unless the we start questioning who should be wearing white hats and who should have on the black hats. Basically, we need people like that so we can point our finger and say that's the bad guy in the first act and then maybe realize WE might be the baddies by act 3?


Edit: Almost forgot. Every video game plot too. i.e. "Would you kindly?"
I agree about the machines. 

Jamie Lannister became more sympathetic once we got to see him more. Oddly, he didn't have massive on-screen time at first. The backstory helps and I do like him more, but I kinda already did. He's a decent villain, who was never truly a villain at all (as this season has taught us), simplified vilified... and I think there is a difference. I think that's the distinction in a lot of the movies you are talking about. BUT, all day long  he is dirrrty in an eww way, so he doesn't get the 'not so bad vote' from me. He made a choice. 

Oh oh.... HE was as right as right can be.

I wanna say the character's name is Thomas Gabriel but I wouldn't put money on it.
#26 | 463 days ago

Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen.    wasted a lot of people (in some pretty ingenious ways)..... revenge on the justice system cause the killer of his wife and daughter got off easy.    what a lot of people wish they could do. 
Beans is no villain...no villain at all!  
#27 | 463 days ago

WISAC1 wrote:
Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen.    wasted a lot of people (in some pretty ingenious ways)..... revenge on the justice system cause the killer of his wife and daughter got off easy.    what a lot of people wish they could do. 
This was an excellent movie with some very diabolical twists in this.
#28 | 463 days ago

kobe_lova wrote:
I agree about the machines. 

Jamie Lannister became more sympathetic once we got to see him more. Oddly, he didn't have massive on-screen time at first. The backstory helps and I do like him more, but I kinda already did. He's a decent villain, who was never truly a villain at all (as this season has taught us), simplified vilified... and I think there is a difference. I think that's the distinction in a lot of the movies you are talking about. BUT, all day long  he is dirrrty in an eww way, so he doesn't get the 'not so bad vote' from me. He made a choice. 

Oh oh.... HE was as right as right can be.

I wanna say the character's name is Thomas Gabriel but I wouldn't put money on it.
I think that show Motive is going to try to base a procedural series on the premise. idk about that?
Beans is no villain...no villain at all!  
#29 | 460 days ago

marcus_nyce wrote:
I think that show Motive is going to try to base a procedural series on the premise. idk about that?
Well, season 1 already started in Canada so I'm sure you can find it and let us know... but to me it reads like L&O: Criminal Intent, which is fine in theory, I enjoyed it but it was the shortest running of the franchise. I don't see how that climax is going to work every episode. Documentary style like Snapped or Cold Case Files keep me interested, idk about this either.
#30 | 460 days ago

Damone from Fast Times at Ridgemont High

This is some great iced tea

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