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Baseball Hall of Fame Case: Dave Concepcion

by Eric_ Eric_ 12/20/07

Baseball Hall of Fame Case: Dave Concepcion PhotoIt’s time for the baseball Hall of Fame debates to begin. From now until the results are announced, FanIQ will be taking a look at this year’s major candidates. Up next: Dave Concepcion.

 

Dave Concepcion was part of what is now a rare breed of ballplayer: a player who spent his entire career with one team. Concepcion spent nineteen years in the big leagues, all of which for the Cincinnati Reds. Concepcion was the shortstop for the Big Red Machine, and won two World Series titles. This is his final year on the ballot. His career stats can be found here.

 

Pros For Induction

 

Playing a premiere position for one of the greatest and most memorable teams of all-time certainly helps. Concepcion is one of the names synonymous with the Big Red Machine.

 

Concepcion wasn’t the greatest hitter in the world (more on that later), but he was still able to win two Silver Sluggers at NL shortstops. Now, that has a lot to do with 70s and early 80s shortstops all being banjo hitters, but it’s still a point in favor of Concepcion. He was the best shortstop in the National League in the 1970s.

 

Concepcion had a fine defensive reputation, as shown by the five Gold Gloves he had in his career. He was also named to nine All-Star teams in his career.

 

Cons Against Induction

 

Concepcion just wasn’t a very good hitter. His career average was only .267, while his career OBP is a weak .322. Even if the low offensive era he played in, that’s below average. The most telling stat might be that despite playing in the same lineup as Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, and Pete Rose, Concepcion never scored 100 runs in the season, and didn’t even score 1000 in a nineteen year career.

 

The Silver Sluggers and All-Star nods are nice, but Concepcion didn’t have a lot of competition. None of the shortstops of that era could hit. Somebody had to be in the All-Star Game, and most years it was Davey C or Larry Bowa.

 

The Verdict

 

Concepcion’s career OPS+ was 88, meaning for his career he hit twelve percent below average for his era. Even with shortstop being such a defensive oriented position, all the other Hall of Fame shortstops have a better career OPS+. The one exception to that is Ozzie Smith, who had a career OPS+ of 87. Ozzie, though, did have an above average OBP for his era (.337 to .328).

 

Of course, Ozzie Smith is the greatest defensive shortstop ever, and thus brought tremendous value with the glove. While Concepcion won five Gold Gloves, there is no evidence that he provided anything close to Ozzie’s value with the glove. Being the best shortstop of the 70s is great, but when the baseline for that distinction is so low, it doesn’t add up to much. Thus, Concepcion comes up short.

 

Will He Get In?

 

This is Concepcion’s final year on the ballot, and last year he named on 13.6% of the ballots. Thus, Concepcion will be on the next Veteran’s Committee ballot.

 

Now it’s your turn. Discuss Concepcion’s candidacy in the comments, and be sure to vote in both his individual poll and Seth’s poll encompassing the entire ballot.


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Do you think Dave Concepcion should be elected to the Hall of Fame, and what percentage of the vote do you think he'll receive this year, his fifteenth and final on the ballot?
| Closed on 01/07/08 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | MLB | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Team Breakout:
26 Fans 
 1. Is Dave Concepcion a Hall of Famer? (0 points)
27%a. Yes
73%b. No
 2. What percentage of the vote do you believe Concepcion will receive? (0 points)
0%a. under 5%
50%b. 5-20%
19%c. 21-30%
8%d. 31-40%
12%e. 41-50%
4%f. 51-60%
0%g. 61-74%
8%h. 75% and above (election)

  
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#1 | 2463 days ago

I know I am in the minority on this but I really believe Davey deserves to get in. One of the major factors for HOF voting is how you compare to others IN YOUR ERA. As this article correctly points out Davey was the dominant shortstop of his era. While he wasn't Ozzie Smith with the glove he was a lot closer than people realize. He was easily the best defensive shortstop of his era and made plays that many had never seen before. Most Big Red Machine members will tell you that Davey was the teams MVP.
1. Yes  2. 21-30%  
#2 | 2461 days ago

"Most Big Red Machine members will tell you that Davey was the teams MVP"

 

On the same team as "Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, and Pete Rose", among others?

1. No  2. 5-20%  
#3 | 2461 days ago

Not even close.

1. No  2. 5-20%  
#4 | 2461 days ago

(Edited by Yossarian)
Fat wrote:
I know I am in the minority on this but I really believe Davey deserves to get in. One of the major factors for HOF voting is how you compare to others IN YOUR ERA. As this article correctly points out Davey was the dominant shortstop of his era. While he wasn't Ozzie Smith with the glove he was a lot closer than people realize. He was easily the best defensive shortstop of his era and made plays that many had never seen before. Most Big Red Machine members will tell you that Davey was the teams MVP.
You're right. If you compare him to other shortstops in his era he was as good as any, but he does not belong in the HOF.
1. No  2. 5-20%  
#5 | 2458 days ago

Fat wrote:
I know I am in the minority on this but I really believe Davey deserves to get in. One of the major factors for HOF voting is how you compare to others IN YOUR ERA. As this article correctly points out Davey was the dominant shortstop of his era. While he wasn't Ozzie Smith with the glove he was a lot closer than people realize. He was easily the best defensive shortstop of his era and made plays that many had never seen before. Most Big Red Machine members will tell you that Davey was the teams MVP.
I would have taken Campeneris over him. I thought Larry Bowa was just as good defensively.
1. No  2. 21-30%  
#6 | 2097 days ago

The numbers speak for themselves.  No doubt Davey deserves to be in.

Look how he compares.

Unbelieveable.  Plus, his influence over Latin American players and how the game was played and scouted and developed as a sport in Latin American countries.  It is not a only a game, but a road to a better life.  Helping todays players get to the major leagues more easily and often.

It is not right that Ozzie Smith  who has a lower career BA, post season BA, fewer career RBI's and HR's and a fielding percentage just .006 better over a 19 year career is in and Concepcion is not.

He has 5 gold gloves to Ripkin's 2.  Banks has 1.

The numbers go on and on.

People say it's not a poularity contest.  Ha.  Deserving to be in is not enough.

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