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Do you think the war in Iraq is unjust?
A lot of talk about President Bush and his decision to go to war in the hangout so i wanted to see what everyone thought about the war in Iraq. Do not take into account if you think we should pull out our troops or not...just was it unjust to START the war and overthrow Saddam.
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56%a. No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power
27%b. Yes it was unjust, we didn't have enough information to go to war.
13%c. I am indifferent.
4%d. other (please specify)

  
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#1 | 2581 days ago

(Edited by Lance)
I think sometimes we actually forgot how bad of a person and dictator he really was. I also think that the US is becoming more and more seperated unlike how United we were right after 9/11. I feel that people sometimes forget that tragedy and if another tragedy on our home soil happened again, America would band together and a lot more people would back Bush(or whomever the President is) on going to war. I am not saying that there is any link between Saddam and 9/11 but I believe that if we would have went to war with Saddam right after 9/11 there would be a lot more people on board just because the tragedy and american blood on everyones minds.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#2 | 2581 days ago

How does one judge a "just war?" Well, there are standards for a "Just War" in the writings of Augustine, Clement, St. Francis, and other great men through time. There are several books that lay down, usually 5 - 7 criteria that constitute a Just War. Afganistan was a just war, believe it or not Vietnam was a just war. However, Iraq was not because it met only three of the generally accpeted criteria. Virtually all of the problems within Iraq were civil or internal and at best should have been met my an International Force such as the United Nations. The United States virtually "bought" its team through force and economic sanction to go in and do it deeds. Now, do I disagree with what was going on in Iraq? Yes!!! But, I disagree even more with what has been going on in Western Africa since the end of WWII and the Western World has never stepped in to do ANYTHING!!! Do you think it might be because the victims are BLACK? I don't know; or do you think there are no huge fields of oil? I don't know! But, death by violence is almost equal to death by AIDS which is an outcrop of neglect in those countries. Why did we choose Iraq and not some other country, hmmmm? Ask the Oil Bound President and his family?!!!? No, I'm not boiling it down to just that but it certainly does paint part of the picture!
Yes it was unjust, we didn't have enough information to go to war.  
#3 | 2581 days ago

It was justified in that we needed to end So Damned Insane's rule, but the length of time we've been there has made it unjustified at this point.
other (please specify)  
#4 | 2581 days ago
senecasfinest (+)

I never did hear a very good reason for going to war. If we went to war just because Saddam is a bad guy, then we better get our troops together to go after a whole lot of other bad guys. If every other nation thought Bush was a terrible guy who was taking away our civil rights, etc. and thought they should band together to oust Bush, would you think it was a just or unjust war?
Yes it was unjust, we didn't have enough information to go to war.  
#5 | 2581 days ago

That's like saying....well we aren't going to catch all murderers so why bother catching any.....that's ridiculous. It seems more unjust to sit back and do nothing like all the cowards in Europe.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#6 | 2581 days ago
senecasfinest (+)

I know i didn't state it very well, but that wasn't my point. My point really is "are we going to go after any other nations because their leader is a terrible guy?" No, we're not, so it shouldn't be a justification here, either. Beyond that, should Saddam being a bad guy justify taking some of our attention off of Afghanistan, which is where all of the concentration should have been, in my opinion?

If we are going to take away another nation's sovereignty, we should have another, better reason, besides Saddam is a bad guy. LIke tiger said, intervention in Africa would have been farrr more just to me, than invading Iraq.
Yes it was unjust, we didn't have enough information to go to war.  
#7 | 2581 days ago

It amazes me how many people have bought into the liberal media's brainwashing. It's really sad. An unjust war for who? For all the Kurds and Shiites who were slaughtered? For all the oppressed? For all the terrorists?? C'mon. After 9/11, you can't just sit back and say well you got us good...please continue. There were many excellent reasons for going to war. We got rid of the Taliban in Afghanistan for goodness sake.....we got rid of Sadaam....we've caught some major terrorists. And everyone claiming Bush went for the oil? Are you insane?? Why would he piss off the entire middle east if all he was concerned about was the oil. OIL is exactly why Europe has refused to get involved for the most part. Oil prices have gone up and we are looking for other sources....so as you can see the oil situation is not the point of invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure they have oil but if you know anything about economics, it is actually quite a small amount compared with other areas of the middle east. People need to think for themselves, do some research, and stop allowing the media to tell you what is going on. Don't let them brainwash you because they hate our President.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#8 | 2581 days ago
senecasfinest (+)

Sure, we've caught some terrorists and removed the Taliban from Afghanistan, which is great. . . but what does that have to do with invading Iraq?

And for the record, I don't think that we went to war for the oil, but it's pretty damning when leaders in the Bush administration were the former leaders of the companies who are making the most off of this war.
Yes it was unjust, we didn't have enough information to go to war.  
#9 | 2581 days ago

Well said...I'm glad someone else is on the same page as I am.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#10 | 2581 days ago

Umm....Sadaam?? The evil dictator who, mounds of evidence shows, was involved in terrorism. Plus, he terrorized his own country as it was. I see you've been watching/reading Michael Moore about administration leaders sitting on companies boards. I recommend you read "Liberalims is a Mental Disorder" and/or "Michael Moore is big, fat stupid white man". Those books will explain how the media has twisted those facts, when they have NOTHING to do with the war in Iraq.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#11 | 2581 days ago
senecasfinest (+)

haha, Michael Moore? NO. I trust his work just as much as I trust Bill O'Reilly, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, or Al Franken's. Which means, I don't trust them at all. All of them care about one thing: trying to make a buck off of the public by being inflammatory and by stretching truths.

If you can point out facts to me how Saddam was any more linked to the 9/11 attacks than the governments of Pakistan, Egypt, or Saudi Arabia, you're more than welcome to point it out to me.

If you can show me that Cheney wasn't an executive of Halliburton, the same company who is making a lot of money off of this war, I'm open to that.

Until then, those facts are set out and it's reasonable for people to draw conclusions, using those facts, to be skeptical of the war and it's justifications.
Yes it was unjust, we didn't have enough information to go to war.  
#12 | 2581 days ago

It would be nice to be able to help many nations. The fact of the matter is Sadaam needed to be taken care of fast. He was planning something. Don't buy into the media's lack of weapons of mass destruction conspiracy theory. They must think we are complete morons......Saddam has plenty of places so stash those weapons (aka. other countries). He had to be stopped and personally, I believe North Korea needs to be stopped next. As Edmond Burke said: "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing." And I believe Bush is a good man who is standing up for our country and AGAINST terrorism while all the other cowards sit back and do nothing.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#13 | 2581 days ago

The declaration made after the attack on our country on 9/11 was strong..." we will go after the terriorists and any countries harboring terrorists" Saddam clearly supported terriorists, he paid $25,000 per family who would send the children in a suicide bombers in Israel, just as one example.
Even back in 1998 Clinton stated that Iraq had WMD's....After the first Gulf War...(remember they invaded another country?) the UN declared resolutions that Saddam was supposed to live up to....the main one enabling inspectors in the make sure he was abiding by these resolutions.....Bush gave him plenty of chances to let our inspectors in prior to the US coming in a taking out Saddam. Bush wouldn't have been much of a leader in my opinion, in this post 9/11 era if he didn't follow through and call Saddam's bluff.(even if it was just a bluff)
Make no mistake about it, what took place on 9/11 was a declaration of war, but in this age of terrorism the enemy is on many fronts.
After World War II we were also critized for the length of time we spent in Germany helpiing the people rebuild. We don't hear or read much of all the progress that has been made in Iraq, but I have talked with some military who state that much has been done.

No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#14 | 2581 days ago

set out by whom exactly? certain facts (like Cheny and Halliburton) can be twisted to be made to look anyway a liberal media wants them to look....there are no facts when it comes to the media. I don't have the time while I am trying to study for my law exams to explain it all. Just read a couple of books not written by a democrat and you'll see....
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#15 | 2580 days ago

I agree Rach, but there are some good Dem's, it's the wacko liberals who use the kooks (Michael Moore, society libs, etc) to try to blind the public from the truth. Well, not just blind them just totatlly fool them with made up bullshit just to meet their own policical ends...mainly, anti-american, anti-capitalism.....these people think that the majority of the
American people are too ignorant to take care of themselves and build a life within the system..instead would rather scare people into believing that government needs to take care of them.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#16 | 2576 days ago

Generally speaking, I think all wars are unjust. Of course, there are circumstances in which it becomes necessary despite how unfortunate. I still am not sure if this war was necessary. As more time goes by though, it looks like there were some serious miscalculations.
other (please specify)  
#17 | 2566 days ago

We needed to go in there, but now we need to get our cocky asses out of there.
other (please specify)  
#18 | 2560 days ago

Everyone sat and did nothing 70 years ago as Hitler slowly built up his war machine and look at what the consequnces were.
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
#19 | 2542 days ago

Less than a week before invading Iraq Bush promised the U.S. we wouldn't. There never were any of WMD's which Bush admitted 2 months ago. If we're going to go after all the countries that supported terrorists why aren't we bombing Timothy McVeigh's hometown? That is a BS excuse to go to war. There are terrorists in our own country (KKK), and pretty much every single country on the damn planet. Why haven't we caught the "supposed mastermind" of 9/11 - Osama. Because we've been busy in Iraq, who did not attack us. I agree completely with SenecasFinest on this issue. Cheney has made millions from this war. Anyone ever wonder why he won't sell his shares? Unfortunately we can't leave now, because its still a mess. We have to continue with this BS war until things are settled there. All this war has done is divide our country and spread prejudice to the Islamic faith all across the country.
Yes it was unjust, we didn't have enough information to go to war.  
#20 | 2533 days ago
JRE1969 (+)

I think we should bomb Iran...........
No it was justified, the reasons were there and we needed to get Saddam out of power  
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kojomining2007 (+)

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kojomining2007 (+)

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