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Is Tony Romo the biggest choke artist in NFL History?
 Its time to face the fact that this guy is the definition of a loser. It's not just that he loses every big game, its the way he does it, in uprecedented fashion.

Whats the overunder on the number of days until he gets dumped by Miss Simpson?




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| Closed on 01/27/09 at 05:00PM
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55%a. Yes, Romo is a joke, I mean choke
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#1 | 2087 days ago
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almost makes me ashamed of being from Dallas...oh well not a cowboys fan anyways....stauback should be there. 3 touchdowns in less than 3 mins against houston back in the day........
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#3 | 2087 days ago

Pressure is on, Homo...i mean Romo, chokes every time.   Maybe it is just the team he plays for, but I doubt it.  Some QB's suck with one team and shine later with another....i seriously doubt he would even pull that one off.
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#5 | 2087 days ago

Flip62 wrote:
You can put anyone from the Arizona Cardinals infront of Romo!
They are the definition of "CHOKE"
Except they won their division and made the playoffs.
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#6 | 2087 days ago

to be fair Pat, hasn't their December record poor before Romo took over at the helm?  One of the problems is that our QB depth is currently so average, there's no pressure on Romo to push himself - he's in a comfortable spot, long term highly lucrative contract, and no incentive to improve.  To screw up as many times as he has in big games is more than just coincidence - I think it's a basic flaw in his temperament
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#7 | 2087 days ago

Absolutely. Just look at today's game. 'Nuf said. People treat him like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but in the most critical situations, he SUCKS.
#8 | 2087 days ago
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Dex1LSP wrote:
Absolutely. Just look at today's game. 'Nuf said. People treat him like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but in the most critical situations, he SUCKS.
What?  Look at todays game??? you people are incredible.... They LOST 44-6    Sorry, but wasn't just Romo's fault... How about the O-Line, Roy Williams and his superb route running, Marion Barber and his fumble, the Defense and their inability to stop the big plays and their lack of a pass rush, etc etc etc......  
#9 | 2087 days ago

Look at this way Romo is 0-2 in the playoffs and todays game was essentially a playoff game and the Cowboys could not even find the endzone. He played poorly in the Steeler and Raven games. Not too mention he has been piss poor in December in a 3 seasons he has started in December. Anyone who calls him elite has missed the boat big time. Is it time for a new QB in Dallas?
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#10 | 2087 days ago

 You can't put it all on Romo, yes he is suppose to be the leader, but there were enough mistakes made by all.  Even the coach looked lost to me.  Way too many turnovers, and you can't do that and expect to win THE BIG GAME to go further into the playoffs.
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#11 | 2087 days ago
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danny_n94 wrote:
Look at this way Romo is 0-2 in the playoffs and todays game was essentially a playoff game and the Cowboys could not even find the endzone. He played poorly in the Steeler and Raven games. Not too mention he has been piss poor in December in a 3 seasons he has started in December. Anyone who calls him elite has missed the boat big time. Is it time for a new QB in Dallas?
Nobody ever called him elite (to my knowledge) including myself..... But this is only his second year as a starter..... How well did Peyton Manning do before he started winning the "big games"?  Just curious........ How about all NFL QB's???  Not to many that won "big games" in their second year as a starter huh????  This loss was a TEAM loss- not a ROMO loss- period!
#12 | 2087 days ago

Spin it anyway you want to and thats fine. But the fact is he handed the Steelers the game, played poorly against the ravens and Philly with a playoff berth on the line. Is it a team game? Sure is, but his turnovers changed the game. Plus he has started over 40 games now, so saying this is only his 2nd year starting is kind understating how much he has started.  The fact remains he is 0-2 in the playoffs horrible in December when all games are big games. Maybe there is more truth to what TO has said than anyone will actually want to admit.
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#13 | 2087 days ago

vindog wrote:
What?  Look at todays game??? you people are incredible.... They LOST 44-6    Sorry, but wasn't just Romo's fault... How about the O-Line, Roy Williams and his superb route running, Marion Barber and his fumble, the Defense and their inability to stop the big plays and their lack of a pass rush, etc etc etc......  
I agree with you that the defense was their worst folly and the most important factor in getting routed, but Romo wasn't much better. Six points is nothing to his credit. See you in the off season, and watch out next year.

#14 | 2087 days ago

 Can't put it all on Romo, there were mistakes made by all, yes he is suppose to be a leader and he lacks some energy to get everyone else excited.  There was too many turnovers made by many on this cowboy team. this team can't make so many turnovers on THE BIG GAME and expect to move on to the playoffs.  The coach looked a little lost to me...........
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#15 | 2087 days ago

vindog wrote:
Nobody ever called him elite (to my knowledge) including myself..... But this is only his second year as a starter..... How well did Peyton Manning do before he started winning the "big games"?  Just curious........ How about all NFL QB's???  Not to many that won "big games" in their second year as a starter huh????  This loss was a TEAM loss- not a ROMO loss- period!
Look at Romo's numbers in December/January. I think you might be surprised to see just how awful he really is.
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#16 | 2087 days ago

 LOL, had to say it twice as I sulk............
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#17 | 2087 days ago

i love Romo but god does he need to get more in-game smarts
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#18 | 2087 days ago
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Pat wrote:
Look at Romo's numbers in December/January. I think you might be surprised to see just how awful he really is.
You and your stats.... Is that Romo or is it his team????  I'll opt for the team and the horrible O-Line play late in the seasons.  as much as you would love to blame everything on Romo- it's a team game. Romo has choked ONCE in the playoffs and that was the Seattle game when he dropped the field goal snap- THAT'S IT!! Today, he threw one interception that wasn't even his fault- it was a bad timing route by Roy Williams. He had two fumbles- both times he was stripped from behind- that's the O-Line there Buddy! Sure he needs some more discipline- all young QB's do- but Choke Artist?? That's just ridiculous.  If you want, you can credit Romo for giving away 7 points with the Interception, but where did the Eagles get the rest of their 44 points???? Not from Romo- that's for sure.
#19 | 2087 days ago
vindog (+)

At least one good thing came out of this Eagles loss....... I don't have to listen to all of you idiots (j/k) talking about how Romo choked in the playoffs again.. LOL
#20 | 2087 days ago

Flip62 wrote:
You can put anyone from the Arizona Cardinals infront of Romo!
They are the definition of "CHOKE"
The Cardinals won their division...then they remembered they were the Cardinals.
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#21 | 2087 days ago

vindog wrote:
Nobody ever called him elite (to my knowledge) including myself..... But this is only his second year as a starter..... How well did Peyton Manning do before he started winning the "big games"?  Just curious........ How about all NFL QB's???  Not to many that won "big games" in their second year as a starter huh????  This loss was a TEAM loss- not a ROMO loss- period!
Vin im usually in your corner, but not on this...matt ryan, a rookie is going to the playoffs and he won some big games..this is also Romo's 3rd season

i agree it was a team loss...but my question lies with the defense......wtf happened to them? Romo is a great person and QB, i think the drama is killing him in his 3rd year....between the team, reporters, etc....He's not laying as well as he should be ESPECIALLY with the Receivers he has...

point is your right and wrong.....hes not doing bad, actually better than manning did his first 3 years, but hes not stepping up as others have said either. Whatever the problem is You gotta hope hey fix it....ME, i think it stems from that defense and works its way back.

only reason i responded is you asked who could win big their first years, Matt ryan is one.....
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#22 | 2087 days ago

 I remember when people were saying this about Peyton Manning. Then look what happend. Give him time.
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#23 | 2087 days ago

vindog wrote:
At least one good thing came out of this Eagles loss....... I don't have to listen to all of you idiots (j/k) talking about how Romo choked in the playoffs again.. LOL
 Romo is a debacle dude. Take off your blinders and you can see the guy is a poser and a loser. He will be lucky to take Dallas to an NFC Championship game in his career.

He is way overrated and chokes under pressure like noone the NFL has ever seen.
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#24 | 2087 days ago

vindog wrote:
Nobody ever called him elite (to my knowledge) including myself..... But this is only his second year as a starter..... How well did Peyton Manning do before he started winning the "big games"?  Just curious........ How about all NFL QB's???  Not to many that won "big games" in their second year as a starter huh????  This loss was a TEAM loss- not a ROMO loss- period!
Manning as a ROOKIE = 3-13 MANNING IN HIS SECOND YEAR! = 13-3
#25 | 2087 days ago

Buffalo Bills and the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl games, then Romo in any big game...
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#26 | 2086 days ago

heheheheh no comment
#27 | 2086 days ago

 www.youtube.com/watch
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#28 | 2086 days ago

Dallas has way more problems than Romo. The dynamic duo of Williams and Owens are lazy and run routes when the feel like it. The Dallas line needs to be replaced totally. Then last but not least Jerry Jones needs to sell the team and quit trying to coach it from the booth.
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#29 | 2086 days ago

(Edited by CowboyRockStar)
I can't call Romo a choke artist......doing that would excuse others that I think are also responsible for a humiliating loss (and season). My biggest complaint is that they just didn't show up to play yesterday...and I'm not just talking about Romo. In fact, consistency has been a big problem for awhile now with the Cowboys. Some days their offense and defense looks good, and other days they simply look like they don't give a ****. I think this whole "America's Team" thing is really working against them as well. It's gone to the heads of the players whether they realize it or not. We need some "big gamers" in Dallas and fewer "big namers". In defense of Romo, it's our O-line that doesn't do their job a lot more frequently than Romo not doing his. And in regards to defense, it's our secondary that absolutely BLOWS. Our outstanding defensive line play is the only thing that has kept this fact from becoming absolutely obvious.
#30 | 2086 days ago

He's so clutch.
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#31 | 2086 days ago

CowboyRockStar wrote:
I can't call Romo a choke artist......doing that would excuse others that I think are also responsible for a humiliating loss (and season). My biggest complaint is that they just didn't show up to play yesterday...and I'm not just talking about Romo. In fact, consistency has been a big problem for awhile now with the Cowboys. Some days their offense and defense looks good, and other days they simply look like they don't give a ****. I think this whole "America's Team" thing is really working against them as well. It's gone to the heads of the players whether they realize it or not. We need some "big gamers" in Dallas and fewer "big namers". In defense of Romo, it's our O-line that doesn't do their job a lot more frequently than Romo not doing his. And in regards to defense, it's our secondary that absolutely BLOWS. Our outstanding defensive line play is the only thing that has kept this fact from becoming absolutely obvious.
 Since I'm in the mood to get my venting out, I'm going to reply to my own comment. I wanted to add to what I was saying about the whole "America's Team" thing working against them. I basically think the players are worried too much about image as opposed to worrying about how they play on the field. Hence the off-field remarks and antics you hear so much about, from TO running his mouth to Romo dating Jessica Simpson to Pac Man poorly managing his anger. JUST PLAY FOOTBALL!!!!  In closing, I think it was huge losing Felix for the year. Before he got hurt, he was doing great things for our offense. And he was one of those players that just obviously loved playing the game, and didn't care about image or drama. We need more players with attitudes like this.....like Jason Witten and Marion Barber.
#32 | 2086 days ago

(Edited by CowboyRockStar)
CowboyRockStar wrote:
I can't call Romo a choke artist......doing that would excuse others that I think are also responsible for a humiliating loss (and season). My biggest complaint is that they just didn't show up to play yesterday...and I'm not just talking about Romo. In fact, consistency has been a big problem for awhile now with the Cowboys. Some days their offense and defense looks good, and other days they simply look like they don't give a ****. I think this whole "America's Team" thing is really working against them as well. It's gone to the heads of the players whether they realize it or not. We need some "big gamers" in Dallas and fewer "big namers". In defense of Romo, it's our O-line that doesn't do their job a lot more frequently than Romo not doing his. And in regards to defense, it's our secondary that absolutely BLOWS. Our outstanding defensive line play is the only thing that has kept this fact from becoming absolutely obvious.
 Since I'm in the mood to get my venting out, I'm going to reply to my own comment. I wanted to add to what I was saying about the whole "America's Team" thing working against them. I basically think the players are worried too much about image as opposed to worrying about how they play on the field. Hence the off-field remarks and antics you hear so much about, from TO running his mouth to Romo dating Jessica Simpson to Pac Man poorly managing his anger. JUST PLAY FOOTBALL!!!!  In closing, I think it was huge losing Felix for the year. Before he got hurt, he was doing great things for our offense. And he was one of those players that just obviously loved playing the game, and didn't care about image or drama. We need more players with attitudes like this.....like Jason Witten and Marion Barber.
#33 | 2086 days ago

"We need more players with attitudes like this.....like Jason Witten and Marion Barber."

I couldn't agree more; well, other than the "we'" part ->   I'm a Bears fan !!!
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#34 | 2086 days ago

CowboyRockStar wrote:
 Since I'm in the mood to get my venting out, I'm going to reply to my own comment. I wanted to add to what I was saying about the whole "America's Team" thing working against them. I basically think the players are worried too much about image as opposed to worrying about how they play on the field. Hence the off-field remarks and antics you hear so much about, from TO running his mouth to Romo dating Jessica Simpson to Pac Man poorly managing his anger. JUST PLAY FOOTBALL!!!!  In closing, I think it was huge losing Felix for the year. Before he got hurt, he was doing great things for our offense. And he was one of those players that just obviously loved playing the game, and didn't care about image or drama. We need more players with attitudes like this.....like Jason Witten and Marion Barber.
My only problem is with you saying they are worried too much about image.  If they were worried about image, they would be working harder to improve that image than to make themselves look like idiots and jack a$$e$!!  I agree, they need to just get back to playing football.
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#35 | 2086 days ago
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MarkTheShark wrote:
Manning as a ROOKIE = 3-13 MANNING IN HIS SECOND YEAR! = 13-3
Romo as a "ROOKIE" (started in week #6 when Dallas was 3-3)=  9-7    Romo in his second year=  13-3       BTW, Manning DID NOT WIN A PLAYOFF GAME until his 6th year in the league and choked in the playoffs 3 times......... Now, your point was what??????     Just by those stats, Manning is(was) a much bigger choke artist than Romo- period!!!
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#37 | 2086 days ago
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bayareabeast21 wrote:
 Romo is a debacle dude. Take off your blinders and you can see the guy is a poser and a loser. He will be lucky to take Dallas to an NFC Championship game in his career.

He is way overrated and chokes under pressure like noone the NFL has ever seen.
I'll respond to you since you created this poll- just to show you how foolish this poll is.... You said, and I quote "he is way overrated and chokes under pressure like no one the NFL has ever seen"  Really?????   Refer to post # 35.......    Peyton Manning (in his first 3 years as a starter) went 26-22 and had an 0-2 record in the playoffs. In Fact, Manning actually went 0-3 before ever winning a playoff game which came in his 6Th FULL year as a starter........In comparison, Romo has gone (his total time as a starter in Dallas)  25-14 and has an 0-2 record in the playoffs..........   WOW         BTW, I used the Peyton Manning comparison by virtue as him being widely recognized as one of the best (if not THE BEST) QB in the NFL the past 5 seasons, but I could have used just about any great NFL QB in comparison... Only very few NFL QB's have actually done BETTER than Romo in their first few years as a starter..... So if Matt Ryan of the Falcons or Joe Flacco of the Ravens lose their 1st games in the playoffs this season- do they belong in the " Biggest Choke Artists in NFL History" category along with Romo, Manning, and many many others?????  Do you see just how absolutely stupid this question is yet????  Or should I continue to break down every NFL QB for you??????   You utter bias against the Cowboys is ridiculous to say the least.
#38 | 2086 days ago
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Pat wrote:
Arguing about who is the worse choke artist between Romo and Peyton Manning is like arguing about which transvestite is better looking. Unless you're sick in the head, both choices should make you throw up in your mouth a little bit.
Now that comment was just stupid Pat.............
#39 | 2086 days ago

"So if Matt Ryan of the Falcons or Joe Flacco of the Ravens lose their 1st games in the playoffs this season- do they belong in the " Biggest Choke Artists in NFL History" category along with Romo, Manning, and many many others?????"

Nope. Because if Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco lose, it won't be as heavy favorites, nor will it be a continuation of a 3 year history of choking in big situations. Tony Romo's performance has plummeted in the months of December and January. He's a choke artist. Deal with it. Instead of trying to make excuses for him, you should be calling him out just like everyone else.

And no, that comment wasn't stupid at all. If I could choose any QB to win one huge game with my life on the line, neither Tony Romo nor Peyton Manning would be anywhere near the top of my list. Neither of them would even cross my mind.
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#40 | 2086 days ago
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Pat wrote:
"So if Matt Ryan of the Falcons or Joe Flacco of the Ravens lose their 1st games in the playoffs this season- do they belong in the " Biggest Choke Artists in NFL History" category along with Romo, Manning, and many many others?????"

Nope. Because if Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco lose, it won't be as heavy favorites, nor will it be a continuation of a 3 year history of choking in big situations. Tony Romo's performance has plummeted in the months of December and January. He's a choke artist. Deal with it. Instead of trying to make excuses for him, you should be calling him out just like everyone else.

And no, that comment wasn't stupid at all. If I could choose any QB to win one huge game with my life on the line, neither Tony Romo nor Peyton Manning would be anywhere near the top of my list. Neither of them would even cross my mind.
Well Peyton should cross your mind considering HE BEAT the Patriots with the game on the line... Ooops  must have forgot that HUH???   LOL    Get real man- your as bad a Bookiebuster with this nonsense..... And in no way am I "defending" Romo- I am merely putting his VERY SHORT career as a starter into perspective.   Also, how was Romo and Dallas " heavy favorites" in his first year as a starter???  They were 9-7 for Christs sake and an underdog to Seattle!   Your bias is starting to show as well.... As you like to say, state the facts and back them up with stats.............RIGHT???   And you need to stop defending your Boy Toy Matt Ryan because of right now- he isn't anything but a ROOKIE QB on a very good team (as you like to say)- boy that sounds like your analogy of Big Ben HUH??    LOL
#41 | 2085 days ago

Romo gets a bad rap since he's the QB thats fine.  But Romo/Homo comments are ridiculous.  Jessica Simpson is bad @$$.  Some people call Favre a choker and he's been MVP.  Favre has choked as f late.  For the Jets to miss the playoffs is really bad.  And that Pick he threw last year that woulda put them in the Superbowl...I dunno.  Romo has a lot of time to lose this CHOKER label.
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#42 | 2084 days ago

MarkTheShark wrote:
Manning as a ROOKIE = 3-13 MANNING IN HIS SECOND YEAR! = 13-3
lol as much as i love someone making manning look better than another qb...i have to point out his passer rating which as a QB shows better on ability than the teams win loss record.....what im getting at is romo actually has a better rating that manning did his first 3 years
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#43 | 2084 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
lol as much as i love someone making manning look better than another qb...i have to point out his passer rating which as a QB shows better on ability than the teams win loss record.....what im getting at is romo actually has a better rating that manning did his first 3 years
so are you referring to the fact he is going to be better?
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#44 | 2084 days ago

vindog wrote:
Romo as a "ROOKIE" (started in week #6 when Dallas was 3-3)=  9-7    Romo in his second year=  13-3       BTW, Manning DID NOT WIN A PLAYOFF GAME until his 6th year in the league and choked in the playoffs 3 times......... Now, your point was what??????     Just by those stats, Manning is(was) a much bigger choke artist than Romo- period!!!
please vin show me how Manning HIMSELF choked 3 times.....
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#45 | 2084 days ago

Pat wrote:
Arguing about who is the worse choke artist between Romo and Peyton Manning is like arguing about which transvestite is better looking. Unless you're sick in the head, both choices should make you throw up in your mouth a little bit.
never seen anyone throw up from jealousy before but...if i ever thought it would be one a Pats fan fits perfect
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#46 | 2084 days ago

Pat wrote:
"So if Matt Ryan of the Falcons or Joe Flacco of the Ravens lose their 1st games in the playoffs this season- do they belong in the " Biggest Choke Artists in NFL History" category along with Romo, Manning, and many many others?????"

Nope. Because if Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco lose, it won't be as heavy favorites, nor will it be a continuation of a 3 year history of choking in big situations. Tony Romo's performance has plummeted in the months of December and January. He's a choke artist. Deal with it. Instead of trying to make excuses for him, you should be calling him out just like everyone else.

And no, that comment wasn't stupid at all. If I could choose any QB to win one huge game with my life on the line, neither Tony Romo nor Peyton Manning would be anywhere near the top of my list. Neither of them would even cross my mind.
neither would tom brady after last year
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#47 | 2084 days ago

taylordanley wrote:
so are you referring to the fact he is going to be better?
better than PEYTON MANNING?? ARE YOU REALLY KIDDING? PLEASE SAY YOU ARE?

With Tom Brady Not coming back and missing years, aside from his records he holds peyton will absolutely blast Most of the records left, and barring a great coming out of ANOTHER great qb, he will be the best qb ever...you have to be kidding yourself if you think romo is half of the leader,passer, decision maker, OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR, (god i could go on and on but will end it with an etc.) that Peyton is.....you wanna talk about someone stupid, that is stupid. Peyton has DRAGGED this team to where they are now. NO RUN GAME, which means no play action (The colts bread and Butter) that means the clocks also not being run down like usual. Horrible defense yet he managed to take his team this far, do you watch espn, nfl network, or do you just jump on here, think you know everything and start running off at the mouth???? please take a few years and watch FOOTBALL.... NOT THE COWBOYS... the ENTIRE NFL. then when you actually know some stuff come back and we will talk until then i believe i could have better converasations with my 11 year old stepson about this

the fact he is going to be better HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ROFL LMMFAO......Romo at this point will be lucky if he plays HALF the time that Peyton has

i think this is a perfect which Faniq'er said what post.....
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#48 | 2084 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
please vin show me how Manning HIMSELF choked 3 times.....
January 16, 2000: Divisional round, Titans at Colts
Manning went 19 for 43 (44%) with 227 yards and no scores, Colts lose 19-16, QB Rating: 60.9

January 4, 2003: Wild Card round, Colts at Jets
Manning was 14-31 for 137 yards, 0 TD and 2 INT, 0 total points scored by the Colts, QB Rating: 31.2

January 18, 2004: AFC Championship Game, Colts at Patriots
Manning went 23 for 47 with 237 yards, 1 TD and 4 INT's, QB Rating: 35.5

January 16, 2005: Divisional Playoff Round, Colts at Patriots
Manning was 27 for 42 with 238 yards, 0 TD and 1 INT, 3 total points scored by the Colts, QB Rating: 64.3


Just for good luck, here's another time when Peyton choked, but his defense bailed him out:

January 13, 2007: Divisional Playoff Round, Colts at Ravens
Manning went 15 for 30 with 170 yards, 0 TD and 2 INT, 15 points scored by the Colts, all on field goals, QB Rating: 50.0

He also threw 3 INT's the week before against the Chiefs, but Vinatieri hit 2 long field goals and Herm Edwards, being his usual self, coached about as badly as anyone could possibly coach, and the Chiefs only put up 8 points.

That's 4 undeniable choke jobs, as well as 2 others were Manning played like crap and got away with it.

His career QB rating in the regular season is 94.7 ... in the playoffs, it's 61.8 ... I realize the defenses are better in the playoffs, but that is a HUGE disparity. Considering the fact that he has playoff games in which he has had ratings of 90.9, 97.7, 138.7, 145.7 and 158.3, that goes to show you just how terrible he was in many of the other games.
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#49 | 2084 days ago

 Yep I remember that game on January 4th 2003 was was a pretty atrocious performance by Manning. He looked like a chicken with his head cut off trying to direct players this way and that before the snap.
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#50 | 2084 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
neither would tom brady after last year
Brady led his team to a perfect season, and they had the lead with less than one minute remaining in the Super Bowl. He has a playoff TD-INT ratio of 26-12 in the playoffs, 3 Super Bowl rings, 2 Super Bowl MVP's, and a 14-3 postseason record, and you're going to tell me that because the Giants scored on one of the most ridiculous drives in Super Bowl history, including one of the luckiest plays in Super Bowl history, suddenly Tom Brady isn't the best clutch QB in the league?

You've gotta be kidding me.
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#51 | 2084 days ago

Pat wrote:
Brady led his team to a perfect season, and they had the lead with less than one minute remaining in the Super Bowl. He has a playoff TD-INT ratio of 26-12 in the playoffs, 3 Super Bowl rings, 2 Super Bowl MVP's, and a 14-3 postseason record, and you're going to tell me that because the Giants scored on one of the most ridiculous drives in Super Bowl history, including one of the luckiest plays in Super Bowl history, suddenly Tom Brady isn't the best clutch QB in the league?

You've gotta be kidding me.
your getting defensive and changing things again.....what i was trying to avoid was saying that he isnt playing anymore, his career is probably over, that exactly what i told you would happen this year happened. I told you last year that his cocky little butt was going to get hurt this year...and he did....and hes probably done with his NFL career.

you wanna take your little blown kneed "clutch QB" you go right ahead but RIGHT NOW in the present not back when those rings came around with him losing a superbowl AND his knee being blown you expect me to take him as my clutch QB? as long as were talking on the thread about game ending pics i have like 30 of the same cards all showing how brady thew the interception for us to move past them and beyond.

how about 17 straight completions? how about all of this for starters??

Year Record 2006 First QB to record more than 4,000 passing yards in seven seasons 2005 First QB to pass for at least 25 touchdowns in eight consecutive seasons 2004 Set single-season marks for most touchdown passes (49) and highest passer rating (121.1) 2003 First player to throw five touchdown passes in one game three times in one season (including playoffs) 2002 First QB to record more than 4,000 passing yards in four consecutive seasons

Since the Colts drafted Manning in 1998, the team has the highest conversion rate on 3rd down (44.6%) and 4th down (61.1%) plays out of every team in the league. While leading the Colts all the way to their Super Bowl XLI victory in 2006, Manning and the Colts set a NFL record by converting 56.1% of their 3rd downs in the regular season.

He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201 yards and 89 touchdowns and won 39 of 45 games as a starter, breaking the Southeastern Conference (SEC) record for career wins.

In his rookie season, he passed for 3,739 yards with 26 touchdowns, set five different NFL rookie records, including most touchdown passes in a season, and was named to the NFL All-Rookie First Team

During the 2001 season, Manning and the Colts introduced the league to their now-signature no-huddle offense, and used it to great effect in a Week 1 rout of the Jets, 45–24

in 2003 , He also earned AFC Offensive Player of the Month honors for the month of October.[50] In the Wild Card playoff round Manning and the Colts defeated the Denver Broncos 41-10, his first playoff win. He passed for 377 yards and 5 touchdowns in the game, earning him a perfect passer rating, his second of the season and the fourth of his career.

2004, During the month of November, Manning was named the AFC Offensive Player of the Week twice; once for his 5 touchdown performance in a 49–14 blowout of Houston and once for his performance in a 41–9 win at Detroit in which he threw 6 touchdowns in less than three quarters

2005, Manning finished the season with 3,747 passing yards, the first time he had thrown for under 4,000 yards since his rookie season of 1998, largely due to the fact that Manning sat out much of the final two games with the top AFC seed clinched. His quarterback rating of 104.1 was the highest in the league for the season.[49]
Manning ended the regular season with 4,397 passing yards and a league-leading 31 touchdown passes. His quarterback rating (101.0) was the highest in the league for the third year in a row.[49]

In the AFC Championship game, the Colts trailed 21–3 before coming back to defeat the Patriots for the title by a score of 38–34. Late in the fourth quarter, Manning led an 80 yard touchdown drive to take the lead and finished with 349 passing yards and two touchdowns. The comeback was the largest deficit ever overcome in a conference championship


this year

For the third week in a row, Manning used the 4th quarter to bring the Colts back from a 27-10 deficit in the last 5 minutes against the Houston Texans to a 31-27 victory. It was the first time a NFL team had wona game in regulation after trailing by 17 points in the last 5 minutes
t marked the 11th straight season Manning had thrown at least 20 TD passes, the 2nd longest streak ever

It marked their 7th straight win, 7th straight season with 10+ wins, and they became the only team in NFL history to have a winning streak of at least 7 games in 5 straight seasons.

Manning completed 29 of 34 passes (85.7%) for 364 yards and 3 TDs. It increased his NFL record streak of seasons with 25 TD passes to 11. Manning and the Colts tied a NFL record by winning 3 games in a season in which they trailed by at least 14 points.

It was the 19th time he has won the award, passing Dan Marino for the most all-time since the award was originated in 1984

He completed all 7 of his passes for 95 yards and a TD, extending his NFL record to nine seasons with 4000 yards passing, and also extended the record to a sixth straight season he led the Colts to at least 12 wins.

1 Peyton Manning 1/9/2005 Indianapolis Colts Denver Broncos W 49-24 33 27 458 4 1 145.7
2 Dan Marino 1/6/1985 Miami Dolphins @Pittsburgh Steelers W 45-28 32 21 421 4 1 135.4
3 Don Strock 1/2/1982 Miami Dolphins San Diego Chargers L 41-38 OT 43 29 403 4 1 118.7
4 Dan Fouts 1/2/1982 San Diego Chargers @Miami Dolphins W 41-38 OT 53 33 433 3 1 116.2
5 Kelly Holcomb 1/5/2003 Cleveland Browns @Pittsburgh Steelers L 36-33 43 26 429 3 1 107.6
6 Jeff George 1/17/2000 Minnesota Vikings @St. Louis Rams L 49-37 50 29 423 4 1 104.0
7 Kurt Warner 1/30/2000 St. Louis Rams Tennessee Titans W 23-16 45 24 414 2 0 99.7
8 Peyton Manning 1/13/2008 Indianapolis Colts San Diego Chargers L 28-24 48 33 402 3 2 97.7
9 Jim Kelly 1/6/1990 Buffalo Bills @Cleveland Browns L 34-30 54 28 405 4 2 85.8
10 Daryle Lamonica 12/29/1968 Oakland Raiders @New York Jets L 27-23 47 20 401 1 0 80.2
11 Bernie Kosar 1/3/1987 Cleveland Browns New York Jets W 23-20 OT 64 33 489 1 2 69.1
12 Dan Marino 10/1/1995 Miami Dolphins Buffalo Bills L 37-22 64 33 422 2 3 63.4
13 Randall Cunningham 12/31/1988 Philadelphia Eagles @Chicago Bears L 20-12 54 27 407 0 3 52.0

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#52 | 2084 days ago

bunch of random FACTS above
 but here is his PLAYOFF records only......geez what a choke artist.....
Playoff records

  • Most 400+ yard passing games: 2 (tied with Dan Marino) [178]
  • Most yards passing, 1st half of game: 360 vs. Denver Broncos, 1/9/05[179]
  • Led the biggest comeback in conference championship game history (18 pts), 1/21/07 vs. New England[180]
  • One of only four QB's to post a perfect 158.3 rating in a game (Don Meredith, Terry Bradshaw, Dave Krieg)[181]
  • One of only three QB's to complete 30 or more passes in 2 playoff games (Warren Moon, Tom Brady)
  • Most consecutive games with 20+ completions: 7 (tied w/Tom Brady)

funny in hindsite going over the list of QB's who have passed for over 400 yards in a game i see cassel twice...but no Brady...hmmm...i see bledsoe also. Tom brady has 1 career game perfect passer rating....peyton has 4 your getting the compact version of all of his records. im sorry but ill take the BETTER QB, not team with rings, QB. you explain to me how Brady is so good, that bledsoe AND Cassel have over 400 yard games in the same offenses Brady played in and hes better....TEAM rings, or QB records. This is kind of for everyone ive been chating with.....hes such a choker hes going down in history for BIGGEST CHAMPIONSHIP COMEBACK.......haters man.....haters....
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#53 | 2084 days ago

my only remaining question to be a quote Unquote choke artist it you have to consecutively CHOKE. You cant be a non choker AND a choker.....
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#54 | 2084 days ago

Recidivism — that is to say, the same player or team coming close to winning the championship repeatedly without ever actually succeeding in doing so — is another aggravating factor, and indeed this condition is present in virtually all of the most proverbial examples of those castigated as chokers
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#55 | 2084 days ago

Being "clutch" is often seen by sportswriters, fans, and athletes themselves as an innate skill which some players have while others do not, although most objective research does not support this claim

this said your point is moot
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#56 | 2084 days ago

Pat wrote:
January 16, 2000: Divisional round, Titans at Colts
Manning went 19 for 43 (44%) with 227 yards and no scores, Colts lose 19-16, QB Rating: 60.9

January 4, 2003: Wild Card round, Colts at Jets
Manning was 14-31 for 137 yards, 0 TD and 2 INT, 0 total points scored by the Colts, QB Rating: 31.2

January 18, 2004: AFC Championship Game, Colts at Patriots
Manning went 23 for 47 with 237 yards, 1 TD and 4 INT's, QB Rating: 35.5

January 16, 2005: Divisional Playoff Round, Colts at Patriots
Manning was 27 for 42 with 238 yards, 0 TD and 1 INT, 3 total points scored by the Colts, QB Rating: 64.3


Just for good luck, here's another time when Peyton choked, but his defense bailed him out:

January 13, 2007: Divisional Playoff Round, Colts at Ravens
Manning went 15 for 30 with 170 yards, 0 TD and 2 INT, 15 points scored by the Colts, all on field goals, QB Rating: 50.0

He also threw 3 INT's the week before against the Chiefs, but Vinatieri hit 2 long field goals and Herm Edwards, being his usual self, coached about as badly as anyone could possibly coach, and the Chiefs only put up 8 points.

That's 4 undeniable choke jobs, as well as 2 others were Manning played like crap and got away with it.

His career QB rating in the regular season is 94.7 ... in the playoffs, it's 61.8 ... I realize the defenses are better in the playoffs, but that is a HUGE disparity. Considering the fact that he has playoff games in which he has had ratings of 90.9, 97.7, 138.7, 145.7 and 158.3, that goes to show you just how terrible he was in many of the other games.
i mean you got me there but the fact remains he beat your in between championship runs team to get there and win the big one.....you hate when i say Brady choked yet youll say it about someone else?? Kinda hypocritical, especially since he has now won a superbowl...could i say brady choked and threw a pick to get us there?? i COULD but i wouldnt because next to his skill is completely retarded to say (about brady or manning) I hate the lack of respect that BOTH of them get from non fans and you know that Pat. I respect Brady and it sucks that hes out, i would never wish that, or want it, but fact remains Manning is a historical QB.

DId he or did he not CARRY his team to the playoffs this year?? No way to say that he didnt and if anyone says he didnt then i guess they disagree with most of the people who get paid to notice those things.......Romo will come around or he wont be playing anymore as simple as that. as ive heard said before maybe he needs some competition for his job to get him going, a better O line would help, better secondary, healthy running backs. less EGO's etc....Tony Romo is a great Person and could be a Good Qb, but rival Manning, better than manning, or brady never...
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#57 | 2084 days ago

(Edited by bayareabeast21)
 [ X]  I would love to bang Jessica Simpson

 [X]   With all their talent Dallas should be a playoff team

 [   ]   Tony Romo has won a playoff game
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#58 | 2084 days ago
vindog (+)

RobPeyton wrote:
please vin show me how Manning HIMSELF choked 3 times.....
I am NOT implying that Manning "himself" choked........ I was merely showing stats from his first 3 years in comparison to Romo. IMO, NO QB should be solely responsible for a team loss unless it was directly his fault, which most of the time it is not.
#59 | 2084 days ago

I say yes!!!!!!!!! For the past three years T. Romo let all Dallas fans down. First he couldn't hold the ball then he throws the ball to someone covered by three defensive backs and this year. I say get rid of him the Cowboys have wide receivers,running backs, tight ends, and a pretty good defense. So all they need is a quarterback that can finish the job.
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#60 | 2084 days ago

I'm not denying that Peyton Manning has had good games in the playoffs. He has certainly had better games than Tom Brady. But he has also had MANY games that were WORSE than Brady. And EVERY year, he played poorly enough to cost his team a win. Year after year, everyone blamed the defense, but year after year, Peyton played DO poorly in at least one playoff game, that it didn't matter what his defense did, because 0 points will never win you a game. In his Super Bowl run, Manning got tons of credit for "getting the monkey off his back", but in reality, he did no such thing. He was worse than ever that year. The only  reason they won was because of the much-maligned defense, which held 2 teams to under 10 points.
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#61 | 2084 days ago

asega76 wrote:
I say yes!!!!!!!!! For the past three years T. Romo let all Dallas fans down. First he couldn't hold the ball then he throws the ball to someone covered by three defensive backs and this year. I say get rid of him the Cowboys have wide receivers,running backs, tight ends, and a pretty good defense. So all they need is a quarterback that can finish the job.
u gotta remember the best thing about Romo....HE PUTS UP WITH T.O. better than anyone else thats been around him....you think the team fell apart this year??? Imagine him and Brett Favre on the same team.....hahahahaha hold on thats funnier than i thought it would be
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#62 | 2084 days ago

Pat wrote:
I'm not denying that Peyton Manning has had good games in the playoffs. He has certainly had better games than Tom Brady. But he has also had MANY games that were WORSE than Brady. And EVERY year, he played poorly enough to cost his team a win. Year after year, everyone blamed the defense, but year after year, Peyton played DO poorly in at least one playoff game, that it didn't matter what his defense did, because 0 points will never win you a game. In his Super Bowl run, Manning got tons of credit for "getting the monkey off his back", but in reality, he did no such thing. He was worse than ever that year. The only  reason they won was because of the much-maligned defense, which held 2 teams to under 10 points.
i understand that completely but you cant label him a choker because he DOES HAVE GOOD GAMES. if it was one good game, i could see it but absolutely GREAT GAMES, and bad ones......well theres not a QB out there that doesnt have those bottom line is with a good team you can throw 176 yards and crush them, manning puts up 300, 400 and still barely wins. theres no way in hell that a qb should have 300 yards and lose.....thats a defensive problem, in games he couldnt score, ive seen all types of GREATS have those games, lol his just happen to be playoffs, but you have to remember some of his GREATEST games are ALSO in the playoffs. Meaning you cant label him a choker.....
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#63 | 2084 days ago

In the AFC Championship game, the Colts trailed 21–3 before coming back to defeat the Patriots for the title by a score of 38–34. Late in the fourth quarter, Manning led an 80 yard touchdown drive to take the lead and finished with 349 passing yards and two touchdowns. The comeback was the largest deficit ever overcome in a conference championship

the above equals NOT A CHOKER
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#64 | 2084 days ago

get off his nuts
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#65 | 2084 days ago

True but TO gets the job done. Plain and simple Romo is just as lame as his girlfriend. Fact remains Dallas needs a new quarter back that doesn't fall apart when the game is on the line. Dallas simply needs a quarter back like Tom Brady, or Campbell.
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#66 | 2084 days ago

taylordanley wrote:
get off his nuts
hahaha bravo man, you got me, im all over my Idols and one of the greatest QB's evers nuts....man your vicious wording has just broken my heart...

like i said watch some football and when you can spout something other than insults come talk me until then ill leave you with this

i really truly feel bad for you so in front of everyone on this post i concede sir.....you are just so right.....i cant go on anymore..you win..

there at least i made someone from dallas a winner this year
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#67 | 2083 days ago

This is only Romo's second full year as a starter....are you kidding me...he is already getting judged like this after only 2 years...if he goes another 2 or 3 years and he is still performing this way..then maybe i could see where your coming from...but only 2 years of starting....give the man a break...i guess your gonna make a poll about Rogers not takin the packers to the playoffs too huh

#68 | 2083 days ago

STLCardinalsFan wrote:

This is only Romo's second full year as a starter....are you kidding me...he is already getting judged like this after only 2 years...if he goes another 2 or 3 years and he is still performing this way..then maybe i could see where your coming from...but only 2 years of starting....give the man a break...i guess your gonna make a poll about Rogers not takin the packers to the playoffs too huh

No because I don't care about the Packers. I've always been a Cowboys fan. I said it before and I'll say it again Romo Sucks get rid of him. Look at Matt Cassel he took over after Brady got hurt and look at how he did his first season. Here's a poem for real Cowboys fans: 
On the Seventh Day... God Said, "Let There Be Football" And It Was Good. Later That Day God Said, "Let There Be One Team To Rule The Others, To Set The Standard For Excellence." With That He Plucked A Star From The Heavens And Placed It On A Helmet Of Silver And Blue. God Then Said, "Let Them Be Called: The Dallas Cowboys."
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#69 | 2083 days ago

STLCardinalsFan wrote:

This is only Romo's second full year as a starter....are you kidding me...he is already getting judged like this after only 2 years...if he goes another 2 or 3 years and he is still performing this way..then maybe i could see where your coming from...but only 2 years of starting....give the man a break...i guess your gonna make a poll about Rogers not takin the packers to the playoffs too huh

3 years maybe not full but 3 years
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#70 | 2083 days ago

asega76 wrote:
No because I don't care about the Packers. I've always been a Cowboys fan. I said it before and I'll say it again Romo Sucks get rid of him. Look at Matt Cassel he took over after Brady got hurt and look at how he did his first season. Here's a poem for real Cowboys fans: 
On the Seventh Day... God Said, "Let There Be Football" And It Was Good. Later That Day God Said, "Let There Be One Team To Rule The Others, To Set The Standard For Excellence." With That He Plucked A Star From The Heavens And Placed It On A Helmet Of Silver And Blue. God Then Said, "Let Them Be Called: The Dallas Cowboys."
yeah cause god loves Texas SOOOOO MUCH!!! wouldn't it be the Jerusalem Cowboys????
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#71 | 2083 days ago

On the Seventh Day... God Said, "Let There Be Football" And It Was Good. Later That Day God Said, "Let There Be One Team To Rule The Others, To Set The Standard For Excellence." With That He Plucked A Star From The Heavens And Placed It On A Helmet Of Silver And Blue. God Then Said, "Let Them Be Called: The Dallas Cowboys."

Someone please tell me this is a joke!!!  I am still laughing on this one.  And I thought  "America's team" was funny!!!
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#72 | 2083 days ago
vindog (+)

JemJenn wrote:
On the Seventh Day... God Said, "Let There Be Football" And It Was Good. Later That Day God Said, "Let There Be One Team To Rule The Others, To Set The Standard For Excellence." With That He Plucked A Star From The Heavens And Placed It On A Helmet Of Silver And Blue. God Then Said, "Let Them Be Called: The Dallas Cowboys."

Someone please tell me this is a joke!!!  I am still laughing on this one.  And I thought  "America's team" was funny!!!
I'm the self proclaimed "BIGGEST DALLAS COWBOYS FAN IN THE WORLD"  and I wouldn't even say anything like that!  LOL
#73 | 2083 days ago

I think everybody here needs to watch a little George Carlin
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#74 | 2083 days ago

PQ's now ....  wish i could see where they come from to even it out.....i never give out PQ's.......i think its a little immature...especially if it's only because i dont agree with what someones saying.. but hey what do you expect!!!
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#75 | 2083 days ago

taylordanley wrote:
I think everybody here needs to watch a little George Carlin
i love george carlin....(god rest his soul)
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#76 | 2083 days ago

vindog wrote:
At least one good thing came out of this Eagles loss....... I don't have to listen to all of you idiots (j/k) talking about how Romo choked in the playoffs again.. LOL
pq's for you to for no reason and your a dallas fan guess i cant complain if its coming from both sides...
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#77 | 2083 days ago
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RobPeyton wrote:
pq's for you to for no reason and your a dallas fan guess i cant complain if its coming from both sides...
Yeah i know, I get PQed all the time for no good reason... Whatever- it just shows the maturity level on this site!
#78 | 2082 days ago

vindog wrote:
Yeah i know, I get PQed all the time for no good reason... Whatever- it just shows the maturity level on this site!
i frankly hate the PQ part, Way i see it with all the active mod's if its bad enough to be pq'd they would be better at it than any random person who gets mad that you don't see things in the same light as they!! or new people who think its cool, or PQ stalkers.....
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#79 | 2082 days ago

(Edited by chicachericola)
simond74 wrote:
to be fair Pat, hasn't their December record poor before Romo took over at the helm?  One of the problems is that our QB depth is currently so average, there's no pressure on Romo to push himself - he's in a comfortable spot, long term highly lucrative contract, and no incentive to improve.  To screw up as many times as he has in big games is more than just coincidence - I think it's a basic flaw in his temperament
I would think keeping your job would be incentive enough. No ones job is that secure in the NFL. Not to mention the fact that his contract is up at some point and if he keeps this up, he is buying himself a first class ticket to a doomed franchise.
#80 | 2082 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
i frankly hate the PQ part, Way i see it with all the active mod's if its bad enough to be pq'd they would be better at it than any random person who gets mad that you don't see things in the same light as they!! or new people who think its cool, or PQ stalkers.....
who drops PQ's on comments about PQ's ???? Lol its kinda funny now that i think about it!
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#81 | 2082 days ago
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Not being a dallas fan I find it amusing. Every big game I bet on dallas to lose. So far he's made me some money.
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#82 | 2082 days ago
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Not being a dallas fan I find it amusing. Every big game I bet on dallas to lose. So far he's made me some money.
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#83 | 2082 days ago

That's funny to me as while. Because when I bet on the Raiders I make money too.
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#84 | 2081 days ago

JemJenn wrote:
On the Seventh Day... God Said, "Let There Be Football" And It Was Good. Later That Day God Said, "Let There Be One Team To Rule The Others, To Set The Standard For Excellence." With That He Plucked A Star From The Heavens And Placed It On A Helmet Of Silver And Blue. God Then Said, "Let Them Be Called: The Dallas Cowboys."

Someone please tell me this is a joke!!!  I am still laughing on this one.  And I thought  "America's team" was funny!!!
Laughing is healthy,Besides you need a sense of humor with the way the niners and the aggies preform...Remember Laughter is the best medicine  : )
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#85 | 2081 days ago

somethingwicked27 wrote:
Laughing is healthy,Besides you need a sense of humor with the way the niners and the aggies preform...Remember Laughter is the best medicine  : )
I never claimed the Niners were great...i know they suck at the moment, but they will always be my team.  And as far as the Aggies...their football is a total joke, but with them being my daughters college team and the amount of $ going there every year...heck yeah I am gonna support them.
But they still don't compare to the joke in that poem!!
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#86 | 2081 days ago

 I am sick of Romo having to take the blame for all of it. He is far from being the total problem. I am sorry, but TO is a cancer when he can't shut his mouth and you try being a quaterback and trying to keep TO and twin brat Roy Williams happy. It's ridiculous. I don't care who gets the ball. Just win.
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#87 | 2081 days ago

larrystarstruck wrote:
 I am sick of Romo having to take the blame for all of it. He is far from being the total problem. I am sorry, but TO is a cancer when he can't shut his mouth and you try being a quaterback and trying to keep TO and twin brat Roy Williams happy. It's ridiculous. I don't care who gets the ball. Just win.
...but if the Cowboys had won the Superbowl, you can bet your life that Romo would have been at the front of it all, saying crap like 'I battled back from injury to get the team together', or 'I was able to throw some great passes', or 'I got the team into great field position' etc...

I think if you live by the sword you die by the sword.  The fact remains that in pressure situations over the last 2-3 years, Romo has shown to be short of the mark - throwing key interceptions, fumbling the ball (both in kicks and in open play), turning the ball over.  Don't get me wrong, he's good, but not the finished article.
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#88 | 2081 days ago
vindog (+)

simond74 wrote:
...but if the Cowboys had won the Superbowl, you can bet your life that Romo would have been at the front of it all, saying crap like 'I battled back from injury to get the team together', or 'I was able to throw some great passes', or 'I got the team into great field position' etc...

I think if you live by the sword you die by the sword.  The fact remains that in pressure situations over the last 2-3 years, Romo has shown to be short of the mark - throwing key interceptions, fumbling the ball (both in kicks and in open play), turning the ball over.  Don't get me wrong, he's good, but not the finished article.
When has Romo ever been an "I" kind of guy??? He is one of the most humble football players in the NFL and NEVER takes the credit when they win. He does however, ALWAYS take the blame when the lose... just a thought!
#89 | 2081 days ago

vindog wrote:
When has Romo ever been an "I" kind of guy??? He is one of the most humble football players in the NFL and NEVER takes the credit when they win. He does however, ALWAYS take the blame when the lose... just a thought!
I was thinking the same exact thing. I haven't seen every Tony Romo interview in the world, but in the ones I have seen, he doesn't appear to be a selfish player at all. I have no idea where he's getting that from. As much as I love to give him crap, he really does seem to be a good guy, by all accounts.
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#90 | 2081 days ago

Pat wrote:
I was thinking the same exact thing. I haven't seen every Tony Romo interview in the world, but in the ones I have seen, he doesn't appear to be a selfish player at all. I have no idea where he's getting that from. As much as I love to give him crap, he really does seem to be a good guy, by all accounts.
no doubt he is, i havent seen him take any credit anywhere either....he always seems like he kept that fun high school, team, mentality like a brotherhood the way football USED to be played.....unlike others like T.O.

Romo says all for one and one for all

T.O. Says I am one and I am all....

big difference
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#91 | 2081 days ago

Pat wrote:
I was thinking the same exact thing. I haven't seen every Tony Romo interview in the world, but in the ones I have seen, he doesn't appear to be a selfish player at all. I have no idea where he's getting that from. As much as I love to give him crap, he really does seem to be a good guy, by all accounts.
...I only buy Pepsi because of Tony Romo..
#92 | 2081 days ago

Fair enough - all I'm saying is that winning the top prize can do funny things to even the most humble of people - although it would make the TO's of this world completely unbearable.  Other people in sport - even the most humble ones - have been known to become I's rather than We's when success has come their way
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#93 | 2081 days ago

did you have any thoughts about the second part of my answer - which related back to the original question?
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#94 | 2081 days ago
vindog (+)

Can we now add Matt Ryan to the list of "Choke Artists"?   199 yards  2TDs and 2 INTS that led directly to 14 points for the Cardinals- sure sounds like a choke artist to me;  and he is now 0-1 in the playoffs !! LOL   Just putting it into perspective guys...........
#95 | 2081 days ago

vindog wrote:
Can we now add Matt Ryan to the list of "Choke Artists"?   199 yards  2TDs and 2 INTS that led directly to 14 points for the Cardinals- sure sounds like a choke artist to me;  and he is now 0-1 in the playoffs !! LOL   Just putting it into perspective guys...........
Ryan also threw 2 TD's in that game, something that Tony Romo has never done in the playoffs. Ryan also didn't screw up a ridiculously easy play with the game on the line, like Romo did against the Seahawks. Forget the fact that the Falcons were a 4-12 team last year, and no one was picking them to win the Super Bowl. The Falcons vastly exceeded expectations... unlike the Cowboys, who miserably failed to meet expectations.

Face it, Vin... you're in denial.
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#96 | 2081 days ago
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(Edited by vindog)
Pat wrote:
Ryan also threw 2 TD's in that game, something that Tony Romo has never done in the playoffs. Ryan also didn't screw up a ridiculously easy play with the game on the line, like Romo did against the Seahawks. Forget the fact that the Falcons were a 4-12 team last year, and no one was picking them to win the Super Bowl. The Falcons vastly exceeded expectations... unlike the Cowboys, who miserably failed to meet expectations.

Face it, Vin... you're in denial.
Here are the FACTS Pat.......  Romo- vs- Seattle  189 yards  1 TD 0 INT ( yes he did screw up a field goal)  Romo-vs- NY Giants  201 yards 1TD and 1 INT (on last play of the game)         Matt Ryan -vs- Cardinals  199 yards  2TDs  2INTs (that led directly to 14 points for the Birds)        Please explain the difference here- there is none! That stats are damn near identical...........     You face it Pat... you are in denial    BTW, I dont remember Romo throwing 2 INTs against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL either...
#97 | 2081 days ago

vindog wrote:
Here are the FACTS Pat.......  Romo- vs- Seattle  189 yards  1 TD 0 INT ( yes he did screw up a field goal)  Romo-vs- NY Giants  201 yards 1TD and 1 INT (on last play of the game)         Matt Ryan -vs- Cardinals  199 yards  2TDs  2INTs (that led directly to 14 points for the Birds)        Please explain the difference here- there is none! That stats are damn near identical...........     You face it Pat... you are in denial    BTW, I dont remember Romo throwing 2 INTs against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL either...
Here are some more facts:

Romo wasn't a rookie.
Ryan didn't have a couple years to sit behind a guy who has a history of guiding young QB's to success (remember some guy named Brady who took over for Bledsoe?).
Ryan didn't fumble the ball on the potential game-winning field goal.
Tony Romo has never played well in a big game. It can be said that Ryan hasn't, either, but he hasn't played as extraordinarily BAD as Romo, nor has he played in as many big games yet.

In the end, Matt Ryan's INT's were among many reasons why the Falcons lost. They also couldn't run the ball, couldn't stop the run, dropped some key passes, and couldn't stop the big play. Did Ryan play well enough for them to win? Obviously not. If he had played better, could they have won? Yes, I'm almost 100% sure of it. But does that mean he choked? I think the case could certainly be made for both sides of that argument. Does that make him a choker? No. Is he even anywhere near the level of big game ineptitude of Tony Romo? Absolutely not... there's no question about it.

I'm not saying that Matt Ryan put in an MVP performance tonight. But that really has nothing to do with the fact that Tony Romo has had his worst performances in his biggest games. No amount of excuses and mudslinging will ever change that.
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#98 | 2081 days ago
vindog (+)

Pat wrote:
Here are some more facts:

Romo wasn't a rookie.
Ryan didn't have a couple years to sit behind a guy who has a history of guiding young QB's to success (remember some guy named Brady who took over for Bledsoe?).
Ryan didn't fumble the ball on the potential game-winning field goal.
Tony Romo has never played well in a big game. It can be said that Ryan hasn't, either, but he hasn't played as extraordinarily BAD as Romo, nor has he played in as many big games yet.

In the end, Matt Ryan's INT's were among many reasons why the Falcons lost. They also couldn't run the ball, couldn't stop the run, dropped some key passes, and couldn't stop the big play. Did Ryan play well enough for them to win? Obviously not. If he had played better, could they have won? Yes, I'm almost 100% sure of it. But does that mean he choked? I think the case could certainly be made for both sides of that argument. Does that make him a choker? No. Is he even anywhere near the level of big game ineptitude of Tony Romo? Absolutely not... there's no question about it.

I'm not saying that Matt Ryan put in an MVP performance tonight. But that really has nothing to do with the fact that Tony Romo has had his worst performances in his biggest games. No amount of excuses and mudslinging will ever change that.
Funny, when the Cowboys lose- it's ALL Romos fault- but when the Falcons lost- its a team game!  You Sir are becoming ridiculous now!!!!   BTW, Romo has played in ONE MORE "Big Game" than Matt Ryan has- they have only been to the playoffs twice with Romo as the starting QB!    There is NO DIFFERENCE in the way both of these QB's preformed in the playoffs- PERIOD!  The stats are identical........ Maybe someday you wil realize that football is a team game and it takes more than ONE GUY to lose the game!
#99 | 2081 days ago

vindog wrote:
Funny, when the Cowboys lose- it's ALL Romos fault- but when the Falcons lost- its a team game!  You Sir are becoming ridiculous now!!!!   BTW, Romo has played in ONE MORE "Big Game" than Matt Ryan has- they have only been to the playoffs twice with Romo as the starting QB!    There is NO DIFFERENCE in the way both of these QB's preformed in the playoffs- PERIOD!  The stats are identical........ Maybe someday you wil realize that football is a team game and it takes more than ONE GUY to lose the game!
You don't think the Eagles game last week was a big game? I mean... the winner of that game was guaranteed a playoff berth. That's essentially a playoff game. And of course, he sucked in that one, too.

And no, the stats weren't identical. Nor were the situations. Nor were the teams. Nor has Ryan done this more than once. Keep living in denial. It still won't help the Cowboys win a playoff game.

You seem frustrated... is it because the Cardinals have won TWO playoff games since the Cowboys won their last one?
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#100 | 2081 days ago

(Edited by bayareabeast21)
vindog wrote:
Funny, when the Cowboys lose- it's ALL Romos fault- but when the Falcons lost- its a team game!  You Sir are becoming ridiculous now!!!!   BTW, Romo has played in ONE MORE "Big Game" than Matt Ryan has- they have only been to the playoffs twice with Romo as the starting QB!    There is NO DIFFERENCE in the way both of these QB's preformed in the playoffs- PERIOD!  The stats are identical........ Maybe someday you wil realize that football is a team game and it takes more than ONE GUY to lose the game!
 This was Ryan's first playoff game, and he didn't botch a possible game winning field goal by fumbling a snap that my mom would have been able to handle 95% of the time.
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#101 | 2081 days ago

(Edited by bayareabeast21)
 Cowboys suck, they really blew it this year dude, I hate to break it you. People are getting sick of your blind love for the Cowboys Vin. Just admit they're a bunch of underachieving losers. Because its basically the truth.
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#102 | 2081 days ago

vindog wrote:
Funny, when the Cowboys lose- it's ALL Romos fault- but when the Falcons lost- its a team game!  You Sir are becoming ridiculous now!!!!   BTW, Romo has played in ONE MORE "Big Game" than Matt Ryan has- they have only been to the playoffs twice with Romo as the starting QB!    There is NO DIFFERENCE in the way both of these QB's preformed in the playoffs- PERIOD!  The stats are identical........ Maybe someday you wil realize that football is a team game and it takes more than ONE GUY to lose the game!
 The QB is the most important player on the team. Its really hard for the team to win when the QB plays like crap. In other words, its hard for the Cowboys to win an important game time and time again, as they have displayed to us for well over a decade now.
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#103 | 2080 days ago

vindog wrote:
Here are the FACTS Pat.......  Romo- vs- Seattle  189 yards  1 TD 0 INT ( yes he did screw up a field goal)  Romo-vs- NY Giants  201 yards 1TD and 1 INT (on last play of the game)         Matt Ryan -vs- Cardinals  199 yards  2TDs  2INTs (that led directly to 14 points for the Birds)        Please explain the difference here- there is none! That stats are damn near identical...........     You face it Pat... you are in denial    BTW, I dont remember Romo throwing 2 INTs against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL either...
Um...don't really care about Tony Romo...I think he'll be fine and have a moderately to genuinely successful career, but as everyone knows, I'm kinda stickler for facts....the Cardinals went three and out after Ryans second INT that was almost like a short punt.////////////////////////////////OK .........back to the Romo bashing and defending
#104 | 2080 days ago

Hopefully he gets even by making Jessica Choke!!!   LOL!!!
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#105 | 2080 days ago

Did Ryan Leaf die?  I must not have gotten that memo.
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#106 | 2080 days ago

djjfrench wrote:
Did Ryan Leaf die?  I must not have gotten that memo.
 To choke you actually have to be in a position to win something at one point.
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#107 | 2080 days ago
vindog (+)

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 This was Ryan's first playoff game, and he didn't botch a possible game winning field goal by fumbling a snap that my mom would have been able to handle 95% of the time.
And that botched field goal was Romo's first playoff game... Whats your point!  His second playoff game was against the Giants who did to the Cowboys what they did to every team they played in the playoffs. Romo's stats for that game were 201 yards  1TD and 1Int (on the last play of the game)- the Cowboys O-Line and defense failed that game- not Romo!  For that matter, you would have to say that Jeff Garcia, Brett Favre, and Tom Brady ALL choked last season as well because ALL of their stats were VERY SIMILAR to Romo's against the Giants defense!
#108 | 2080 days ago

vindog wrote:
And that botched field goal was Romo's first playoff game... Whats your point!  His second playoff game was against the Giants who did to the Cowboys what they did to every team they played in the playoffs. Romo's stats for that game were 201 yards  1TD and 1Int (on the last play of the game)- the Cowboys O-Line and defense failed that game- not Romo!  For that matter, you would have to say that Jeff Garcia, Brett Favre, and Tom Brady ALL choked last season as well because ALL of their stats were VERY SIMILAR to Romo's against the Giants defense!
The stats weren't as similar as you'd like to make them seem, and the situations were VERY different.

For starters... In 2007/2008, Jeff Garcia and Brett Favre aren't guys you should be comparing with your team's QB if you're looking for success.

Brady, on the other hand, threw a go ahead TD pass with 2:42 left in the game. No matter how you try to twist the situation, he put his team in position to win the game. Period. There is no debating that. Had the defense been able to stop the 16th-ranked offense in the league, they would have won the game.

Romo, on the other hand, was absolutely inept in the entire 2nd half. To finish the game, he threw an INT within striking distance of the end zone. Like I said... twist it however you want to, but Romo's choke job was worse.

If you were a true fan, you would recognize his weaknesses and hope that he would improve on them, or the Cowboys would get someone better, instead of trying to constantly make excuses for him. Excuses don't solve the problem.
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#109 | 2080 days ago

vindog wrote:
And that botched field goal was Romo's first playoff game... Whats your point!  His second playoff game was against the Giants who did to the Cowboys what they did to every team they played in the playoffs. Romo's stats for that game were 201 yards  1TD and 1Int (on the last play of the game)- the Cowboys O-Line and defense failed that game- not Romo!  For that matter, you would have to say that Jeff Garcia, Brett Favre, and Tom Brady ALL choked last season as well because ALL of their stats were VERY SIMILAR to Romo's against the Giants defense!
 My point is heres a depiction of Tony Romo in the Seattle game, and every other important game for that matter.


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#110 | 2080 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
who drops PQ's on comments about PQ's ???? Lol its kinda funny now that i think about it!
I DO....and i will continue to do so.  Why?  Is it because I'm immature? Or maybe it's because I want to read a discussion about Tony Romo being a choke artist, and not one about your man-love for Peyton Manning or your hatred for PQs.  I think its a fantastic system that allows people to practically remove those comments from the board so the rest of us who want to read and contribute to the actual argument can do so.  I never PQ because I disagree with someone, I PQ comments that contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation and that wasted my time.
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#111 | 2080 days ago

Vin you keep bringing up the playoffs and how he's only had two shots, statistically insignificant.  I get it.  Unfortunately, Tony Romo still plays at the end of the season (December) and is quite awful during it.  He now has 15 games in December and January...his record is 5-10.  His record throughout the rest of the games he has started?  22-4.  His career completion percentage is 63.6%  He has exceeded that rate 5 times in Dec/Jan. He's completed 50% or less just as many times.  He's thrown 16 TDs and 22 INTs in Dec/Jan.  Through the rest of his starts he went 65-24.  He has fumbled the ball 18 times in Dec/Jan.  The rest of his starts? 14 times.  No, I don't think the Cowboys' losses can solely be blamed on Romo, nor have I heard many people claiming that.  But what part of these stats does not scream choke artist?  It's not just being bad late in the year.  It's playing phenomenally throughout the rest of it, and THEN playing bad late in the year. 
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#112 | 2079 days ago

There's no Heimlich maneuver that can help him stop from choking.
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#113 | 2077 days ago
mooser58 (+)

Here is what I got from reading this:  When YOUR QB wins, he is responsible.  When another QB wins, it is a TEAM win.  When YOUR QB loses, it is a TEAM loss.  When another QB loses, he is responsible.
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#114 | 2077 days ago

mooser58 wrote:
Here is what I got from reading this:  When YOUR QB wins, he is responsible.  When another QB wins, it is a TEAM win.  When YOUR QB loses, it is a TEAM loss.  When another QB loses, he is responsible.
The QB's job is to put his team in a position to win. If he does that, he has been successful. If he fails to accomplish that goal, or goes so far as to put his team in a position to LOSE, then he has failed.

I personally feel that Ben Roethlisberger isn't any better than the average NFL QB at putting his team in a position to win. When the Steelers are successful, it is (more often than not) a direct result of them using Roethlisberger LESS. The more they rely on him, the less successful they are. That's not exactly a sign of a great QB.
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#115 | 2077 days ago
mooser58 (+)

Pat wrote:
The QB's job is to put his team in a position to win. If he does that, he has been successful. If he fails to accomplish that goal, or goes so far as to put his team in a position to LOSE, then he has failed.

I personally feel that Ben Roethlisberger isn't any better than the average NFL QB at putting his team in a position to win. When the Steelers are successful, it is (more often than not) a direct result of them using Roethlisberger LESS. The more they rely on him, the less successful they are. That's not exactly a sign of a great QB.
The fact that you answered so quickly, and in this form, just reconfirms Pavlov's theory for me.
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#116 | 2077 days ago

mooser58 wrote:
The fact that you answered so quickly, and in this form, just reconfirms Pavlov's theory for me.
Damn you. Now I have to google Pavlov's theory.

But seriously... you weren't surprised, were you?
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#117 | 2077 days ago
mooser58 (+)

Pat wrote:
Damn you. Now I have to google Pavlov's theory.

But seriously... you weren't surprised, were you?
Not suprised in the least......I guess I was more suprised that you and Bookie never went at it in the thread!
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#118 | 2077 days ago

Pat wrote:
The QB's job is to put his team in a position to win. If he does that, he has been successful. If he fails to accomplish that goal, or goes so far as to put his team in a position to LOSE, then he has failed.

I personally feel that Ben Roethlisberger isn't any better than the average NFL QB at putting his team in a position to win. When the Steelers are successful, it is (more often than not) a direct result of them using Roethlisberger LESS. The more they rely on him, the less successful they are. That's not exactly a sign of a great QB.
so as not to hijack the thread, this will be responded to in the Ben HoF thread
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#119 | 2071 days ago

NOT QUITE... I don't like him... but c'mon he is young!
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#120 | 2071 days ago

The only way Tony Romo would be a bigger choke artist than he is now is if he played for the New York Mets.
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#121 | 2069 days ago

He's close, though by all rights he should not have been the placeholder still a couple years ago when he dropped the FG snap.    The braintrust should have put someone else in to hold when he became the starting QB, so I put that one on the Coaches.

There are lots of other QB's who seemed to lose a lot of big games:

- Kenny Stabler lost a lot of playoff games with the Raiders, though he did lead them to a Super Bowl win
- Danny White QB'd some good (maybe not great..) Cowboy teams but couldn't lead them to a Super Bowl
- Dan Marino actually made just 1 Super Bowl............
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#122 | 2069 days ago
McNabbNumbaOne (+)

i hate to say it because i loved him growing up as a kid, but i'd have to say jim kelly is the biggest choke artist in the history of the nfl... you cant go to four superbowls and not win one, come on man!

romo a very close second though
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#123 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i hate to say it because i loved him growing up as a kid, but i'd have to say jim kelly is the biggest choke artist in the history of the nfl... you cant go to four superbowls and not win one, come on man!

romo a very close second though
..ahem....um...your boy doesn't get it done this year...How many NFC Championship games + SB's will it be O-fer for McNabb?
#124 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i hate to say it because i loved him growing up as a kid, but i'd have to say jim kelly is the biggest choke artist in the history of the nfl... you cant go to four superbowls and not win one, come on man!

romo a very close second though
Romo's up-and-coming, Jim Kelly's the reigning champ.  Tony's the Lebron to Kelly's MJ.
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#125 | 2069 days ago
McNabbNumbaOne (+)

MarkTheShark wrote:
..ahem....um...your boy doesn't get it done this year...How many NFC Championship games + SB's will it be O-fer for McNabb?
well he lost 2 NFC championship games... the third he was injured in the first quarter, so that dont count against him. he won his fourth and lost the superbowl

so right now hes 1-3 in big playoff games... but i have a feeling that changes this year

hes not a complete choke artist yet
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#126 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i hate to say it because i loved him growing up as a kid, but i'd have to say jim kelly is the biggest choke artist in the history of the nfl... you cant go to four superbowls and not win one, come on man!

romo a very close second though
Jim Kelly WENT to FOUR SUPER BOWLS. Tony Romo hasn't even went to the winning side of a playoff game.  When you look at all the big games Dallas has lost in recent years, there are critcal f-ups that Tony Romo made.  One of Jim Kelly's Super Bowl losses came off the foot of Scott Norwood. And I didn't hear anybody making up some ridiculous excuse about a "slippery substance" on the ball like they did for Tony Romo when he fumbled the hold against Seattle in the playoffs.
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#127 | 2069 days ago
McNabbNumbaOne (+)

WhoDat12 wrote:
Jim Kelly WENT to FOUR SUPER BOWLS. Tony Romo hasn't even went to the winning side of a playoff game.  When you look at all the big games Dallas has lost in recent years, there are critcal f-ups that Tony Romo made.  One of Jim Kelly's Super Bowl losses came off the foot of Scott Norwood. And I didn't hear anybody making up some ridiculous excuse about a "slippery substance" on the ball like they did for Tony Romo when he fumbled the hold against Seattle in the playoffs.
he still lost 4 superbowls!!!  who else can say they lost 4 superbowls, IN A ROW!?
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#128 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
he still lost 4 superbowls!!!  who else can say they lost 4 superbowls, IN A ROW!?
Who can say they GOT to 4 Super Bowls in a row?

Jim Kelly's playoff record is 9-8.
Dan Marino: 8-10
Peyton Manning: 7-8
Romo: 0-2

Jim Kelly is really the worst out of those?
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#129 | 2069 days ago
McNabbNumbaOne (+)

i didnt say he was the worst... question asked, is romo the biggest choke artist

and ya, romo does choke in big games

but when you get to the biggest game of them all four years in a row and you blow it every time... thats a choke artist, and nobody has ever done that and probably never will again

but for the record, i still love jim kelly
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#130 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i didnt say he was the worst... question asked, is romo the biggest choke artist

and ya, romo does choke in big games

but when you get to the biggest game of them all four years in a row and you blow it every time... thats a choke artist, and nobody has ever done that and probably never will again

but for the record, i still love jim kelly
Do you think the Bills had the better team in all 4 of those Super Bowls? I really don't think Kelly choked... I just think the Bills got beat by teams that were better than them. In some cases, MUCH better.
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#131 | 2069 days ago
McNabbNumbaOne (+)

Pat wrote:
Do you think the Bills had the better team in all 4 of those Super Bowls? I really don't think Kelly choked... I just think the Bills got beat by teams that were better than them. In some cases, MUCH better.
i dont... i think the bills were the superior team in 3 out of 4, if not all of those games

but maybe thats just me
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#132 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i dont... i think the bills were the superior team in 3 out of 4, if not all of those games

but maybe thats just me
that's just you
#133 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i didnt say he was the worst... question asked, is romo the biggest choke artist

and ya, romo does choke in big games

but when you get to the biggest game of them all four years in a row and you blow it every time... thats a choke artist, and nobody has ever done that and probably never will again

but for the record, i still love jim kelly
Ya, totally agree.  Losing 4 Super Bowls defines choke artist.  But I think Pat has a bit of a point that we can't pin this on Jim Kelly.  So maybe we should say the 90-93 Bills are the biggest choke artists ever.  With Tony Romo closing the gap.
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#134 | 2069 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i dont... i think the bills were the superior team in 3 out of 4, if not all of those games

but maybe thats just me
Well... I'm guessing you're referring to the Cowboys, when they beat them 52-17. That team was clearly far superior. But I'm not sure how your numbers are working, because they had a rematch the next year. The teams didn't change that much.

To be honest, I really think those Bills teams were overachievers.
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#135 | 2067 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
he still lost 4 superbowls!!!  who else can say they lost 4 superbowls, IN A ROW!?
who else can say they went???
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#136 | 2067 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
who else can say they went???
who doesnt do anything on a site all year until their team makes playoffs.....i mean really
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#137 | 2067 days ago
McNabbNumbaOne (+)

RobPeyton wrote:
who doesnt do anything on a site all year until their team makes playoffs.....i mean really
because of people like you
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#138 | 2066 days ago

WOW! im sooo tired of hearing all this about Romo Choking and him not being able to finish, last time i checked 2 other great QB's at their beging of their career that cudnt get it done neither  payton manning and brett favre... romo is still a young qb give him time and he will get that super bowl win.. and its not only him that sux in december Pat its the whole  team, look at all their stats not just romo's
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#139 | 2066 days ago
vindog (+)

I think the award should go to Donovan McNabb!!!!  1-4 record in NFC Championship games and 0-1 in the Superbowl. Shoot, Romo has only played in 2 playoff games- period!
#140 | 2066 days ago

vindog wrote:
I think the award should go to Donovan McNabb!!!!  1-4 record in NFC Championship games and 0-1 in the Superbowl. Shoot, Romo has only played in 2 playoff games- period!
McNabb: 9-5
Romo: 0-2

I'm just saying.
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#141 | 2066 days ago
vindog (+)

Pat wrote:
McNabb: 9-5
Romo: 0-2

I'm just saying.
And exactly how many more years and games has McNabb started than Romo??? Come on man, at least find a QB with a comparable amount of games under his belt as Romo has under his. McNabb has 12 more playoff games under his belt than Romo does and there is no reason to think that Romo couldn't be 9-5 after playing 12 more playoff games either! You have a tendency of always comparing apples to oranges when it comes to Romo and the Cowboys or Big Ben and the Steelers.
#142 | 2066 days ago

vindog wrote:
And exactly how many more years and games has McNabb started than Romo??? Come on man, at least find a QB with a comparable amount of games under his belt as Romo has under his. McNabb has 12 more playoff games under his belt than Romo does and there is no reason to think that Romo couldn't be 9-5 after playing 12 more playoff games either! You have a tendency of always comparing apples to oranges when it comes to Romo and the Cowboys or Big Ben and the Steelers.
I just think it's funny that you label McNabb a bigger choker because he has had more success.
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#143 | 2066 days ago
vindog (+)

Pat wrote:
I just think it's funny that you label McNabb a bigger choker because he has had more success.
And I think it's its funny that if the Cowboys win- its a TEAM game, but if they lose- it's always that Romo choked! Of course, you say the same things about the Steelers and Big Ben and the Colts with Manning. But, lord knows that precious little Tom Brady could have never choked in a big game- it must have been the team. You are so hypocritical that you are actually amusing!  Romo is 0-2 in playoff games! Let me say that again, Romo is 0-2 in playoffs games! That's it! He has ONLY played in TWO playoff games- period! How many other QB's in NFL history do you think started their careers the same way or MUCH WORSE!???? Romo's record as a starter is 25-14 ( 0-2 in the playoffs), how many other QB's in NFL history have even started their careers that well??? Hint: NOT TOO MANY!
#144 | 2066 days ago

vindog wrote:
And I think it's its funny that if the Cowboys win- its a TEAM game, but if they lose- it's always that Romo choked! Of course, you say the same things about the Steelers and Big Ben and the Colts with Manning. But, lord knows that precious little Tom Brady could have never choked in a big game- it must have been the team. You are so hypocritical that you are actually amusing!  Romo is 0-2 in playoff games! Let me say that again, Romo is 0-2 in playoffs games! That's it! He has ONLY played in TWO playoff games- period! How many other QB's in NFL history do you think started their careers the same way or MUCH WORSE!???? Romo's record as a starter is 25-14 ( 0-2 in the playoffs), how many other QB's in NFL history have even started their careers that well??? Hint: NOT TOO MANY!
You're still missing the point that he is choking not just in the postseason but at the end of the season as well.  5-10 in December and January.  That's quite a few games under his belt.  Yes, he has time to remove this label but until he does so...he's a choker.  Good point on McNabb though.  I think the most telling stat for being a 'choker' is how well you play elsewhere.  You can play poorly in big games because you play poorly in general, or in the case of McNabb and Romo, just lose in the big, crucial ones.
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#145 | 2066 days ago

vindog wrote:
And I think it's its funny that if the Cowboys win- its a TEAM game, but if they lose- it's always that Romo choked! Of course, you say the same things about the Steelers and Big Ben and the Colts with Manning. But, lord knows that precious little Tom Brady could have never choked in a big game- it must have been the team. You are so hypocritical that you are actually amusing!  Romo is 0-2 in playoff games! Let me say that again, Romo is 0-2 in playoffs games! That's it! He has ONLY played in TWO playoff games- period! How many other QB's in NFL history do you think started their careers the same way or MUCH WORSE!???? Romo's record as a starter is 25-14 ( 0-2 in the playoffs), how many other QB's in NFL history have even started their careers that well??? Hint: NOT TOO MANY!



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#146 | 2066 days ago

Flip62 wrote:
You can put anyone from the Arizona Cardinals infront of Romo!
They are the definition of "CHOKE"
Look at em now; now who's looking dumb.
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#147 | 2065 days ago
McNabbNumbaOne (+)

vindog wrote:
I think the award should go to Donovan McNabb!!!!  1-4 record in NFC Championship games and 0-1 in the Superbowl. Shoot, Romo has only played in 2 playoff games- period!
technically he's 1-3 because he went out in the first quarter against the panthers so he didnt play that game but atleast he gets there...
lets break the games down

against the rams, he was obviously outmatched against the greatest show on turf and he still put up a damn good effort
yes, i think he did choke against the bucs
didnt play against the panthers
beat the falcons

and as far as the cardinals go, there was alot of key drops that could have changed the outcome of that game... he put up a helluva effort, the defense folded so i dont see how you could call that choking
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#148 | 2064 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
technically he's 1-3 because he went out in the first quarter against the panthers so he didnt play that game but atleast he gets there...
lets break the games down

against the rams, he was obviously outmatched against the greatest show on turf and he still put up a damn good effort
yes, i think he did choke against the bucs
didnt play against the panthers
beat the falcons

and as far as the cardinals go, there was alot of key drops that could have changed the outcome of that game... he put up a helluva effort, the defense folded so i dont see how you could call that choking
He also threw balls that were not where they needed to be vs the Cards. I like McNabb, he was just overmatched against what could be five HOF's (could be! don't jump on me) vs the Buccaneers defense in '02. This was his best chance, the Cards defense was primed to give up yards and they did....that Jim Johnson led defense deserves the choker label as much or more than McNabb who led the Eagles back from 18 down.
#149 | 2064 days ago
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MarkTheShark wrote:
He also threw balls that were not where they needed to be vs the Cards. I like McNabb, he was just overmatched against what could be five HOF's (could be! don't jump on me) vs the Buccaneers defense in '02. This was his best chance, the Cards defense was primed to give up yards and they did....that Jim Johnson led defense deserves the choker label as much or more than McNabb who led the Eagles back from 18 down.
i agree that he threw some bad passes, one in particular to baskett that would have been a touchdown had he thrown it right
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#150 | 2062 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
because of people like you
and humor me how is that?
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#151 | 2062 days ago

McNabbNumbaOne wrote:
i agree that he threw some bad passes, one in particular to baskett that would have been a touchdown had he thrown it right
Eagles should have beat the Cards, was kinda looking forward to eagles vs the berg, in home all of that, but o well.......god i hate crappy SB's......Lets go Steelers,
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#152 | 2062 days ago


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#153 | 2062 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
Eagles should have beat the Cards, was kinda looking forward to eagles vs the berg, in home all of that, but o well.......god i hate crappy SB's......Lets go Steelers,
I really don't see how this is going to be a crappy Super Bowl.  High-powered offense vs. high-powered defense.  On the flipside of the ball there's two units that didn't play terribly well in the regular season but have stepped it up in the postseason (Steelers O and Cardinals D).  I think this is quite the quality Super Bowl.
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#154 | 2062 days ago

 I think Donovan McNabb should be in this discussion. More than Romo.
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#155 | 2062 days ago

Pat wrote:



you honestly want 2 compair Romo to Brady, i mean danm im a cowboys fan and a romo fan but if i had 2 choose between a qb 2 have i wud def pick Brady.. plus idk y ur trying to compair them if they both have 2 completely differrent teams, like i said b4 its not just the qb that plays its every player/ position that wins and loses a game
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#156 | 2062 days ago

Cowboys319 wrote:
you honestly want 2 compair Romo to Brady, i mean danm im a cowboys fan and a romo fan but if i had 2 choose between a qb 2 have i wud def pick Brady.. plus idk y ur trying to compair them if they both have 2 completely differrent teams, like i said b4 its not just the qb that plays its every player/ position that wins and loses a game
No, I don't want to compare them. It's pointless. Tony Romo is a decent/ok QB, and Brady is one of the best ever. There's no comparison.

I just wanted to talk a little smack to vindog.
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#157 | 2062 days ago
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Pat wrote:
No, I don't want to compare them. It's pointless. Tony Romo is a decent/ok QB, and Brady is one of the best ever. There's no comparison.

I just wanted to talk a little smack to vindog.
I never said Romo was better than Brady-- whats your point? I merely said that not many QB's in their second full year as a starter have as good of a winning record as Romo does and that he has only 2 playoff games on his resume.... Hundreds (if not thousands) of other NFL QB's that have come before him would love to have his winning record.  Sure you can dig up "other NFL QB's" that have done much better than Romo in their first two years- but saying that Romo is the biggest "choker" in NFL history is just completely ignorant and untrue!
#158 | 2061 days ago

how did my pic get deleted???

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#159 | 2058 days ago

Tony Romo, for those who have forgotten, went undrafted and it took several flamouts from much more highly touted QBs from baseball refugees: Quincy Carter, Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson, had any of them worked out Romo is likely a career back up.  Brad Johnson was the only other recent option, [mostly a career back up, but a former Super Bowl winner], a good comparison to his meteoric rise is the story of Kurt Warner, the crucial differences: the coaching, Jason Garrett, a supposed 'genius' does not seem to doing as solid a job as fellow 'genius' Mike Martz did in developing his unexpected starter.  Other differences- maturity, Warner had bounced around for a while and truly realized how precious his chance was and leadership from the top, Dick Vermeil, softy that he was, was also incredibly respected by his players, his staff and even opponents all around the league.  Could the same be said for Wade Phillips?  
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#160 | 2055 days ago

elevenbravo138again wrote:
Tony Romo, for those who have forgotten, went undrafted and it took several flamouts from much more highly touted QBs from baseball refugees: Quincy Carter, Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson, had any of them worked out Romo is likely a career back up.  Brad Johnson was the only other recent option, [mostly a career back up, but a former Super Bowl winner], a good comparison to his meteoric rise is the story of Kurt Warner, the crucial differences: the coaching, Jason Garrett, a supposed 'genius' does not seem to doing as solid a job as fellow 'genius' Mike Martz did in developing his unexpected starter.  Other differences- maturity, Warner had bounced around for a while and truly realized how precious his chance was and leadership from the top, Dick Vermeil, softy that he was, was also incredibly respected by his players, his staff and even opponents all around the league.  Could the same be said for Wade Phillips?  
so your saying harder coaching = a better player in Romo, and that due to certain circumstances he became QB and we shouldnt look bad on him because he has excelled further than most expected.........


if so..... i completely agree
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#161 | 2053 days ago

RobPeyton wrote:
so your saying harder coaching = a better player in Romo, and that due to certain circumstances he became QB and we shouldnt look bad on him because he has excelled further than most expected.........


if so..... i completely agree
I am saying that it is now it is likely that unless better head coaching and position coaching /OC comes into Romo's development he will begin/continue to regress and as with Tom Brady ,no team thinks of late round or UDFA QBs as a way to find franchise QBs.  Late-round QBs like Brady are supposed to provide depth, UDFAs are there to give the other QBs a break in drills to prevent them from overthrowing and hurting their arms.  That guys like Delhomme, Romo and Warner become starters is frankly not supposed to happen and it is a success in terms of acquisition, but a failure in evaluation, as Pioli himself  has said, "If we were really smart we would have taken Brady in the 1st round."
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#162 | 2050 days ago

lol an expanded version of what i was saying....i completely agree.....just be prepared for someone to make the "is kurt warner a choker" poll next because no one understands someone excelling at something they are not supposed to be that good at anyway. Warner was a bagger but someone will push the issue.....romo, brady, warner all backups and by the NFL standards SHOULDNT have been that good. They proved people wrong at that wasnt good enough because fans have a standard that to play football at all, you have to be the greatest person ever, and once latched on no one will ever be better facts or not. The thing is as much as i dislike dallas its not because of the team its the fans, some are wonderfull most are not. but regardless were i not so intrigued by Peyton Manning, i would love tony Romo, throughout everything, the team mate crap, fans riding him, his public relationship he hasnt lost his down to earthness or his head.... hes always been level headed more level headed than 99 percent of fans ive met of any sport..he could be a good QB, he could not but its not in his hands its in the hands of the people he relies on to make him great, if they choke he chokes and there is no definite way to prove either way...that he himelf did it
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