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Baseball HOF - Pete Rose and The Steroid Generation
With the recent talk of letting the Steroid Generation into the HOF I thought it brought up some interesting questions...
| Closed on 11/13/09 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | MLB | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Players:  Pete Rose
Tagged as:   Pete Rose HOF
Team Breakout:
73 Fans 
 1. Steroid uses cheats... (0 points)
4%a. The Fans
14%b. The Game
11%c. Other Players
68%d. All Of The Above
3%e. It's Not Cheating
 2. Which is a greater cheat? (0 points)
26%a. Betting On Games (your own or other games)
74%b. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results
 3. Should Players Who Test Positive For Steroids Be Eligible for The HOF? (0 points)
36%a. Yes
64%b. No
 4. Should Pete Rose Be Eligible For The HOF? (0 points)
71%a. Yes
29%b. No

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#1 | 193 days ago
Wordsmith (+)

NO Steroid era player should EVER make the Hall of Fame until Pete Rose does. He has admitted that he bet on baseball, and has been suspended from active involvement. But he hardly deserved to have his playing days accomplishments held out of the Hall of Fame.

None of the steroid players should get in until they come clean with their use and with complete details.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#1 | 193 days ago
Wordsmith (+)

NO Steroid era player should EVER make the Hall of Fame until Pete Rose does. He has admitted that he bet on baseball, and has been suspended from active involvement. But he hardly deserved to have his playing days accomplishments held out of the Hall of Fame.

None of the steroid players should get in until they come clean with their use and with complete details.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#2 | 193 days ago

 Let me say this about the qestions above...
Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson,and Buck Weaver...along with all other players currently eligible, should be allowed the honor of being eligible. Why is it just Rose, and the supposed steroid guys.?
Baseball's history, as life in general, has many dark sides. Many games in both leagues were wagewred on openly in public into the 1930's, using ex-players who had inside info, or by coaches, managers, and even owners.
Steroids are a terrible thing, and are now illegal. Gambling is at terrible thing, and is illegal.
I ask this...can anyone go back thru the modern era of baseball...1901 to the present...and find any way to say that a certain player, of manager played by the rules each and every day. I say good luck.
1. All Of The Above  2. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  3. Yes  4. Yes  
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#3 | 193 days ago

 As far as we know, there is no evidence that Pete Rose bet on baseball while he was a player. He should be in the Hall of Fame as a player (most hits EVER). I have no objection to banning him from any further involvement with MLB, but his accomplishments as a player should be recognized.

As for question #2, I think both are equally reprehensible, and the question is therefore irrelevant.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#4 | 193 days ago
cubsgirl (Glenda) profile photo

 A poll that took me twenty minutes to answer. My reasoning came to this, is betting on games illegal? Yes. Is taking steroids illegal? Yes. Maybe and just maybe, the day needs to be here that athletes don't get rewarded for doing illegal things in thier job. And it is a job. If You or I did things in our jobs illegally we wouldn't be rewarded. We would lose our jobs. This generation of ball fans don't have many heroes like we did. Lets not give them heroes who brake the rules and then get rewarded.
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#5 | 193 days ago

 I look at it this way both crimes tarnish the game and disrespect the NATURAL  and ethical players of the Game. If you look at other sports hall of fame members  ie.. NFL they have wife beaters, drug addicts,alcoholics,Johns and others in their hall . Where do you draw the line. I think Pete Rose should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame....
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#6 | 193 days ago

 All of Rose's on-field achievements were legit, something that cannot be said about the known juicers out there. They have tarnished the integrity of the game ten times over what Rose ever did. Let Rose into the HOF and keep the juicers out.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#7 | 193 days ago

 id vote for Pete before all the others

1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. No  
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#8 | 192 days ago
computer_guy999 (+)

Steroids have tarnished "America's Pastime", to the point, where we, as fans, are getting fed up!!  These "juicers" never should be allowed in the Hall of Fame, as their feats were accomplished illegally, with a banned substance - steroids.   I will always view Hank Aaron as the greatest home run hitter of all time, although Barry Bonds has the most "dingers".  Yes, Pete Rose was a great ball player - betting on baseball, should not be rewarded with a Hall of Fame nomination.  I don't think we will ever see the "steroids" users gain nomination in to the Hall, in our lifetime.  Why should cheaters "prosper".
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. No  
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#9 | 192 days ago
rileyjames47 (+)

Steroid users should never be in The Hall Of Fame. The enhancements from steroids directly effect their statistics, which are the bases for records and whether one has accumulated the numbers to be in the Hall Of Fame. It's simple for me.
 As far as Pete Rose I will say Gambling is still a very illegal act and one that dishonors the Hall. I don't like Pete Rose anyway, but I would still possibly consider him for his incredible accomplishments, but as far as I am concerned talk shouldn't be about Pete Rose, but rather about Shoeless Joe Jackson, who I don't believe threw any games as his statistics bear out. The baseball Hall Of Fame needs to let Joe Jackson in the Hall before talk about Pete Rose should even be considered.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. No  
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#10 | 192 days ago

 This Poll is used to comment on bad players
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. No  

#11 | 192 days ago

 This kind of players should not be allowed in the games.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. No  

#12 | 192 days ago

 Pete Rose is the man.I Think He needs to Be inducted to the HOF. It takes a real man to take ownership of his actions whether good or bad. Pete has probably suffered more than he should. Give this Man his Damn props. This still doesn't take away from his talent.
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#13 | 192 days ago

 Rose, as a player, was the real deal. Only the commisioner's office hatred for him and the idiotic baseball writers have kept him out this long.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. Yes  4. Yes  
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#14 | 192 days ago

  when asked which was worse - betting vs. steroids, I was going to initially pick steroids until I ready the whole part: "betting on your own or others". It is one thing to bet on other games but to bet on your own is way worse I think b/c you have the power to affect the outcome. Taking steroids doesn't guarantee anything - maybe you hit better or run faster but who knows. Dropping a ball or making a fielding error b/c you are betting on your team to lose is a big deal. 

That being said - FREE PETE!! I think he has paid his dues - he should be allowed in. If "we" are going to give someone like Bonds or Giambi another chance - then Pete should be afforded the same opportunity. 
1. The Game  2. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  3. Yes  4. Yes  
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#15 | 192 days ago

  If Shoeless Joe isnt in the hall ... none of these guys deserve it either.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. No  

#16 | 192 days ago

 Wordsmith wrote:
NO Steroid era player should EVER make the Hall of Fame until Pete Rose does. He has admitted that he bet on baseball, and has been suspended from active involvement. But he hardly deserved to have his playing days accomplishments held out of the Hall of Fame.

None of the steroid players should get in until they come clean with their use and with complete details.
 I agree on the steriods but Rose bet on games that he was involved in what is it with you guys and the love of Rose.
1. All Of The Above  2. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  3. No  4. No  
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#17 | 192 days ago

 drunko wrote:
As far as we know, there is no evidence that Pete Rose bet on baseball while he was a player. He should be in the Hall of Fame as a player (most hits EVER). I have no objection to banning him from any further involvement with MLB, but his accomplishments as a player should be recognized.

As for question #2, I think both are equally reprehensible, and the question is therefore irrelevant.
 There was evidence if there wasnt why was he suspended. And why did he agree to it.
1. All Of The Above  2. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  3. No  4. No  

#18 | 192 days ago
SuperStar123 (+)

 Rose & Shoeless Joe Jackson In... Steroid users out!!!   
1. The Game  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#19 | 192 days ago

 Depends on how you look at it. With #2, betting is worse because that could mean throwing games.Steroids, well, look at all the players in question, aside from Manny, how many others have won Championships #3, I don't think they should be eligible because those personal numbers they put up is what gets them to the Hall. #4. It depends on when the betting took place. In Pete Rose's case, the betting was after his playing days (as far as we know), therefore he should be in the Hall.
1. All Of The Above  2. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  3. No  4. Yes  
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#20 | 160 days ago

 The negative about betting on baseball is when someone bets AGAINST
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  

#21 | 160 days ago

The negative about betting on baseball is if a person bets AGAINST their own team and then skews the outcome.
All of the evidence against Rose showed that he bets on the Reds to win.

1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#22 | 76 days ago

  I hope one day the commissioner will realize that steroids is the worst way to cheat in any sport, but mostly baseball. Pete Rose did not cheat at all he bet on the game, which didn't hinder is performance in the slightest way.

And to keep one of the top five best hitters in baseball out of the hall of fame over something as juvenile as betting should be a sin.
1. All Of The Above  2. Using Steroids To Obtain Unnatural Results  3. No  4. Yes  
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#23 | 11 days ago

 dbaker wrote:
 I hope one day the commissioner will realize that steroids is the worst way to cheat in any sport, but mostly baseball. Pete Rose did not cheat at all he bet on the game, which didn't hinder is performance in the slightest way.

And to keep one of the top five best hitters in baseball out of the hall of fame over something as juvenile as betting should be a sin.

I think your wrong with the idea of a bet can not hinder performance  Well I think thats wrong he was the manager and he can tell really what a player can do and were to be in the field he can really place someone in a bad spot knowing the ball won't make it were the ball was hit because he bet on the game. Or he can tell an athlete to be over aggressive and the player gets hurt bad that can also hinder performance when he doesn't need to be aggressive knowing that what would be needing to win the over under.. Everyone was taking Steroids all a steroid user was just trying to compete with the next steroid user who for the most part super star people say it was unfair and Balance to me it was with so many people on the Junk.

1. The Fans  2. The Fans  3. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  4. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  

#24 | 10 days ago

 Wordsmith wrote:
NO Steroid era player should EVER make the Hall of Fame until Pete Rose does. He has admitted that he bet on baseball, and has been suspended from active involvement. But he hardly deserved to have his playing days accomplishments held out of the Hall of Fame.

None of the steroid players should get in until they come clean with their use and with complete details.
Dude...  All of Pete Rose's accomplishments are documented in the Hall.  They have the all time hit list and his name is right there on top.  None of his feats are removed from baseball history.  He is just ineligible to be enshrined.

I do not understand why you feel players who did not break any rules should not be eligible for the Hall.  Pete actively broke VERY public rules.  No steroid user ever did.  At least those who used before 2005.  (Is that the year the penalties were implemented?)
1. It's Not Cheating  2. Betting On Games (your own or other games)  3. Yes  4. No  


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