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Baseball's 104 names (Edited 07/30/09 08:24PM by tpowell25)
with the news of sammy sosa testing positive for steroids, should the rest of the names be released so baseball can get on with today's game?
Featured by: Raider_Dave at 6/17/09 11:39AM
| Closed on 09/16/09 at 10:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | MLB | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
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86%a. Release the rest of the 104 names
14%b. Keep releaseing them a few at a time.

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#15 | 1918 days ago

Let's get it over with so we can remind ourselves who the true "greats" of all-time are... Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle... etc. 
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#1 | 1919 days ago

Conjecture, rumors, gossip, inuendo, etc., until the list is released.
The other 600+ players who are clean deserve that.

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#2 | 1919 days ago

what does dragging it out prove, the names will not fall off the papers.
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#4 | 1918 days ago
Cop4Cubs (+)

I think that the longer they wait the more this thing is going to keep resurfacing get it done and over with, " Release the other Names".  so we can finally put this thing to bed..
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#5 | 1918 days ago

No. Not only it is wrong to ensure confidentiality then release it into the public, it's outrageous.

#6 | 1918 days ago
Irish22 (+)

(Edited by Irish22)
release the names and get it over with
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#8 | 1918 days ago

I'm just sick of hearing about they shouldn't release the rest of the names because it was a private test taking voluntarily, If the players who tested positive are so worried about it maybe they should step up and take some responsibility for there actions.
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#9 | 1918 days ago

If I were a ball player, I'd want them all released. If I were dirty, so I wouldn't have to live with the fear that any day it could be MY name being leaked to the press. (Of course, I could be preemptive and hold a presser admitting my guilt, but that is too much to ask). If I were clean, I'd want the list released so that I can gain a little bit of credibility, remove the thought that "Yeah, he hasn't been proven to be a cheater, but maybe his name just hasn't been leaked yet!".

As a fan, I just want the names out and over with.

I've got to wonder what the hell the MLBPA was thinking!!! "Sure, we'll take these doping tests, but the names will be confidential, right? Awesome! Give us those little pee jars!". Good God, if info is going to end up on paper, you can bet your life that the info will be leaked. That is why conspiracy theories are ridiculous, IMO. It is next to impossible to keep a secret between two people...you expect me to believe that dozens of people in a conspiracy are shutting their mouths? Impossible.
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#10 | 1918 days ago

Of course all the names should just go ahead and be released. This would be another good way for MLB to show by its actions that it is serious about cleaning up the game. Name and shame all the cheaters, even if they are still active, so they may be treated as no longer legit as they deserve.
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#11 | 1918 days ago
captcane (+)

gobigblue1960 wrote:

Conjecture, rumors, gossip, inuendo, etc., until the list is released.
The other 600+ players who are clean deserve that.

just release all of the other 102 names let the chips fall where they may!!!
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#12 | 1918 days ago

they will all come out sooner or later they should just get it out there.  all this does is start rumor and the players all get mad.  all the player knew they were doing drugs this is the league trying to protect the players this just gives every one involved a bad name
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#13 | 1918 days ago

Enough's enough.  Release the names and let the public sort it out afterwards.
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#14 | 1918 days ago

If MLB wants to retain what's left of its' credibility, it would release the names.  Of course, the Players Union would vehemently object and interim-commissioner-for-life Bud Selig would cave to their demands in a heartbeat, citing what he views as "the good of the game."  It's Bud's problem, but why should he have to deal with it as long as he and all his owner pals continue to get filthy rich...
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#15 | 1918 days ago

Let's get it over with so we can remind ourselves who the true "greats" of all-time are... Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle... etc. 
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#16 | 1918 days ago
drunko (+)

 I want the names released too, but it's not that simple. There is a huge confidentiality issue, and right now (as I understand it - I am not a lawyer), no one has any legal authority to make the decision to release the testing records that were siezed by the feds. This will likely drag on for a while longer.
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#17 | 1918 days ago

I am a little confused on this "private,voluntary,confidential" issue. If i am a player doing performance enhancing drugs,why would you take a test to see if  i tested positive,but if i was stupid enough to take a private test to confirm what i already know ,then why wouldn't i go to my PRIVATE doctor,so the results couldnt be released.As Arsenio used to say "things that make you go hmmmm"
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#18 | 1918 days ago

Enough is Enough...
Can we please stop living in the Baseball past, and move on to the Baseball Future?!
Yeah, I know a lot of players did steroids.
Lets start talking about players like David Wright, and Derek Jeter, and many others who play the game right with no help from PED's!!
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#20 | 1918 days ago

Should MLB decide to release all 104 names, they had better be prepared to settle 104 lawsuits in which player's privacy rights were violated.  As long as a doctor gave the players the "pee cups", then it would be a violation of HIPPPA privacy rights, and the league will end up paying people for many many years. Plus, add a defamation of character claim to those 104 suits, and each player could end up with multiple millions. Just leave the list be and if you really dont like sports doping, then go watch tennis!!!

#21 | 1918 days ago
jacobmrley (+)

(Edited by jacobmrley)
NorseHeathen wrote:
Release their names.....then erase their statistics for cheating...
It doesn't work this way - otherwise you have to 'erase' the records Whitey Ford set while scuffing the baseball, 'erase' the records Norm Cash set while using a corked bat, or 'erase' the records Gaylord Perry set while using more vaseline than a Turkish bath house.  History takes care of these kinds of things - it knows what conditions and circumstances statistics happen.  Just like hitting .300 in 1930 and hitting .300 in 1968 are two completely different things.

That said, they need to get those names out and get all this crap over with, pronto.

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#22 | 1918 days ago
jacobmrley (+)

p.s. And how would the media react if Brett Favre took steroids?  It would be 9/11 all over again with the news coverage!
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#23 | 1917 days ago
NorseHeathen (+)

jacobmrley wrote:
It doesn't work this way - otherwise you have to 'erase' the records Whitey Ford set while scuffing the baseball, 'erase' the records Norm Cash set while using a corked bat, or 'erase' the records Gaylord Perry set while using more vaseline than a Turkish bath house.  History takes care of these kinds of things - it knows what conditions and circumstances statistics happen.  Just like hitting .300 in 1930 and hitting .300 in 1968 are two completely different things.

That said, they need to get those names out and get all this crap over with, pronto.

Oh, I'm very aware that individual stats can not be erased as there is currently no rule in place to substantiate such an action; in legal terms, such would be "ex post facto" and is illegal.  I would, however, be all in favor of enacting such a rule though.  I posted a similar sentiment in another forum pertaining to the Williams' of the Vikings football team.  I think I surprised my fellow fans when I affirmed that I think such a rule should apply to them as well.

Personally, I think the game should remain "bigger" than any player, coach, owner, et.al.  Towards that end, rules should be in effect to maintain the integrity of each sport.
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#24 | 1914 days ago

ipunki wrote:

Should MLB decide to release all 104 names, they had better be prepared to settle 104 lawsuits in which player's privacy rights were violated.  As long as a doctor gave the players the "pee cups", then it would be a violation of HIPPPA privacy rights, and the league will end up paying people for many many years. Plus, add a defamation of character claim to those 104 suits, and each player could end up with multiple millions. Just leave the list be and if you really dont like sports doping, then go watch tennis!!!

If privacy is such a great issue don't you think Sosa and A-Rod have a lawsuit but yet no one has mentioned it. I just want this thing behind us but no it will have to drag out one player at a time... when are they going to stop all of this garbage and just play ball?
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#25 | 1904 days ago

(Edited by rahibgreat)
Yes,
 We Should B aware of the fact who all the real Traitors so that this Drug problem should b Eradicated
Making the sport as  clean as possible.!!
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#26 | 1904 days ago

All of the cheaters should be identified and they should be given some kind of punishment.  It should also make them in eligible for the all star game voting, no credit for records, and no induction into the hall of  fame.  Sports need to clean up its act.
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#27 | 1904 days ago

I don't get how Berry Bonds is still famous for having the most home runs. What the heck. Everyone knows that he use steriods. He should be erased from the all time home run leaderboard, his stats should be erased, actually, all steriod players stats should be erased, and they should all be erased. It will make Baseball a better place for all of us. Steriod use could be taking a big impact of many younger athletes trying to become better. The cut of steriod use would help us all.
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#28 | 1904 days ago

The fans pay for the game and have a right to know who cheated.
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#29 | 1904 days ago

I think that the MLB should give a season suspension to them for first time use. Then if they get caught again, they are kicked out of the MLB.
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#30 | 1904 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

Wildacats27 wrote:
I think that the MLB should give a season suspension to them for first time use. Then if they get caught again, they are kicked out of the MLB.
I agree with you, but the union will never agree to penalties that harsh.
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#31 | 1904 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

Between these two choices, I have to go with release the whole list-- that would ultimately be better than the gradual leaking-- but the real answer is not release names at all. There was a collective agreement between MLB and the players' union that the names of those testing positive in 2003 would be kept confidential. It was a legally binding confidentiality agreement.  You have to honor that. I'm not saying that I want to protect cheaters, because I don't. But you don't break a legal contract just for the sake of sensationalism. I admit, I'm intrigued by the question of who leaked the names of A-Rod and Sosa-- apparently this is a "completely reliable source"-- and what the motive is for doing so.
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#33 | 1904 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
Between these two choices, I have to go with release the whole list-- that would ultimately be better than the gradual leaking-- but the real answer is not release names at all. There was a collective agreement between MLB and the players' union that the names of those testing positive in 2003 would be kept confidential. It was a legally binding confidentiality agreement.  You have to honor that. I'm not saying that I want to protect cheaters, because I don't. But you don't break a legal contract just for the sake of sensationalism. I admit, I'm intrigued by the question of who leaked the names of A-Rod and Sosa-- apparently this is a "completely reliable source"-- and what the motive is for doing so.
I agree. While I want to know, and I think we probably ought to know, at the same time, it was a legal contract, and I do not support the law being violated just to satisfy our curiosity.

Honestly, I just want Bud Selig removed as commissioner. Baseball is to blame more than the players.
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#34 | 1904 days ago

Fire ALL the ones on the list !!  If we cheated people and/or tricked the public, we would be in jail !!  Its time to let these spoiled brats to face the same music WE face !!( IE Bernie Madoff ? )  Play FAIR or GO HOME !!   Remember the GOLDEN RULE !   hehe...
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#35 | 1904 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
Between these two choices, I have to go with release the whole list-- that would ultimately be better than the gradual leaking-- but the real answer is not release names at all. There was a collective agreement between MLB and the players' union that the names of those testing positive in 2003 would be kept confidential. It was a legally binding confidentiality agreement.  You have to honor that. I'm not saying that I want to protect cheaters, because I don't. But you don't break a legal contract just for the sake of sensationalism. I admit, I'm intrigued by the question of who leaked the names of A-Rod and Sosa-- apparently this is a "completely reliable source"-- and what the motive is for doing so.
My main question in all of this is simply, what was the point of doing the testing to begin with? Obviously, they knew who the dopers were, and yet, they continued to allow them to play. So why test players if nothing is to be done about it? Kind of pointless don't ya think?
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#36 | 1904 days ago

 just do it mlb you will get more media attention if you just release them all at once than one at a time i rest my case
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#37 | 1904 days ago
Carolyn4JESUS (+)

if pete rose can't get anywhere with gambling, let these fakers be made known, too!
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#38 | 1904 days ago

if they put out the new names y dont they put out the list
#39 | 1904 days ago

I didn't answer because I don't see a choice I like up there. Baseball has the names, baseball told the players they wouldn't release them, so baseball shouldn't release them because that is unethical.

But the press that obviously has a hold of these names? Definitely they should leak those names.
#40 | 1904 days ago

RaiderSteve wrote:
Fire ALL the ones on the list !!  If we cheated people and/or tricked the public, we would be in jail !!  Its time to let these spoiled brats to face the same music WE face !!( IE Bernie Madoff ? )  Play FAIR or GO HOME !!   Remember the GOLDEN RULE !   hehe...
Uh....the one with the gold makes the rules???
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#41 | 1904 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

renderdaemon wrote:
My main question in all of this is simply, what was the point of doing the testing to begin with? Obviously, they knew who the dopers were, and yet, they continued to allow them to play. So why test players if nothing is to be done about it? Kind of pointless don't ya think?
2003 was the first year of testing and it was essentially an experiment to see what percentage would test positive. If the positive percentage surpassed a certain threshold (I think it was 5% of all players tested) then mandatory testing with penalties would kick in the following year, which is exactly what happened. So basically MLB had to agree to make the initial round of tests confidential and non-penalized to get a tougher policy in place in the future; the union was hoping that the number of positives would be smaller and thus testing wouldn't need to continue, and those few who were positive would never have to be known. But it obviously didn't work out that way.
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#42 | 1904 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
2003 was the first year of testing and it was essentially an experiment to see what percentage would test positive. If the positive percentage surpassed a certain threshold (I think it was 5% of all players tested) then mandatory testing with penalties would kick in the following year, which is exactly what happened. So basically MLB had to agree to make the initial round of tests confidential and non-penalized to get a tougher policy in place in the future; the union was hoping that the number of positives would be smaller and thus testing wouldn't need to continue, and those few who were positive would never have to be known. But it obviously didn't work out that way.
Thanks for the explanation! I guess I assumed that testing had been in place for a while....not as recently as 2003!!
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#43 | 1904 days ago

 just get it over with they did drugs. so suspend them for 50 games
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#44 | 1904 days ago

 just get it over with they did drugs. so suspend them for 50 games
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#45 | 1904 days ago
PackRat (+)

If their drug testing the bat boy... they better drug test the batter...
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#46 | 1904 days ago

Make the Players sit and watch a full Baseball game !!!  BORING !!
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#47 | 1904 days ago
SuperStar123 (+)

 I agree with two of my favorite people, Heyhey1970 & Cops4Cubs, get the names out there already, and get it over!
#48 | 1904 days ago
SuperStar123 (+)

 I agree with two of my favorite people, Heyhey1970 & Cops4Cubs, get the names out there already, and get it over!
#49 | 1904 days ago

Get it over with, release every name and every positive result. But in even bigger print release the names of the ones that tested negative. Those are the ones that deserve the recognition. And fire the ones who did'nt there are plenty of men who are still wanting to play baseball.
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#50 | 1904 days ago

redmiston wrote:
Enough is Enough...
Can we please stop living in the Baseball past, and move on to the Baseball Future?!
Yeah, I know a lot of players did steroids.
Lets start talking about players like David Wright, and Derek Jeter, and many others who play the game right with no help from PED's!!
My point exactly, start giving them the spotlight.
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#51 | 1904 days ago

OK OK OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, WE ALL KNOW THEY ALL DID IT WHY DO WE NEED THE LIST AND IF IS COMMING OUT ALL IN THE LIST SHOULD BE BAN FROM PLAYING EVEN IF THEY ARE MAKING ALL THAT MONEY FOR WHAT TO PAY FOR THE STEROID, FUCK THEM ALL, PARDON MY FRENCH.
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#52 | 1903 days ago

Oh yes! when it went ZOWEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! i was used to home run but.... there was a soccer ball on the plate so i dashed and i cant see the soccer ball. know what happened?? i was    used to chicken run instead of home run so the ball went ZOOOOOOOOM! And it hit the feilder he was injured and i gave him a 'chicken'  and some meat 'balls' to eathe ran away when he saw them you say why???? because they were like the chicken ball like i said chicken and meat balls. so where was the base ball?
it was on the same plate where i hit the soccer ball
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#53 | 1903 days ago

(Edited by gapogoft_h_e)
Cop4Cubs wrote:
I think that the longer they wait the more this thing is going to keep resurfacing get it done and over with, " Release the other Names".  so we can finally put this thing to bed..

0000 
 

#54 | 1903 days ago

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#55 | 1903 days ago

Oh yes! when it went ZOWEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! i was used to home run but.... there was a soccer ball on the plate so i dashed and i cant see the soccer ball. know what happened?? i was    used to chicken run instead of home run so the ball went ZOOOOOOOOM! And it hit the feilder he was injured and i gave him a 'chicken'  and some meat 'balls' to eathe ran away when he saw them you say why???? because they were like the chicken ball like i said chicken and meat balls. so where was the base ball?
it was on the same plate where i hit the soccer ball
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#56 | 1903 days ago

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#57 | 1903 days ago

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#58 | 1903 days ago

yes we need the list!! only to shut up everybody about who is, who isnt, and who did, and didnt!!!
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#59 | 1903 days ago

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#60 | 1900 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

renderdaemon wrote:
Thanks for the explanation! I guess I assumed that testing had been in place for a while....not as recently as 2003!!
You're quite welcome. Yes, testing has only been going on for six seasons now.
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#61 | 1900 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
Between these two choices, I have to go with release the whole list-- that would ultimately be better than the gradual leaking-- but the real answer is not release names at all. There was a collective agreement between MLB and the players' union that the names of those testing positive in 2003 would be kept confidential. It was a legally binding confidentiality agreement.  You have to honor that. I'm not saying that I want to protect cheaters, because I don't. But you don't break a legal contract just for the sake of sensationalism. I admit, I'm intrigued by the question of who leaked the names of A-Rod and Sosa-- apparently this is a "completely reliable source"-- and what the motive is for doing so.
The problem is they are breaking it. .. One name at a time.  Sosa and A-Rod are just the first casualties. They have to drag this stuff out and make it all dramatic. As soon things start to slow down in baseball well let's just leak the steroid story and whatever else. I just want them to release the names and get it over and done. Then maybe just maybe they can get back to playing baseball again.
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#62 | 1889 days ago

was sammy sosa testing positive really that big of a surprise??
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#63 | 1889 days ago

STLCardinalsFan wrote:
was sammy sosa testing positive really that big of a surprise??
About as much of a surprise when they leak McGwire's name.
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#64 | 1888 days ago
jasonwrites (+)

tj244 wrote:
About as much of a surprise when they leak McGwire's name.
I think McGwire was already out of the league by 2003 and so didn't get subjected to mandatory testing.
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#65 | 1885 days ago

NorseHeathen wrote:
Release their names.....then erase their statistics for cheating...
If I understand correctly; this list was generated before the drugs were considered illegal so their stats should stay.

Release the whole list. Once the first name, A-Rod, was "leaked" the confidentiaty (sp?) was gone. The non-drug users should be vindicated
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#66 | 1885 days ago

Heyhey1970 wrote:
Let's get it over with so we can remind ourselves who the true "greats" of all-time are... Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle... etc. 
Its kind of funny that  2 of the people you list as "greats" were known for overindulging in a drug of their time, alcohol. Both Ruth and Mantle (IMO cut his career short by contributing to his medical problems) were known to "bar men" after games.
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#67 | 1885 days ago

johnsonchuck34 wrote:
I am a little confused on this "private,voluntary,confidential" issue. If i am a player doing performance enhancing drugs,why would you take a test to see if  i tested positive,but if i was stupid enough to take a private test to confirm what i already know ,then why wouldn't i go to my PRIVATE doctor,so the results couldnt be released.As Arsenio used to say "things that make you go hmmmm"
MLB could claim your "Private Doctor's" test was tainted. Besides, who is to say that your doctor's results would not "leak out"either?
The American way is:    If I can make a buck I will
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#68 | 1885 days ago

Wildacats27 wrote:
I think that the MLB should give a season suspension to them for first time use. Then if they get caught again, they are kicked out of the MLB.
"But I just bet on my team to win"


                                 ___ Petey Rose
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#69 | 1885 days ago

(Edited by mnstar1959)
renderdaemon wrote:
My main question in all of this is simply, what was the point of doing the testing to begin with? Obviously, they knew who the dopers were, and yet, they continued to allow them to play. So why test players if nothing is to be done about it? Kind of pointless don't ya think?
MLB was trying to figure out how prevalent the problem was.

Yes, I know, behind the times they were.

And me too apparently.......
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#70 | 1885 days ago

mnstar1959 wrote:
Its kind of funny that  2 of the people you list as "greats" were known for overindulging in a drug of their time, alcohol. Both Ruth and Mantle (IMO cut his career short by contributing to his medical problems) were known to "bar men" after games.
But while we're laughing, we can easily make a distinction between abusing a drug and taking a drug that changes the outcome of games, right?  The integrity of the game is the most important issue. 
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#71 | 1885 days ago

(Edited by tj244)
jasonwrites wrote:
2003 was the first year of testing and it was essentially an experiment to see what percentage would test positive. If the positive percentage surpassed a certain threshold (I think it was 5% of all players tested) then mandatory testing with penalties would kick in the following year, which is exactly what happened. So basically MLB had to agree to make the initial round of tests confidential and non-penalized to get a tougher policy in place in the future; the union was hoping that the number of positives would be smaller and thus testing wouldn't need to continue, and those few who were positive would never have to be known. But it obviously didn't work out that way.
Well that might be the case but some of the players were so evident. Seriously, when you look at the before and after pictures of some of these men you knew that they were going to urinate hot. Why didn't they test in 1998? After the 1994 player's strike fans stopped attending games and things were bad for MLB.  Then in 1998 fans had finally started to come back when the Sosa/McGwire race for 62 home runs was going on. Heaven forbid they test them for steroids then because they might have had to do something about it. The bottom line is this: The MLB was  trying to protect their behinds for turning a blind eye to it the whole time.
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#72 | 1884 days ago

Yes; I agree with tj244 100%
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#73 | 1884 days ago

gobigblue1960 wrote:

Conjecture, rumors, gossip, inuendo, etc., until the list is released.
The other 600+ players who are clean deserve that.

No one is "clean".
#74 | 1883 days ago

ML31 wrote:
No one is "clean".
Hey!   I took a bath!!!!!!!!  
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#75 | 1883 days ago

mnstar1959 wrote:
Hey!   I took a bath!!!!!!!!  
OK.

Mnstar1959 is clean.

But no one else!
#76 | 1865 days ago
justincaseof1 (+)

Not only should they release the entire list, they should not allow any records to be counted if you were on this list.  Oh yes, not steroids or not, is the question lately.  Bull, any enhancement would be considered cheating.  If they want to put these guys in the Hall of Fame, then they better create a different wing, the steroid era.  Then again, what is the chances of that actually happening?  
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#77 | 1863 days ago

mnstar1959 wrote:
Yes; I agree with tj244 100%
I am surprised that whoever gave me a poor quality rating did not  give you one for agreeing with me.
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#78 | 1863 days ago

jasonwrites wrote:
I think McGwire was already out of the league by 2003 and so didn't get subjected to mandatory testing.
Like that is a surprise.. probably saw it coming.
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#79 | 1838 days ago

I say release the names, that way the fans are no longer questioning players and themselves about the players.  I think it would release a lot of tension in the game and help to improve its amount of fans.  I think its stupid that anyone should have released the fact of there being a list at all.  If that information is known they might as well release the names instead of them leaking out slowly.  Also if they didn't want anyone to know, why didn't they just burn the files and delete any history of them.  Just stupid upon the part of the MLB and MLBPA.
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#80 | 1836 days ago

I say if they release the names of all the players on the list. They should release them in the off-season and then be done with the hole thing. But doctors and pharmacist will tell is you mix certain supplements the can produce a positive test to steroids. So then what? I say keep testing everyone and be done with it. I really think they should destroy all the names.
#81 | 1836 days ago

tigger6984 wrote:
I say if they release the names of all the players on the list. They should release them in the off-season and then be done with the hole thing. But doctors and pharmacist will tell is you mix certain supplements the can produce a positive test to steroids. So then what? I say keep testing everyone and be done with it. I really think they should destroy all the names.
There is a court order and player agreement NOT to release the 104 names, someone is leaking them one by one, either lock up this guy or release them all. If nothing else it will clear all those who have been clean.
Release the rest of the 104 names  
#82 | 1836 days ago

mjc613 wrote:
There is a court order and player agreement NOT to release the 104 names, someone is leaking them one by one, either lock up this guy or release them all. If nothing else it will clear all those who have been clean.
I understand there is a court order. Then just burn the list and test players more often. I do agree with you. I just would like this to all go away. I believe the leak came from NY.
#83 | 1836 days ago

tigger6984 wrote:
I understand there is a court order. Then just burn the list and test players more often. I do agree with you. I just would like this to all go away. I believe the leak came from NY.
Why?  The "Leaker" wouldn't be in the news anymore.....sarcastic.......Release the list....everyone on it did nothing against the rules of the time it was developed...maybe it would strengthen support for some as it could show they are playing by the rules, i.e. stop using after it was outlawed
Release the rest of the 104 names  
#84 | 1836 days ago

mnstar1959 wrote:
Why?  The "Leaker" wouldn't be in the news anymore.....sarcastic.......Release the list....everyone on it did nothing against the rules of the time it was developed...maybe it would strengthen support for some as it could show they are playing by the rules, i.e. stop using after it was outlawed
I never said anything about the leaker being in the news. I really don't care who it is. I want the list to go away and have baseball be fun. No more pointing of the finger. Just play ball.
#85 | 1836 days ago

I only brought up leaker because who ever it is is loving the fact people are talking about him/her

The list goes away when the mystery of its secrecy goes away.
Release the rest of the 104 names  
#86 | 1836 days ago

Correct Tim... while it was aggreed with the Players Asssociation, that this would be confidential, someone is leaking names one by one.  Baseball needs to somhow move on and put the steroid era behind, one thing that can help expedite that process is to reveal the 104 names.  Otherwise this will linger for 10 years, a name here, a name there.  Take away the power of this indivudal and publish the list.  It will also allow the "clean" players to escape from speculation of being a user.  Is Puhols a user?  Only he knows.  Is Prince Fielder?  Ken Griffey Jr, Thome, Ryan Howard?      ---->  Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Raphael Palmero, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Eric Gagne, Kevin Brown, A-Rod, David Ortiz, shame on you, you should be embarrassed and pay for cheating the game and it's fans.  It's interesting how homeruns are down, Russell Martin who hit 20 a year has 4.  Big Papi 50 to 15.  So the testing is probably working, reveal the list, take your lumps and let's move on...  
Release the rest of the 104 names  
#87 | 1836 days ago

mjc613 wrote:
Correct Tim... while it was aggreed with the Players Asssociation, that this would be confidential, someone is leaking names one by one.  Baseball needs to somhow move on and put the steroid era behind, one thing that can help expedite that process is to reveal the 104 names.  Otherwise this will linger for 10 years, a name here, a name there.  Take away the power of this indivudal and publish the list.  It will also allow the "clean" players to escape from speculation of being a user.  Is Puhols a user?  Only he knows.  Is Prince Fielder?  Ken Griffey Jr, Thome, Ryan Howard?      ---->  Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Raphael Palmero, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Eric Gagne, Kevin Brown, A-Rod, David Ortiz, shame on you, you should be embarrassed and pay for cheating the game and it's fans.  It's interesting how homeruns are down, Russell Martin who hit 20 a year has 4.  Big Papi 50 to 15.  So the testing is probably working, reveal the list, take your lumps and let's move on...  
Releasing the names will do nothing.  It will not clear anyone.  The fact is, all players were told anonymous tests were coming.  I'd say that way more than half the users stopped long enough to escape the test.  So the fact they were not among the 104 names does not clear them from anything.  It is wishful thinking to think that it does.  All players from before the current method of testing will continue to be under suspicion.

The fact that Ortiz and Martin's power is down has nothing whatsoever to do with them potentially taking PEDs and now are not.  Oritz is having a bad year and missed a lot of games to injury.   So of course his numbers are down.  Martin is also having his worst offensive season of his short career.  This happens.  

Please, be realistic here.
#88 | 1836 days ago

ML31 wrote:
Releasing the names will do nothing.  It will not clear anyone.  The fact is, all players were told anonymous tests were coming.  I'd say that way more than half the users stopped long enough to escape the test.  So the fact they were not among the 104 names does not clear them from anything.  It is wishful thinking to think that it does.  All players from before the current method of testing will continue to be under suspicion.

The fact that Ortiz and Martin's power is down has nothing whatsoever to do with them potentially taking PEDs and now are not.  Oritz is having a bad year and missed a lot of games to injury.   So of course his numbers are down.  Martin is also having his worst offensive season of his short career.  This happens.  

Please, be realistic here.
The fact is there is a PED/steroid problem. We can wait 50 years and just place it in the Black Sox Scandal column, or we can take the necessary action and correct it. MLB knew players were taking PED's long before the public became aware, it enhanced attendance and revenue streams and they choose to ignor it. The fact is homeruns are down 9%. If MLB really wanted to correct the problem (they don't) they would simply suspend those who test positive for LIFE. That would fix it instantly. Martin and Ortiz are just a couple of many examples of players quickly declining, it became commonplace for players to hit 50, 60, 70 homeruns, today they hit 30 and 40...
Release the rest of the 104 names  
#89 | 1836 days ago

mjc613 wrote:
The fact is there is a PED/steroid problem. We can wait 50 years and just place it in the Black Sox Scandal column, or we can take the necessary action and correct it. MLB knew players were taking PED's long before the public became aware, it enhanced attendance and revenue streams and they choose to ignor it. The fact is homeruns are down 9%. If MLB really wanted to correct the problem (they don't) they would simply suspend those who test positive for LIFE. That would fix it instantly. Martin and Ortiz are just a couple of many examples of players quickly declining, it became commonplace for players to hit 50, 60, 70 homeruns, today they hit 30 and 40...
And after the MLBPA finally OK'd it, MLB has taken steps to halt it. 
Also, MLB didn't care because they using figured PED's didn't affect the game any.  It wasn't until their use came under some scrutiny that the MLBPA allowed MLB to do something about it.  Funny how writers and some fans didn't care about PED's until recent years when they were being used for decades.  Fans are hypocrites.
Ortiz is declining because he is getting old.  Not because he no longer uses PED's.  Martin is having one off year.  That is hardly a decline.  Cal Ripken Jr. had off years every now and then too.  That didn't mean his skills were declining.  And 60 and 70 homer seasons were hardly commonplace.  Far from it.  50 homer seasons used to come up every now and then in the past too.  Does that mean all of those old time players were taking 'roids too?  As I have said before, please get real.

The PED issue has been dealt with and I say move on to bigger more pressing issues.

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