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What's wrong with you red wing fans? (Edited 07/25/09 04:37PM by seal_warrior1)

For all those who watched game 7... It was the first time I ever heard the fans "boo" the winning team in a Stanley Cup final. Every series I have watched since I was a kid, I cannot ever remember hearing the "hockey fans" boo the (visiting) team who won... maybe the cheers are more subdued than if the home team had won... but they always applauded out of respect for the game, and the team's effort. So WTF Detroit fans...?

| Closed on 08/15/09 at 05:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | NHL, Detroit Red Wings | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Teams: Detroit Red Wings

31 Fans
3%	a. Wings fans are disrespectful...
10%	b. Wings fans are sore losers...
13%	c. Wings fans are cry babies...
74%	d. All of the above

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#8 \| 161 days ago gobigblue1960 (+)	Is this crap between disgrunteled fans going to go on forever.? This poll is just an attempt to get things more upsetting on both ends. I heard the boos after the game, and yes, i didn't agree. If you honestly think no road team has ever been booed by the home team after winning the Stanley Cup on road ice, you are wrong. Fans are emotional, and will do things at an emotional time. Now, how about we stop all this childish nonsense going on between the Red Wings and Penguins fans. Pittsburgh won, and i was one of the first on the Q to congratulate them. The Red Wings simply didn't play well enough to win the Cup. Congratulations once again to all the Pens fans...isn't it a great feeling.?
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#1 \| 161 days ago mrturk (+)	What game were you watching? Perhaps it was during when Pens captain Crosby refused to shake hands with Red Wing captain Lidstrom?
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#2 \| 161 days ago HULL_17 (+)	This Poll Sucks... PQ Me All You Want...It Sucks
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#3 \| 161 days ago bobjrinaz (+)	As much as I want to believe that the fans booed the Pens and not just Bettman, I just listened to the end on youtube and that is exactly what I saw. The boos were heavy but honestly, what is he being booed for again? And honestly, he is doing his job giving the cup up. So the boos for that are just wrong. If he is being booed for the way the league has gotten with the toughness, that is not so much him but other powers that be. The union wants to protect the players, the agents want to protect the players, most of the owners are in line with that too. They do have a democracy in there. I know everyone needs a fall guy and I am one of the fans that don't like the direction the league has taken. But think about this....he was a big part of rallying the troops and legal to keep the Pens in Pitt. He was intergral in giving the Coyotes a chance away from management that just does not care about their city in Arizona. I think what needs to happen is that fans that are booing him need to make sure they understand why. Also, make sure the facts are in check. That is all I am saying. With that I do detract as I call it like I see it and I did not see boos as the game ended or before the announcement from Bettman. There were a few really low boos but for the most part it was pretty standard and correct. Detroit fans, I hate to give you your props on this but you are right as far as that goes. Unfortunately I have had my run ins with Wings fans at Coyote games and the class shown has me leaning in the direction of siding against the Wings at every turn. I had a Wing fan dude try to fight with my wife and when I followed him down the stairs instead of her, he backed up and sat back down. I know it is just one dude and can't judge all fans but if you were me, you would take bitterness from this. Anyway, enough said. Great Stanley Cup. Two great teams. Hossa getting the kharma he deserved. We as fans should all feel blessed to have had such an outstanding playoffs and finals. This was a great year even though my Coyotes and Islanders didn't do squat and I almost lost my Coyotes to Hamilton. In the end can't we all just say HOCKEY RULES!!!! And wait til next year? All of the above
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#4 \| 161 days ago kramer (+)	mrturk wrote: What game were you watching? Perhaps it was during when Pens captain Crosby refused to shake hands with Red Wing captain Lidstrom? That was Kris Draper making a mountain out of a mole hill. Of course NBC's (not so) loveable moron Pierre Larouche had to pull Crosby aside before he got in line to interview him. By the time Sid got in line to shake hands, the front of the line for the Wings was already headed for the dressing room. That whole thing about Crosby not shaking Lidstrom's hand was nothing but an excuse for Detroit fans and players to dis Crosby. All of the above
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#5 \| 161 days ago Just_Smile (+)	Is this a trick question Bryan? Um... they're fans of the Red Wings.... that's what's wrong!!! Last year, Penguin fans did give the Redwings the respect they deserved when they won the Cup. All of the above
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#6 \| 161 days ago eliz9345 (+)	there is absolutly nothing wrong with being a red wings fan!!!
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#7 \| 161 days ago weldwater (+)	The Red Wings fans are poor, sore, and embarressed losers. They talked their trash and couldnt back it up! The Penguins came to play. Crosby not shaking hands was a snub to the Red Wings alright. Way to go Crosby! COuld this be the start of a real rilvary that the NHL really needs? Way to go Penguins!! Wings fans are sore losers...
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#8 \| 161 days ago gobigblue1960 (+)	Is this crap between disgrunteled fans going to go on forever.? This poll is just an attempt to get things more upsetting on both ends. I heard the boos after the game, and yes, i didn't agree. If you honestly think no road team has ever been booed by the home team after winning the Stanley Cup on road ice, you are wrong. Fans are emotional, and will do things at an emotional time. Now, how about we stop all this childish nonsense going on between the Red Wings and Penguins fans. Pittsburgh won, and i was one of the first on the Q to congratulate them. The Red Wings simply didn't play well enough to win the Cup. Congratulations once again to all the Pens fans...isn't it a great feeling.?
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#9 \| 161 days ago hartley51592 (+)	I did lose a little respect for Detroit fans during the Finals. They did some complaining for penalties like Canadiens fans would. But i completly agree with their booing of Bettman Wings fans are cry babies...
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#10 \| 161 days ago kteacher (+)	OK---I am not a fan of traveling Red Wings fans. They have got to be the most obnoxious visiting fans. All of the above
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#11 \| 161 days ago lori2911316 (+)	(Edited by kramer) kramer wrote: That was Kris Draper making a mountain out of a mole hill. Of course NBC's (not so) loveable moron Pierre Larouche had to pull Crosby aside before he got in line to interview him. By the time Sid got in line to shake hands, the front of the line for the Wings was already headed for the dressing room. That whole thing about Crosby not shaking Lidstrom's hand was nothing but an excuse for Detroit fans and players to dis Crosby. As I recall last yr the Pens were upset because Chelios didnt high fived them, so pay back is a b**. The Pens are nothing but f**** cheaters that the only reason they won. How come Zetterberg got a penalty when Staal pushed him into Fleury, but in game 7, they ran right into Ozzie and they didnt get a penalty!!! That was a penalty! The Wings dont cheat at least. The Wings will always be BETTER than the pens!!!!
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#12 \| 160 days ago lori2911316 (+)	The hell the pens fans did!!! I watched game 6 last yr when the Wings won. The pens fans were booing the wings, so dont give me that bs!!!! What goes around comes around!!!! The Wings are a HELL of alot better than the pens, and we DONT CHEAT!!!!!
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#13 \| 160 days ago nyrangers (+)	kramer wrote: That was Kris Draper making a mountain out of a mole hill. Of course NBC's (not so) loveable moron Pierre Larouche had to pull Crosby aside before he got in line to interview him. By the time Sid got in line to shake hands, the front of the line for the Wings was already headed for the dressing room. That whole thing about Crosby not shaking Lidstrom's hand was nothing but an excuse for Detroit fans and players to dis Crosby. "...making a mountain out of a mole hill..." Hahahahah we're you watching Scrubs earlier today? Because I've never really heard that phrase used until it was on Scrubs today when Turk was trying to explain to Carla about how she overreacts, so I'm assuming you watched that episode and you posted that because it was fresh in your mind... ...Uhm, anyway, the only booing I heard was when Bettyman came out to give the Cup, which has been a tradition recently as he is a terrible commish, but that's another story. This thread is completely unessesary, because you are making something out of nothing that is only going to stir more controversy rather than talk about hockey. There was no excess booing; some fans are always going to boo on the road. The cheers drowned out any boos there were anyway, as the Pens fans were there to celebrate...in fact there were even a few WINGS fans cheering...see: If you look closely enough you can see the girl in the Red Wings jersey doing something she probably shouldn't
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#14 \| 160 days ago lori2911316 (+)	I totally agree with you. The wings played like crap in game 6 & 7. If the refs were fair to the Wings in game 3, we wouldnt have had to have a game 6 or 7. As far as the Wings fans booing, the pen fans did that to Detroit last yr,so payback.
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#15 \| 160 days ago nyrangers (+)	On another note, try to make your polls less biased. I can't take you seriously if all of the answers are essentially the same thing all geared in your , the poll creator's, favor.
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#16 \| 160 days ago lori2911316 (+)	We are not ignornant fans!! Everyteam has fans that act like that!! I remember the pens acting ignornant when the wings won!! Wings are still the best and I still LOVE them!!!
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#17 \| 160 days ago djekg13 (+)	(Edited by kramer) lori2911316 wrote: As I recall last yr the Pens were upset because Chelios didnt high fived them, so pay back is a b**. The Pens are nothing but f** cheaters that the only reason they won. How come Zetterberg got a penalty when Staal pushed him into Fleury, but in game 7, they ran right into Ozzie and they didnt get a penalty!!! That was a penalty! The Wings dont cheat at least. The Wings will always be BETTER than the pens!!!! HOLY S*... another retarded wings fan!!! I can understand being bias for your team, but give me a break... You didn't notice the stick work the wings used? As a player, and a coach, and a HUGE fan of the game I can watch the game with a little more perspective than those who watch with their "red wing" colored glasses... I am in no way saying that the Pens didn't get away with a few, but the wings got away with a hell of a lot more... Take off your fan shades and watch the series again!
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#18 \| 160 days ago djekg13 (+)	nyrangers wrote: On another note, try to make your polls less biased. I can't take you seriously if all of the answers are essentially the same thing all geared in your , the poll creator's, favor. OK... you are correct about this poll leaning to my side... for the most part, I have no problem with the boo'ing of Bettman. I did however notice more boo'ing when certain Pens players held up the cup... so be it... whatever... The truth is, even if the Pens didn't make it to the cup games... I would still cheer against the red wings!!! NEVER LIKED THEM... NEVER WILL!!!
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#19 \| 160 days ago domtolead (+)	The first goal the Pens scored in game 7 was an icing and not called, Crosby slapping wings with his stick heading back to the bench, starting fights within the last 2 minutes of a game, NOT being suspended, and NOT securing their jerseys down. The zebras let lots of crap go in the playoffs they called during the regular season. That was wrong. Call it the same. Both teams took bad penalties, both teams didnt get called on a lot of penalties, the wings sucked in game 6 and 7, Ill admit that. Ive been a wings fan for 30+ years and will always be my team. I dont dislike the Penguins, I honestly dont even dislike Chicago or Colorado after all the history, im a hockey fan! The Penguins played better and wanted the cup more than Detroit did this year, plain and simply. I applaud the Pens on their Stanly Cup victory, but come on, is all this team bashing, name calling and bickering worth it! Be a hockey fan!
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#20 \| 160 days ago kramer (+)	Guys, please watch your language. If anyone needs to check it over, here's the link to our code of conduct: http://www.faniq.com/faqs.php#Code+of+Conduct All of the above
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#21 \| 160 days ago kramer (+)	lori2911316 wrote: The hell the pens fans did!!! I watched game 6 last yr when the Wings won. The pens fans were booing the wings, so dont give me that bs!!!! What goes around comes around!!!! The Wings are a HELL of alot better than the pens, and we DONT CHEAT!!!!! Stop being so biased and accusing the Pens of cheating. If you're going to bring up last year, how about telling me about game 2 where the Red Wings were getting away with murder and should've had about 5 or 6 penalties called in that game for cross-checking, roughing, interference, etc, and NOTHING was called. So if you'd like to accuse MY team of cheating, watch last year's 2nd game and you'll see how YOUR team got quite a few gifts. I heard the same garbage after the Steelers won the Super Bowl both this year and 3 years ago. The losing team's fans think they only lost because the other team cheated, and can't come to terms with the fact that THEIR team didn't capitalize on the chances they had. Would you like to tell me how the Pens were cheating in the 3rd period of game 7 when Detroit couldn't figure out how to score while playing in Pittsburgh's end of the ice for 14 MINUTES?! Also, to anyone who says the ref missed the icing call on Talbot's first goal, keep in mind that it's not the same rules as it used to be. If the ref feels that someone could've played the puck before it went in that deep, he's allowed to wave it off. Any of you Detroit fans ever give that a thought? All of the above
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#22 \| 156 days ago mavsoccer23 (+)	The Problem Isn't with the detroit fans it's with cry babies over in Pittsburg, The penguins didn't deserve to win the cup they didn't win detroit lost plain and simple. Fans booing the opposing team who cares it's called a rivarly for a reason.
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#23 \| 156 days ago hooper3122 (+)	lori2911316 wrote: As I recall last yr the Pens were upset because Chelios didnt high fived them, so pay back is a b**. The Pens are nothing but f** cheaters that the only reason they won. How come Zetterberg got a penalty when Staal pushed him into Fleury, but in game 7, they ran right into Ozzie and they didnt get a penalty!!! That was a penalty! The Wings dont cheat at least. The Wings will always be BETTER than the pens!!!! are you serious!!?? your talking about that staal and zetterberg crap? how about when zetterberg closed his hand over the puck when it was on osgoods back which shouldve been a penalty shot! and then when zetterberg was laying down in the crease (not saying it was a penalty) but for the first two games you guys had an advantage of two goalies at one time! a.k.a. osgood and zetterberg! so dont give me this st about staal pushing people when detroit had plenty of non-calls themselves there bucco All of the above
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#24 \| 156 days ago spikemike2113 (+)	It was Stewart he gave up the puck 3 times and they all resulted in goals
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#25 \| 156 days ago kramer (+)	mavsoccer23 wrote: The Problem Isn't with the detroit fans it's with cry babies over in Pittsburg, The penguins didn't deserve to win the cup they didn't win detroit lost plain and simple. Fans booing the opposing team who cares it's called a rivarly for a reason. Pittsburgh fans are crybabies and there's NOTHING wrong with Detroit fans? If that's the case, why are the Red Wings fans continuing to accuse the Pens of cheating and crying over spilt milk, saying "the Pens didn't deserve to win the Stanley Cup." Dear Kettle, You are black. Love, Pot. All of the above
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#26 \| 155 days ago Yinzer (+)	mavsoccer23 wrote: The Problem Isn't with the detroit fans it's with cry babies over in Pittsburg, The penguins didn't deserve to win the cup they didn't win detroit lost plain and simple. Fans booing the opposing team who cares it's called a rivarly for a reason. one, its Pittsburgh, you don't see me running around saying detroi. and two, that's all i have to say about that. All of the above
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#27 \| 155 days ago mavsoccer23 (+)	kramer wrote: Pittsburgh fans are crybabies and there's NOTHING wrong with Detroit fans? If that's the case, why are the Red Wings fans continuing to accuse the Pens of cheating and crying over spilt milk, saying "the Pens didn't deserve to win the Stanley Cup." Dear Kettle, You are black. Love, Pot. One I never accused the penguins of cheating and two I was stating an opinion I don't think the penguins deserved to win the cup. Penguins fans are talking about us booing but what about the cheap shot from Malkin on Zetterberg and Crosby poor sportsmanship after all the stuff that happened during the series there should of been nothing but boos from detroit fans.
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#28 \| 155 days ago hooper3122 (+)	mavsoccer23 wrote: One I never accused the penguins of cheating and two I was stating an opinion I don't think the penguins deserved to win the cup. Penguins fans are talking about us booing but what about the cheap shot from Malkin on Zetterberg and Crosby poor sportsmanship after all the stuff that happened during the series there should of been nothing but boos from detroit fans. oh thats bs, crosby was in line then he got pulled aside to do an interview, so dont even bring that up All of the above
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#29 \| 154 days ago mavsoccer23 (+)	(Edited by mavsoccer23) hooper3122 wrote: oh thats bs, crosby was in line then he got pulled aside to do an interview, so dont even bring that up I wasn't talking about when he didn't shake hands I was talking about when he tried to trip Kirk Maltby.
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#30 \| 154 days ago hooper3122 (+)	mavsoccer23 wrote: I wasn't talking about when he didn't shake hands I was talking about when he tried to trip Kirk Maltby. maltby was on crosbys case all series, trying to get him to draw penalties and everything, what's wrong with a little retaliation? All of the above
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#31 \| 153 days ago kramer (+)	mavsoccer23 wrote: I wasn't talking about when he didn't shake hands I was talking about when he tried to trip Kirk Maltby. You wouldn't be complaining if it was Maltby retaliating against Crosby. Once again, the pot is calling the kettle black. All of the above
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#32 \| 153 days ago maggieacts (+)	Were just very loyal fans, we like the team no matter how bad they are.
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#33 \| 153 days ago mavsoccer23 (+)	hooper3122 wrote: maltby was on crosbys case all series, trying to get him to draw penalties and everything, what's wrong with a little retaliation? A little retaliation would have been doing something in the game what Crosby did was just being a poor sport.
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#34 \| 153 days ago kramer (+)	maggieacts wrote: Were just very loyal fans, we like the team no matter how bad they are. There's a huge difference between being loyal to a team and being so blindly biased that you can't accept the fact that the team lost and there's nothing that's going to change it. All of the above
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#35 \| 153 days ago djekg13 (+)	kramer wrote: There's a huge difference between being loyal to a team and being so blindly biased that you can't accept the fact that the team lost and there's nothing that's going to change it. Thanks... at least someone else understands what I meant by this poll! From my experience, EVERY Detroit fan (Pistons / Wings... but not the Lions fans) have been so rudely outspoken about their teams, calling it "loyalty", that they effectively insult all other fans, of different city teams to such a degree, that it becomes an almost nation wide hatred of Detroit fans. As soon as anyone I meet admits they are a Wings fan, I end up never wanting to discuss anything sports related with these people because 99% of the time it ends in a major argument on the verge of violence. Not that I sit there trying to "slam" on their team, but because they are sure to try and convince me that their teams are the supreme force in sports... and when those teams are doing poorly it's because the other team cheated... or the refs were unfair (or bought)... or whatever excuse they can come up with! It's just disturbing!
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#36 \| 153 days ago nyrangers (+)	djekg13 wrote: Thanks... at least someone else understands what I meant by this poll! From my experience, EVERY Detroit fan (Pistons / Wings... but not the Lions fans) have been so rudely outspoken about their teams, calling it "loyalty", that they effectively insult all other fans, of different city teams to such a degree, that it becomes an almost nation wide hatred of Detroit fans. As soon as anyone I meet admits they are a Wings fan, I end up never wanting to discuss anything sports related with these people because 99% of the time it ends in a major argument on the verge of violence. Not that I sit there trying to "slam" on their team, but because they are sure to try and convince me that their teams are the supreme force in sports... and when those teams are doing poorly it's because the other team cheated... or the refs were unfair (or bought)... or whatever excuse they can come up with! It's just disturbing! Every team in every sport in every league has fans like that. Most of them are bandwagon fans. They're always going to make excuses and complain about things like the officiating. It's not really fair to sterotype an entire fanbase. The same thing you are saying about Detroit fans I could say about Pittsburgh fans last year, or a "fan" of any team who loses in the finals. And then the "fans" get cocky when they win. It always happens.
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#37 \| 152 days ago Dubya (+)	maggieacts wrote: Were just very loyal fans, we like the team no matter how bad they are. Go Lions!
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#38 \| 152 days ago Dubya (+)	OH....We (and by we I mean PITTSBURGH) love winning it all in your city. Two championships in four years ain't bad. How soon can detroit hold another Superbowl?
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#39 \| 147 days ago heckler (+)	djekg13 wrote: OK... you are correct about this poll leaning to my side... for the most part, I have no problem with the boo'ing of Bettman. I did however notice more boo'ing when certain Pens players held up the cup... so be it... whatever... The truth is, even if the Pens didn't make it to the cup games... I would still cheer against the red wings!!! NEVER LIKED THEM... NEVER WILL!!! See I like both teams. So this poll is just silly to me. Drunk fans do stupid stuff all the time in many,many cities. In some soccer stadiums fans throw bananas at black players. So a few boos don't seem that bad really. To bad the Wings didn't win the City of Detroit needed something to cheer them up in this terrible economy.
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#40 \| 146 days ago djekg13 (+)	nyrangers wrote: Every team in every sport in every league has fans like that. Most of them are bandwagon fans. They're always going to make excuses and complain about things like the officiating. It's not really fair to sterotype an entire fanbase. The same thing you are saying about Detroit fans I could say about Pittsburgh fans last year, or a "fan" of any team who loses in the finals. And then the "fans" get cocky when they win. It always happens. I agree with this 100%... and I have said almost exactly the same thing in another poll during the football season. I am in no way trying to say that all Pittsburgh fans saints, or that somewhere (even though I have not met any yet) there are level headed Detroit fans... I started this poll because I was shocked at the "booing" I heard. Truth be told, the responses to this poll shined a light on a few things I had missed while I was jumping around my living room celebrating the win... For the most part, my negative few of Detroit fans is based on my personal experience, and my hatred of the Wings... which in my opinion helps keep this rivalry alive... but to clarify... I am NOT saying that Detroit fans are bad people... just that they are "rabid" fans.
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#41 \| 146 days ago djekg13 (+)	(Edited by djekg13) heckler wrote: See I like both teams. So this poll is just silly to me. Drunk fans do stupid stuff all the time in many,many cities. In some soccer stadiums fans throw bananas at black players. So a few boos don't seem that bad really. To bad the Wings didn't win the City of Detroit needed something to cheer them up in this terrible economy. I like more than one team as well... but I'm not afraid to say that I hate a few teams too... I agree that drunk fans do rotten things, as well as sober ones, but this is because there are too many "band wagon" fans... especially when championship games are played. Also, in comparison to those absolutely psychotic soccer fans around the world, all of the worst fans of all other sports are completely tame... so we can't really go there. And as much as Detroit needed something to cheer them up in this economy, they are not the only city suffering...
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#42 \| 146 days ago Dubya (+)	At least the hockey fans didn't act like the basketball fans out in LA. Seen some of those shots on the news. YAY! We Won! Lets go destroy stuff in our city!?!
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#43 \| 144 days ago redwingfan5 (+)	Dubya wrote: At least the hockey fans didn't act like the basketball fans out in LA. Seen some of those shots on the news. YAY! We Won! Lets go destroy stuff in our city!?! Ohio State fans do that. Also when they lose. they tip every car from Michigan if they were playing them.
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#44 \| 144 days ago redwingfan5 (+)	Why is everyone fighting? it's over!
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#45 \| 143 days ago kramer (+)	redwingfan5 wrote: Ohio State fans do that. Also when they lose. they tip every car from Michigan if they were playing them. WVU students go set couches on fire in the middle of the street when they win...and when they lose. All of the above
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#46 \| 141 days ago qtowndogg (+)	So, should they be happy that they just lost the Cup? Wings fans are sore losers...
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#47 \| 140 days ago djekg13 (+)	qtowndogg wrote: So, should they be happy that they just lost the Cup? No... they shouldn't be happy about losing the cup, but they should show some respect to the game, and the better team that beat them... not to mention the better team's fans! I don't know... maybe show a little humility and grace when their team loses as compared to a rampage about how the other team "cheated" for the win...
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#48 \| 136 days ago djekg13 (+)	Maybe you should have this "I have more cups" argument with a Montreal Canadians fan... and maybe do a little research on how many cups the pens have won... but thanks for also proving my point!
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#49 \| 135 days ago arttayloriii (+)	djekg13 wrote: Thanks... at least someone else understands what I meant by this poll! From my experience, EVERY Detroit fan (Pistons / Wings... but not the Lions fans) have been so rudely outspoken about their teams, calling it "loyalty", that they effectively insult all other fans, of different city teams to such a degree, that it becomes an almost nation wide hatred of Detroit fans. As soon as anyone I meet admits they are a Wings fan, I end up never wanting to discuss anything sports related with these people because 99% of the time it ends in a major argument on the verge of violence. Not that I sit there trying to "slam" on their team, but because they are sure to try and convince me that their teams are the supreme force in sports... and when those teams are doing poorly it's because the other team cheated... or the refs were unfair (or bought)... or whatever excuse they can come up with! It's just disturbing! LOL Lions have a hard time winning and they arent very good. As far as the "insulting all other fans..." I disagree I AM a Red wings fan and have never insulted any other fans in any degree. In fact I was rooting for the Pens wanting them to make the finals. They won and I was a little dissappointed but not angry, both teams played hard and we all got to watch 7 GREAT GAMES. I think Crosby will be a Hall of Famer one day, though I did get a little laugh that Hossa traded to the Wings for a pay cut and didn't get the cup that he left the Pens hoping to get.
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#50 \| 135 days ago kramer (+)	(Edited by kramer) arttayloriii wrote: LOL Lions have a hard time winning and they arent very good. As far as the "insulting all other fans..." I disagree I AM a Red wings fan and have never insulted any other fans in any degree. In fact I was rooting for the Pens wanting them to make the finals. They won and I was a little dissappointed but not angry, both teams played hard and we all got to watch 7 GREAT GAMES. I think Crosby will be a Hall of Famer one day, though I did get a little laugh that Hossa traded to the Wings for a pay cut and didn't get the cup that he left the Pens hoping to get. Well next year, your Wings have to make sure they lose to the Blackhawks so the Hawks can make the Finals with Hossa who will lose for a THIRD straight year. All of the above
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#51 \| 133 days ago HULL_17 (+)	The Penguins 2 Stanley Cup Championships For The Franchise Detroit Red Wings 11 Stanley Cup Championships For The Franchise
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#52 \| 133 days ago kramer (+)	HULL_17 wrote: The Penguins 2 Stanley Cup Championships For The Franchise Detroit Red Wings 11 Stanley Cup Championships For The Franchise The 2009 Stanley Cup makes THREE for the Pens, if you're going to use the classic "we have more championships than you so we're automatically better" argument, you could at least get the totals right. Oh and BTW, the Pens have only been around since 1967, how many of those 11 titles did Detroit win before that? All of the above

#53 \| 132 days ago HULL_17 (+)	lol i forgot that they won it back to back in 91 & 92... i'm not a pens fan....
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#54 \| 132 days ago Dubya (+)	HULL_17 wrote: lol i forgot that they won it back to back in 91 & 92... i'm not a pens fan.... Not really a fan at all! Detroit has won 4 Cups since 1967. One more than the Penguins could have won in that time frame. Not a Pens fan? Not a hockey fan is more like it. It is what it is...Hockey is wierd. So many Cups with only 6 teams? Don't get me wrong..the wings have been a great hockey team for quite a while now. They are good every year. I'm not a wings fan...just a hockey fan...take your 11 title argument up with an oringinal 6 team fan. Go catch the Habs with Cups and see how that works out.
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#55 \| 131 days ago djekg13 (+)	HULL_17 wrote: lol i forgot that they won it back to back in 91 & 92... i'm not a pens fan.... Not a Pens fan.... I think we figured that out with your first "they cheated" comment...
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#56 \| 130 days ago kramer (+)	HULL_17 wrote: lol i forgot that they won it back to back in 91 & 92... i'm not a pens fan.... Lesson #1: If you're not 100% sure about the history of a team, don't say anything. All of the above
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#57 \| 128 days ago powerpuff770 (+)	I agree with that . :-)
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#58 \| 127 days ago jvuk1 (+)	gobigblue1960 wrote: Is this crap between disgrunteled fans going to go on forever.? This poll is just an attempt to get things more upsetting on both ends. I heard the boos after the game, and yes, i didn't agree. If you honestly think no road team has ever been booed by the home team after winning the Stanley Cup on road ice, you are wrong. Fans are emotional, and will do things at an emotional time. Now, how about we stop all this childish nonsense going on between the Red Wings and Penguins fans. Pittsburgh won, and i was one of the first on the Q to congratulate them. The Red Wings simply didn't play well enough to win the Cup. Congratulations once again to all the Pens fans...isn't it a great feeling.? the fans were booing bettman it happens any time he makes an appearance. they booed him more recently at the hockey draft. hockey fans don't like him and what he has done to the game yet the board of governors insist on keeping him. he will be booed any appearance he makes. i know this is an embarrassment for the nhl but the nhl is an embarrasssment as long as he is commissioner.
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#59 \| 125 days ago ninorules92 (+)	are you people stupid???? the wings fans sure did boo, but the cheers were still louder than the cheers the pens fans gave us when we won it in their place.. plus, -malkin is a dirty player -Crosby's not a great player, not even best on his team -we should all agree HOSSA was the problem both years GO WINGS 2010
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#60 \| 125 days ago jvuk1 (+)	(Edited by jvuk1) gobigblue1960 wrote: Is this crap between disgrunteled fans going to go on forever.? This poll is just an attempt to get things more upsetting on both ends. I heard the boos after the game, and yes, i didn't agree. If you honestly think no road team has ever been booed by the home team after winning the Stanley Cup on road ice, you are wrong. Fans are emotional, and will do things at an emotional time. Now, how about we stop all this childish nonsense going on between the Red Wings and Penguins fans. Pittsburgh won, and i was one of the first on the Q to congratulate them. The Red Wings simply didn't play well enough to win the Cup. Congratulations once again to all the Pens fans...isn't it a great feeling.? they were booing Bettman. they always do. they did it more recently at the hockey draft. hockey fans don't like Bettman for what he has done to the game yet the board of governor's insist on keeping him because he helped them get the cap. fans boo him anytime he makes an appearance, this is an embarrassment for the nhl but as long as Bettman is commissioner yhe nhl IS an embarrassment
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#61 \| 124 days ago djekg13 (+)	ninorules92 wrote: are you people stupid???? the wings fans sure did boo, but the cheers were still louder than the cheers the pens fans gave us when we won it in their place.. plus, -malkin is a dirty player -Crosby's not a great player, not even best on his team -we should all agree HOSSA was the problem both years GO WINGS 2010 Stupid... I think not! Somebody call 911 and send in the boo-hoo wambulance... PLEASE just quit your crying about dirty this and cheating that already. I'll agree that Malkin lost his cool several times during the series, and did some ugly things, but a dirty player he is not! If you want to talk about dirty players... everyone on Detroit's first 2 lines should have shared one name... Paul Bunyon!!! They swung more lumber than the king of lumberjacks ever could!!! If Crosby wasn't constantly double teamed you would see how great of a player he actually is! As for Hossa... yep, he's a punk! As for a three-peat cup appearance for the wings...
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#62 \| 123 days ago osgoodfan40 (+)	the pens dont deserve it?! sidneys a cry baby, malkins sicking. there all jerks
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#63 \| 123 days ago godzillavkidman (+)	pens got lucky all they really did was just screw up until they actually built a team
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#64 \| 123 days ago HULL_17 (+)	djekg13 wrote: Not a Pens fan.... I think we figured that out with your first "they cheated" comment... i have never said that they cheated...i know that they won fair and square...
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#65 \| 122 days ago kramer (+)	(Edited by kramer) If you're going with counting cups, the Montreal Canadiens are the best team in the NHL, they've won 24 times. So by your logic, the Wings STILL are not the best team in hockey. Do you see why history means jack when it comes to winning a championship every year? Let's also go from 1967, since that's when the Pens first came into existence. The amount of championships suddenly evens itself out considerably, doesn't it? When a team wins the championship, they prove that they WERE the best team in that sport in THAT PARTICULAR YEAR! Your logic is as bad as the stupid little Yankees fan at a Pirates game last year at PNC Park who said "Pirates suck" and said to me "we won 26 World Series and you won FIVE!" When he said this, the Pirates were ahead 9-1 in the 5th inning, and went on to win 9-3 or 10-3. See what I mean about history having absolutely nothing to do with the current game? All of the above
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#66 \| 122 days ago kramer (+)	godzillavkidman wrote: pens got lucky all they really did was just screw up until they actually built a team Oh God, THE PENS DID NOT PURPOSELY SUCK ALL THOSE YEARS! They had NOTHING! They were awful all those years because the team they had was that bad, not because they tanked. They were smart enough to draft the right players when they had those opportunities. Statements like that royally pi$$ me off! All of the above
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#67 \| 120 days ago teen_72401 (+)	Your just jealous of the greatest team ever!!! It was a fluke that they lost to the penguins this past year... This year we will take it all!!!
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#68 \| 119 days ago Dubya (+)	teen_72401 wrote: Your just jealous of the greatest team ever!!! It was a fluke that they lost to the penguins this past year... This year we will take it all!!! Not too jealous here in Pittsburgh. Unless we are talking baseball. We just had two Championship parades here the last 6 months. Fluke? detroit lost 4 of the last 5 games.
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#69 \| 119 days ago smoky527 (+)	gobigblue1960 wrote: Is this crap between disgrunteled fans going to go on forever.? This poll is just an attempt to get things more upsetting on both ends. I heard the boos after the game, and yes, i didn't agree. If you honestly think no road team has ever been booed by the home team after winning the Stanley Cup on road ice, you are wrong. Fans are emotional, and will do things at an emotional time. Now, how about we stop all this childish nonsense going on between the Red Wings and Penguins fans. Pittsburgh won, and i was one of the first on the Q to congratulate them. The Red Wings simply didn't play well enough to win the Cup. Congratulations once again to all the Pens fans...isn't it a great feeling.? I am a red wings fans, and i congradulate the pens for winning. You're right the wings didn't play as well as they could. It was a good seris to say the least
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#70 \| 119 days ago Yinzer (+)	smoky527 wrote: I am a red wings fans, and i congradulate the pens for winning. You're right the wings didn't play as well as they could. It was a good seris to say the least i sense a trap.. stop being nice with all your good sportsmanship 'n'nat! 8 thumbs up to whoever eats calamari this week... All of the above
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#71 \| 117 days ago djekg13 (+)	teen_72401 wrote: Your just jealous of the greatest team ever!!! It was a fluke that they lost to the penguins this past year... This year we will take it all!!! Greatest team ever? In what sport? Like I've already stated... the greatest NHL dynasty is Montreal... 26 cup wins all together. Giving credit where it's due... Detroit has had a great run over the last 2 1/2 decades, but the same could be said of New Jersey and Colorado... so this whole "the greatest team ever" is the problem I'm talking about with Detroit fans. Be a fan, support your team, even argue your points (as long as you have the correct information)... but ALWAYS show respect for the sport!!!!
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#72 \| 113 days ago jvuk1 (+)	djekg13 wrote: Greatest team ever? In what sport? Like I've already stated... the greatest NHL dynasty is Montreal... 26 cup wins all together. Giving credit where it's due... Detroit has had a great run over the last 2 1/2 decades, but the same could be said of New Jersey and Colorado... so this whole "the greatest team ever" is the problem I'm talking about with Detroit fans. Be a fan, support your team, even argue your points (as long as you have the correct information)... but ALWAYS show respect for the sport!!!! they are certainly one of the greatest ever to be so good for 2 decades in a 30 league team is amazing Montreal achieved most of their success in a 6 team league even in the seventies with Bowman it was only a 16 team league, it's much easier when you have less competition
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#73 \| 113 days ago jvuk1 (+)	This was actually written before the penguins won the cup. http://thehockeynews.com/articles/26717-Screen-Shots-Take-Bettman-out-of-Cup-presentation.html
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#74 \| 113 days ago djekg13 (+)	jvuk1 wrote: they are certainly one of the greatest ever to be so good for 2 decades in a 30 league team is amazing Montreal achieved most of their success in a 6 team league even in the seventies with Bowman it was only a 16 team league, it's much easier when you have less competition OK... you kind of got me there... however, this entire thing was aimed at the "rabid" fans of the Wings. Just because I HATE the Wings, that in no way means that I don't respect the team and what they've done... I've just always hated them. All I was trying to point out was that I was under the impression that the fans were booing the Pens win, not the fact that they were booing Bettman... and I have admitted to being schooled on that issue. I love, respect, play, and coach the game of hockey... it's like no other sport on the planet... except for maybe lacrosse (hockey for guy's who can't skate), and I understand rivalry... Which in reality, I was only trying to add fuel to the fire brewing between Wings and Pens fans with this poll... I also checked out the link you left... What a great idea for passing the cup!!! I doubt Bettman would ever go for it, so maybe we should petition the league...?
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#75 \| 113 days ago jvuk1 (+)	(Edited by jvuk1) They booed him at the NHL draft as well when he got on the podium to announce the commencement of the draft. Did you know that by Bettman's 5th (97-98) season as commissioner there were 2459 fewer goals scored than in his first full season(92-93) and players scored more than 6000 fewer points?
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#76 \| 112 days ago kramer (+)	This is 2009 in case you forgot, pal. Your Wings choked it away this year, that SI cover is obsolete. All of the above
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#77 \| 111 days ago jvuk1 (+)	kramer wrote: This is 2009 in case you forgot, pal. Your Wings choked it away this year, that SI cover is obsolete. The Red Wings have had the most wins, the most points, the most goals scored, the biggest differential in goals scored to goals allowed in the regular season in the nineties. They have had the most wins, the most goals scored, and tied for the most Stanley Cups in the playoffs in the nineties. They have had the most wins, the most points, the most golas scored and the fewest goals allowed in the regular season so far in the new millennium. They have the most wins, the most goals and are tied for the most Stanley Cups in the playoffs so far this millennium. i an proud of them for coming within one game of a repeat and had Hossa not been injured and managed to score at least a goal in the series we would probably be going for a 3-peat this year but injuries are part of the game and Pittsburgh battled hard. Congratulations to Pittsburgh. I am a Wings fan and i have nothing against the Pens i like watching them play. Super Mario was better than Gretzky. I watched Crosby a lot in jr. and knew that he was destined for greatness. I was most impressed with him his rookie season playing Philadelphia he was beating Hatcher in the battles on the boards and in front of the net, frustrating Hatcher to the point that he viciously swung (the refs missed it and Hatcher didn't even get a penalty I am not sure about a suspension but if it were up to me it would have been at least a season, which I am sure it was not) his stick at Crosby's face knocking out a bunch of teeth. Crosby came back from getting stitched up and scored 2 goals in a come from behind 2-1 victory. I was more impressed with how the kid was beating the big grissley veteran in the battles along the boards and in front of the net rather than him scoring the goals to win the game I always knew he was very capable of putting it in the net. I think it is unfortunate how it seemed the refs put their whistles away for the series. Pittsburg won the series scoring only 14 goals in 7 games and 2 of those were into an empty net. It was a shame with all talent on the ice that they all seemed more concerned with stoppingthe talent than showcasing it.
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#78 \| 111 days ago jvuk1 (+)	kramer wrote: This is 2009 in case you forgot, pal. Your Wings choked it away this year, that SI cover is obsolete. The Red Wings have had the most wins, the most points, the most goals scored, the biggest differential in goals scored to goals allowed in the regular season in the nineties. They have had the most wins, the most goals scored, and tied for the most Stanley Cups in the playoffs in the nineties. They have had the most wins, the most points, the most golas scored and the fewest goals allowed in the regular season so far in the new millennium. They have the most wins, the most goals and are tied for the most Stanley Cups in the playoffs so far this millennium. i an proud of them for coming within one game of a repeat and had Hossa not been injured and managed to score at least a goal in the series we would probably be going for a 3-peat this year but injuries are part of the game and Pittsburgh battled hard. Congratulations to Pittsburgh. I am a Wings fan and i have nothing against the Pens i like watching them play. Super Mario was better than Gretzky. I watched Crosby a lot in jr. and knew that he was destined for greatness. I was most impressed with him his rookie season playing Philadelphia he was beating Hatcher in the battles on the boards and in front of the net, frustrating Hatcher to the point that he viciously swung (the refs missed it and Hatcher didn't even get a penalty I am not sure about a suspension but if it were up to me it would have been at least a season, which I am sure it was not) his stick at Crosby's face knocking out a bunch of teeth. Crosby came back from getting stitched up and scored 2 goals in a come from behind 2-1 victory. I was more impressed with how the kid was beating the big grissley veteran in the battles along the boards and in front of the net rather than him scoring the goals to win the game I always knew he was very capable of putting it in the net. I think it is unfortunate how it seemed the refs put their whistles away for the series. Pittsburg won the series scoring only 14 goals in 7 games and 2 of those were into an empty net. It was a shame with all talent on the ice that they all seemed more concerned with stoppingthe talent than showcasing it.
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#79 \| 111 days ago djekg13 (+)	Yet here you are putting up all your pretty little Red Wing posters, and doing exactly what I'm accusing Wings fans of being... YES... I'm a Pens fan, and I HATE the Wings... but don't worry... I hate the Flyers even more!!! As well as several other teams throughout the NHL... but you can't have a one sided rivalry! With the love of one comes the hate of another. Wings fans just make it so easy to hate them by their actions and attitudes that I don't even have to try... However, please understand something... I respect the team itself, and their accomplishments, and I'm not trying to take anything away from them!!! But having Wings fans shove it down everyone's throat is kind of like listening to "Afternoon Delight" everyday, 8 hours a day, for the last 11 years... Yes, you are a fan of a great team, anyone who watches the NHL already knows that, we just don't need the constant harassment!!!
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#80 \| 102 days ago Lerioc (+)	djekg13 wrote: OK... you are correct about this poll leaning to my side... for the most part, I have no problem with the boo'ing of Bettman. I did however notice more boo'ing when certain Pens players held up the cup... so be it... whatever... The truth is, even if the Pens didn't make it to the cup games... I would still cheer against the red wings!!! NEVER LIKED THEM... NEVER WILL!!! You are using Red Wings fans opinions as jaded and "Red Colored" but you are the exact opposite. You have your anit-red glasses on. If you are a coach I fear the teams that you coach. If you are a ref, then that league should be shut down. Look in a rulebook once in a while and you will see that if a player gets called for "instagating" within the last two minutes of a game, that player will be suspended for the following game. Did that NOT happen in this series? Pittsburgh showed their complete lack of clas and composure throughout this series and took a LOT of cheap shots that didn't get called. The commissioner wanted Sydney to get a title, and he did. Kind of funny that all year the NHL promos were of Crosby and the Pens. Made you think THEY were the defending champions. Even the telecast was all Pens. It happens, I am over it, but a dynasty this isn't. Enjoy your one cup......
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#81 \| 100 days ago djekg13 (+)	Lerioc wrote: You are using Red Wings fans opinions as jaded and "Red Colored" but you are the exact opposite. You have your anit-red glasses on. If you are a coach I fear the teams that you coach. If you are a ref, then that league should be shut down. Look in a rulebook once in a while and you will see that if a player gets called for "instagating" within the last two minutes of a game, that player will be suspended for the following game. Did that NOT happen in this series? Pittsburgh showed their complete lack of clas and composure throughout this series and took a LOT of cheap shots that didn't get called. The commissioner wanted Sydney to get a title, and he did. Kind of funny that all year the NHL promos were of Crosby and the Pens. Made you think THEY were the defending champions. Even the telecast was all Pens. It happens, I am over it, but a dynasty this isn't. Enjoy your one cup...... I don't wear anti red glasses... I wear anti red wings fans armor! As for the NHL promo's being all about the Pens and Crosby... when was the last time you turned on ESPN during the hockey season? Nothing but wings this and wings that... Maybe you should pay more attention to what is actually broadcasted as compared to what you wanna see! As for the Pens lack of class and composure... the only player I saw lose it was Malkin. In the last 3 games of the series he acted like a complete J*A, I won't make any excuses for that other than nobody is perfect, including all the "hacks" on your beloved team! As for you "fearing for the teams I coach"... that's a cheap shot! I coach my kids (10-15 y.o.) how to love the game and all it's aspects... fair play, hard work, team togetherness, and above all... RESPECT!!! For both themselves, and their opponents!!! I DO NOT COACH THEM ON MY OPINIONS!!! Over the last 13 years that I have coached, I have won 7 championships, as well as 5 coach of the year awards, 4 fair play honors, and 11 role model certificates... all voted on by the league, and the players parents! By the way... my team colors are RED, white and gold! As for ref'ing any games... NEVER! It's a totally thankless job that has no fans of how any game is called, as well as no apreciation as to how hard that job really is! I do have several friends who ref, so I do respect the job they do, even tho I have no love for them while coaching, playing, or watching the NHL... In closing... Thank you. Thank you for perpetuating the cry baby, overly insulting, completely arrogant behavior I expect from most (not all) red wings fans... and no worries here... your "dynasty" will soon end. However, I'm sure that even when it does you will continue to act this way... enjoy it while you can!

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31	Jahiegel 08/14/2009 07:16PM		Wings fans are disrespectful...
30	Daniel_and_Becca 08/05/2009 10:50PM		All of the above
29	greatone519 07/28/2009 08:40PM		Wings fans are cry babies...
28	shadow0044 07/22/2009 05:29PM		All of the above
27	jjhill88 07/22/2009 03:31PM		All of the above
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21	countrygirl2524 07/12/2009 10:04AM		All of the above
20	qtowndogg 07/07/2009 11:38PM		Wings fans are sore losers...
19	ddsmitty 07/05/2009 12:40PM		Wings fans are cry babies...
18	totall1965 06/27/2009 11:29AM		All of the above
17	amdew2 06/25/2009 11:10AM		Wings fans are cry babies...
16	xo_roybaby09_ox 06/25/2009 09:18AM		All of the above
15	dwb1422 06/23/2009 11:54AM		All of the above
14	hooper3122 06/22/2009 09:54PM		All of the above
13	Yinzer 06/22/2009 08:18PM		All of the above
12	ishpreetmegh 06/22/2009 12:08PM		All of the above
11	gameequals 06/18/2009 12:19PM		All of the above
10	Steelersfn 06/18/2009 08:21AM		All of the above
9	kteacher 06/17/2009 11:48PM		All of the above
8	hartley51592 06/17/2009 10:19PM		Wings fans are cry babies...
7	weldwater 06/17/2009 07:44PM		Wings fans are sore losers...
6	Just_Smile 06/17/2009 07:08PM		All of the above
5	chetld 06/17/2009 06:58PM		All of the above
4	BaseballTriple8 06/17/2009 06:33PM		All of the above
3	kramer 06/17/2009 06:15PM		All of the above
2	bobjrinaz 06/17/2009 05:31PM		All of the above
1	danny_n94 06/17/2009 04:22PM		All of the above