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Who is better? Roethlisberger or Brees? Who will do better this season?
Who is a better QB, Big Ben Roethlisberger of Steelers or Brees of Saints? Who will help there team to "out score" he other?  
| Closed on 01/10/10 at 12:00PM
FanIQ Pts? No | NFL, Pittsburgh Steelers, New Orleans Saints | Multiple Choice Opinion Poll
Teams:  Drew Brees
Players:  Ben Roethlisberger
Team Breakout:
329 Fans 
 1. Who is a better QB, Roethlisberger or Brees? (0 points)
34%a. Ben Roethlisberger
56%b. Drew Brees
1%c. I don't know
9%d. They're both good
 2. What team will score more points this season, Steelers or Saints? (0 points)
25%a. Steelers
71%b. Saints
4%c. I don't know
 3. Who did you want to win Superbowl 43? Who played better? (0 points)
58%a. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.
3%b. The Steelers aren't better but I'm glad they won.
19%c. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.
20%d. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.

 &nbp;
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#1 | 245 days ago

  Steelers had an embarassing 3rd quarter and the Cardinals were massacred with penalties but it all comes down to the better team...
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#1 | 245 days ago

  Steelers had an embarassing 3rd quarter and the Cardinals were massacred with penalties but it all comes down to the better team...
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#2 | 245 days ago

 ben sucks wide and defence saved them
1. Drew Brees  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#3 | 245 days ago

 The 2008 NFL season was an awfully weird one. Favre a Jet, Tennessee the last unbeaten and losing in the divisional round of the playoffs, but especially the Cardinals going to the Super Bowl. Weird as it gets, but always interesting. I was cheering for Larry Fitzgerald to destroy the Steelers.
As for who's a better QB between Brees & Roethlisberger, I chose Big Ben only because he can turn busted plays into TD's, whereas Brees is simply great at finding open targets.
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   
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#6 | 243 days ago

 That is partically true, but I have to dissagree! I like Big Ben better. Thx for the comment!
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#7 | 243 days ago

Points, yards, and completion percentage don't mean everything when comparing quarterbacks in todays NFL.  Brees is a great passer and uses his versitile weapons very well.  Brees puts up the high powered fantasy stats but doesn't do so well in the win column.  Ben is still the better quarterback in my mind.  All Ben needs is one final chance to drive the ball down the length of the field.  If the Steelers are within a touchdown at the end of the game their chances are as good as anyones.  The Steelers will never be a run-and-gun team like the Saints but they are rarely out of games in the 4th quarter.  Ben is great at extending the game so that he will have the final opportunity.

1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#8 | 243 days ago

 Brees will and always have the stats to be better but Roethlisberger in my opinion is a way better leader that is tough and capable to get the job done.
1. They're both good  2. I don't know  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   
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#11 | 242 days ago

 SaintDrew wrote:
Are you kidding with these random questions? Over the last 3 seasons, the Saints have pretty much led the NFL in total yards per game, passing yards per game, and points scored per game. The Steelers are not a high scoring team at all, they are a tough, physical running team who wins games 17-14. Look up the stats but Roethlisberger rarely gets over 250 yards per game passing. Sure his Super Bowls are great, but he's not the QB that Drew Brees is. If the Saints had a defense like the Steelers they would have won Super Bowls too.
Yes, that is true but The poll was baste on the SUPER BOWL. I understand that you LOVE the Saints, I have a friend who lives there and so I am a fan too.
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#13 | 238 days ago

 steelerman88 wrote:
ben sucks wide and defence saved them
uhhhhh
*disagree*
1. They're both good  2. Steelers   3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   
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#14 | 236 days ago

 the steelers play in the toughest defensive division in football. the saints will dominate every statistic the steelers post on offense
1. They're both good  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   
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#17 | 225 days ago

 I think you left out "None of the above" as options for us which is what I choose.
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#18 | 225 days ago

 As far as the poll goes i said they were both good which is true. Different would be a better term. Would Drew Brees been as good last year with Ben's Offensive line? Would Brees be better with Pittsburgh's defense? It still takes a good quaterback to win a championship let alone two. I think both teams should be very happy with their QB situation. There are a lot of teams out there that would take either of these two in a heartbeat if they could.
1. They're both good  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#19 | 215 days ago

 Brees > Ben...any friggin day
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   
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#20 | 211 days ago

  Brees is probably the better pure QB, but Ben is a winner. The great Steelers defence makes a big difference, but Ben still delivers the W when he needs to do it. Who was the better team in SB XLIII--the team that won...that's how it goes. Anything else is just sour grapes.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#21 | 209 days ago

 Is this a serious question? Brees, all day
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#22 | 209 days ago

 (Edited by Pels04)

What the EF
 

1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#23 | 201 days ago

  Thats cool that you like Big Ben but I would take Drew Brees any day. As for the Cardinals they played well enough to regain the lead after the interception but then gave up on defense. Now as for the last Steelers TD it should have been looked over alot better and longer one big toe doesn't count as a TD only in college.  
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  
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#24 | 181 days ago
PoppyMack (+)

You can't be serious! Ben has two Superbowl rings, Brees has none. It's a no brainer! Superbowl wins are what every NFL player plays for. 
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#27 | 181 days ago

 how many rings dose Drew Brees have
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#28 | 181 days ago

 PoppyMack wrote:
You can't be serious! Ben has two Superbowl rings, Brees has none. It's a no brainer! Superbowl wins are what every NFL player plays for. 
roethlisberger on my fan football team
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#29 | 181 days ago

 snakeeye1us wrote:
What rock do you live under? Or still got that bag on your head? aints
an how many superbowls an rookie of the yr has he won?
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#30 | 181 days ago

 You put the same players around each QB and who does better?  Gee I wonder.  Brees by a mile.  He has little running game and still puts up amazing numbers.  Plus he had receivers hurts last year too.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   
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#31 | 181 days ago

 You put the same players around each QB and who does better?  Gee I wonder.  Brees by a mile.  He has little running game and still puts up amazing numbers.  Plus he had receivers hurts last year too.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   

#32 | 181 days ago

 I just can't help but think what could have been if Brees was still in San Diego, Philip Rivers is a good QB but I don't think that there is much argument the Drew is a better QB.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  
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#33 | 175 days ago

 I'll take BIG BEN any day of the week!  QB's with pretty stats and no rings don't impress me!  I'll take the QB who can be reckless at times and then lead his team down the field for a legendary SUPER BOWL game winning drive!  Last time I checked, thats the most important stat!
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#34 | 174 days ago

 Big B en is the best hes on my fan football team
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#35 | 174 days ago

 Brees is better.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#37 | 168 days ago
mooser58 (+)

Two totally different QB's in two totally different systems.
1. They're both good  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#38 | 164 days ago
Wordsmith (+)

Big Ben is clearly a QB who belongs in the discussion for the Best QB's. But Brees is the better fantasy QB.
1. They're both good  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#39 | 163 days ago

 Definitely Ben, he's got the line to back him. Brees is lacking in that department. I like the Saints, don't get me wrong, but they just don't have it like the Steelers.  Should be an interesting season.
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#40 | 163 days ago
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Shiloh884 wrote:
Definitely Ben, he's got the line to back him. Brees is lacking in that department. I like the Saints, don't get me wrong, but they just don't have it like the Steelers.  Should be an interesting season.
Brees will kick Ben's a## everytime
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  
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#41 | 163 days ago

 whiteeagle8868 wrote:
Brees will kick Ben's a## everytime
Yea yea, right! LOL
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#42 | 163 days ago

 Brees is an awsome passer, but the QB position is more than that. How many games has Drew won with his legs? now how many has Ben won? Winner Ben! Pressure Drew and you can shut down the Saints, Pressure Ben and he'll dump and dink Ward down the field.
 Lastly Ben has 2 rings, Drew has his Graduation ring from Purdue, winner Ben!
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#43 | 163 days ago

 They R both Great QB's. But they can only be as good as their whole team. To know who the  best is? Is to know which one of these QB's will get U the points when they R behind in the 4th quarter.And who can get the rest of the team behind them in that situation.I am a pitt. fan.I'm just wondering why Payton Manning isn't mentioned or is he just that much better than these two. Manning is one in a few that can beat a team by himself. 
1. They're both good  2. I don't know  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#44 | 162 days ago

 rings speak for themselves
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#45 | 161 days ago

 Go ahead lame Steelers fans and keep PQ'ing my comments. Breesus and the Saints are 4-0.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  
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#46 | 160 days ago

 were the hell is reggie been. one to many pushup with that fine girl on his back.
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#47 | 159 days ago
whiteeagle8868 (+)

Shiloh884 wrote:
Yea yea, right! LOL
thanks you are so right in agreeing with us lols
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  
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#48 | 150 days ago

  Brees is a machine. Now that he has a good defense and a trio of good running backs, he doesn't have to do it all with his arm. But today he showed that he can still throw deadly accurate passage into tight coverage. Direct comparisons are tough, but Brees has made the Saints a contender more than anyone on that team. The whole team loves him and have rallied around him to play above their abilities. That is the true test of a great quarterback: he makes everyone around him better.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   
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#49 | 149 days ago

 Is anyone really trying to compare Fn Worthlessburger and Drew Brees????????   LMAO
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  

#50 | 149 days ago

 (Edited by RichyMcWiggleSr)
Ben's first ring was given to him for two reasons, and two reasons alone:

1.  His defense knocked out who would've been the Superbowl MVP in the beginning of the Fn playoffs
2.  Rex Grossman showed up to play for the wrong Fn team oops mixed up years ..... , because Fn Homo can't hold!
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  

#51 | 148 days ago

 RichyMcWiggleSr wrote:
Is anyone really trying to compare Fn Worthlessburger and Drew Brees????????   LMAO
It's obvious you don't know sh** about football!  The QB you call worthless,  has 2 RINGS!  Your boy BREES,  hasn't even led his team to a SUPER BOWL berth!  AND NEVER WILL!  You can quote me on that!
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#52 | 142 days ago

 Jason2424 wrote:
It's obvious you don't know sh** about football!  The QB you call worthless,  has 2 RINGS!  Your boy BREES,  hasn't even led his team to a SUPER BOWL berth!  AND NEVER WILL!  You can quote me on that!
OBVIOUSLY U DNT KNOW NUN BOUT FOOTBALL BCUZ LAST TIME I CHECKED THE QUESTION WAS WHO IS BETTA NOT WHO HAS MO RINGS BREES IS BETTA AND PUTS UP WAY BETTA NUMBERS AND HES NOT EBEN AS BIG AS BEN..HOWEVER  NO BEN IS NOT GARBAGE SO ANYWAY THINK B4 U TYPE!!!!
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  
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#53 | 140 days ago

 Jason2424 wrote:
It's obvious you don't know sh** about football!  The QB you call worthless,  has 2 RINGS!  Your boy BREES,  hasn't even led his team to a SUPER BOWL berth!  AND NEVER WILL!  You can quote me on that!
LOL

Ok man.  You should work for ESPN or something.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  

#54 | 138 days ago

 Breesus and the Saints are now 6-0. Steelers lost to the Bengals. Rings speak for themselves...um no they don't. It's a 53 man roster. Put Roethlisberger on the Rams and he would be a loser.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  
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#55 | 138 days ago

 just let the play off do the talkin
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#56 | 137 days ago

 I would say the answers to this poll are DUUUUUUH at this point... statistics don't lie. Drew all the way.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   

#57 | 137 days ago

 he is killin yhem this year in fan fooyball
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#58 | 136 days ago

Brees could'nt tie bens shoes hes won nothing done nothing an will put the bags back on the aints heads to hide their ugly mugs.An never will do anything.

1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#59 | 132 days ago

 lilal551 wrote:
OBVIOUSLY U DNT KNOW NUN BOUT FOOTBALL BCUZ LAST TIME I CHECKED THE QUESTION WAS WHO IS BETTA NOT WHO HAS MO RINGS BREES IS BETTA AND PUTS UP WAY BETTA NUMBERS AND HES NOT EBEN AS BIG AS BEN..HOWEVER  NO BEN IS NOT GARBAGE SO ANYWAY THINK B4 U TYPE!!!!
LMAO!!!!  Let me guess, your one of those people who firmly believes MARINO is the greatest QB of ALL-TIME!  Because in your magical fantasy world, stats are everything and rings are meaningless!  Clearly you have no idea what the ULTIMATE GOAL in sports really is!  The ring means everything!   (Ask MARINO)  Again, without a ring, your boy BREES will just be another MARINO!  A QB with super-sexy stats and no rings!  It's okay dude,  I usually have these debates with idiots who defend QB's without any!  But look on the bright side, if you have BREES on your fantasy team,  you should win your league!  LOL!  Bring home that league championship for your boy BREES!  LMAO!!!!!!
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#60 | 132 days ago

 Drew Brees will have higher fantasy numbers.

But Big Ben will go farther in the playoffs. Brees will lose again before reaching the Super Bowl.
1. Drew Brees  2. I don't know  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#61 | 129 days ago

 RichyMcWiggleSr wrote:
Is anyone really trying to compare Fn Worthlessburger and Drew Brees????????   LMAO
That is a little bit too harsh words.   Ben Roethlisberger will go further than Drew Brees by far.....any day!  throw more yards put together! 
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#62 | 129 days ago

 tundra_breeze wrote:
That is a little bit too harsh words.   Ben Roethlisberger will go further than Drew Brees by far.....any day!  throw more yards put together! 
Brees of Course!!!

#63 | 128 days ago

 ybadgaf wrote:
Brees of Course!!!
If you say the day is night, I will agree with you 100%.   Brees it is!
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Steelers   3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#64 | 128 days ago

 Jason2424 wrote:
LMAO!!!!  Let me guess, your one of those people who firmly believes MARINO is the greatest QB of ALL-TIME!  Because in your magical fantasy world, stats are everything and rings are meaningless!  Clearly you have no idea what the ULTIMATE GOAL in sports really is!  The ring means everything!   (Ask MARINO)  Again, without a ring, your boy BREES will just be another MARINO!  A QB with super-sexy stats and no rings!  It's okay dude,  I usually have these debates with idiots who defend QB's without any!  But look on the bright side, if you have BREES on your fantasy team,  you should win your league!  LOL!  Bring home that league championship for your boy BREES!  LMAO!!!!!!
Wait so it's not a team game? Brees has never had a defense before this year, when has Ben not had a good defense. I'm not saying Super Bowl Rings aren't important to but then you could say Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino just because he won a Super Bowl. I think it's funny how everyone sais Defense wins football but then will be so quick to put the teams performance on just the Quarterback.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   

#65 | 127 days ago

 whiteeagle8868 wrote:
thanks you are so right in agreeing with us lols
Hey, who are these two Gays? And what the hell are they doing posing gay on this site?
1. Drew Brees  2. Drew Brees  3. Saints  

#66 | 127 days ago

 torie wrote:

Points, yards, and completion percentage don't mean everything when comparing quarterbacks in todays NFL.  Brees is a great passer and uses his versitile weapons very well.  Brees puts up the high powered fantasy stats but doesn't do so well in the win column.  Ben is still the better quarterback in my mind.  All Ben needs is one final chance to drive the ball down the length of the field.  If the Steelers are within a touchdown at the end of the game their chances are as good as anyones.  The Steelers will never be a run-and-gun team like the Saints but they are rarely out of games in the 4th quarter.  Ben is great at extending the game so that he will have the final opportunity.

are you crazy? What do you mean, Brees dont know how to win?Who do you think has led the Saints to their PERFECT 8-O RECORD? SANTA CLAUS?
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   

#67 | 127 days ago

 Its only a matter of time til Cowhers team is gone and Tomlin is fired.
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#68 | 126 days ago

 Sounds like the opinion of a pompous and uneducated ass. Alot of jealousy too.

Tomlin is an incredible human being and a fantastic coach. Oh yeah, the YOUNGEST coach to ever win a Super Bowl. And Lamar Woodley and James Harrison are not Cowher guys. Cowher cut Harrison. Tomlin's guys are Rashard Mendenhall, Mike Wallace, and almost the ENTIRE offensive line. Also, William Gay the CB, and Timmons the LB.  How does that old saying go - better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think your profile pic shows a fool, then start posting comments and confirm it.
1. Drew Brees  2. I don't know  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#69 | 126 days ago

 drew who?  ben should have a 4000 yard season easy
1. Ben Roethlisberger  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#70 | 122 days ago

 Why is this poll still up???
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers aren't better but I'm glad they won.  

#71 | 122 days ago

 scottchappell wrote:
Why is this poll still up???
Closes 55 days
1. They're both good  2. I don't know  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#72 | 121 days ago

 blondie45044 wrote:
Closes 55 days
I'm just saying it is an obvious answer
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers aren't better but I'm glad they won.  

#73 | 107 days ago

 Big Ben needs to be the answer as much as he needs another concussion! WHAT? OH!
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals were better and they should have one.  

#74 | 85 days ago

 By far onr of the better super bowls I've seen<
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Cardinals aren't better but they should have one.   

#75 | 85 days ago

 Quite interesting how events have turned. Roethlisberger throws for tons of yards every week, but his defense allows the other team to win at the end. Hmmm, seems like Steeler fans are getting a taste of what Drew Brees has had to deal with his entire career until this year.

#76 | 77 days ago
itsrhondasworld (+)

PoppyMack wrote:
You can't be serious! Ben has two Superbowl rings, Brees has none. It's a no brainer! Superbowl wins are what every NFL player plays for. 
Drew Brees not having a Super Bowl Ring DOES NOT MAKE HIM LESS of a quarter back than ANYONE....Its not all about a ring.  He is not the only team player.  The question was WHO WAS THE BETTER QUARTERBACK..I don't think a quarterback is made of a ring and certianly KNOW it takes the WHOLE team to win one NOT just the quarterback..RE READ the question. 
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  

#77 | 77 days ago

 itsrhondasworld wrote:
Drew Brees not having a Super Bowl Ring DOES NOT MAKE HIM LESS of a quarter back than ANYONE....Its not all about a ring.  He is not the only team player.  The question was WHO WAS THE BETTER QUARTERBACK..I don't think a quarterback is made of a ring and certianly KNOW it takes the WHOLE team to win one NOT just the quarterback..RE READ the question. 
Great question. RIght now I would say Brees because he makes less mistakes then Ben. BR has been known to turn the ball over at the very "worse" times. Ben may have a stronger arm and be a tougher guy but that does not make him a better quarterback "this" year"
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#78 | 77 days ago
itsrhondasworld (+)

itsrhondasworld wrote:
Drew Brees not having a Super Bowl Ring DOES NOT MAKE HIM LESS of a quarter back than ANYONE....Its not all about a ring.  He is not the only team player.  The question was WHO WAS THE BETTER QUARTERBACK..I don't think a quarterback is made of a ring and certianly KNOW it takes the WHOLE team to win one NOT just the quarterback..RE READ the question. 
Thanks Twostates....Great point there..BREES #1...GEAUX SAINTS
1. Drew Brees  2. Saints  3. The Steelers were better and I'm glad they won.  


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21 opinions | 6 comments | Last by BDV4U
Greatest QB in Saints History
Asked by DGarcia879 | NFL, NO | 1 questions asked 01/25/10
36 opinions | 14 comments | Last by richard_cranium


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