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Take off your skirts! (Edited 10/05/09 11:04AM by )
During the half-time show during the Steelers v. Chargers game, the discussion arose as to the controversial 'roughing the passer' play called for Tom Brady after he was barely touched.

Ex-Patriot Rodney Harrison, when referring to the call, added: "Take off the skirt, and put on a pair of slacks"

Now, in all fairness, the ref made the call--NOT Tom Brady.  However, it does again raise the question as to the annual additions of rules to "protect" quarterbacks.

Question: What do you think about the annual additions to the rules that protect quarterbacks?
Featured by: Pat at 10/05/09 9:51AM
| Closed on 11/04/09 at 05:00PM
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26%a. With all the rules, it's not football!
51%b. Penalize only for viscious hits where the purpose is to injure.
9%c. Penalize only if they hit the face or legs.
3%d. Quarterbacks are the life-blood of the NFL. If they're touched, PENALTY!!!
11%e. Other

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#2 | 50 days ago

 Polamalu said it best when he said football "just loses so much of its essence when it becomes like a pansy game".
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#1 | 50 days ago

 Pittsburgh has been called for offensive pass interference for blocking a defensive player before the ball gets to the receiver. Once, the ball wasn't even in the vicinity of the receiver, yet offensive pass interference was called. Apparently this is to give the defense a chance to have a play at the ball... so when did we start giving the other team chances?
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#2 | 50 days ago

 Polamalu said it best when he said football "just loses so much of its essence when it becomes like a pansy game".
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#3 | 50 days ago

 LJHeath73 wrote:
Pittsburgh has been called for offensive pass interference for blocking a defensive player before the ball gets to the receiver. Once, the ball wasn't even in the vicinity of the receiver, yet offensive pass interference was called. Apparently this is to give the defense a chance to have a play at the ball... so when did we start giving the other team chances?
Sorry... I realize this poll was about protecting the quarterback... But some of the other rules are just as annoying!

It's one thing to call a penalty on a dirty play, but it's another to penalize a clean hit, even if it IS a hard hit... 

It's FOOTBALL! Expect to GET HURT!!! 
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#4 | 50 days ago

 This is the only time I can remember  seeing a QB actually roughed.
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#5 | 50 days ago

 a tuck rule in a snowball fight and a dynasty is born
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#6 | 50 days ago

 So many of the hits are made with the intent to injure - they have to stop.
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#7 | 50 days ago

 (Edited by NorseHeathen)
LJ,.....no worries about expanding the discussion.  The fact is that a lot of the "protection rules" have been extended to receivers as well in the past few years.  Football is a rough sport, so injuries will occur.   However, when certain calls can turn the tide of a game, then the perceptions of the referee can too often shape the game at crucial times.
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#8 | 50 days ago

 misanthrope wrote:
This is the only time I can remember  seeing a QB actually roughed.
 Joe Theisman Disagrees...
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#9 | 50 days ago

 Although I do not agree with the call that was made in Sunday's game; the rule does have merit. As a long time NFL fan I can remember some of the worst hits of the past; and with all certainty I can say that, in my honest opinion there were more than a few that were intentionally done to injure or mame a competitor. So with that perception in mind, I asy that the spirit of that rule is honorable. Yes, I understand that football is a rough sport; and I applaud all of those who play hard and hit big within the confines of the spirit of the game. But at the same time, no player should play the game with the intent of taking away another man's livelyhood. The biggest problem with the enforcement of almost any rule in the NFL is the fact that, often time it is a subjective judgement call as to weather a foul is malicious in intent or not, or even if a foul was committed; this makes devising a standard for these calls nearly impossible.
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#10 | 50 days ago

 If you don't want to play ball get off the field. If you don't want to possibly donate blood, then, play golf. It's a  "CONTACT SPORT"  not  "tiddly winks".
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#11 | 50 days ago

 (Edited by ClippaChick)
With all of the new rule changes, football has lost its true essence of being a beautifully violent game. The athletes know what they've signed up for since their days in pop warner. Football is the quintessential man's sport with all of the brutality that comes with it. Now if you aren't a man, then don't play.
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#12 | 50 days ago

 Someone help me out here.....there was a game in the early 80's (if memory serves correct) where a defensive player got a hold of the quarterback, spun him around about 8 times, then slammed him down to the ground.  I remember watching it vividly, but can not remember the players involved.  Anyone remember this play?
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#13 | 50 days ago

 Rodney Harrison was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in his assessment of the call(s) ... there were 2 of them.. against the Ravens Sunday. Both were a complete joke and both eventually led to TD's by the Patriots. Neither flag was warranted. There was barely contact at all little lone contact that would or could have resulted in injury. There was ample time for the ref to reavaluate his thoughts and pick up the flags but instead he let the crowd and the Brady persona win out and went ahead and assessed the penalties. I personally saw 2 games this week directly effected by the officials WITHOUT just cause. As i mentioned previously, the 2 Roughing calls against Baltimore definately effected the outcome of the game enabling New England to continue their drives with improved field possession and a new set of downs and both penalties preempted New England TD's (14 pts that most likely would not have occurred without the HELP from the zebra. There was also a call at the end of the Georgia / LSU game that was completely insane and ruined an otherwise terrific ballgame. Georgis scored to take the lead late in the 4th qtr and the wide receiver was called for Unsportsmanlike Conduct..... for being swamped by his teammates...... I mean C'mon. Georgia was assessed a 15 yd penalty on the kickoff which meant that LSU was virtually in FG range after the return. The flag NEVER should have been thrown. The refs actually made the same call after LSU scored seconds later when the LSU running Back raised his hands to signal #1 when scoring his TD. 2 Flags that NEVER should have been thrown and we will never know what would have happened if the officials would have let the players decide the outcome and not flag "unwarranted" offenses at critical times on the game.
Noone said officiating is easy, but the refs ALWAYS have the ability to huddle up and rethink the penalty prior to assessing them in order to GET IT RIGHT. Seldom do they pick up the flag and admit they were wrong and overreacted. The good ones will..... but many let the crowds or their egos get in the way and thus.... discussions like this ensue and unfortunate results to outstanding ballgames result as well.   My sympathies go out to Baltimore and Georgia. You did not deserve the fate you were handed by poor officiating.
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#14 | 50 days ago
PoppyMack (+)

I understand that the NFL is trying to cut down on the injuries to players ,but this is football and it's a rough sport.When I was young, we played tackle without pads, our neighborhood against other neighborhoods, people got hurt but I just loved the physicality of the game. Punish those who play dirty football, but let the other guys play!
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#15 | 50 days ago

 (Edited by elevenbravo138again)
NorseHeathen wrote:
Someone help me out here.....there was a game in the early 80's (if memory serves correct) where a defensive player got a hold of the quarterback, spun him around about 8 times, then slammed him down to the ground.  I remember watching it vividly, but can not remember the players involved.  Anyone remember this play?
Yes it was the Bounty Game Charles Martin, who openly talked about having a bounty on McMahon and other players on the Bears put the hit on the 'punky QB' that separated his shoulder and exhibit #1 was the list on the towel in his pants; possibly the only towel ever to be mentioned in an NFL player's obituary!  Se the hitlist
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#16 | 50 days ago

 As long as no one hits Brady... WTF...

Reverse Angle Replay by raglind.... man, I miss this stuff...
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#17 | 50 days ago

 misanthrope wrote:
This is the only time I can remember  seeing a QB actually roughed.
Theisman....
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#18 | 50 days ago

 Football is a contact sport.  You don't want to get hurt, don't play.  BUT, if you play to intentionally maime another person for life, get the h**l out of the game.  There are advantages to be a sportsman, act like one.  I love a great game where the players give it their all, bash each other senseless at times (unintentionally), it's just part of the game. I've watched defenders gang up on offensive players but not injure them for life (it just may seem so at the time).  Any good football player will have a backup plan if an injury keeps them from playing football.  I guarantee they will all have aches and pains that they will pay for when they get older no matter what.  I've hurt myself more just walking around and wretching my ankle in a hole I didn't see than some of the players get on the field.  Let them play ball!!!!!
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#19 | 50 days ago

 elevenbravo138again wrote:
Yes it was the Bounty Game Charles Martin, who openly talked about having a bounty on McMahon and other players on the Bears put the hit on the 'punky QB' that separated his shoulder and exhibit #1 was the list on the towel in his pants; possibly the only towel ever to be mentioned in an NFL player's obituary!  Se the hitlist
Very cool....thanks for the confirmation.  I knew my memory wasn't that far gone.....LOL!

The Sack was vicious!  I tried to find a video of it to share in the thread but was unable to locate one.
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#20 | 50 days ago

 No player on defense should be allowed to hit any player in the head, or on the knees., period.
I realize that football is a contact sport, but hitting a player in the head is inexcusable. These athletes in the NFL are all capable of playing by the rules, and should know them. No excuses.
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#21 | 50 days ago

 "Roughing the Passer"? I didn't know there was such a rule in the NFL...but then, I'm an Eagles fan, and the rule doesn't seem to apply to our QB, Donovan McNabb, who can be speared in the back, while he's laying in the end zone, after scoring a TD...when the play is over as soon as he crosses the goal line, and not only is that not a penalty, but the league comes out two days later and says "good play, no fine". 

I guess it all depends on how valuable the league thinks the QB is. Tom Brady...touch him...verboten.
Donovan McNabb...spear him...good play! 
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#22 | 50 days ago

 I think players should take their pads off when they play. It would prevent people from just throwing their bodies around, and make the hits like rugby. Rugby is still a VERY physical game, but not as many people get hurt because people don't just throw their bodies around at weird angles.
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#23 | 50 days ago

 these guys took harder knocks playing touch football on a playground when they were 10 years old. its getting embarrassing.
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#24 | 50 days ago

 I laughed my a$$ off when Harrison called out Tom Brady with that remark, and he was absolutely right to say that.  I also saw Ray Lewis's interview from after the game, and he was right as well, in disbelief that such a chincy penalty was called.  Suggs wasn't even trying to hit him, and got pushed into his knee.  These rules are getting pretty pathetic.
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#25 | 50 days ago

  The call was terrible, but even more terrible was Tom Brady complaining and drawing the call. Complete bs, especially on Brady's part...cry a little harder next time Tom..if you are that worried, retire. And that ref should be fined, for allowing Brady's cries influence his call. Granted, I fully supported the call, since it helped the Pats beat the Ravens, and as a Steeler fan, we needed that, but still, a terrible, terrible call. 
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#26 | 50 days ago

 So now Rodney Harrison gets credit for something Jack Lambert said in 1980. Anyway, bad calls. And Tom Brady "cried" to get the one call as well. I saw a few other hits on qb's that were not called that were more violent and intentional in my opinion. The problem is with the rule and the way it is interpreted.
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#27 | 50 days ago

  I want my QB to be a MAN and not be afraid of taking a good hit or two.  Otherwise, he should quit football and take up bowling.
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#28 | 50 days ago

 I believe that they have taken the rules far beyond the intent. First of all, most of the injuries are not from the initial contact or hit, it is from what happens after contact is made. example- what started these rules were the tackles on QB's where they would nearly twist off their heads or slam them to the ground ( Joe Montana, Steve Deberg, just to name some) injuries are going to happen, case in point, last years season ending hit to Tom Brady was not vicious, rather the injury came due to Brady planting his leg. The defensive line is paid to get to the QB Period! What are they to do when they get there yell " your it"? The QB's of today are 6'5/ 250 (Rothlisberger) I think that they can handle it, if not just go down when they get to you instead of side stepping.
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#29 | 50 days ago

All is fair in love and war. If the quarter back gets hit its his own damn fault for not thowing the ball fast enough. (There needs to be a penalty for late hits on ALL players...That can stay)

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#30 | 50 days ago

 Flone87 wrote:
 The call was terrible, but even more terrible was Tom Brady complaining and drawing the call. Complete bs, especially on Brady's part...cry a little harder next time Tom..if you are that worried, retire. And that ref should be fined, for allowing Brady's cries influence his call. Granted, I fully supported the call, since it helped the Pats beat the Ravens, and as a Steeler fan, we needed that, but still, a terrible, terrible call. 
You are absolutely right and I failed to mention Brady's "whining" in my earlier post. That WAS ridiculous. If the league was to adopt a new policy next year, I would be in favor of fines being handed out to players that embellish the act just to draw a flag. This would be the call of the league officials after the game and fines would be severe. Similar rules exist in hockey and soccer and it has reduced the amount of FAKING and WHINING greatly. The NFL needs a similar policy. It use to be only punters and kickers that did it... now every position on the field seems to have thespian athletes. Its sickening for that to be seen in football. 
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#31 | 50 days ago

 Steve Young, 49ers
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#32 | 50 days ago

 too subjective, when do you call in the grasp? and is it the same with 5 fott nothing Drew Brees as with 6 foot 5 Ben Roethlisberger who is prone to break away? They have pads just like the others, there was a rule in place called roughing the passer before all of this as the one picture shows ( throwing QB on his head). go back to old ways and roughing is a reviewed play subject to suspension.
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#33 | 50 days ago
AudiThree (+)

ChristiSunshine wrote:
 I want my QB to be a MAN and not be afraid of taking a good hit or two.  Otherwise, he should quit football and take up bowling.
 You won't want him after he suffered 5 concussions and is forced out of football because of medical reasons.  
If you don't believe me, check out the history on Troy Aikman, and although he returned and now is good, Kurt 
Warner was hammered with concussions.  And Mark Bulger is out with a concussion problem also.  
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#34 | 50 days ago
brandonkrontz (+)

to all fairness, i like the rule, besides we want to see our top players play not get career ending injuries!!!!!
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#35 | 50 days ago

 (Edited by ChristiSunshine)
AudiThree wrote:
 You won't want him after he suffered 5 concussions and is forced out of football because of medical reasons.  
If you don't believe me, check out the history on Troy Aikman, and although he returned and now is good, Kurt 
Warner was hammered with concussions.  And Mark Bulger is out with a concussion problem also.  
 You're right.  However, the calls in Brady's favor yesterday were completely bogus, especially with as much acting as he did.  Football is a contact sport and QB's need to expect SOME contact without crying about it.
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#36 | 50 days ago
SuperStar123 (+)

 HEY, I PLAYED FOOTBALL, AND LOVED THE GAME. HOWEVER TODAY I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL THE NEW CALLS! ESPECIALLY THE ONE CALLING TIMEOUT WITH THE FIELD GOAL KICKER, KICKING! YOU WANT A RULE? MAKE THAT ILLEGAL, THEN I'LL LISTEN!  
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#37 | 50 days ago

 If anyone has ever played the sport U know it's either U do or U don't have a job. Each member of the team on the field has a job and  some of those jobs require a indivisiual to hit his opponent soo Hard! that he don't want to play and if you R any part of half ass U will be replaced by someone who will. It's ok for them to have to B accountable for there mistakes. the refs need to be the same and just like the players when punished everyone needs to know.
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#38 | 50 days ago

 NFL - no fun league
Refs these days are JOKES, nothing less, JOKES!
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#39 | 50 days ago

 SuperStar123 wrote:
 HEY, I PLAYED FOOTBALL, AND LOVED THE GAME. HOWEVER TODAY I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL THE NEW CALLS! ESPECIALLY THE ONE CALLING TIMEOUT WITH THE FIELD GOAL KICKER, KICKING! YOU WANT A RULE? MAKE THAT ILLEGAL, THEN I'LL LISTEN!  
 Couldn't agree more, that is the dumbest thing ever and nothing makes me laugh harder than when they do that and the kicker misses...and of course, nails it straight down the middle on the next try. That is justice. 

The NFL seriously needs to take a look at some of these things, as well as fixing OT, which is a simple, simple thing to fix...First team to score a Touchdown, or 6 points, wins. It's simple, and gives the loser of the coin flip a chance if the other team drives down to kick the obligatory field goal. It would force a lot more strategy  and make the coin flip a little less important. 

As for the "Brady Rule" it is a league filled with double standards. I've seen lesser known QB's get drilled, with clear helmet ot helmet contact, or two steps...And if your QB is like Big Ben, he seldom gets roughing calls because of his size and how much he scrambles. Something has to be done, because football is becoming a primadona sport where hard nosed play and hustle is being penalized, not rewarded. I will say this though, great teams are able to overcome those types of blown calls. Like a questionable holding call that takes away a first down and forces a 3rd and long in the last 2 minutes of say, the freaking Super Bowl. 
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#40 | 50 days ago

 MIKELIN8 wrote:
"Roughing the Passer"? I didn't know there was such a rule in the NFL...but then, I'm an Eagles fan, and the rule doesn't seem to apply to our QB, Donovan McNabb, who can be speared in the back, while he's laying in the end zone, after scoring a TD...when the play is over as soon as he crosses the goal line, and not only is that not a penalty, but the league comes out two days later and says "good play, no fine". 

I guess it all depends on how valuable the league thinks the QB is. Tom Brady...touch him...verboten.
Donovan McNabb...spear him...good play! 
 AS I said, definite double standard..the same is true with Big Ben. The play where McNabb's rib eas broken is an excellent example of the double standard the league has...like a tough QB can take it, and won't get the call.

For those saying anyone going for the head or below the knees should be a penalty, I have to ask, have you ever played football at any level? It is a very fast sport, and I made it to varsity high school level only. Starting as a freshman free safety, I was knocked cold on a helmet to helmet collision even though I was focused on hitting him right in the chest. He spun and ducked, and I lunged and we made contact. 

Now you move to the most elite of athletes, where linemen run faster than some college running backs...the speed of the game is incredible on the pro level, and I think too many of us live in the fantasy world of superslow motion. It's just not that easy to draw the line and say its black or white.  
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#41 | 49 days ago

 the nfl isnt gettiing soft its players are the ones getting soft i mean check out all the star players injured
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#42 | 49 days ago

  I thought football was a mans sport
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#43 | 49 days ago

  Anybody who watched the game could clearly see both times that the ravens went below the knees which is against the rules.  you could say it isnt football all you want which is crap.  taking a swan dive at a qb when hes already thrown the ball is dirty.  players get away with it all the time and the raven d has gotten away with it for a very long time.  then ray lewis complains when he gets caught.  give it a rest.  you havent felt pain until your knee gets mangled and twisted and bent in another direction.  i dont think you would be saying it isn't football if your qb that had his knee destroyed by ray lewis, suggs or any of the other dirty raven players.
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#44 | 49 days ago

 This is lhe line of work they choose to enter as there work place. They have safety equipment for their job. They make more money in one season then most people do in a life time. If the hit is not a viscious hit where the PURPOSE  is to injure his fellow players, then let them play ball.
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#45 | 49 days ago

 I Love FOOTBALL !!! It's when they carry a player out on a stretcher ....just because they wear padding doesn't mean their bulldozer proof!! You see a 400 lb guy charger head on into a 285 lb guy - that poor guy might as well be standing on a traintrack !! It seems that they don't care about the players health -they look at the BIG PICTURE " $$$$$$$$$$$" !!! So many great players have been put completely out of the game they love to play.Greed has completely consumed about every sport out there & they don't care who gets hurt just so long as they get their MONEY!!
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#46 | 49 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
 Anybody who watched the game could clearly see both times that the ravens went below the knees which is against the rules.  you could say it isnt football all you want which is crap.  taking a swan dive at a qb when hes already thrown the ball is dirty.  players get away with it all the time and the raven d has gotten away with it for a very long time.  then ray lewis complains when he gets caught.  give it a rest.  you havent felt pain until your knee gets mangled and twisted and bent in another direction.  i dont think you would be saying it isn't football if your qb that had his knee destroyed by ray lewis, suggs or any of the other dirty raven players.
When you have a 300+ pound lineman choking the life out of you while you are running full speed, only to let go of you at the last minute and you stumble and fall at the QB's leg, I hardly doubt that is going for the QB's legs. 
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#47 | 49 days ago

 RaiderNation357 wrote:
When you have a 300+ pound lineman choking the life out of you while you are running full speed, only to let go of you at the last minute and you stumble and fall at the QB's leg, I hardly doubt that is going for the QB's legs. 
 stop it.  lewis was about untouched.  not his legs either.  I SAID BELOW THE KNEE.   and also like i said complain that it isnt football when you live through the pain.  protecting players should be a top priority in the nfl.  the raven d is dirty. nuff said.  I dont have a problem with hitting the qb i have a problem with any player going below the knee.  
Quarterbacks are the life-blood of the NFL. If they're touched, PENALTY!!!  
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#48 | 49 days ago

I've said it before and I will saying it again. Soon, it will be The National Touch Football League!

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#49 | 49 days ago

 kobe_lova wrote:

I've said it before and I will saying it again. Soon, it will be The National Touch Football League!

CO-ED!!!
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#50 | 49 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
 stop it.  lewis was about untouched.  not his legs either.  I SAID BELOW THE KNEE.   and also like i said complain that it isnt football when you live through the pain.  protecting players should be a top priority in the nfl.  the raven d is dirty. nuff said.  I dont have a problem with hitting the qb i have a problem with any player going below the knee.  
I hate the Ravens as much as anybody, but the call was extremely crappy.  Suggs FELL into Brady's leg.
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#51 | 49 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
 stop it.  lewis was about untouched.  not his legs either.  I SAID BELOW THE KNEE.   and also like i said complain that it isnt football when you live through the pain.  protecting players should be a top priority in the nfl.  the raven d is dirty. nuff said.  I dont have a problem with hitting the qb i have a problem with any player going below the knee.  
Played for 14 years.  Played offensive and defensive line.  The QB's have it made compared to what the OL and DL goes through.  Protect the QB from cheap shots, but please put the wet wipes and squeez toys away...this is a MAN's game.
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#52 | 49 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
 stop it.  lewis was about untouched.  not his legs either.  I SAID BELOW THE KNEE.   and also like i said complain that it isnt football when you live through the pain.  protecting players should be a top priority in the nfl.  the raven d is dirty. nuff said.  I dont have a problem with hitting the qb i have a problem with any player going below the knee.  
like i said im all for protecting every player on the field. a shot below the knee is cheap no matter who it is. in both instances the ball had already left bradys hand. ray lewis was near untouched. as was suggs. the flags were well deserved as well as earned. the ravens are cheap shot artists who have lived on the late hit/roughing the passer in recent years. all there is to it. the ravens looked to blame the refs and not the man who dropped joe flaccos near flawless pass. as penalties are earned so are wins and ravens blew it on both sides of the ball.
Quarterbacks are the life-blood of the NFL. If they're touched, PENALTY!!!  
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#53 | 49 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
like i said im all for protecting every player on the field. a shot below the knee is cheap no matter who it is. in both instances the ball had already left bradys hand. ray lewis was near untouched. as was suggs. the flags were well deserved as well as earned. the ravens are cheap shot artists who have lived on the late hit/roughing the passer in recent years. all there is to it. the ravens looked to blame the refs and not the man who dropped joe flaccos near flawless pass. as penalties are earned so are wins and ravens blew it on both sides of the ball.
Suggs was pushed into Brady's leg and fell into him.  That is not a penalty.  Also, Mark Clayton admitted he messed up on that lass pass that he dropped.
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#54 | 49 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
like i said im all for protecting every player on the field. a shot below the knee is cheap no matter who it is. in both instances the ball had already left bradys hand. ray lewis was near untouched. as was suggs. the flags were well deserved as well as earned. the ravens are cheap shot artists who have lived on the late hit/roughing the passer in recent years. all there is to it. the ravens looked to blame the refs and not the man who dropped joe flaccos near flawless pass. as penalties are earned so are wins and ravens blew it on both sides of the ball.
Were we watching the same game!  Suggs nearly untouched?  Either you are serious Patriot fan or just a Baltimore hater...i will let the people decide :-)
Penalize only for viscious hits where the purpose is to injure.  
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#55 | 49 days ago
SuperStar123 (+)

 Sorry, wrong place, I only opened up this Poll because I saw take off your skirts! I THOUGHT IT WAS A PORN SECTION!   
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#56 | 49 days ago

 When I 1st read the title : TAKE YOUR SKIRTS OFF!!
Football did not enter my mind !!
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#57 | 48 days ago

 I think the Ravens and their coach need to grow up and stop crying like babies. If they had beaten the Pats all this junk never would have been started. Ray Lewis does the same crap everytime the Patriots beat them which by the way is the last five times in a row now.
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#58 | 48 days ago

 MJ_Fan_4ever wrote:
I think the Ravens and their coach need to grow up and stop crying like babies. If they had beaten the Pats all this junk never would have been started. Ray Lewis does the same crap everytime the Patriots beat them which by the way is the last five times in a row now.
 I didn't even have to look to know you were a Patriots fan.
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#59 | 48 days ago
gambler_20 (+)

The call was made not asked for so it is what it is.  How many times do you see a WR crying for a call during a pass play, but you rarely see a QB who gets rock get up looking for a flag.
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#60 | 48 days ago

 "Dang it"!  Missleading title
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#61 | 48 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
like i said im all for protecting every player on the field. a shot below the knee is cheap no matter who it is. in both instances the ball had already left bradys hand. ray lewis was near untouched. as was suggs. the flags were well deserved as well as earned. the ravens are cheap shot artists who have lived on the late hit/roughing the passer in recent years. all there is to it. the ravens looked to blame the refs and not the man who dropped joe flaccos near flawless pass. as penalties are earned so are wins and ravens blew it on both sides of the ball.
I was watching and yeah im a pats fan. rules are rules its as simple as it is. even if you dont agree with the call which you obviously dont i will leave you with simple fact. even if as you and the leaning tower of piza say suggs was pushed by an offensive lineman into brady (insert laughter here.) he would have had to ho have been pushed on the back in a downward motion. in which case as the rule states it is the defensive players job to avoid contact after the ball is released. which it was. hence the flag, hence the 15 yard penalty, hence welcome to the rule book. both case brady was hit after the ball was released and in both cases the defender was going below the knee. cry cry cry. thats what a raven does.
Quarterbacks are the life-blood of the NFL. If they're touched, PENALTY!!!  
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#62 | 48 days ago

 kramer wrote:
Suggs was pushed into Brady's leg and fell into him.  That is not a penalty.  Also, Mark Clayton admitted he messed up on that lass pass that he dropped.
 read the rule book.  its the defending players job to avoid the illegal contact after the ball is released.  it is a penalty.  facts are facts. rules are rules.  the ravens cry foul whenever a call goes against them.  but when the shoe is on the other foot do you see ray say man what an awful call it cost us the game.  ummm??? no you don't.  it seems that the raven d should be more concerned with the fact that they are getting very old.  harbaugh and the boys need to grow up and stop complaining about every little thing.  they lost and looked for a reason to complain.  it is that simple.  
Quarterbacks are the life-blood of the NFL. If they're touched, PENALTY!!!  
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#63 | 48 days ago

 (Edited by nardyboy2000)
Ray stated quite clearly that the "penalties" did not win the game--but the resulting 14 points did not hurt the Patriots cause any. AND when Brady can laugh after the flag is thrown and say "that was a cheap one" (.http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12311933)... we have gotten to the point where we need to put to start putting QB's (correction: just the elite ones) inside of a protective force field and allow them to put up the offensive stats the league craves. No one cries for Jared Gaither who played hard and suffered a head injury (probably a concussion)...we say "its football comes with the territory". No one cries for Brendon Ayanbedejo who played hard and suffered a torn quad (out for the year)...we say "its football and injuries happen". LET'S BE REAL....star QB's fill the seats. A star QB loss for the season means loss revenue in person and in viewer count. If you need proof compare the number televised Pats games when Tom Brady starts versus when Matt Cassel started. In conclusion....Refs are human and they will make bad calls. But when you forget that QB's are football players with protective padding on like the other 21 players on the field that are allowed to be hit...you give the defense another obstacle to overcome in what is truly becoming an overly sensitive league. THIS AIN'T MY DADDY'S FOOTBALL...THAT'S FOR SURE
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#64 | 47 days ago

 Call it the same for ALL QB's.....decide what the rule is and enforce it! The real problem lies in the "star" QB's getting preferential treatment.....Brady was NOT hit hard, but is being protected because the NFL hated losing such a big star last year. 
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#65 | 46 days ago

 Cockamamie wrote:
Call it the same for ALL QB's.....decide what the rule is and enforce it! The real problem lies in the "star" QB's getting preferential treatment.....Brady was NOT hit hard, but is being protected because the NFL hated losing such a big star last year. 
Its all about the TV contracts....NFL wants to keep their popular ones protect for the money.....I blame High Schools.....this is when this mentality starts...the popular kids were always given the benefit of the doubt over the average ones and he has progressed.
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#66 | 46 days ago

 i played football and loved it i was a wideout and cb in high school onetime i was on the line as a tightend when our star senior lineman who was 400lbs benching 600lbs hits me so hard it knocks me for a flip (litterally) there was no roughing the tight end call i mean come on now expect to get hit or make the rules the same for everyone
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#67 | 45 days ago

 Any defensive player that hits leading with the helmet should automatically be flagged and then ejected from the game and fined.  Also hands to the face or head should bring out a flag.  Otherwise let them play.
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#68 | 44 days ago

  i say if the qb has the football and gets tackled, then he is fair game, but if he dont have the freaking football then why the heck should he be tackled, they should call a personal foul on the attacker
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#69 | 44 days ago

 nortonsfury wrote:
 read the rule book.  its the defending players job to avoid the illegal contact after the ball is released.  it is a penalty.  facts are facts. rules are rules.  the ravens cry foul whenever a call goes against them.  but when the shoe is on the other foot do you see ray say man what an awful call it cost us the game.  ummm??? no you don't.  it seems that the raven d should be more concerned with the fact that they are getting very old.  harbaugh and the boys need to grow up and stop complaining about every little thing.  they lost and looked for a reason to complain.  it is that simple.  
It's the defenders job to AVOID getting into the QB after the ball is thrown?  Umm yeah, sorry to tell you that a defender can't stop his momentum dead in his tracks and defy laws of physics like that.  Why do you think the fair catch interference rule was changed?
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#70 | 44 days ago

 Ok....
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#71 | 44 days ago

 The REFS need to all get together and LEARN what is and is not illegal contact etc on the quarterback/s.  To 1 Ref it is one thing to another it's...well another.  Until they get it...some quarterbacks will go down and some will get to wear skirts.
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#72 | 44 days ago

 (Edited by ChristiSunshine)
i say MAN UP!!!!!!!!!!! they always tryin too protect quarterbacks like they not grown men or something lol i can understand if a hit was meant too injure the man ok but i play football n sometimes ya body is jus not n a position to where u can lay off a hit or go too a different spot too make a tackle they teach u n rec league take out the legs n they can't run anymore all this extra roughin the passer for no reason is ridiculous lol i say let em get hit if they get injured oh well its a part of football. Troy polamalu got tackled by his HAIR n they didn't throw a flag u tellin me a tap to o the head on a Tom Brady makes it illegal LMAO as my dude Ed Lovecr would say, "COME ON SON!!!!!!!, COME ON, F**K OUTA HERE WIT THAT BULLS**T!!!!!!!!!"
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#73 | 43 days ago
suzanneclark12 (Suzanne) profile photo

 LJHeath73 wrote:
Pittsburgh has been called for offensive pass interference for blocking a defensive player before the ball gets to the receiver. Once, the ball wasn't even in the vicinity of the receiver, yet offensive pass interference was called. Apparently this is to give the defense a chance to have a play at the ball... so when did we start giving the other team chances?
defenses are not allowed to touch receivers after 5 yds..same should be true for offenses blocking out defenders when the ball is in the air
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#74 | 43 days ago

 in the words of the guys on espn's the blitz show u know what im talking about  "COME ON MAN"
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#75 | 43 days ago

 (Edited by kramer)
suzanneclark12 wrote:
defenses are not allowed to touch receivers after 5 yds..same should be true for offenses blocking out defenders when the ball is in the air
Penalties like that should also be waved off when the ball is over everyone's heads and completely uncatchable, but unfortunately that rarely happens.
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#76 | 42 days ago

 Quarterbacks are the heart and sole of most bone-headed calls.  Remember Hoculi last year?  If you hit a quarterback legally and he gets bloody nose the guy's gonna have to cough up at least 25k (Adrian Wilson on Trent Edwards most recently).
Penalize only if they hit the face or legs.  
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#77 | 41 days ago

 marowak wrote:
Quarterbacks are the heart and sole of most bone-headed calls.  Remember Hoculi last year?  If you hit a quarterback legally and he gets bloody nose the guy's gonna have to cough up at least 25k (Adrian Wilson on Trent Edwards most recently).
That name is synonymous with stupidity.  He was the ref for the Steelers/Lions game on Sunday and he didn't even know who the penalty was on for a DOG call.  Steelers rookie WR Mike Wallace dropped an easy TD, and then kicked the ball right in front of one of the other refs, the flag was thrown, and somehow Hochuli managed to originally call the penalty on the defender that was guarding Wallace on the play.
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#78 | 40 days ago

 WISAC1 wrote:
these guys took harder knocks playing touch football on a playground when they were 10 years old. its getting embarrassing.
tru dat. now they have turned a contact sport into a....well....not so much contact sport. soon it will no longer be football...
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#79 | 40 days ago

 WELL IN THE 70'S A MAN NAMED    JACK LAMBERT    OF THE STEELERS   [THE STEEL CURTIAN]   SAID THAT QUARTER BACKS SHOULD WEAR DRESSES !!! I STILL BELIVE THAT.WHEN YOU SEE A MAN SMILE WITH NO FRONT TEETH LOOKIN AT YOU KNOWING HE IS COMING AFTER YOU TO REMOVE YOUR HEAD.O BY THE WAY 4 SUPER BOWL CHAMPS....
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#80 | 39 days ago

 ClippaChick wrote:
With all of the new rule changes, football has lost its true essence of being a beautifully violent game. The athletes know what they've signed up for since their days in pop warner. Football is the quintessential man's sport with all of the brutality that comes with it. Now if you aren't a man, then don't play.
THANKYOU!!! everybody please take notes
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#81 | 34 days ago

  maybe we should change the rules and instead of tackling we should just hug instead......................
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If my teams defensive line isn't trying to remove body parts, their not doing there job. 
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#82 | 32 days ago
We want to see a good game both offensively and defensively. The game is rough and that’s the beauty of it. Infesting it by all these rules will definitely ruin the game.
With all the rules, it's not football!  
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#83 | 32 days ago

 Football is not boxing,So nobody have the right to play that makes any injury to the opponents,if he play like that he have to pay.....
Quarterbacks are the life-blood of the NFL. If they're touched, PENALTY!!!  
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#84 | 32 days ago

  many rules are unexceptable but look patriots fans if someone puts an unfair hit on brady then what or bengals if someone hits palmer how about that or colts fans if someone hits manning. my point is the reason why i bring up the quarterbacks because they're so valuable. when they aren't protected they'll get killed
Penalize only for viscious hits where the purpose is to injure.  

#85 | 32 days ago

 That's when you need a really GOOD offensive line!
Penalize only for viscious hits where the purpose is to injure.  
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#86 | 32 days ago

 yellow_fellow wrote:
 many rules are unexceptable but look patriots fans if someone puts an unfair hit on brady then what or bengals if someone hits palmer how about that or colts fans if someone hits manning. my point is the reason why i bring up the quarterbacks because they're so valuable. when they aren't protected they'll get killed
Sounds to me like the Quarterbacks better quit milking their teams for every spare penny and start telling management to invest in a good offensive line.  Because people think they're so "valuable" and "delicate" in the modern game just shows they aren't worth the money they're getting.

Old school quarterbacks played for 20 years before all of the 'powder-puff' protection rules were even considered.   Just another example of how soft society has become as it's much easier to call 'foul' than to man-up.
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#87 | 32 days ago

 NorseHeathen wrote:
Sounds to me like the Quarterbacks better quit milking their teams for every spare penny and start telling management to invest in a good offensive line.  Because people think they're so "valuable" and "delicate" in the modern game just shows they aren't worth the money they're getting.

Old school quarterbacks played for 20 years before all of the 'powder-puff' protection rules were even considered.   Just another example of how soft society has become as it's much easier to call 'foul' than to man-up.
A good running game would help as well.
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#88 | 32 days ago

 zzj000 wrote:
A good running game would help as well.
Thank you--great point!  A balance amongst the players--that why it's a team sport.
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#89 | 30 days ago

 Only when it's intentional, and the ball had been obviously thrown.
Penalize only if they hit the face or legs.  

#90 | 30 days ago

  I just saw that Ochocinco was fined $10,000 for wearing the wrong color chin strap. WTF? Anyway, the rules now are ridiculous and the challenge flags/reviews are slowing the game down way too much. 

There are too many judgement calls. But I think the best way to fairly protect QB's is to make it a two-hand touch game behind the line of scrimmage (play stops when they have the ball and are touched)...once they cross over the line, anything goes.
With all the rules, it's not football!  

#91 | 29 days ago

 Football is a highly organized game of "smear the qweer".  I think the quaterback shoud have the same "protection" as any other player on the field.  No more, and no less.
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#92 | 28 days ago

 Refs should be able to make subjective calls and shouldn't automatically throw the flag on each violation.
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#93 | 28 days ago

 yellow_fellow wrote:
 many rules are unexceptable but look patriots fans if someone puts an unfair hit on brady then what or bengals if someone hits palmer how about that or colts fans if someone hits manning. my point is the reason why i bring up the quarterbacks because they're so valuable. when they aren't protected they'll get killed
But think about this Troy Aikman of the Dallas Cowboys got a helmet to helmet hit that ended his career in 1999. How good have the cowboys done since then. Also THAT SAME YEAR the same thing happens to Steve Young of the 49ers. What has san fransisco done since then?
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#94 | 27 days ago

 I feel players make enough money to play the game as most boys did in high school.If a subbed finger keeps you out of a game,then maybe they should get a desk job.I am sure if most of the common people had a chance to make what the top players make for only but one year,most would play with a broken bone to finish a year out.HINT!!!!! TIM KRUMRIE CINCINNATTI BENGALS!!!!! ONE HELL OF A PLAYER IN HIS DAY!!!!NFL has gotten soft as far as players go,even college players play with injuries that would bench a NFL player.If you are playing for the money,then earn it!!!! I know I sound hard,but if you work in a factory they don't pay you full wage if you don't show up to work because of a stubbed finger.So why pay players full wage if a turf toe keeps them on the side lines?Every job has a risk,and if you sign the contract then you should play reguardless of the pain to get your wage.The rules that are being placed in the books of the NFL are a simple way for the calls ( or penalties)to control the game.These are my thoughts,and mine alone.Thank you...
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#95 | 27 days ago

 johnshirey54 wrote:
Polamalu said it best when he said football "just loses so much of its essence when it becomes like a pansy game".

Easy for Polmalu, this guy only plays one way and its hard. Troy is truly an amazing defender. speed  Hit, disrupt, I would give anything to watch Adrian Peterson and Troy Polamau in the open field on a collision course.

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#96 | 27 days ago

 In an America where Political Correctness has gone amuck, what do we expect.  No one wants to see anyone get injured doing his or her job when it is in the very job description of that job.  Football is football, the players are not seperated by position.  They are not hired to play football with the promise that they will not get hurt, that is the game.  If you don't want to get hurt get better at the game, if you aren't tough enough to take a hit get stronger, shit I'd like to see a QB knock some tackles around.  Now that would be football that I'd really like to watch.  Dont get me wrong, I watch a lot of football, but I want to see a QB with a set, a QB that can get hit and will still hold on to the ball.  Apparently today's QBs have agents who tell them NOT to do anything QB like!  Tom Brady, well let me tell you, he is one of the most girlie gilr QBs in the NFL, I get a huge thrill when I see his pussy ass get slammed to the deck.  I don't want any permanent injury to the guy, but it sure is nice to see him get sacked 10-40 times a game. 
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#97 | 27 days ago

 I never had the opprotunity to play at a college or pro level, but i did play high school football. I never walked out onto the field thinking to myself "I'm not gonna get hurt today..."  anyone who has played tackle football at a competitive level knows they could end up not walking off the field at all !!!   I saw several players cartd off the field with concussions or worse.  The reason these guys are paid so much is because the life expectancy of an NFL player is 4-6 years and they are going to need all the money they can get!!! We know that head injuries are a part of the game and so are leg injuries. GET OVER IT AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY ARE PAID TO DO!!!!
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#98 | 27 days ago

 Wasn't that MEAN JOE GREEN AGAINST DALLAS?
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#99 | 27 days ago

 Joe Greene, Defensive Tackle, Pittsburgh Steelers (1969-1981)

 

Nicknamed “Mean,” Joe Greene was one of only a handful of defensive players in NFL history who could singlehandedly change the outcome of a game. He helped the Steelers win four Super Bowl titles in a six-year span in the 1970’s and is probably the most important player in team history. As a rookie, he was notorious for threatening veterans and starting fights in training camp. In a playoff game in 1972, Greene recorded five sacks, forced a fumble, recovered a fumble, and blocked a field goal in a 9-3 win vs. Houston. Greene was notorious for kicking a player when he was down and had to be ejected from a game in 1975 for repeatedly kicking a Cleveland Browns player in the groin. He defined toughness as, more of a mental aspect than a physical power, saying, “Toughness doesn’t necessarily mean physical prowess; it’s more mental.”..................LOL..........IF IT WAS'NT HIM,HE WAS FOR SURE A CRAZY S.O.B. ON THE FIELD.

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#100 | 26 days ago

 For me, a woman, just trying to learn how to watch football with my husband, I almost wanted to say "with all the rules, it's not even football," but I recognize that there have to be rules. The problem I'm finding in trying to learn all the rules is that some of the rules keep changing. I think that my problem comes with the fact that I have to go back to the movie "Necessary Roughness," and I think that's where it comes down to the bare bones. I can get all the other rules, but I think that the rest should simply come down to if it's vicious and intentional, then it needs to be a penalty call. Or at least if it appears as such, it should be considered as such. If it's a simple attempted block or whatever, isn't that the way the game's supposed to be played? And BTW, isn't this supposed to be a game that these guys are getting paid literally millions to play? A GAME? So why are they acting like pansies?? :P LOL
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#101 | 24 days ago

 fantasybeast24 wrote:
NFL - no fun league
Refs these days are JOKES, nothing less, JOKES!
I wouldn't say the refs there calling the rules as they see them it the owners and league leaders that decide the rule.
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