Video-Tim Duncan also leaving the bench video. Should he be suspended, too? - YouTube | NBA | Phoenix Suns

0	I'm glad this came out because it will make it easier for the league to just basically not do anything, no suspensions for anyone who "was on the court" since none of them actually did anything. I just don't want to here anyone say that Duncan's case was different than the others so he shouldn't be suspended but that Amare and Boris still should be suspended.

5/15/07

Amazin698607

0	The NBA would be stupid to suspend all these guys. The officials need to come out in Game 5 blow whistles and tell players we are not gonna tolerate anything. The players have it in there head they can do anything. Both teams are flopping, arguing and not playing basketball. I would like some technical fouls called early in Game 5 for arguing calls which I thought was a "zero tolerance" policy.

5/15/07

0	Jemele Hill is hosting a hilariously awful chat on ESPN.com right now: http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=15834 So far the participants have taken some nice shots at her, and even slipped in some choice comments about ESPN. If these are the best questions being submitted, I can only imagine what isn't making it through the screening process.

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Barry (Irvine, CA): Is it a power trip of yours to keep everyone waiting for 30 minutes only to say that you didn't even see the first half and that you were having your nails done? No wonder Skip Bayless trounced all over on every topic despite him being an idiot.

Jemele Hill: (2:45 PM ET ) Don't recall saying anything about nails. Sorry, I was late. And yes, I enjoy you being at my beck and call.

That's the gist of the interview. ha

5/15/07

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=15834

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Jon wrote:

Jemele Hill is hosting a hilariously awful chat on ESPN.com right now:

So far the participants have taken some nice shots at her, and even slipped in some choice comments about ESPN. If these are the best questions being submitted, I can only imagine what isn't making it through the screening process.

That chat is freaking awesome. I don't know what's funnier the questions coming in or her responses.

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So far Jemele has:

Admitted she only watched half the game

Called Phoenix a state

The best questions/comments so far:

JBall, Springfield, MA: Have you ever even seen a game prior to the 90's? Even now there is far, far, far more contact on each and every possession. They foul on every play. Skill has been replaced by HGH'd athletes with zero grace. The game is a sham, like ESPN

andy (detroit): I know you won't answer this...but..you say you missed the 1st half b/c you were working on your article. Then the article comes out today and it is about what trangressed at the end of the game. So, if you were working on the article about the Horry/Nash situation during the 1st half, you must be able to travel in time, right?

5/15/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

Barry (Irvine, CA): Is it a power trip of yours to keep everyone waiting for 30 minutes only to say that you didn't even see the first half and that you were having your nails done? No wonder Skip Bayless trounced all over on every topic despite him being an idiot.

Jemele Hill: (2:45 PM ET ) Don't recall saying anything about nails. Sorry, I was late. And yes, I enjoy you being at my beck and call.

That's the gist of the interview. ha

The City of Cleveland representing LBJ: Punch Skip in the face for us please, even if it suspends you one game.

5/15/07

kantwistaye

0	To me that was worse than Amare and Diaw's leaving of the bench. The NBA would be shooting itself in the foot if they suspened those two but not Duncan and Bowen.

5/15/07

0	kantwistaye wrote: To me that was worse than Amare and Diaw's leaving of the bench. The NBA would be shooting itself in the foot if they suspened those two but not Duncan and Bowen. the leagues not going to suspend 2 of thier bigger stars.

5/15/07

gearhead

0	Does anyone notice the Spurs fans are no where to be found on this thread.

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2	I like the Spurs and I would say to this thread that Tim Duncan is not coming on to the floor to show the world that he is trying to be all ghetto like Amare. I think both videos show two different ways to react and honestly had amare reacted the way Duncan did I don't think Stern would have even thought of suspending him. I can't say I agree with the suspensions though.

5/15/07

Beatuofa

1	How was Amare ghetto? He didn't actually get near the altercation, he didn't throw a punch, nothing. If anyone's proven themselves to be a low down dirty punk, it'd be cheap shot artists Bowen and Horry.

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smankit wrote:

I like the Spurs and I would say to this thread that Tim Duncan is not coming on to the floor to show the world that he is trying to be all ghetto like Amare. I think both videos show two different ways to react and honestly had amare reacted the way Duncan did I don't think Stern would have even thought of suspending him. I can't say I agree with the suspensions though.

What are you trying to say here?

Nothing Amare did was "ghetto". Both players stood up to potentially help out their teammate. Both players weren't involved in any altercation.

Explain this "ghetto" reference that's TOTALLY off base.

5/15/07

broncostud79

1	Im so tired of both teams fighting. I just want to say they both lose and send Utah and Golden State to play another series together.

5/15/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

What are you trying to say here?

Nothing Amare did was "ghetto". Both players stood up to potentially help out their teammate. Both players weren't involved in any altercation.

Explain this "ghetto" reference that's TOTALLY off base.

He threw his towel and he sure didn't walk towards Robert Horry. It looked like it was going to turn in to the Knicks vs. the Nuggets when Melo got suspended.

5/15/07

kantwistaye

0	smankit wrote: He threw his towel and he sure didn't walk towards Robert Horry. It looked like it was going to turn in to the Knicks vs. the Nuggets when Melo got suspended. If Amare was a big white guy I guarantee that you wouldn't be saying that.

5/15/07

0	kantwistaye wrote: If Amare was a big white guy I guarantee that you wouldn't be saying that. Sure I would Jason Williams acts ghetto all the time. So I guess you shouldn't assume

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1	smankit wrote: He threw his towel and he sure didn't walk towards Robert Horry. It looked like it was going to turn in to the Knicks vs. the Nuggets when Melo got suspended. huh, throwing a towel=being ghetto. ill keep that in mind. if i remeber correct didnt horry throw a towel in ainges face a few years back?

5/15/07

1	(Edited by CriticalFanatic) smankit wrote: He threw his towel and he sure didn't walk towards Robert Horry. It looked like it was going to turn in to the Knicks vs. the Nuggets when Melo got suspended. If throwing towels=ghetto ... Since you're a Steelers fan ... does that make all of you ghetto?

5/15/07

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pappa prc wrote:

huh, throwing a towel=being ghetto. ill keep that in mind. if i remeber correct didnt horry throw a towel in ainges face a few years back?

Woe Woe Woe we are going off subject here I am not saying Horry is a saint and I think his actions that caused this whole mess proves that. However look at the two videos you can tell Amare is not going out on to the floor to see whats going on he was going after Horry. Look at the replay he walks past where Nash was and was walking a path to were Horry was and I am sure he wasn't going over there to say hi.

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0	CriticalFanatic wrote: If throwing towels=ghetto ... Since you're a Steelers fan ... does that make all of you ghetto? see comment above. I might have believed he had decent intentions if he stopped to look at Nash but some thing else must have come over him.

5/15/07

0	smankit wrote: see comment above. I might have believed he had decent intentions if he stopped to look at Nash but some thing else must have come over him. He never even got so far as Steve Nash. Watch the video again. He was held back before he got there.

5/15/07

0	Look at where his coaches stopped him he wasn't walking towards Nash maybe you should watch the video again. Also while he is walking who is he looking at while he is coming up the court?

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0	smankit wrote: Look at where his coaches stopped him he wasn't walking towards Nash maybe you should watch the video again. Also while he is walking who is he looking at while he is coming up the court? semantics. I know what Amare was doing. The point that you are dodging is that you called him ghetto. Still trying to understand why defending his teammate makes him ghetto.

5/15/07

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(Edited by Beaze)

That's not a fight though. Duncan's teammate fell flat on his face. He could have been seriously hurt. Duncan leaving the bench isn't a big deal. People just want to nick pick.

Personally I think Stu should've bought Amare's, "I was checking into the game" excuse. Not because it was true, but because it was believeable. It was an out. This is the playoffs afterall, I like the roughness. After every fan (for the most part) has been shouting from the mountain tops, "NBA players don't care about winning, they just want money," it is nice to see ALL 8 remaining teams fight tooth and nail to get the championship. I am seeing players question their ethic for this title (while not going the whole way to break them). To me, this is what championship are all about. It takes blood, sweat and tears to get. Play your hardest or go home. This sport is played by men. I say, let them play. I like it.

5/15/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

semantics. I know what Amare was doing. The point that you are dodging is that you called him ghetto. Still trying to understand why defending his teammate makes him ghetto.

No ghetto is putting yourself on the floor with the idea in your head that he was going to show Horry what was up. As far as defending when Horry is walking away there is no fight taking place and it looked like the refs had it under control to me. I just hope his defending a team mate was worth it because the NBA office has taken action against these kind of "overly aggressive" situations before and the coaches knew of the rule too thats why they tried throwing them back on the bench.

5/15/07

0	smankit wrote: Look at where his coaches stopped him he wasn't walking towards Nash maybe you should watch the video again. Also while he is walking who is he looking at while he is coming up the court? who wouldnt he had his teamates back? so what if he where going towards somebody? nothing happened. speculation.

5/15/07

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smankit wrote:

No ghetto is putting yourself on the floor with the idea in your head that he was going to show Horry what was up. As far as defending when Horry is walking away there is no fight taking place and it looked like the refs had it under control to me. I just hope his defending a team mate was worth it because the NBA office has taken action against these kind of "overly aggressive" situations before and the coaches knew of the rule too thats why they tried throwing them back on the bench.

again speculation.

5/15/07

0	pappa prc wrote: again speculation. Thats all my original comment was based on was speculation and then I got asked about it and explained. Like originally stated though I don't agree with the suspensions either but people have been suspended for this before and they knew about this before he stepped on the floor.

5/16/07

mell_1289

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kantwistaye wrote:

If Amare was a big white guy I guarantee that you wouldn't be saying that.

haha I can't believe that you just tried to bring race into this. That's just ridiculous. It has nothing to do with him being black! It's the fact that after the Horry shot happened, Amare jumped right onto the court like he was going to slug Horry. So don't try to play the race card, it doesn't work for the NBA.

5/16/07

mell_1289

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OK if you want to talk about Duncan, he was up off the bench as soon as Elson slammed the ball. Before Elson even fell over whoever the Suns player was. He wasn't up to go onto the court and fight someone or yell, he was up to applaud his player. And I assume that Bowen went out to grab Duncan because he knew about the bench rule and didn't want Duncan on the floor if someone was to start fighting (speculation). Duncan on the floor can't be compared to Amare and Diaw because there wasn't an attempted fight at that time (

). If they suspended a player everytime he left the bench and wasn't going to check in, then the whole NBA would be suspended.

5/16/07

Nate

3	I didn't read this all the way through, but the rule only applies if there is a fight that breaks out and the player leaves the bench and steps on to the court. I didn't see a fight.

5/16/07

0	Nate wrote: I didn't read this all the way through, but the rule only applies if there is a fight that breaks out and the player leaves the bench and steps on to the court. I didn't see a fight. Oh my god...Someone actually knows what the RULE is????

5/16/07

0	Beaze wrote: Oh my god...Someone actually knows what the RULE is???? But even that rule is open for interpretation. What's an "altercation"?

5/16/07

0	Nate wrote: I didn't read this all the way through, but the rule only applies if there is a fight that breaks out and the player leaves the bench and steps on to the court. I didn't see a fight. There was no fight in the 4th quarter either - no "fighting fouls" were issued.

5/16/07

0	If one of the Suns had walked over to Duncan and started getting into his face and pushing him while he was on the floor, would he have been suspended then? I mean, that would have been an altercation, right?

5/16/07

Amazin698607

0	Stu Jackson is an idiot he basically says its ok for players on the bench to go where they want as long as there is no altercation.

5/16/07

3	Dan Patrick just brought up a good point ... "Where's video of the Spurs bench during this altercation?" Isn't anyone really convinced they sat down like a bunch of good school children? Very doubtful.

5/16/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

Dan Patrick just brought up a good point ... "Where's video of the Spurs bench during this altercation?"

Isn't anyone really convinced they sat down like a bunch of good school children? Very doubtful.

I have been wondering this the entire time. Not one shot from TNT showed the Spurs bench.

Not only would I like to see if anybody got up - I would also like to see if they were surprised by what Horry did.

5/16/07

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Jon wrote:

I have been wondering this the entire time. Not one shot from TNT showed the Spurs bench.

Not only would I like to see if anybody got up - I would also like to see if they were surprised by what Horry did.

You'll HAVE to listen to this DP interview with David Stern. I'll post it when it's available for download later today.

Great back and forth. Stern shows his strength and I agree with a lot of what he said.

5/16/07

0	Jon wrote: I have been wondering this the entire time. Not one shot from TNT showed the Spurs bench. Not only would I like to see if anybody got up - I would also like to see if they were surprised by what Horry did. They apparently did review footage of the Spurs bench and Stern says indeed, they reacted like a bunch of good 1st graders. Surprising, but I'll take his word for it.

5/16/07

Beatuofa

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I'll be interested to hear what Stern has to say, but I am no longer impressed at all with his "strength." He's cancelled his trip to Phoenix tonight and will be going to the NJ/Cle game instead...sounds like the definition of cowardice to me, he can't even go face the music.

Re: Duncan coming on the floor, I've heard people suggesting that if James Jones had turned around and slugged Elton after he hung on the rim during the dunk, that would have made the situation "an altercation" and then Duncan should be suspended. How idiotic would that be? For all the people saying "a rule is a rule is a rule, too bad"...why shouldn't it be applied to him too? The NBA had a chance to apply common sense here and they chose not to.

5/16/07

0	CriticalFanatic wrote: They apparently did review footage of the Spurs bench and Stern says indeed, they reacted like a bunch of good 1st graders. Surprising, but I'll take his word for it. If they did just sit there, then I have to ask the obvious question: Did they know it was coming?

5/16/07

mell_1289

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I'm sure they reacted in some way, we just don't know how. It wasn't a planned thing, it happened cause Horry was frustrated so don't go trying to say that they planned on taking Nash out the whole time and Horry was just the one to execute it.

You people will look for any reason possible to think that the Spurs are "dirty", well think what you want but it's not true. The Spurs don't have it out for your precious Suns. There have just been some unfortunate events in this series that everyone is putting under a microscope.

On a brighter note, I wish they would have gotten footage of the Spurs bench also. I'd love to see how they reacted, obviously it wasn't something as dumb as entering the court but they must have had some reaction. The David Stern interview should be interesting.

5/16/07

Nate

0	CriticalFanatic wrote: Dan Patrick just brought up a good point ... "Where's video of the Spurs bench during this altercation?" Isn't anyone really convinced they sat down like a bunch of good school children? Very doubtful. Believe it or not the camera did shoot over to that bench, and no one moved.

5/16/07

Nate

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Jon wrote:

There was no fight in the 4th quarter either - no "fighting fouls" were issued.

It sure did look like one, how many Suns players had there hand on Horry's Jersey? It wasn't like they got up to continue play, a lot of players went for Horry. The only reason they didn't call a fight penalty, is because the Refs got it under control quickly and no punches were thrown. Had the Refs been slow to react, do you think those Suns players were going over to congratulate Horry?

5/16/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

But even that rule is open for interpretation. What's an "altercation"?

I think that's kinda the point. It IS open for interpretation. that would be why Stu watches the film on a case by case basis and doesn't just apply a blanket rule for everyone. If Stu watches the tape and determines an "althercation" took place, the rule applies. If he looks at the tape and determines NO altercation took place...the rule doesn't apply. As is the case with Duncan and Amare. The fact that the rule is open for interpretation is a good thing.

5/16/07

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Again, I'm not defending Horry. I think HORRY should be out for the rest of the playoffs. There is not a doubt in my mind he intended to HURT Nash. Frustrated or not, you just don't do that. He clearly kept his arms in (which means he thought about what he was doing and tried to make it "look" clean) knowing the 50+ lbs he has on Nash would be enough to knock him down hard. I love Horry, but that was uncalled for. Just wrap him up with both arms (as hard as you want, cause this is a man's game), but keep him from falling. that's the proper play. Horry should be gone. But all this, Horry did it to get Amare suspended is STUUUUUUUUUPID. Horry didn't say to himself, "I'm going to myself tossed, so there STAR PLAYERS can overreact and get tossed too for a few games." He did not FORCE Amare to get up and ignore the rules. Amare did that all on his own (and Diaw). They got THEMSELVES suspended. People need to stop looking for scapegoats. they are big boys, they live with the consequences.

5/16/07

Scott

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

You'll HAVE to listen to this DP interview with David Stern. I'll post it when it's available for download later today.

Great back and forth. Stern shows his strength and I agree with a lot of what he said.

David Stern also lied when he said that there was no video of anybody trying to hold Amare Stoudemire back when the "altercation" took place. Replays clearing show that there is an assistant coach holding back Amare as soon as he took one step on the court. Stern and Jackson clearly dropped the ball on this one, especially when they refused to suspend anybody in the 2002 Kings/Lakers series when Rick Fox was punking Doug Christie in the entranceway. The whole Kings bench left courtside and got into it, yet Jackson and Stern did nothing.

5/16/07

SASPURSFREAK

0	Critical Fanatic is a joke. Your comments kill me. Seriously, your a funny guy.

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5/17/07

SASPURSFREAK

0	Seth wrote: Admittedly, but I would say it is universal throughout sports fans all over the world.

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